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Why Yes, Yes It Is Way Too Early To Take A Stab At The 53 Man Roster (But We're Doing It Anyway)

You know, you guys inspire me.  I read fanposts on different players and position depth, and I ruminate on it.  And then I keep thinking how a certain guy might fit into the 53 man roster.  Then I started thinking (never really a good thing), "hey, let's take a stab at the 53 man roster."

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Pretty sure these guys make the final 53. (Photo courtesy of Kyle Rudolph's Twittering expertise)

"But Ted", you say, "there's been no free agency, and you have no idea who the Vikings will add and who will be released".

I know.  But I could talk more about the stadium, or the labor strife.  No?  You'd rather scoop your eyes out with a rusty butter knife, too?  Good, we're in agreement about something!

I know that this is relatively nuts to do right now, but when you consider that I used to willingly fly my helicopter towards incoming fire, and not away from it, like a sane, normal, and completely rational person would do, this seems a wee bit normal, doesn't it?

Perspective folks, it's all about perspective.

I just want some football.  53 man roster, offense edition, after the jump.  I might not get to the defense and special teams until after the Memorial Day holiday, but I'll try to do it before then.

Star-divide

What I'm going to do is currently list every guy on the roster (including guys who are still technically associated with the team, like Tarvaris Jackson and Ray Edwards), and the guys highlighted and bolded will be my roster picks.  Easy peezy?  Good.

QB:

Christian Ponder-Finally, the Vikings have a guy that will be their long term answer at QB.  At least I hope he will be.  I've been thinking (let me reiterate what a BAD idea this usually is) about this situation, and the conventional wisdom is that with the labor problems, there's no WAY Ponder will be ready by the time the season opens.  I'm calling it right now:  Ponder starts week 1.  Ponder has swum upstream on assumption made about him (got a scholarship on who his dad knew, weak arm, third rounder at best) and taken those assumptions and wipes his ass with them, so why wouldn't he be ready for week 1?  Bill Musgrave's offense has been simplified, and it's similar to what Ponder ran at FSU, and tell me the last time a rookie managed to get some veterans together to do voluntary workouts.  He sounds like a proactive, charismatic leader.    

Joe Webb-Okay, I've given a lot of love to Ponder, but I have to be honest-I've got as much man-love for Mighty Joe Webb as I do Ponder.  Webb brings a unique skill set to the Vikings, and I would like to think that Musgrave has some variation of the Wildcat package for him.  All of that aside, if Ponder doesn't adapt to the pro game, Webb has an excellent opportunity to win the starting job, and I would be okay with it. 

Patrick Ramsey-Of course, when we say ‘Patrick Ramsey', we all know that's Spanish for ‘journeyman veteran'.  They'll pick up somebody, and you know, why not keep Ramsey?  I never really thought about him before I started looking at the roster, but if the Vikings are going to hitch their wagon to Ponder, why not keep Ramsey?  He'd be cheaper than any other option out there, and all the other guys aren't much better than him.

Rhett Bomar-I don't see Bomar making the final 53, they'll get somebody else.

Tarvaris Jackson-When a rookie gets your jersey number, you're not coming back.  Good luck, TJ.  I hope you have a great career in the NFL.  Sorry it didn't work out here.

RB:

Adrian Peterson--  I'm not a guy that buys jerseys; it's just not me.  I've bought two in my life-Favre and Peterson.  That's how awesome AP is.  I could go on and on and on about his awesomeness, but do I really need to?   Oh, I'm pondering getting a #7 jersey.  Pondering...Ponder, seewhatIdidthere?

Toby Gerhart-Gerhart had a stop and start rookie campaign, and he seemed very uncomfortable early in the season.  But by the end of the season, I thought he had grown into his role nicely, and I look forward to watching him as he continues to develop.  He's proven on occasion that he is more than capable of being a primary backup/third down back/spot starter (remember his impressive Washington game), he just needs to do it on a more consistent basis.

Lorenzo Booker-Talk about a diamond in the rough.  Booker was signed well into the 2010 season, and became an immediate asset on special teams.  He has an opportunity to push Gerhart, but I think he found a role on this team, as he averaged more yards per kickoff return than Percy Harvin.

Naufahu Tahi-I give Tahi the edge, simply because he's the veteran.  I can't say that Tahi has ever impressed me, and to me, the FB position on the Vikings seems fairly interchangeable.  That said, he's been around for three years, and has beaten back other challenges, so you almost have to give him the edge by default.

Ryan D'Imperio-D'Imperio, Tahi, like I said I think the FB position is completely fungible, and it wouldn't surprise me if D'Imperio overtook Tahi for the final spot.  But for now, I give it to Tahi.

Albert Young-He was given an IR settlement and won't be back.

TE:

Visanthe Shiancoe-Remember when Visanthe Shiancoe couldn't catch water with a bucket at the bottom of Niagara Falls?  Yeah, me either, because he transformed himself into one of the best red zone threats in the conference over the last few years.  Shiancoe is one of the vets going to Florida to work with Ponder, and I think he'll be one of Ponder's favorite targets.  He's only got one year left on his contract, but he's going to play an important role in the development of CP. 

Jim Kleinsasser-Sadly, the end of the road is nigh for Jim Kleinsasser, a guy that has been a fan favorite since he was drafted in 2000.  I think he'll play out his contract and retire, or at least, if he wants to play, it probably won't be with the Vikes.  Kleinsasser has stuck around for so long because he's like a tackle that can catch passes, and on the rare occasion he does catch one and starts rumbling, it's must-see TV.  Time and injuries are starting to catch up with him, but he'll be around for 2011.

Kyle Rudolph-You don't draft a TE in the second round and not expect big things from him.  He'll learn from Shiancoe, and eventually become the primary pass catching TE in Bill Musgrave's offense.  Ponder to Rudolph has the potential to be a great combo for the Vikings for the next decade, and I was really happy with this pick.  Oh, and that pic of those two that has made it around the Internet?  Awesome.

Jeff Dugan-I don't see the Vikings keeping four tight ends, which makes Dugan the odd man out. 

WR:

Sidney Rice-I was kind of surprised that the Vikings didn't franchise Sid, but I still think he is a guy the Vikings will sign to an extension.  If you look at quarterbacks drafted in the first round, one of the things that determines ultimate success or failure is their receivers, and you don't have to look any farther than our beloved purple to see that.  When Daunte Culpepper was drafted, he had Randy Moss and Cris Carter to throw to.  When Tarvaris Jackson was drafted, he had Travis Taylor, Troy Williamson, and Bobby Wade.  Culpepper became a good quarterback, Jackson didn't.  Granted, that's somewhat simplistic, but a quarterback can't be successful if he doesn't have good receivers, and the Vikings know this.  The Vikings   Rice gets an extension.

Percy Harvin-Percy Harvin is awesome.  That is all.

Greg Camarillo-One play turned me into a big Greg Camarillo fan.  Remember the Cardinals game, when it was early in the game, still first quarter?  The Cardinals had just returned a kick for a TD to tie the game.  Favre threw a bad pick to Kerry Rhodes, who was going 66 yards to house it, but for Greg Camarillo?  Remember Camarillo came from the far side of the field, stripped Rhodes at the one or two, the ball went into the end zone and it was a touchback for the good guys?  Yeah, he stays.

Bernard Berrian-There aren't a lot of Bernard Berrian fans around here, and I think for some justifiable reasons.  That said, he's better than the flotsam and jetsam below, so unless the Vikings get someone in free agency, Berrian stays.  He can play wide, which keeps Harvin in the slot, where he is lethal. 

Greg Lewis-Lewis will always be remembered for the catch against the 49ers, and probably has the edge because he was suited up more last season than any of the remaining guys were.  Of course, Lewis was one of Chilly's Philly guys, and I'm not sure anything can be read too much into that now that Leslie Frazier is the coach, so to say his spot is 100% secure would be premature.

Hank Baskett, Emmanuel Arceneaux, Freddie Brown, Stephen Burton, Juaquin Iglesias, Jaymar Johnson-If there's one guy I could see making the jump over Lewis, and maybe even Berrian, it would be Jaymar Johnson.  He was a decent punt returner in 2009, but got hurt last year and went on IR.  I'd like to say I can speak intelligently on these other guys, but I can't.  Hell, I'd just like to say I can speak intelligently.

OL:

Bryant McKinnie, LT-Bryant McKinnie has been about as popular as poison ivy on the delicates, but he says he's re-dedicating himself this off-season and vows to be in great shape and ready to go.  In an unrelated note, I said I was going to quit drinking for Lent, and that lasted about 20 minutes.  But that's because I'm a heretic Lutheran, and I don't give up anything for Lent.    I'll believe McKinnie and laud him when he actually does it.

Steve Hutchinson, LG-Like Kleinsasser, time and injuries are starting to catch up with a guy who will someday go into the Hall of Fame, but Hutch has one or two good years left.

John Sullivan, C-When he wasn't injured, I thought Sully was better than 2009.  Problem was he wasn't healthy much, and he got schooled quite a bit, and quite frankly, he was out-performed by Ryan Cook when Cook had to start.  A healthy Sullivan will make all the difference this season, and I am expecting a lot from him in 2011.

Anthony Herrera, RG-Herrera is still the incumbent, but I can see Chris DeGeare pushing him for the starting job.  DeGeare was okay at times last season while Herrera was injured (man, that injury thing sure is a theme on this line, isn't it?) but I still think RG is Herrera's to lose.

Phil Loadholt, RT-Loadholt has had a couple up and down seasons.  At times you can see the monster potential, and other times he gets smacked around worse than Custer at the Little Bighorn.  That inconsistency is probably the reason the Vikings grabbed DeMarcus Love, who will push Loadholt.

Ryan Cook, C/G/T-You know, I like Ryan Cook.  He is a serviceable lineman up and down the line, except left tackle, and that makes him valuable.  I don't think he's a good option as a long term starter at any position, but is a good spot starter at four of the five offensive line spots, and that makes him valuable.

Jon Cooper, C-It's not that I'm impressed with Cooper-he was fairly underwhelming as a replacement for Sullivan, it's just that the guys that are on the roster below him impress me less, and in projections like these, I give the nod to the veteran.  But if Cook plays as well as the backup as he did last year, I can see Coop getting squeezed out in a numbers game.

Chris DeGeare, G-DeGeare has potential, but I don't know that he has the talent to beat out Herrera.  He is younger and healthier than Herrera, but he hasn't taken that next step in terms of being able to take over a starting position.  I think DeGeare has the potential to be a David Dixon-type guy-solid starter and a guy you can pencil in for 7 or 8 years, but nothing extraordinary.

DeMarcus Love, T-If Love hadn't hurt his knee and done so poorly at the Senior Bowl, he would have gone a lot higher in the draft.  I think Love will compete for the starting RT position from day one, and in three years we might look at him as one of the big steals of this draft class. 

Patrick Brown, Brandon Fusco, Seth Olsen, Thomas Welch-It's tough for me to imagine these guys as anything more than training camp bodies right now.  I liked Seth Olsen when he was at Iowa, and if Hutch can't stay healthy it might open an opportunity for him, but that won't be sorted out until training camp.

So, that gives us 24 guys for the offense.  Assuming we have a kicker, a punter, and a long snapper, that gives us 26 spots for the defense, which we'll cover in the next day or two.  If I can't get 26 guys, we'll come back over here and add either a lineman or WR over here to even things out, okay?

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pretty good assessment

i agree for the most part, with a few tweaks:

- you’re probably right that Tahi has a slight edge, but only b/c he’s a veteran. to re-sign him might be a waste of time when we could plug D’Imperio in and expect similar, if not better, results. hopefully the young guy has impressed enough to have the opportunity.

- we might keep four TEs, if only b/c with two-TE sets on the way, someone could likely get injured w/ more snaps. Jimmy K and Dugan are good blockers, i wouldn’t be surprised if they all end up on the final roster.

- agreed with Rice/Harvin/Camarillo … i still think Arceneaux was signed to be a Berrian replacement, but both could make the final roster if we don’t drop BB. so that makes, 4 or 5…i’d throw Iglesias or Johnson in the mix, but likewise, don’t know enough to make a rational decision one way or the other. scratch Lewis (despite his famous catch) and Baskett. Brown and Burton will have to really impress to find a spot.

- OL is a mess. i see McKinnie, Loadholt (bleck), Hutch, Sully, Cook, DeGeare, Fusco, Love — the last two, i like their potential and versatility. Coop, i dunno, same with Brown/Olsen/Welch.

i don’t even want to think about our projected secondary right now…

by rj-b on May 27, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I can see 4 TE's if they do a lot of 2 TE sets

but where do you rob Peter to pay Paul? Can’t really do it on the o-line, especially with all the injuries. WR? Maybe, but carrying only 4 guys at WR is a risk, too. Maybe somewhere on the defense, but I’ll look at that more in depth later.

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by Ted Glover on May 27, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The TE situation is messy

Shiancoe, Kleinsausage and Dugan are all free agents next year, and I read elsewhere that Kleinsasser may retire in a year, anyway. Meanwhile, Musgrave wants 2 TE sets.

Might they actually consider letting Kleinsasser go this year in favor of extending Jeff Dugan so that they can at least be assured of having Dugan and Rudolph available for 2012?

I know it’s almost blasphemy to talk about releasing a fan favorite like Kleinsasser, and I wouldn’t want to see that myself, but… Imagine if they release Dugan this year, only to lose Shank and Kleinsausage next year – that would leave Rudolph the only TE on the roster coming unto next year’s draft for a team than wants to utilize 2 TE sets.

Not good. Then again, can they risk losing Kleinsasser’s blocking help?

This to me will be the most interesting pre-season position to watch for offense this year.

by rovibe on May 27, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This doesn't seem that complicated to me

You cut Tahi. Keep a guy like Dugan that is capable of playing FB and backing up the TE position. Today’s NFL is all about utility in the depth and Dugan gives us that flexibility.

We’re going to see a lot of single back, two TE formations this year and I don’t see FB playing the kind of role it has in the past. Most teams don’t even carry a FB on their roster.

by Cobra312004 on May 27, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

8 in the box already.

Lets go into attack mode. Which is code for everyone knock somebody on their ass. I think I’m going to like 2 tight end sets. A little more beef at the point of attack on offense & the same for pass protection.

by iowaron on May 28, 2011 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Simple!

Cut Tahi. Jimmy the K started as a fb/H-back. Dugan can play both spots also. Tahi has been a waste of $ so dump him while we can.

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by L. A. Player on May 30, 2011 4:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

More blocking options for a rookie QB

by Guru506 on Jun 14, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone so hard on Loadholt?

Apparently, nobody has heard of the “Sophomore Slump”.

Add to that a heavily injured interior line that he had to try and help out and you can see why Loadholt was struggling a bit last year.

by Bjorno on May 27, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

All starting 5 offensive lineman missed time and games due to injury last year. I don’t think they are as bad as people are making them out to be. Age is getting to be an issue, but I don’t think talent level has been the biggest problem with the O-line. With all five nursing injuries its easy to see why they had their struggles.

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by Josh_D on May 27, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you, but...

…Loadholt did have an unacceptable number of false start penalties (at least that’s what it felt like to me). That said, I’m not concerned about him at this point. I think he’ll figure it out.

by kcskol on May 28, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loadholt

supposedly was the most penalized offensive player in the league last year

by rovibe on May 28, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he ranked in the top 10 or 11 his rookie year

that’s why i’m so hard on him. if he makes substantial steps this year, i’ll be fine with him. but if that streak continues, i question whether he’ll ever get better on that front. even for a young player, constant false starts and other penalties are not acceptable.

by rj-b on May 30, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can’t go wrong this early. The only change I would argue for is Brandon Fusco for Jon Cooper. While late round picks are no guarantee to make the 53 man roster, Cooper (who was a UDFA) didn’t do much to help himself when he did play last year. He was tried out before moving Cook back into center when Sullivan was going on and off the injured list.. I am thinking that the front office wants someone else to backup center so they can keep Cook available for OG/OT and Fusco can play backup while developing and pushing for playing time behind Sullivan. They have already invested more in Fusco by drafting him and I think he would hold the edge over Cooper based on that alone at this point.

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by Josh_D on May 27, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Solid point

When I do these things this early, my rule of thumb is that vets get the nod over rookies, but guys that are taken in rounds 1-3 are almost guaranteed to make the team. After that it’s a crapshoot, dependent on what position the guy plays and what the team needs are. I think Love, for example, was a great value pick because he was hurt. If he’s healthy, I bet he’s as good as Loadholt.

You make a decent case for Fusco, and when you compare him to Cooper, yeah, you can definitely make a case for him pushing for a roster spot.

That, and I yield to personnel evaluations from a MTD guy. Your board really does their homework on guys making the transition from college to the NFL, so if you think Fusco has a shot, I’ll be looking at him hard when football starts back up.

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by Ted Glover on May 27, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the main point in regards to rookies vs vets or guys that have already played

Is the fact that you know what you’re getting with said vet. We’ve seen Cooper already and we have an idea of where he’s at. Where he’s at is not good enough. Maybe he improves. Maybe he doesn’t, but bringing in a rookie gives some fresh blood a chance to prove their worth. It’s the same reason people hit on 15 or 16 in black jack w/ a dealer showing a facecard. You know what you have and you’re pretty sure it’s not enough. Why not take the risk of seeing what the next card has to offer.

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by DM_Purp on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always appreciate a shout out to the MTD! Liked what I saw out of Fusco at the Senior Bowl practices and the game. Definitely a developmental guy, but a lot to like as he grows over the next few years. Its still early, so maybe he and Cooper will battle it out (assuming there is some kind of camp) with one getting a spot and one attempting to sneak onto the practice squad. The lockout can’t get lifted fast enough.

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by Josh_D on May 27, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big ups to Fusco!

I agree with Josh D. I watched senior bowl practices and game, also DVR’d them then watched them a few more times after the draft.( I know I have no life) Fusco was one of the best lineman there period. He will beat out Cooper and be our starting Center in 2012.

by NorthPoleNorseman on May 28, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that booker will become our full time returner

he is solid there and can once in a while catch the ball out of the backfield. Although i love jaymar, i think that the upside for Emanuel is a little more and that’s who i think we should keep.

by muffin man on May 27, 2011 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Jaymar was better at punt returns

he wasn’t quite as good in the kickoff return game(if my memory serves correctly). Jaymar was lightening quick and seemed to have really good instincts in finding the hole on punt returns. He got up field quickly and even though he never seemed to break any huge returns, he seemed to have a lot of solid returns(10-15yds).

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by DM_Purp on May 27, 2011 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Jaymar was real solid in PR duties...

But I don’t know if that is going to be enough to break him free of the limitations he has.

First off, he is not that fast. I have seen some reports of his forty time being in the mid 4.3’s, but those are all off non-official sites/youtube videos. The only solid source that posted his forty time has him at about 4.54 which is not all that impressive.

His size is also a knock on him, as if he was 6’3", 210lbs he would be a solid threat with the speed he has, but at 6’0" and 180lbs he is a bit small to overcome his relatively slow speed.

Everything else about him is great, good footwork, great agility and very solid hands. But he is going to need some real help leapfrogging the talent we have at the position right now.

He likely will make the 53 man roster, and retain his PR duties unless Booker outshines him. But unless Jaymar has a Greg Lewis moment, he won’t be moving up the ladder very far.

by Bjorno on May 27, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any idea what Berrian's real 40 time is these days?

I hear that his speed is what’s keeping him around, but candidly I haven’t seen him outrun someone on a deep ball in what feels like donkey’s years. Ferrotte to Berrian for a 90+ yard TD was the last play I can think of… and actually the defender went to cover Shank instead of Berrian, so it doesn’t really count.

I just wonder if Berrian still has the speed, because it seems like he’s running (and dropping) a lot of slant routes these days. Anyway, just curious if there’s been a 40 done on him in the last couple of years, and if so, what it is.

by kcskol on May 28, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt the speed is still there

it seems like he’s had about 17 hanstring injuries since coming to MN

by rovibe on May 28, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot about all the hammie injuries

I’m guessing you’re right about the speed. I can’t think of a single reason to keep him around this year — and I didn’t think the speed argument was convincing to begin with. I’d be comfortable with Jaymar making the team in Berrian’s place.

by kcskol on May 29, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I’ve got no issues with it, except for 3 things

The Fusco thing that was already mentioned.

I really think Love will be an OG, but I’m also assuming Loadholt will bounce back.

And I think Greg Lewis spot would go to Emmanuel Arceneaux, as Pelissero noted his 3 year 1.8m contract (with incentives) w/ bonus of 75,000 is “a substantial sum on par with a sixth-round NFL draft pick.” Lewis got less time as the season went on (deactivated in 3 of the last 5 games), he’s old (31), and not all that great of a player. Frazier keeps saying he wants to get younger and Arceneaux is only 23, one year older than Percy, who apparently turns 23 tomorrow according to wikipedia lol….

by Hamm on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree about Loadholt..

Let’s not forget that O-lineman are a little more prone to the “Sophomore Slump” than other positions. Add to that the fact that the O-line works as a unit, and if part of the unit is weak, the rest of it has to work harder to pick up the slack.

With a healthy O-line, and another year under his belt, Loadholt will return to form as a very solid, if not great, RT. Love was not brought in to challenge Loadholt for the position, he was brought in because he is versitile enough to play OG or OT and play both sides, which he did frequently in college. We need a guy who can fill multiple positions, and Love is that guy.

I am pretty sure Lewis is going to be one of the odd men out.

by Bjorno on May 27, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let’s not forget that O-lineman are a little more prone to the "Sophomore Slump" than other positions.

please elaborate on this one….it just sounds a bit homerish to me.he got burned a lot last year.

plus, i read that spielman said they picked up love with the idea that he would be a “swing tackle”, switching from left side tackle to right side tackle like he did in college.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/121316214.html

by danny lloyd on May 28, 2011 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spielman says a lot of things

His skill set fits better at guard. Only time will tell where he ends up though.

by Cobra312004 on May 28, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

he’ll be a back-up something. i’m concerned about the starter’s lack of performance.

by danny lloyd on May 29, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

nobody can forget Juaquin Iglesias

I really think that he will make the roster. The kid has a ton of talent and potential. We were lucky to steal him from the bears

by mattnmics on May 27, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

It is way too early as we don't even know if it's a 4th or 6th year tender situation as of yet .

QB. Ponder will start . Gods help us .
          Webb will stay at #2 . A package maybe to allow hs ability .
          ??? Bulger is the best new option as Ponder gets the nod . Hasselbeck or even
          Alex Smith from SF both at no cost .
RB. AP, L. Booker then Gerhart . This is a great time to look at the UFA guys . Locke
          from Kentucky would be a steal !
         Tahi is out . And D’ Imperio must prove himself with the UFA class available . Clay/
         Wisc. maybe ?
TE. As Sausser fades with one last important role . Rudy will be a key player as we
          draft a TE next year too ! With Dugan and his contribution .
WR. Thanks for putting every WR of value above BB . He is fighting to get traded to
            Buffalo more and more every day . We do need to get an extra WR . V. Jackson ,
            Plaxico or Bray Edwards type size I’d hope . Some FAs of interest . Kid from S.
            Caroline maybe .
OL. Tyler Clabo from ATL’s OL interests me . Fusco will beat out Cooper . And we
           need a serious trade of Ryan Cook as he can play in the right system . And like
           Sharper we failed to utilize his as a Center early .

P.S. Please also send the seventh round pick to Florida to get some time in with
            Ponder . I see the Canadian made it there !
K. And again you fail Ted as we don’t own a Kicker ! We need to sign Longwell to at
           the least one more year .

Defense:

What no defense ???
Asomugha/CB/OAK , Jenkins/DE/Fudge , Ike Taylor/CB/PIT , B. Pool/S/Jets , Q. Mikell/S/PHIL on the one end . And on the other ……
Ian Williams/NT/NotreDame , The two NorthCarolina secondary guys , Will Hill/S/Florida and Lutrs/LB from was it Maryland or Syracuse . Well either way they came for visits and are locks in my estimations as real contributers to the 53 . Yes I said the 53 !

by gothicpurple on May 27, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me help ?

Hamm is cut from the a hog’s ASS !!!!!

by gothicpurple on May 28, 2011 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have an idea gothic. I need your help.

You reading this right now and drinking a beer like me?

by abba7 on May 28, 2011 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you

have any type of relationship with green eggs?

by abba7 on May 28, 2011 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

you are not. Please pardon that.

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by KJSegall on May 28, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alex Smith?

Kaepernick is a major project QB. Many expect Smith to remain the 49ers starter for at least this season.

K. And again you fail Ted as we don’t own a Kicker ! We need to sign Longwell to at
           the least one more year .

Defense:

What no defense ???

Patience.

by Cobra312004 on May 28, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

D’Imperio fan

Ryan D’Imperio looked fantastic to me last pre-season. He could replace Kleinsasser, Dugan and Tahi. He’s fast, strong, and football smart.

Bernard Berrian MUST GO. He is utterly useless, and in case you hadn’t heard, he retired half way through the 2009 season. He just didn’t tell anybody. It was an experiment to see how long Vikings management would keep sending him paychecks.

Question is, how long do you keep paying a “deep threat” receiver that NEVER helps the team? Other teams are laughing at the Vikings for keeping around this tired old dog. It’s embarrassing.

by jimbo55403 on May 27, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I love the early roster speculation Ted. Let me expand it a bit by introducing salaries and FA into the mix.

Here’s a link to some relevant salary information on the Vikings players. (It’s a little incomplete but it shows most of the salaries I want to talk about : )

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/

The salaries I wanted to highlight are as follows:

Berrian-3,900,000 this year and 6,900,000 next year
Hererra-2,650,000 this year and next
Kleinsasser-3,000,000 this year
Camarillo-1,550,000 this year
Madieu Williams-( I know this post is about offense but 5,400,000 for the next three years!!! )

That’s a lot of salary for five players that are being discussed for roster spots and fringe starter status in my opinion!
You could cut the two lowest salaried players out of this group and have over 4 million to spend in free agency or cut Madieu Williams and one other player and have enough salary savings to try and sign an elite free agent.

Since this article is only about the offense I’ll only make a couple suggestions about free agents that would help the team much more than some of these expensive vets.

Cut Berrian and Madieu Williams and take that 9 million plus in savings to sign Santonio Holmes or save a few million and sign a guy like Mike Sims-Walker. Or if you prefer solidifying the offensive line cut Hererra and Madieu Williams and spend that money on a pro-bowl guard like Davin Joseph or go for a cheaper RG like Baltimore’s Chris Chester.

Anyway, my point is that there is plenty of dead money floating around on the Vikings roster and that cutting a couple of these players along with Favre’s giant salary coming of the books, there are some great free agent possibilities available for the Vikings when football actually gets started again.

Here’s a link to possible 2011 free agents for further speculation http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

by CanadianViking on May 27, 2011 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Time to trim the fat.

I would keep Kleinsasser for another year though.
When he’s not jumping off sides, Jimmy is still a good blocker.
He’s the guy I want mentoring rookie K.Rudolph.

by chaosg on May 27, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Kleinsasser.

Out of the five expensive vets I listed, him and Camarillo are the two that I’d be quite happy to remain on the roster as they are both dependable guys who seem like true professionals that would make good role models for the younger guys on the roster.

When it comes to Madieu Williams, Berrian, and Hererra I’ll be disappointed if the Vikings don’t cut at least one, if not two, of these guys. Honestly of the three, Berrian is probably the guy I’d keep just because Rice’s contract status could make WR a position of need. Love to replace all three through some combo of free agency and development of younger roster players if possible.

by CanadianViking on May 28, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

berrian only played well wearing those yellow shoes. he gets paid enough money that he should wear them every week and just pay the fine. i think his productivity would improve dramatically.
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by danny lloyd on May 28, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not bad but too many veterans who have reached their ceilings IMHO

Here is what I thought …

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/5/3/2151456/free-agency-and-udfa-plans

I think that some free agents will be acquired and some of the players let go.

In this plan you have no free agents at all.

If I was just going to go off of the Vikings current roster then I would change …

D’imperio/Kleinsasser for Tahi (I like JK at full back – always have)
Herrera would be released due to salary and no more upside and injury frequency.
Cooper is more than likely going to get released. He may stick on the PS.
I would let Cook go as well since they drafted Love and Fusco. I think they plan on keeping them. Plus Cook’s salary is almost 2 mil.
Berrian should definitely be cut. His salary is just too much money for 29 catches no matter who is the QB. Plus they did not sign Arceneaux & Iglesias to those contracts for no reason. I think they are going to give them a chance. I see Camarillo having to battle too. Jaymar should be let go. He has 1 catch for 9 yards and 16 punt returns for a 8.4 yard average. Hardly a great punt returner. Unfortunately he has not done anything and will be entering his 4th year. He will need a monster training camp or preseason IMO.

I would also think that the Vikings MAY be in the market for a kicker. Everyone assumes they are going to resign Longwell and that Longwell wants to come back. If they really liked him why didn’t they offer him a new deal like they did for Robison prior to the CBA expiration. You would think that kicker is pretty important and that a team would want to have that spot locked up. I would not be surprised at all if they did not offer him a deal at all and went in another direction. Josh Jasper from LSU is interesting as an UDFA.

by MarkSP18 on May 27, 2011 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Kinda funny Mark, but I think I'm on the same page as you when it comes to replacing some of the overpaid vets through free agency.

Davin Joseph, Santonio Holmes, and Mike Sims-Walker are three of my favorite offensive free agents to target. Any thoughts on free agent replacements at safety for Madieu Williams ? Huff, Weddle, and Whitner are some of the guys I think would be an upgrade.

by CanadianViking on May 28, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Careful, you do not want to publicly declare agreement with me :)

I like any safety younger and cheaper. Michael Huff is the one I would target. Maybe Eric Weddle. Tanard Jackson is a long shot and a player that has had his share of problems which probably eliminates him from consideration.

I would like to bring in Joe Lefeged, Deunta Williams, or Mana Silva as UDFAs.

by MarkSP18 on May 28, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take any safety back up in the league over Williams

And keep Sanford and Abdullah as starters if necessary. Williams and Johnson are two safeties that should not be on the team in 2011 even if we can’t find first-rate starter quality safeties for replace them.

by kcskol on May 28, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brett moneys of 20M could purchase a small Army . But I don’t see Berrian going until we lock into a great FA . As I don’t see Ray Edwards going unless we have targeted a great DL guy . We passed on Singletary’s son-in-law which tells me we are targeting someone or staying put . Maybe Will Hill/S/Florida . Also Lutrus/LB/Syr. as both were targeted pre-draft . Could Alex Smith the brainiac be the fill in vet QB ? I do see us targeting one offensive and one defensive FA . Then doing the GB thing by getting aggressive in the Supp. draft and with UFAs . Chilly liked guys in the 5-6 years of service area . I see some 7-8 years vets that can fit . Q. Mikell/S/PHI , Ike Taylor/CB/PIT , Jenkins/DE/GB , Asomugha and even Claybo/OT/ATL . Two top 50 FAs would work . And then add the youth .

by gothicpurple on May 28, 2011 3:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree 100%

The only thing is that Frasier seems to like them . I have not seen anything from either player except terrible coverage, bad tackling, incorrect angles to the play and worse hands of any pro athletes I have ever seen.

by Dynalee10 on May 30, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

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