Last word on Mallett/Another reason to hate Brad Childress

by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2011 2:04 AM CDT

Alright, this is going to be a semi-rant from a generally optimistic guy. First off I wasn't thrilled with our pick of Ponder in the first round. I don't hate Ponder but I hate the lack of value we got out of that pick and I know I'm not the only one around here who thinks that way. Not a big deal because I really liked our second round pick of Kyle Rudolph and I was starting to feel much better about our draft. The one thing bugging me was that the QB I thought was the best in the draft was sliding pretty far and I was ready to accept that maybe all those off-field issues were for real and Mallett really wasn't worth the risk in the first two rounds. Started to feel more confident in our QB choice when a few things happened and brought me back to being pissed.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't be pissed off right now if any other team picked Mallett in the third round other than the Patriots. Still you might say that the Patriots had tons of picks to waste so why not gamble? Okay, I buy that, but then I hear Michael Lombardi state that Mallett was actually the top rated QB in the draft on the Patriots board. So my favorite QB in the draft is picked by a great team that already has Tom Brady by Bill Belicheck( generally considered a pretty smart coach) with what was coincidentally the third round pick Childress gave him for Mr. Randy Moss. This all brings me back to yet another reason for why I hate Brad Childress even if this series of events is only loosely connected to him! Okay, that's it for me bitching about the QB we could've had for a much cheaper cost with what turned out to be our own 3rd rounder that Chilly pissed away. Ummmm..... end of rant.....Go Ponder ! : )

P.S. I kinda have the feeling that Belicheck has re-payed Childress, and by proxy Vikings fans, about a thousand fold over with the Moss trade and drafting of Mallet for Childress' excessive bragging over stealing that injury prone TE off NE's practice squad a few years back. Man, I hope Ponder is every bit as good as FSUViking thinks or this draft might frustrate me for a long time.

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I hear you

As an atypical Vikings fan, it doesn’t sting me, but I feel for you, brother. If I hated Brad Childress, Tarvaris Jackson, and Randy Moss, and loved Ryan Mallett, this would be a bitter pill to swallow, like salt in the wound.

I won’t try to talk you out of your beliefs, except to say that Belichick will have to fall on his ass one day.

by medicineball on Apr 30, 2011 5:52 AM CDT reply actions

You know I'm glad you made this comment MB.

I was one of the guys on this board that stuck with Tarvaris Jackson as long as you did and defended Childress and the FO for almost as long as anybody not named LLV. Maybe I’m overreacting to a bad year and maybe I think we reached on our choice of QB in this draft. Maybe Mallett is as bad as everybody other than Bill Belicheck thinks he is. Maybe I’m just starting to lose some confidence in the Vikings front office and maybe Bill Belicheck has finally made an idiotic move.

That’s a lot of maybes, so even though I’m generally not a reactionary poster, I’ll admit that I’m a little uneasy with the Ponder pick and I’m feeling less confident in the front office right now and I’m falling into the just blame Childress for anything and everything club. Grime, this is your cue to tell me you told me so, and that you were right all along about the Leprechaun : )

Alright, that’s my negative/emo comment for the day. Hopefully Spielman and Frazier will make some solid picks today to put me in a better mood. I really liked the Rudolph pick but I need to see more good choices made in the draft today before I go back to being content with the direction the Vikings are heading in. Picking a quality interior offensive lineman and a safety today would restore much of my optimism.

by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2011 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Not to be critical, just my thoughts

I believe “value” is relative. Its relative to what teams are going to take the player. If the vikings had a player they really wanted, they have to pick him before the other teams do. I believe the Redskins were going to pick him, so in that sense, they picked Ponder at the right time. The QB situation is another reason to hate childress since he put this huge burden on the team. Without free agency so far, the QB position was a huge need that increased the “value” of the QB the vikes wanted.

Just my 2 cents. I do wish the vikes were able to trade back to say the 20th pick to gain another pick, then picked Ponder. I really like him so I had no issue with him. But the draft never goes to plan.

by Quarem on Apr 30, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions

I think Childress will have the last laugh on this one

When Mallett is the downfall of the mighty pats and he gets to brag about it to Belichick in the unemployment line = )

by nmvikesfan on Apr 30, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions

Doubtful...

Mallett is a very good QB, and the rich get richer… The Pats are set up nice for the next 5-8 years… Look for them to trade Brady for 2 firsts when he turns 35 or 36

by mak07 on Apr 30, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Mallet fell for a reason

Admitted drug use, slow as dirt, human bulls eye, and probably the biggest knock for me is when he put the blame on his oline during his film study with Jon Gruden. Very similar to what Jimmy Clausen did last year on the very same show. Neither kid will be able to lead a team of men. Just look at what Carolina had to do this year, they drafted another QB.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Apr 30, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions

Agreed!

by nmvikesfan on Apr 30, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Time will tell whether what you say is true or not.

I’m going to stand by my opinion that he was the best QB in this draft and I can now say that Bill Belicheck and the Patriots agreed with me. I’m not an NFL genius but that guy coaching the Patriots is supposed to be : )

For what it’s worth I didn’t like Clausen last year based on tape and attitude. I liked what I saw of Mallett on tape and have yet to see any reports about his character and drug use that actually have a sources name attached.

by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Mallet admitted drug use himself

How’s that for a source.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Apr 30, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Yupp NM

Someone else had to have read it. Not sure where but I read he admitted it in his one on one interviews . NOt a bad choice but prolly would have done better had his agent hired a PR coach and he read a redeeming script openly. People in this country love a story and then success. IE: Vick.

@}-----You've been Touched-----{@

by Velvetouch on Apr 30, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions

All along my gut said stay away

My gut said to stay away from Jimmy Clausen last year too. I trust my gut.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Apr 30, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Funny i didnt think JC would add up either so I trust your gut to NMV!!!

by cali viking on Apr 30, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions

The report was that he told a GM that remains anonymous that he used drugs at some point.

I agree that it’s likely he did some kind of drug at some point given that particular report but the facts remain that he has never tested positive and all details regarding his drug use are still speculative. My question is if his apparent drug use was in any way habitual wouldn’t there be something concrete out there by now? Even though drug tests are supposed to be confidential we hear of prospects that test positive for Marijuana every year at the draft like our own Percy Harvin and our new DT that we just picked. It just seems like Mallett got hammered for this issue more than most prospects have in recent memory without there being any proof other than the fact that he supposedly told at least one anonymous GM about his drug use.

Anyway, I’m pretty pleased with how the Vikings draft went after day one so I’ll move on. I’ll support Ponder and hope he justifies his draft position but I think Belichek got a better QB at a bargain price. Time will tell and I hope I’m wrong.

by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions

He's a QB

bigger microscope. It comes with the territory. I still point to the fact that he fell so far. For a QB with all his hype to fall so far is pretty telling for me.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Apr 30, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Good point.

I will say that Cam Newton went 1st overall and PFW’s blurb on his character concerns was harsher than the one on Mallett which contained the reference of drug use to the anonymous GM. Also, that Belicheck guy has an annoying habit of being right an awful lot of the time. Guess we’ll find out in a few years if any of this years QBs will be good or not : )

by CanadianViking on Apr 30, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I wouldn't have drafted either

Glad theTOA didnt either.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Apr 30, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I doubt that anybody in the entire league would not

have rated Mallet as a great pick in the third round. Same as McCoy last year. He was a great pick for any team that did not need a QB in the next couple of years. He was a good pick for any team that has a no nonsense “get the heck out of here” approach to football players.
If the Vikings had been in this situation Mallet would have been a good pick. But when was the last time a QB needy team picked a guy that can’t play for at least two years and probably will never start at all?
Be mad or be logical. Mallet was risky for the Vikings because he was Slooow. Not because he didn’t have a beautiful arm. Vikes have proven they will take a drug risk ( Harvin and Ballard). They just didn’t rate Mallet as a good fit for the Vikings.

Ponder has no idea how much pressure the fans will put on him. But he will succeed.

by lifelongvike on May 1, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions

BTW Canadien. You were right. I was the last guy to jump off the

Chilly knows what he is doing with T-Jack ship. Thanks for the reminder. But I really didn’t mind the taste of crow so much.
Later, my friend. Skol

Ponder has no idea how much pressure the fans will put on him. But he will succeed.

by lifelongvike on May 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Ha, I stuck with Chilly and TJ for a long time as well so you've got company in the having to admit you're wrong to Grime club : )

As for Mallett vs. Ponder, I’m going to have to see how both develop before I have to eat crow about the QB those evil Patriots got at a discount. I’m hoping Ponder exceeds all expectations as this is a case where I’d prefer to be proven wrong!

by CanadianViking on May 1, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions

RE this:

Vikes have proven they will take a drug risk ( Harvin and Ballard).

There’s still a huge difference in my book between marijuana and cocaine. The strongest rumors swirling around Mallett were about the coke, not the weed. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to an extent prior to the draft, but as others have said here, and Ive said before, there was obviously some merit to the rumors if a third-ranked QB drops to the third round like that. I hadn’t heard he admitted it, but I’m not surprised either- 32 GMs didn’t pass on the guy repeatedly without some good reason.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on May 1, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not commenting on whether Mallet tried cocaine.

I do know that alcohol, marijuana, and other drugs show a dependency. A person risking his future ( and millions) to take, try, or experiment with illegal drugs does not show the kind of judgment I want on my team.

On the other hand. Harvin and now Ballard both tested positive for marijuana at the combine. The combine!!!! This is just so stupid I can’t explain it.

I don’t care if they are using it in order to sleep, relax, whatever. Using it at a time it can be detected is just so dumb. What amazes me is how the Vikes seem to overlook this. I don’t understand the Vikes thinking but hey, if they are getting good players that are not dumb or stupid then power to the Vikes.

Ponder has no idea how much pressure the fans will put on him. But he will succeed.

by lifelongvike on May 2, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions

At first, I'd have agreed,

but who really knows if Mallet will thrive like Brady did coming out of college. The two don’t strike me as having the same character. I doubt it will be as seamless a Brady-to-Mallet transition as people are making it out to be. Just like when the Pats took Kevin O’Conell a couple years back, who was supposed to be the next mobile QB phenom under Belichick’s coaching. And he wound up in the Jet’s hands after they cut him a couple years later.

People are building up hype too much, media included. Mallet fell for a reason. In a QB greedy draft. The Patriots aren’t the only team that scouts. Maybe we can trust 31 other teams may have had a chance to get it right.

by Frost on Apr 30, 2011 11:58 PM CDT reply actions

I wanted Mallett

But seeing the Vikings (and every other team) pass on him twice convinced me that they had enough reason not to take him.

Still, I think Belichick was smart to take him. I don’t see him replacing Brady, because Brady wants to stay several more years. What I do see is Belichick trying to keep Mallett out of trouble off the field, giving him a championship caliber locker room environment to grow in, and showcasing him in some blowout games. Then… He’ll trade him to some other team for a lot more than he spent to get him.

Classic Belichick. It’s why I can’t stand him and think he’s awesome all at the same time.

by rovibe on May 1, 2011 2:21 AM CDT reply actions