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Why Yes, Yes It Is Way Too Early To Look At The 53 Man Roster, Part II--Defense

Jared Allen will have to be the anchor of the defensive line and do a lot of this in 2011.


Yesterday, I took a shot at trying to predict the 53 man roster, and I did the offensive side of the ball.  Today, we'll look at defense.  The rules from yesterday still carry over:  I'm just looking at the guys currently on the roster, and am not taking into consideration any pending free agency moves, simply for the fact we don't know what the final result will be in terms of who will be an unrestricted free agent, what the status of the franchise and transition tags are, etc.

Just a thought:  If it turns out Ray Edwards is still an unrestricted free agent, he might take on Roger Goodell in a boxing match, without Goodell knowing it.

Defense and special teams, after the jump.

Star-divide

DT--Defensive tackle is going to be tough to project because of looming suspensions, so don't beat me up too bad over this one:

Kevin WIlliams--Ridiculous.  Insane.  Unbelieveable.  Those adjectives describe Kevin WIlliams' game since he's been here, and it also describes his looming suspension.  Not having him in the middle for the first four games is going to hurt the defense, and yet no one can still give me a logical explanation why he's being suspended when there are at least 10 other guys that took Star Caps that weren't suspended.

Christian Ballard--Ballard was described as a mid second round pick who might sneak into the first round coming into the draft, but he dropped because he's afflicted with the Reefer Madness...allegedly.  Ballard kind of flew under the radar at Iowa because of all the attention Adrian Clayborn received, but Ballard has the potential to be as disruptive in the middle as Kevin Williams has been, and I see him also rotating in at DE as well, so don't freak when you only see four DE's on my final roster.

Jimmy Kennedy--I really think Kennedy has found his niche in the NFL.  He was a first round bust for the Rams, but has done a good job as a rotational tackle spelling the starters, and I see him continuing that role in 2011.  Kennedy's never going to live up to his first round hype, but he's very effective coming off the bench for the Vikes.  He was slowed by a knee injury last year, but I look for him to be a big part of the defense this year.

Letroy Guion--I used to think that between Fred Evans and Guion, Evans was the better of the two, but Guion passed Evans last year.  He got a better push, had more sacks, and just seemed more disruptive when he was in as opposed to Evans.  Evans makes the final 53.

Fred Evans--Speaking of Fred, if there were no suspensions looming on the line, I don't think he'd be back.  This is just anecdotal evidence on my part, but it seemed when he was in, teams ran right at him, and right over him.  The defensive line as a whole slipped in 2010, and Evans was right in the middle of it.  But I think he's back simply because they need the bodies early on.

Tremaine Johnson--Normally, Johnson would seem like a victim of numbers, but with the Williams suspension I can easily see the VIkings keeping Johnson. 

Pat Williams--I keep going back and forth on whether or not PW will be back in purple.  His retirement was almost a certainty at the end of the season, but then Pat started saying he'd like to come back...but not really with the Vikings.  Maybe.  I don't see him coming back to the Vikings, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was.

DE:

Jared Allen--Don't cut the mullet this year, JA.  I think it's scientific fact that when you cut your hair, your production goes down.  In all seriousness, Allen will need to be the anchor of a line that will be in flux at three positions for at least a quarter of the season, and he'll need to really step it up in 2011.

Everson Griffen--I'm thinking that when your career highlight is NOT throwing a Super Bowl party in Las Vegas, you probably weren't the rookie of the year, and your career might be headed for trouble.  Griffen, ironically, had kind of the same rap Ray Edwards had coming out of college--first round talent, but a 7th round head.  Edwards matured and became a very good player, will Griffen?

D'Aundre Reed--I'm usually not a guy that gives 7th round picks much of a shot at making the roster, but right now Reed makes it just because the Vikings will need depth at DE.  Assuming Edwards goes, I would think they would address depth in free agency, but if I'm going to play by the rules I put myself under, I pencil Reed in as one of the back ups.

Brian Robison--I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think that Brian Robison is an every down defensive end.  Those of you that got fed up with the antics of Ray Edwards wanted the Vikings to cut him and go with Robison, and now you're probably going to get your wish.  To me, Robison isn't very good against the run, and although he's a very good situational pass rusher, I have reservations as to whether he can do it on every down.  Hey, I hope I'm wrong and Robison blows it up in 2011.

Ray Edwards--I know a lot of you guys are fed up with Ray's antics, but I understand where he's coming from.  I don't think Edwards is pissed at the Vikings as much as he's pissed at the changing free agency rules, which have really hurt him, at least in his mind.  Will he be back?  I hope so, because over the course of the whole 2010 season I thought he was more consistent than Jared Allen was, but if he's an unrestricted free agent, I don't see it.

Adrian Awasom--Um, not to be disrespectful to Mr. Awasom, but does anyone know who this guy is and when the Vikings signed him?  Anyone?  Bueller?

LB:

Chad Greenway--Not sure if the franchise tag will be back with the new labor agreement, but the Vikings put that on Greenway, indicating the value the team places on him.  Greenway has become one of the better linebackers in the NFL, and he has become a leader on defense.  The Vikings will sign him to an extension, and hopefully he will play his entire career in Minnesota.

EJ Henderson--I'm still mad that EJ didn't win comeback player of the year, and Michael Vick did.  Henderson played remarkably well in 2010 considering what he went through just to get on the field, and I expect him to be the heart and soul of the Vikings defense for a few more years.

Jasper Brinkley--Brinkley was pressed into a starter's role when EJ Henderson was hurt in 2009, and I liked the kid's moxie.  He didn't play much in 2010, other than on special teams, and he'll keep his roster spot in 2011 as a special teams guy and as EJ's backup at MLB.

Heath Farwell--Farwell is the special teams captain, and a decent backup that might move into Ben Leber's spot.  Leber will be a free agent, and with his age and slipping production the Vikings have shown no interest in re-signing him to this point. 

Erin Henderson--Henderson stays simply because there isn't anyone else.

Ross Homan--Homan was drafted to take Leber's roster spot.  I can see Farwell getting moved off of special teams and into Leber's spot, and Homan takes Farwell's special teams slot.

Kenny Onatolu--Another special teams guy who will stay.

Ben Leber--I don't see Leber coming back, for reasons stated above.  I thought he was a good linebacker while he was a Viking, and he'll find a team.  Good luck, Ben, and thanks for everything you did while wearing the Purple and Gold.

CB:

Antoine Winfield--Really, is there a better all around CB in the NFL?  See, this is what we call a rhetorical question.  We know the answer is no, but we ask it anyway to reinforce the obvious.  Every year I think Winfield will slip a little, but as he gets older, he gets better.  The fact he went to Ohio State makes it even sweeter for me.

Cedric Griffin--I feel bad for El Cid.  He's been on a run of hard luck, and with two ACL's injuries I will be interested to see how his cover skills are.  He was really coming around last year when he got hurt again, and the battle between him and Cook will be a fun one to watch.  I give the edge to Griffin, but I think it's going to be a pitched battle.

Chris Cook--I see Cook competing for a starting job with Cedric Griffin, and he might win the job.  Until Cook had both the left and right meniscus injuries, he looked sharp.  Granted, he looked terrible after that, but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the injuries.

Asher Allen--In the hot mess that was the Vikings secondary in 2010, Allen was one of the few, occasional bright spots.  At times he seemed like he was going to be pretty good, then at times...not so much.  I see Allen competing for the nickel or dime spot.

Brandon Burton--I think Burton has a great shot to make the team.  Cook and Griffen are coming off of injuries, and the rest of the guys might be veterans, but let's face it, they were pretty terrible.  Burton is tall, fast, and according to his scouting report, a good fit for the cover-2 scheme that the Vikings run.

Lito Sheppard--I really hope Sheppard doesn't come back.

Frank Walker--He was better than Sheppard, but that's like saying the flu is better than the plague.  You still don't want either one.

Cord Parks, Simeon Castille, Marcus Sherels--Maybe if Burton is a complete bust Marcus Sherels might sneak on to the final 53 man roster, but these guys just all seem like training camp bodies at this point.

S:

Husain Abdullah--Not great, but he did okay.  The deep secondary seemed to just be mediocre, as opposed to plain terrible, when Abdullah was playing.  I know it's not a compliment, but Abdullah got better as the season went along, so maybe he can become a starter.

Madieu Williams--Williams was the worst safety in the NFL last year, but I have a feeling Leslie Frazier thinks it was a fluke, and expects Williams to rebound in 2011.  He was hurt for the first part of 2009, but played well once he was in the lineup, and I was pleased when the Vikes signed him as a free agent, so Frazier might be on to something.  But if he's wrong, the Vikes will pay for it all through the season.

Jamarca Sanford--Late in the season, the Vikings starting safeties were Abdullah and Sanford, and that tandem looked downright respectable.  They weren't world beaters, and you weren't going to mistake them for Troy Polamolu, but they stopped the hemorrhaging, although by then it was too late to do anything but play out the season.  Sanford leaped Tyrell Johnson, and can will push for a starting job in 2011.

Mistral Raymond--The talent is so thin at safety I think Raymond makes the team.

Tyrell Johnson--Tyrell Johnson, what happened?  You went from promising starter to being inactive for most of last season.  The fall continues as Johnson doesn't make it out of Mankato.

Eric Frampton--I can't see the Vikings carrying 5 safeties.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K--Ryan Longwell.  When the NFL moved the kickoff back to the 35, that told me Longwell was coming back. 

P--Chris Kluwe.  He's developed into one of the best punters in the NFL.  And a better twitterer, tweeter, whatever.

LS--Cullen Loeffler. 

And that, I believe, adds up to 53.  24 on offense, 26 on defense, and 3 special teams guys, right?  I know DT is heavy and DE is a bit light, but when you consider that Ballard might be that floater guy that goes from DT to DE, I hope it makes more sense.

Enjoy your holiday weekend!

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Cliff Harris, Oregon CB, should be coming out next year and reminds me a lot of Winfield. Hits like a truck, small, aggressive, and rarely gets beat. Also has cover skills similar to Asante Samuels….that can’t be too bad. I still would have like Jimmy Smith this year, but I will resolve to be content with what we got.
I agree that the line will be a pretty big issue and if Edwards is a RFA, I don’t see him signing the offer. I think he would rather sit out than play without a payday. I always that the LB position was more of a problem than the line (looking at you Leber). Henderson is also not getting any younger, though I love Brinkley who I believe could step in right now.
Now just need to cross our fingers that there is a season so we can scream for joy and lament together…

by DaBagel on May 28, 2011 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

True

But couldn’t Raymond also be a special teams guy?

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps but those are some big shoes to fill

From the Vikings website.

Has recorded the most special teams tackles for the Vikings over the past 3 seasons with 53 in only 41 games with the club.

Especially if Farwell starts and the Vikings plan on cutting back on his special teams duties as a result, Frampton will be invaluable on special teams. Raymond’s got some long odds IMO. Probably has a better chance of beating out Williams.

by Cobra312004 on May 29, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot
The fact he went to Ohio State makes it even sweeter for me.

There is no Ohio State. He went to THE Ohio State University.

by Arif Hasan on May 28, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Adrian Awasom is a UFL guy

They signed him around the same time they signed Emmanuel Arceneaux

by Hamm on May 28, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Pat wont be a Viking next year.

The Vikings are going to have to keep an extra DT due to K.Williams suspension.
If they sign Pat, then they have to sign another DT to replace him during his suspension too….that would be a big waste of money, and a wasted roster spot.

With that said, I think the Vikings will move on w/out P.Williams, and sign a guy who is eligible to play and practice for the whole season….This will allow them to keep 1 less DT on the roster.

by chaosg on May 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry to say but chaosg may be right

Shame as i think Pat still could be a force in special situations and not tire that big frame. I am sure he realizes the suspensions will limit his FA $ status and that could mean he stays and signs a cheaper salary to retire a Viking.
I hope so. One class act guy.

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on May 28, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

No, please, no!!!

“…but I have a feeling Leslie Frazier thinks it was a fluke, and expects Williams to rebound in 2011.”

It wasn’t just 2010. He and Tyrell Johnson were awful in 2009 as well. Against Chicago alone, there were two memorable plays that highlight the inadaquacy of Williams on the field.

2010 Lowlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imN2TTa907k
2009 Lowlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dIcvi9D8ks

Please, as wonderful as Williams is as a human being, his calling and talent lies somewhere other than on the football field.

by kcskol on May 28, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Another good look Ted. I’m in the minority with you on Robison. Like you I hope he proves me wrong. I like him as a rotational player, but I think he’ll need some help and there will be more Griffen and Reed sightings.

As for the future of the roster, now that the Vikings have got their quarterback we can expect a lot of offensive and defensive lineman within the first 3 rounds. Mix in the occasional WR, S, CB, TE, LB. Make sure your ready for who to watch next college football season by taking a look at our early 2012 prospect list found here.

Its looking to be another good year for defensive line man and a offensive line class that is looking to rely on juniors declaring. Lots of WRs and CBs/S too.

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by Josh_D on May 28, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Great Line Ted:

“Frank Walker—He was better than Sheppard, but that’s like saying the flu is better than the plague. You still don’t want either one.”

Damn that’s funny!

by Caretaker QB on May 28, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

asher had some bright spots?

when allen wasn’t getting burned by any packers receiver, he was over playing the run and missing every attempt at jamming the receiver at the line….i really hope ced is back full strength cuz if allen has to cover a top 3 receiver he is going to lose…….everytime

by Mr. Fun-Pants on May 28, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

According to your "bolding"

We won’t have a kicker, long snapper or punter! But, other then that, not too shabby, a few surprises but that’s going to happen.

by hickenizgriz on May 28, 2011 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW

The moral in this story is train your kids to be longsnappers.

by Cobra312004 on May 29, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think that Brian Robison is an every down defensive end. Those of you that got fed up with the antics of Ray Edwards wanted the Vikings to cut him and go with Robison, and now you’re probably going to get your wish. To me, Robison isn’t very good against the run, and although he’s a very good situational pass rusher, I have reservations as to whether he can do it on every down. Hey, I hope I’m wrong and Robison blows it up in 2011.

We are in the minority but you’re definitely not alone in that thinking. Robison isn’t stout enough against the run in general and he will wear down if he has to play starters snaps. Hope we can find a better option.

by Cobra312004 on May 28, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

yes, it's way too early for a mock 53-man roster.

it would be good to see listings for potential free agents at various positions.
but good job on the assessment of the guys we currently have on the roster.
i agree with most of your takes. except, i think it is too early to even try to
project what these late round rookies might do or become.

ballard is a weedhead. you say he “flew under the radar”…
i say he was so high that he tried to “fly OVER the radar”.
give it up for the combine, ballard, and get paid more !!!

by danny lloyd on May 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Ben Leber.....

was a very dependable LB for the Vikings, who turned in his share of big plays. Should you ever look over his career numbers down the road, remember this———-he committed ONE FEWER penalty than his totals would indicate. That would be a certain PI call in overtime of a certain NFCCG against a certain overhyped, politically correct collection of cheap shot artists who needed every break to go there way to win the damn game.

Thanks Ben. Good luck to you.

by Mel Allen on May 29, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

AGREE!

That call was one of the worst I have ever seen,and I have been watching NFL football since the 70’s, You just don’t make game deciding calls on incidental contact on a ball that is ten feet over a receivers head.

by Dynalee10 on May 30, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Defensive thoughts
Erin Henderson—Henderson stays simply because there isn’t anyone else.

Really? That’s really a good enough reason to keep the brothers together on one team? Surely someone can be found in FA to come in and push Erin a bit harder. I think he can be better that a rotational player, he’s certainly shown flashes of it. But he either needs more play time, or someone to push him. If Leber goes, it’s Erin Henderson’s spot to lose.

Ray Edwards—I know a lot of you guys are fed up with Ray’s antics, but I understand where he’s coming from. I don’t think Edwards is pissed at the Vikings as much as he’s pissed at the changing free agency rules, which have really hurt him, at least in his mind

I’m not one of the folks who will be glad to see the back of Ray-Ray. While I think his play has a bad tendency to depend on mood, when Ray is on, he’s full-on. Unlike you, I think he’s damned pissed at the Vikings. He’s said repeatedly that he doesn’t think it’s right that his back-up (Robison) gets paid more than he does. He’s right. And the Vikings have wronged Ray Edwards in a most indisputable fashion. They could have fixed it at any time, but they chose not to.

Ross Homan—Homan was drafted to take Leber’s roster spot. I can see Farwell getting moved off of special teams and into Leber’s spot, and Homan takes Farwell’s special teams slot.

Ross Homan… Who the hell is he, other than the 200th pick of the draft? Seriously? Maybe if he shows that he’s more than just a long shot in the dark, but you’re really reaching to assume he’s better than Leber, even a Leber who’s game is falling off. You’re not only assuming Homan’s a worthy replacement for Leber, but that he’s better than Erin Henderson. Big stretch.

Farwell’s been wanting to be moved into a regular LB position (he’s currently backing up Greenway), and every time he’s gotten out there, he’s proved that he’s nothing special outside of special teams. Farwell’s a special teams specialist (isn’t that special? :) ), it’s where he excels. Pull him out and both the LB corps and the special teams will be the worse for it.

The story of the Vikings safetys could be a Greek tragedy all by itself. If praying that M. Williams won’t be back, will help, then I’ll get on my knees and pray. I mean it. And at this point, I’d really like him to take Tyrell Johnson (and Berrian) with him. Last year the Vikings let my dark horse favorite go (Colt Anderson) and he earns a roster spot with the Eagles. Now the team is set up for yet another year of secondary craziness.

I want to see Cook step up and show that he wasn’t a wasted 1st round pick, enabling Winfield to step back to a safety position where he can shore things up back there and maybe teach our young guys how to cover and tackle.

And finally, on Mr. Longwell….. my second prayer goes out to him; that he stays another year instead of going golfing for the rest of his life. No guarantees there and the Vikings have done jack-all to cover things in case there’s no kicker.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on May 29, 2011 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Good comment DC.

When it comes to the OLB position that Leber has done an admirable job holding, I think his time has come to move on as he seemed a step slow and uncharacteristically missed his gaps quite often to my amateur eyes last year. Erin Henderson seems to be the natural replacement to Leber unless Homan shows more in pre-season and training camp if they occur.

Ray Edwards. I’m not sure what to say about this guy. He’s overachieved greatly for a 4th round pick that had an early steroids/ped suspension and has been a solid member of the defensive line since. The Vikings have stated for about two years that they would like to re-sign him to a longer term contract and for two years Ray has been pissed that he hasn’t received such a deal. Obviously the CBA and RFA rules have complicated matters, but I think that the two parties are too far apart on dollars or this would’ve been resolved by now. Ray gets his bigger payday from somebody else, and while I wish him success, I think the Vikings will be fine with a minimal dropoff with Robison, Griffen, and Ballard picking up the slack at a cheaper price. Such is business in the NFL.

As for the safeties, I gotta agree that Madieu should say adieu to the Vikings and go away because 5.4 million is too much to pay a man that is much better of the field than he is on it. Hopefully cutting Madieu’s big salary leads to the acquisition of a better safety or an upgrade to the offensive line through free agency.

by CanadianViking on May 29, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may be right about Leber. I agree, last year he seemed to really drop off from his amazing level of play in 2010, but you have to have someone better to step into his slot. The question is, is Erin Henderson ready to be The Man? Maybe I’m missing something on Homan, but it’s hard to believe that Homan can walk in, rookie who had no training camp and maybe no pre-season, and upstage Erin Henderson. If he does, fine. Let the best man win the position. I just doubt it.

We’ll probably never be privy to the private pay discussions between Ray’s agent and the Vikings, but when I put myself in Ray’s place, I’d be pissed. Not that I would expect to be paid top DE pay, but being paid less than my backup would be a major demotivator.

If the drop off to Robison is minor, however…. you’re right. It wouldn’t make sense to keep Ray. Money is the final arbiter in these things. I’m not sure I remember Robison’s play being anything more than adequate, though. I guess we’ll see.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on May 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

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