Sidney Rice Might Not Be Long For The Vikings
Okay kids, I'm going on the assumption that the players won't be colossally stupid and will, in fact, approve the new CBA. SO that means it's time to kick the football talk into high gear. One of the things that we have bandied about over the off-season, when we haven't been consumed by this labor crap, is the status of two big pieces of the Vikings puzzle, Sidney Rice and Ray Edwards.
It's almost a foregone conclusion that Edwards won't be back, but now that I have embraced the Twitter, Judd Zulgad tweeted this earlier today:
I'm not confident Rice will remain in Minnesota. RT @Adamwordennnnn: @JuddZulgad fair enough. You think sid stays?
Not sounding good. Let's break down Sid's importance after the jump.
The Vikings have drafted four quarterbacks to be their 'Quarterback of the Future' three times in their history (I'm not counting Fran Tarkenton, because the Vikes were an expansion team, and it doesn't fit my narrative, so there), Tommy Kramer, Daunte Culpepper, Tarvaris Jackson, and Christian Ponder.
Two of those quarterbacks had legitimate WR targets that helped in their development as good, or at a minumum, serviceable quarterbacks. For Kramer, he had Ahmad Rashad and Sammie White. Culpepper had Randy Moss and Cris Carter. Rashad and White are all time greats for the Vikings, and Carter and Moss are all-time NFL greats.
Tarvaris Jackson had Bobby Wade and Troy Williamson, guys who are great receivers...in Arena Football or the UFL. Well, okay, I'm being too hard on Bobby Wade, because he was a legitimate, serviceable receiver for the Vikes, but Williamson I cut no slack to. Is it a coincidence that Kramer and Culpepper had a fair amount of success in the NFL, and Tarvaris Jackson hasn't?
Maybe that's too simplistic of a view, because there's a lot more that goes into being a successful NFL quarterback than just having two wide receivers, and I'll concede that point. But if I concede that point, you'll have to concede that having two good wide receivers certainly doesn't hurt, right? Good.
Either Zulgad or Tom Pelissero also tweeted that Ponder expects to be the starter (like his confidence), and if that's going to be the case, Ponder will need some reliable targets to throw to. Sidney Rice is one of those targets, and the Vikings must make every reasonable effort to re-sign him.
Percy Harvin is a dynamic playmaker, but has struggled on the outside. He is clearly more productive in the slot, with big, legitimate targets on the outside drawing attention, giving him room to exploit gaps in coverage. Not re-signing Rice actually weakens two players, in my opinion, and will hurt Ponder in his ability to develop. And that development has already suffered because of the lockout.
So, moving forward, who do the Vikings have if Rice moves on? Well, let's look. For starters, Harvin. Moving him around is an option, but without a legitimate WR opposite, it will be tough to get him in favorable one on one matchups.
Bernard Berrian is still on the roster, and if Rice leaves, will that make Berrian a must keep guy? I'm not convinced that's the case. Berrian has struggled for the last two years, and isn't worth the salary. But if Sid bolts, do you run the risk of bringing in an almost brand new receiving corps? The VIkings didn't address the WR corps in the draft until the 7th round, when they selected Stephon Burton. Does anyone really think that a 7th round pick is the answer to Sidney Rice?
At TE, the VIkings have the proven Visanthe Shiancoe and the rookie Kyle Rudolph, and both of those guys will be legitimate short and medium range targets. Great guys to go to when you need to move the chains, but they aren't a field stretching deep threat. Harvin is, but can he do that out wide? So far, in his career, the answer to that is no.
Who could they bring in? Plaxico Burress, Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, the names really don't matter. They are all guys that are on the downside of their career, and will be a stopgap solution at best. Rice is still young, seems to be healthy, and will help be the guy that gets Ponder and the Vikings to the next level.
Losing him would be a crippling blow to the team.
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It would really hurt the team this year but if losing Sidney Rice meant us being able to sign Larry Fitzgerald next year I’m all for it. I know Fitzgerald said he wants to stay in Arizona but it’s hard to imagine he wouldn’t take a look at the Vikings considering it is his hometown state, his dad lives here, and he was a ball boy here. Probably doesn’t hurt that Ponder has been working out at his camp either.
by Skoaldybi on Jul 24, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you. Fitzgerald > Rice
While I would miss Sidney, Fitzgerald actually loves Minnesota and is a class act so if seeing him go this year means we get a shot at him next season I’d be willing to take our lumps now for that opportunity.
Nice but not likely
The Cards are likely to get Kolb and that will mean a real QB to throw TD’s to Fitz. He’s going to have a massive season and just like Rice, he’s too important to the Cards to allow him to walk. It’s true he has connections to MN but I don’t see him going anywhere.
"supposedly" a real QB
The guy has only played like 4 games right?
by vikesfan4lyf on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
i've felt the same way
if Fitz doesn’t sign an extension this year, that’s a fairly obvious indication he will test the FA market — and i can’t imagine the Vikes wouldn’t be at the top of his list. he knows it, they know it, and we’ll offer him top $$ to bring him here.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Wow, thats ME!
Front page! Win!
Sad to hear he will leave though
We need Rice
But there are other free agent wide receivers that we can pursue should Rice decide to part ways with the Vikings.
by Coolio12 on Jul 24, 2011 1:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think we should go hard after on right away
and that can help Rice avoid double-coverage and perhaps entice him to come back.
Skol!
There is a chance the Jets would lose both Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes. If that happens they will have plenty of bread to snag Rice—I know, that’s a very starchy meal, but it could happen :)
I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaallllllly wish we could keep him but I doubt we can outbid anyone. Hate to lose him and I don’t think we’ll get anything close in FA to replace him but what can you do?
The hidden thing here
Is that, like above mentioned, the WR free agent pool is quite massive this year. That being said, I’d like to keep Squidney.
by Jepp The Viking on Jul 24, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
If we lose out on Sidney
Does that mean we would have the money to sign someone like Asomugha? spell check
Its *Awesomewa
Ponder to Harvin for 6!
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Jul 24, 2011 3:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
New QB under center....
so there is not much of a relationship with ANY of the receivers. I look for this new kid Arceneaux* to play a major role on the team, should Rice leave.
ding ding ding
I look for this new kid Arceneaux* to play a major role on the team, should Rice leave.
kid looks like a good route runner. i figured he’d be the BB replacement, but he may fill a bit of Sid’s shoes, as well.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
There's really nothing new here.
Rice has already said that he’s going to shop around for other offers.
His agent is known for playing hardball, but every team in the NFL is fully aware of Rices injury history, so I doubt anyone is going to break the bank to get him….and the Vikings shouldn’t either.
there are plenty of owners with too much money. these kind of things never scare off everyone. someone will pony up big for his services.
by iseepurplepeople on Jul 25, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That's certainly a possibility.
Especially with owners like A. Davis, D. Snyder and J. Jones playing the market.
For all we know, Rice just might want to be done with the Vikings too…..unproven QB, Stadium Issues, cold weather,,,,,,,etc!
I just don’t want the Vikings to be locked in an expensive long term deal with an injury prone player.
1 healthy season out of 4 is not a good track record.
I think the Vikings should offer a fair and competitive deal. Something like top 10-20 money, but not top 5……unless Rice can stay healthy and achieve solid numbers, then he would get top 5 money…….or something like that anyway! :)
If Sidney chooses not to resign with the Vikings, I would be more understanding if we pushed for a one year flyer on Plaxico or on a 3peat with Moss.
However I don’t believe a one year on Plaxico is such a good idea, because IF he does make a successful come back it would seem he will need at least one more year to fully get his legs back under him, much like Vick needed that year. But he’s kinda old for a wide receiver and last I checked his knees and ankles aren’t getting younger after the surgeries he’s had.
Moss is great… when he wants to play. We all know this. He showed it in NE, and here. When he’s not happy he makes it known, but when he’s into the game he’s uncoverable. But we won’t get into how he can possibly negatively affect a rookie QB.
On another note, I have yet to hear on where exactly Rice does want to sign. I’ve heard of possible suitors for him, but never who he wants to be with. Makes me believe he wants to stay, and his agent it making a play for more money, like chaosg stated.
I guess It can be simply put, I hope we do everything in our power to keep Sid the Kid.
Without Sid we're a 6 to 8 win team
With Sid we challenging for the playoffs. I hope we can sign him long term to an incentive laden deal better than anyone else can offer him.
We're challenging for the playoffs with a rookie QB?
I don’t share your optimism, but I hope you’re right.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 24, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
We have a very good defense, the best RB in the game, and some weapons on offense as well. We also have a great mixture of vets and youth in or entering their prime. The Bears are going down, Detroit is not there yet, and GB will be the team to beat.
a replacement for Berrian, who we signed before the season ended.
I say we got with Juaquin Iglesias, I think could replace Berrian easily. He is bigger, faster, and stronger then Berrian and has better hands.
I think his brother
Julio Ingleasis could replace Berrian based on Berrian’s previous stats with us.
(yes, that was a joke on the singer…before everyone jumps all over me) :-)
Rice is a long-term Viking investment
It should be remembered that he was drafted young. Yes, he’s a 4 year vet now, 2011 will be his 5th season… but he’s only 25 years old when the season starts. It’s entirely reasonable to expect that he has another 6 years of top performance left in him, if he can stay healthy. That’s really his only caveat, and if the Viking medical assessment thinks he’s good to go, it would be insane to let him go without making a full-out run to keep him.
The Vikings need to re-sign Rice to a lucrative, 6 year contract.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I agree
I dont blame him for shopping around he is a great WR and deserves to make his due. That said, I want to see Rice back in Purple this year And not Raven purple!
Where are we with the cap and such?
With Favre no longer sucklin’ at the teat, Ponders Rookie cap and Edwards likely, (unfortunate), departure we should be able to make Sid a great offer right?
Lame
Frankly I think that a decent chunk of our problems last season could be chalked up to this lame-@$$ not wanting to play and getting greedy.
If this dude bails, good riddance I say – he’s got a jerkwad for an Agent so he’s going to try and gouge us and he’s only had ONE freakin’ good season where he proved his worth. Sorry but until you can put up some consistent seasons, no way you deserve the money that your greedy a-hole agent is going to ask for, Rice.
Let him walk, we’ll find someone new. We’re going to be rebuilding for a LONG time anyway at this point. I’m prepared for us to suck for a few years at least. Time to build for the future with non-injury prone players.
Just my take, your mileage may vary.
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Please name a 25 yr old WR available that TRULY compares to Rice? Even if you can, I see a guy who dosent even know our system, getting paid the same amount of money. Keep Sid, he’s a game changer.
Our system is a new system now.
Nobody is familiar with it. That includes our likely starting QB.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 24, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
How about...
we just sign him to a new contract, but put in the contract that he has to dump his jack-wad agent!
if sid leaves.....dare i say it....
could randy moss actually be a possibility? now that chilly is out, and it appeared he was the one that wanted him out the most, is there any chance they try one more time with randy? im saying if sidney leaves and we cant get a vincent jackson or a big man through FA….is this a possibility?
I...just...uh...no
I can’t see Moss coming back for a third time.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
LOLOLOL
I figured some Moss apologist would post in here but seriously dude? ROFL!
Dude’s washed up and has a worse attitude than Bin Laden right before the bullet hit home.
Rice strategy
First, dump Berrian. Second, sign Rice if it can be reasonable, remember, he has only had one good year and lots of injuries. How is his hip? Third, move Webb to WR (where he was drafted) and add some Wild Cat plays. (This probably presumes signing McNab.) Run the “wildcat” with the QB on the sidelines. Should screw up defenses…
eh......
the wildcat is a gimmick at best. Miami is only team in recent memory to have a modicum of success with it, but, it did not carry them far. Webb is a QB. Learn it. Love it. Live it.
Agreed as well.......
Rice goes and gets the ball, which, in today’s game, is as important as speed. What is owed Berrian if he is let go? Is it Childress-like coin?
Isn't he under contract?...
To “dump” Berrian now, I presume that we have to buy out his contract? How does that work, what does it cost, cash and cap.
Does Berrian have any trade value?
Nobody else wants is performance cost ratio either. Can we restructure his contract and then trade him… I don’t s’pose that would be in Bernard’s favor…
I have no hard feelings for Rice
The guy got injured and believed it would heal on its own by the time the season started last year. He took a risk, in which it might heal on its own and it might end up requiring surgery. Surgery isn’t fun, so i don’t fault him for trying to do it without it first.
If you don’t want Rice on the team then you don’t want this team to be as fun and as competitive to watch as they possibly can. If some team trumps the Vikes in which it would sacrifice too much cap then its inevitable. However, with a long term deal (which he is looking for) it won’t hurt our cap room nearly as harsh as a 3 or 4 year deal. 6+ makes a huge difference.
Harvin should not and better not be moved outside. Well he can be but i’d be highly dissapointed in not using him where his skills are best suited. Thats like moving Matt Birk (when still with the Vikes) and moving him to Right Tackle. Sure you’d have a solid right tackle but you wouldn’t have the best Center.
Rice doesn’t drop passes, even when they aren’t on target, and whoever is at quarterback will need that skill set to throw too. I got high hope in Rick making Rice feel important to this team and making a deal work.
SKOL
No Maas
As much as I would love for the Moss story too find a happy ending, those dreams found a harsh reality last season. Randy’s shot at redemption has likely passed him by after failing with THREE teams in just one season. Moss is dead weight, so sad. The “FREAK” should have been the next Jerry Rice yet he cant hold a candle to the man. Imagine Jerry’s character and drive, on a 6’5" frame with 4.3 speed? Such a waste of talent, #84 Jersey back in mothballls.
can anyone say INCENTIVES??
I say give rice a nice 6 year deal but not a ton of guaranteed money but lot’s of big incentives!
if he performs like he should he makes the big money! but if he sucks or has injury problems he gets a minimal amount that will not kill the cap! I think Rice is a great player but with the hip he needs to prove himself one more time!
beat me to it
though i’m not sure he’d agree to an incentive-laden contract based on performance. make it based on games played, now we’re talking — i’m not convinced his hip won’t be an issue.
having said that, there will likely be at least one team out there that will offer him a big contract without any of that hubbub. i see him in St Louis.
people forget — Rice had one bomb year with one of the best QBs in NFL history at the helm, who also had arguably the best year of his career. to say “we can’t survive without Rice” is hogwash. yes, he’s young — but if there’s any doubt about his hip, it will most certainly show in what kind of contract we offer. that should (and will) be a solid indication of whether or not he is expendable or not.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Who was the catalyst for the good years?
In ‘09, a lot of Favre’s passes to Rice reminded me of Cunningham to Moss, just chuck a deep jump ball, Rice (or Harvin) will get it. Did Favre provide that judgement? It sure didn’t work in ’10 without Rice! I hope Harvin is healthy…
My two cents
With two stud tight ends, two stud running backs and Percy running around the middle, I don’t really see a long-ball offense coming. They really only need some sort of threat on the outside to open things up a bit, but not necessarily super stud receiver.
Comments?
I agree with you stilpony.
Ponder, from the video I’ve seen, has a very good arm, but it’s not the strongest one of all time. So I agree that our offense won’t be of the long ball variety. But it’s very important imo, to have someone to stretch the field with (i know, duh). In the event we don’t retain Rice, Mike Sims-Walker, Brandon Stokely, Santana Moss, or even someone like Micheal Spulock would prove to be pretty valuable (there’s probably better examples that people could come up with). I don’t even know what to think about Berrian cause no one’s going to want him for what he gets now. I wouldn’t even be opposed to Plaxico and (barf) Terrell is still talented but we don’t that kind of drama on the team.

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