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Where I Breathe A Little And Reassess The Current CBA Situation Again

Okay. . .my initial piece on this (for those folks that saw it) was a bit on the reactionary side, to say the least. For that, I apologize to all of our readers out there. My apologies to the NFLPA*, as well, for casting them in a negative light.

Like many of you, as I've stated on numerous occasions, I'm not on any one particular "side" in these labor negotiations. I just want football. And after the news had broken that the owners had approved the CBA and that we were "half way there," it was quite a slap to see that, all of a sudden, we weren't "half way there" any longer.

Where many once thought that there was labor peace, it turns out that there is none. Whether it's because the owners slipped extra provisions into the deal that weren't previously agreed on or the players are posturing for something more is really irrelevant at this point. We're all just sick and damn tired of the entire thing, and are tired of seeing our favorite sport put in jeopardy because of the inability of adults to come to an honest agreement.

The major thing is that it's highly unlikely we're going to get any kind of vote on the NFLPA* on this tonight. Or tomorrow. And if there is a vote, it seems that the odds of it being a positive one are kind of remote.

We will keep monitoring the situation, and try to keep the number of false alarms to a minimum.

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Keep the faith, my friend

The New York Times just posted this about 20 minutes after your post: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/sports/football/NFL-Union-Labor-Deal.html?hp

Anyway, it’s in the players’ court now. Basically the owners are saying that the players simply need to: 1) re-form the union; and 2) agree to the deal. If they don’t do it, then as fans both you and I can throw tomatoes as is our right as fans. It’s what we do. We brave foul weather and long lines to see our team and cheer. We pay through the nose for tickets and stadiums beers, and mooch off friends to watch their NFL Ticket on DirecTV (nod to us out-of-towners). We buy overpriced, official logo’d apparel and tchotchkes. And we endure the ribbing of our neighboring states when things go poorly for us. HOWEVER, when our loyalty is assumed rather than respected, and when the owners, coaches and/or players give less than their best effort, then I will proudly stand up and let them hear my disapproval. I’ve been a fan for longer than I care to admit, and dammit, I will not apologize for letting the silliness of what’s going on get under my skin. And neither should you.

by kcskol on Jul 21, 2011 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

NFLPA?

What is this “Association” your speaking of? Question: Do all 1400 players vote on the new CBA or just their reps? Because getting up with those 1400 players might be a challenge.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jul 21, 2011 9:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

they could vote digitally, let's just hope that 'deibold voting machines' aren't involved...

and that none of the owners have any ties to the folks tallying the votes…and no katherine harris.
i smell another “hanging chads” scenerio! espn would milk that fiasco dry, too.

kluwe, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Jul 21, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I didn’t think there was a union any more. But then why do they refer to the player rep. And why are they negotiating collectively? Are you saying the decertification was just a sham??

by Siegfried59 on Jul 21, 2011 11:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Warcraft is on the loose
@ChrisWarcraft
You know what else is douchebaggy? Changing the terms of a deal moments before presenting it to someone else. #cantwealljustgrowup

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 21, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

No doubt.

This guy just might be more of a football player than the other 1399.

by kcskol on Jul 21, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said earlier today

Wake me up when we’re in the air. This on again/off again crap is just too much to stomach.

Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota. Tweeting here.

by Eric J. Thompson on Jul 21, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Those media pieces of shit

Bills’ player representative George Wilson just said that there is no players vote set tomorrow, Saturday, or any day. The media came up with it to I guess “pressure” the players. He was asked if they could have a vote by Tuesday and he said there is no timeline for them to sign a deal.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jul 21, 2011 9:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If this.......

turns into a game of chicken, the players will lose. As I see it, the owners have played it smart, politically. Not sure what Smith is up to. He HAS to know ALL the details that are in this “agreement”, would he not? What sense would it make for the owners to vote unanimously on something that contained items he was not aware of? That would backfire quickly on them.
With Brady’s lawsuit hanging out there, this could turn into an ugly battle AMONG the players, namely, the richest players being the ones who can afford to wait the longest to settle.
The irony is the previous CBA is the root of this potential class struggle.
UFL anyone?

by Mel Allen on Jul 21, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

according to chris mortenson on his Twitter

he’s saying that the proposal they ratified was different than what they had originally discussed. After looking over it, he’s saying that even though it’s different, the differencing are things they should be able to work out. They just needed some time to read over the details before forwarding it on to the players to vote on.


Good news. Players wrapped call, then leadership received final details. Vote can come tomorrow if they can satisfy a finishing detail or 2.
Players want lockout lifted if/after they vote yes, then sign player union cards at team facility, collected by reps and regional directors

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 21, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what I turly believe will happen

the labor talk process will fall apart and they won’t agree to a deal until 2 weeks before the regular season starts. Why do I say this? Because, I have a feeling the players will only agree to a deal, when they don’t have to go into training camp. My gut is telling me this lockout will last until the end of august- early September. If this happens, I really hope we the fans will unite and boycott the NFL for the first few weeks, if not most of the regular season. This is getting really dumb. This should be done with and both sides are playing a dangerous game of chicken, which could backfire on both of them and cost them we The fans from ever watching football again.

by mattnmics on Jul 21, 2011 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

i must be missing something...

…this deal seems pretty legit, yet several players keep saying (read: tweeting) they’re being pressured into a “bad deal”…what don’t they like about the proposal??

by rj-b on Jul 21, 2011 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

They hadn't looked over the whole thing yet

They felt duped because it was different than what they had discussed(a few of the items), but now after reviewing it, apparently it’s not a “bad” deal. A lot of the players responded to hearsay

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 21, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

some of the media, yeah

but even the players just overreacted too quickly without reviewing all the details. We need to be aware that this is going to be completely typical with the 24/7 instant news(non-verified) and instant reactions straight from players.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 21, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you want a "sell high" deal...

…i’d be selling Twitter…NOW. that’s gonna be the MySpace of 2013.

by rj-b on Jul 21, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it's here to stay

it’s obvious that people want instant access/opinions. They’re not waiting for someone to write a story in a newpaper….not waiting for a blog….now they’re waiting for a tweet. A truly instant reaction

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 21, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's going to be supplanted by...

twitter contact lenses with 4g rfid chips implanted in your nostrils.
brand named “blinker” and “booger”….it’s the next big thing!!!

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Jul 22, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a new thing called "Google Plus"

I’ve been hearing it’s going to be the next big social media site. You heard it here first.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jul 22, 2011 1:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'm already on it

and yes, once it’s out of Beta testing it will take hold. it’s a mix of Facebook and Twitter, basically.

by rj-b on Jul 22, 2011 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

would that be "FaceTwitt" or "TwittFace"
it’s a mix of Facebook and Twitter…

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Jul 22, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adults?

We’re all just sick and damn tired of the entire thing, and are tired of seeing our favorite sport put in jeopardy because of the inability of adults to come to an honest agreement.

I don’t know Chris, can we call them adults, except in the legal “They’re above the age of 18” sense?

I just about hate them all, minus most of the Vikings that is.

by AlldayFurore on Jul 21, 2011 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Say it aint so

This close to an agreement for a CBA and a Staduim deal but both get called off at last minute.
Love me some Vike football,but refuse to be held captive,make a deal and play,or just start the NFL over with some players that want to play.
Aint no one forcing the Players to play for millions of dollars,too many peeps this nation would play 500k a season and give heart and soul,and be glad have a job.

by speedlod on Jul 21, 2011 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Irrelevant

Doesn’t matter what those “peeps” would do. No one would WATCH that. You can watch the UFL now if that’s your idea of football. People want the sport at the highest level, with the best players. That means those people have a right to be paid for a service they can provide no one else CAN.

And no one’s EVER gone to a game to watch a billionaire owner. (Mark Cuban perhaps excepted.) I don’t see the logic in giving billionaire owners who already HAD a guaranteed profit even more money without ensuring the product is at least equally good for all sides.

It’s a 10 year CBA, it should be fair for both sides BEFORE it’s voted on by either. This was a pressure play by the owners. Dirty pool, honestly.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 22, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

With Respect to Respect

I don’t commonly agree with Jay Glazer, but he made a point on NFL Network that explains part of the current hold up. In the NFL, the players are instructed by their coaches (who represent the NFL to them) that when your opponent comes at you and overpowers you, it is your job responsibility to fight back. The NFL has to consider that if this is the league’s ethos of the game, then the players, when they perceive that someone is coming at them saying you have just 90 minutes or just a few days to say yes or no, and that’s just it, the answer from many is going to be: you are not going to bull rush through me. Maybe the deal is fair, but when the league commonly manages by saying that we don’t care if what we do is in line with the principles which we spouted to you, but that you signed a contract saying we can abuse you under the CBA, even though we don’t always abide in the spirit of some of the nice words in there ourselves, then trouble in River City is likely to remain in the forecast. Certainly the players need to realize that time is of the essence and you can’t always get what you want, but snapping the bull whip is never going to win any popularity contest. If your opponent smells bad to you, you want to hold your nose. That’s human nature.

by Elgar on Jul 22, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If/When they do finally come to an agreement and get back on the field

We can then shift our focus back to the stadium situation, and whether there is even going to be a Vikings franchise playing in Minnesota under the new CBA. I still have the horrible feeling that the light at the end of the tunnel is going to turn out to be an on-coming train.

by Vikinole on Jul 22, 2011 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't argue there.

If there’s no special session, I think they’re gone. And honestly, I don’t think the Vikes can put as much money into lobbying in September as they did this time.

The Minneapolis Mafia wants to play chicken with the rest of the state. Not understanding if the Vikes leave, it’s a black eye for THEM too.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 22, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Westbound Express

…for Viking fans parallels the answer to the old question what is the last thing that passes through a bug’s mind on the expressway? (Answer: The windshield.)

Saying you are poor is not going to hold water when people know that when you were rich, you didn’t build any better Viking stadium either.

If you can’t make much of a bid when the other two guys in the auction are billionaires, who do you think goes home with the masterpiece at the end of the day?

by Elgar on Jul 22, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

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