Donovan McNabb Apparently On The Verge Of Becoming A Minnesota Viking
by Christopher Gates on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM CDT
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It appears that the latest occupant of the Minnesota Vikings Rest Home For Overaged Quarterbacks (™ Eric Thompson) will be one Donovan McNabb. According to numerous sources, the Redskins and Vikings have, indeed, worked out a deal to acquire McNabb from the Redskins. The terms will apparently be a sixth-round pick in 2012 and a conditional pick in 2013 that will be tied to the Vikings' performance.
According to Pro Football Talk, the deal could be getting held up due to a bruised ego on the part of McNabb. Sources are reporting that the Vikings' first choice for a veteran quarterback was to sign free agent Tyler Thigpen, who was a Viking for about five minutes after being drafted by the team in the seventh round of the 2007 NFL Draft. It appears that McNabb isn't terribly thrilled with that.
I'll be honest with you, ladies and gentlemen. . .if the NFL posted this as their FaceBook status, my response would be one of those lamenting spam messages asking why FaceBook doesn't have a "dislike" button. Yes, if Leslie Frazier and company think that this team has a shot at being a contender in 2011, then this might squeeze a couple more wins out of them than starting Christian Ponder or Joe Webb.
But if this team gets off to a 2-5 start and the team decides it's time to throw one of the young guys into the fire, how is McNabb going to react? I mean, this is a guy that got benched by "quarterback guru" Mike Shanahan. . .who hasn't really "gurued" anybody since John Elway, who really didn't need a whole lot of "guruing," but that's a different story all together. . .for Rex Grossman because Shanahan felt he was "better in the two-minute offense."
This isn't exactly the most ringing endorsement of all time.
But, it appears that the reality of Donovan McNabb to the Vikings is going to happen sooner rather than later, and if he's going to be this team's quarterback, then I suppose that the only thing to do is support the guy and cheer like heck for him on Sunday afternoons. No word on when the deal will become official, but when it does, we'll certainly have something about it here.
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I guess I'm OK with it
I don’t see how Christian Ponder will be ready for Week 1 with such a short time to get ready this year, so I’m OK with bringing in a veteran QB. McNabb is unarguably in the twilight of his career, but I think he still has something left in the tank. I’m holding out hope that he can perform somewhere on the scale of Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, or 2009 Brett Favre rather than Jim McMahon, Jeff George, Brad Johnson The Second Time, or 2010 Brett Favre.
That said, McNabb isn’t doing himself or anyone else any favors by pouting about not being our first choice. Honestly Donovan, you’d rather play out your dead-end time in Washington? Who cares if you weren’t the most coveted quarterback? Use that as motivation to play harder, not sulk harder.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Jul 27, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
He'll get cut by Washington
because there’s no way they pay him that $12 million salary
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Cut eventually,
but don’t they have until just before the first regular season game? That will be too late to bring in a new QB.
the difference is
the other veteran qb’s you mentioned were still having productive years. Mcnabb is not. He may only be 34 but he was worse last year than a 41 yr old qb that was battered and beaten.
add to that his pouting that the Vikes wanted someone else, I don’t see this as helping the vikes at all.
So true
Ponder didn’t have the time to get used to being a pro qb. Let the guy build up some confidence and knowledge before throwing him to the wolves.
Attitude...
Before he even gets here, wont earn him fans :(
**Rupert for ProBowl 2012!**
Here's where I'll get on board with the deal
if it means Sidney Rice looks at the QB situation here and in Seattle, and decides (logically) that the present and future is probably better here than there and signs back with the Vikes.
I mean, you’ve got Tarvaris Jackson and Matt Leinart vs. McNabb and Ponder. Am I being too much of a homer to say we have the more desireable QB options, both for 2011 and in the long term?
Yeah, of course I am.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Jul 27, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As a lion fan
I argued 3 years ago that T-Jack was the answer for you guys, and too many of the faithful here were all over #4’s nutz. Now look 3 years later and the Vikes are basically starting over again, when you guys had a young QB who took you guys to a 10-6 record and a home playoff game. The FO SCREWED over T-jack. I can’t argue the QB issue that you speak of with Rice wanting to play with this guy or that guy, but he isn’t just going to play with T-Jack IF he goes out to Seattle he will be playing with your X-OC as well. Out of curiosity why was your DE released? Was it a Cap move?
How many lumps you want Doc?
by davis0169 on Jul 27, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
in 2008 he started 5 games, ferrotte got us there and he threw away the eagles game
by redhearring on Jul 27, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh Thats right
He had the injury and he also had Rice go down at the beginning of the season. Thanks. I remembered that towards the end of that season T-Jack and Rice started hooking up on a serious note.
How many lumps you want Doc?
easy mistake, if you remember it was the lions who knocked gus out of the game, jerks
by redhearring on Jul 27, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Well to be honest
I use to smoke quite a bit of a certain substance so my memory is only so good. . . that’s my disclaimer by the way. LOL.
How many lumps you want Doc?
TJack had.....
arguably ONE “Holy shyt, this guy is good!” game in his Viking career——-the blowout in Arizona that season. Other than that, meh. Jump passes, missed throws, bad decisions and injuring AP prevailed.
How he scored an 8M contract is stunning.
I was there...
and yeah… we were amazed! but it was just one game.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 27, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
"jerks" to be taken very lightly
as I have been a closeted lions fan since barry
by redhearring on Jul 27, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry about it .
I’m a lions fan first a NFC NORTH fan second. I root hard for the Vikes/Pack when they are not playing my Lions. I want to like the Bears but most of their fans have turned me off so much I really can’t stand the team anymore.
How many lumps you want Doc?
You got that right!
I’m from Minny and grew up a Viking’s fan; moved to Wischeeseland about 10 years ago. I hated the packer’s fans back when I was in MN, but the hate really blossemed once I moved here!
My second week here involved an incident where one of them flipped my Viking’s hat off my head. Today, the shape of his nose reminds him that that was not a good decision on his part. :-)
I hear ya.
I grew up in Northern Wisconsin, now in Milwaukee. Growing up it was about as close to Greenbay as it is to the Cities, but my heritage is Norwegian so I chose the Viking basically as soon as I understood what football was. My middle name is Thor and that was my gramp’s name. Being a Viking’s fan is literally in my blood!
Oh yeah.
I moved to Madison just after the Packers won the Super Bowl in 1997. There were newspaper articles about whether the Packers would have an undefeated season the next year before they’d played a preseason game. Ugh.
try switching teams and see how you are treated
I used to be solid green and gold, but am now forever a Vikes fan(as long as they stay in Minn). It’s not that i followed farve, I didn’t want to be associated with their fan base anymore. They sickened me the last few years.
when i tell any gb fan that I left the family, they look at me like I decided to purposely inject myself with HIV.
Heh
I get a lesser version of that from my wife’s family. My mother-in-law cannot grasp why I’d stay a Vikings fan after living in Wisconsin for 14 years. But man, switching from the Packers to the Vikings? That’d be grounds for excommunication.
That's...
because GB fans think they’re the “best ever fans in the whole wide world” because that’s what the fawning NFL media tells them, over and over. Reality is that from what I’ve seen over 35+ years of fandom (not including my younger years) they’ve been some of the worst, most annoying fanboys ever. Hope they choke badly this year and every year. I hate most of ’em.
Love it Stillpony
I almost had a run in with a Fins fan who had a whole row to himself running backand forth and then having the nerve to tell my son who just got back from Iraq to sit down.
You can only imagine this “happy his Son is home” reaction. People were standing to watch the fiasco as I told the guy in some words not said here, that this kid was fighting gor your right to have the freedom to enjoy a game and cheer and your ticket doesn’t limit that right to you! If you talk like that again you will wish a pit bull were attacking rather than me. never blew up like that B4
AKA : Revenge4Webb
by CitrusFLViking on Jul 27, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
T-Jack
The problem with him is that he didn’t progress.
The issues that he had in his first year, remained the same issues he still had, 4 years later.
He STILL has a disturbing tendency to throw the ball at his reciever’s feet.
He’s STILL prone to panic when the D doesn’t do what he expected them to do.
He’s STILL prone to being lost when his first check-down isn’t where he’s supposed to be.
He STILL doesn’t perform well under pressure, being 3rd down, red zone, or 2 minute drills.
Watch him closely, see the panic in his eyes, and realize that this is not the guy you want your Super Bowl hopes riding on. He’s a 3rd string QB, that’s all. And fortunately for him, the NFL has 32 slots that were especially designed for guys with his level of ability.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
i understand what your saying DC
But a lot of young QB’s in this league have that “Deer in the headlights” look the first few years. Not everyone can just come in and be a Brady. Even Manning had that look his first year. But again I understand what you are saying about progress, we saw that same look in Joey “Happy feet” Harringtons eyes as well. As a devoted fan you can just tell if the guy has the “IT” and by all of your guys comments I am going to assume he just didn’t have “IT”.
How many lumps you want Doc?
The IT Factor
Honestly, I saw more of the IT Factor in Joe Webb’s performances last year, than I saw out of T-Jack in 4 years. Actually, that IT Factor in Webb is mostly what the Webb-Supporters are standing on. Watch his play on YouTube, I think you’ll see what I mean. And if you compare it to T-Jack, well…. it really makes T-Jack look inadequate.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Not reliable
It also seemed like every time they really needed him the dude was hurt. Like last year when Favre went down. How do you get injured when you’re not even playing?? I think that was the last straw as far as the Vikings were concerned. Gotta be able to play when called upon TJack. Can’t believe he parlayed his lame career into an $8M contract with Seattle. It’s a beautiful day …
T-Jack isn't a pocket quarterback
Childress was stupid to draft a motion quarterback and try to pound him into a drop-back system. Jackson might be okay if he’s used as a rollout, motion QB who has one or two targets, then runs. Otherwise he stands in the pocket, stares down his receiver, then delivers a ball at medium speed, a little behind and a little late.
Stupid draft pick. Bad fit. Wish him luck in Seattle.
all after jumping.
For the life of me, I cannot recall a pass he threw AFTER stepping up in the pocket. Usually after jumping, throwing off the back foot, or making a shoulder throw. His mechanics always made me cringe.
don't forget -- he's STILL injury prone, too
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Smoke weed much?
Tjack wouldn’t have taken us to the SB, which is the ultimate goal.
Favre would have taken us there if not for a few blunders.
Ahhhh you could say that angry. . .
Just because i helped the Dorito’s stock holders make millions all by my self should not make me a bad guy.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Jackson was terrible
TERRIBLE well he wasn’t that bad but he wasn’t that good either when Jackson ‘took’ us to 10-6 he had one of the NFL’s best run defenses and the NFL’s best running back. Trust me I’m not putting much of that burden on T-Jack… No if we’d had a solid Coach, and qb that year we would have ran deep into the play offs (although we did still have some receiver issues.)
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
wasn't that the year Frerotte was the starter most of the season...??
i think Lions’ fan needs to check his facts…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Meh I wanted to give TJ a feeling of victory.
I can be magnanimous in my victory.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
that's too big of a word for me right now...
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Good Move
I am ok with this move. McNabb is a solid vet, and as already stated, Ponder has a lot to learn.
Not sure I believe the pouting rumors either. I think he will be a postive influence.
I have no idea why they would pursue Thigpen..another fairly young guy when they really needed a vet.
Bringing in McNabb may help attract other vet free agents wo want to win now…maybe it convinces Rice to come back and sign for a few years..and maybe AP is more likely to sign longer term.
id guess they wanted thigpen to lose out the starting gig sooner than later
mcnabb has potential to ride the entire season, thigpen id guess not
by redhearring on Jul 27, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
McNabb should be thrilled.
I just see this as low risk, with high reward potential.
McNabb would be set up with some fantastic talent around him- and despite a horrible 2010, I think he still has some gas left in his tank… at least enough to give Ponder a year or two to study.
The best case scenario? McNabb completes an absolute offensive juggernaut with Rice(pleeeease), Harvin, Shanks, Rudolph, AD, Toby, and push towards being a threatening playoff contender.
The worst case scenario? We start 2-5, like Chris said, and Ponder/Webb get some good experience that could push them into 2012. All we’d be giving up, allegedly, is a 6th round draft pick.
LET’S GO!
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Jul 27, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
I think the way to approach this should be based on performance
We should wait until week 5 or so. What is the record? Is he the reason we are where we are at that point? Only then can we make valid/reasonable adjustments. I believe he has a shot at being great one last time. Its really up to him to play with a chip on his shoulder. I remember he was benched by the eagles, and he came back with a winning attitude.
I sure hope Fraz has the testicular fortitude to bench/promote if the time comes…
McNabb......
It appears that his skills have been diminishing gradually over the past few years. I don’t think the Shanahans EVER wanted him as their QB, that he was a Snyder move only. IF he can remain healthy, and minimize mistakes, his experience can pay dividends.
The big question then is——-does he have the right stuff in terms of leadership to guide this team? And, is he MOTIVATED to chase that which has eluded him, as it has this organization?
The success of the 2009 Vikings centered primarily around a highly motivated QB, with diminishing physical skills, who was able to put the team on his back and take it as far as he could.
That is what I am unsure McNabb is capable of doing.
by Mel Allen on Jul 27, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
All he needs to do is show me some heart and I am all in.
As long as Don McNabb shows some fight, I do not see what is bad with this move. These pre-trade shenanigans are all tactics to save $100 here and $20 there…That is not the kind of attitude Don is known for. Agents handle these things and float these stories.
OK I have to ask this guys.
McNabb has (Threw out his career) not been all that accurate with intermediate routes and isn’t that kind of what the Vikes are running, I know you have a new coach and all but I thought I heard him say he was going to run a kind of west coast offense. That really isn’t 1 of McNabbs strengths the last 4 or 5 years.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Fair Point
Honestly, I’ve never followed McNabb closely enough to know what his Achilles Heel actually is, so I’ll give you this one until someone offers proof otherwise.
But here’s the counter-point; we don’t know exactly what sort of offense the Vikings will be installing this year. Yes, we have some guesses, some pretty good ones, but we also have an OC (Musgrave) who stated that he’s going to build around the player’s abilities, not try to shoehorn the players into some master plan.
So whatever McNabb’s abilities are, the Vikings will play to maximize them, and minimize his deficiencies.
With that attitude, I think he’ll do just fine.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
For you guys that is good news.
To know that you have a OC that isn’t stuck to a scheme that may or may not work. Alla Mike Martz
How many lumps you want Doc?
McNabb in Purple
I mean, this is a guy that got benched by “quarterback guru” Mike Shanahan. . .who hasn’t really “gurued” anybody since John Elway, who really didn’t need a whole lot of “guruing,” but that’s a different story all together. . .for Rex Grossman because Shanahan felt he was “better in the two-minute offense.”
This isn’t exactly the most ringing endorsement of all time.
Really?
The coach who’s proven to have flakey QB judgement, puts together a losing season, mishandles McNabb and then decides not to keep him. Very Chilly-like. Sounds like an endorsement for McNabb.
I’m glad we’re getting him. He has a lot of experience in the NFL to pass on to our young guns, and even if he plays like his own second coming, he’ll likely get injured half way through the season and Ponder/Webb will take the reins. But in the meantime, he’ll do the veteran mentoring we need and give the Vikings the solid jump-off that they need this year.
And it’s hard to argue with the price :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
How much is he costing us in cap space?
and is that stopping us from picking up a solid OLine man or a decent Safety?
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Good questions
With so much in flux right now, I just hope our FO has been using the quiet of the past few months to work out an acquisition plan that they’re now executing with success. Fingers crossed.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the hold up is
the vikes want him to renegotiate a new contract.
Do you guys think McNabb will take the diminished salery
And isn’t it nice to actually have some Football to talk about?
How many lumps you want Doc?
Yes and yes.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
two 6 round picks
thats not too bad
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
Now vs the Future
If you are a Vikings fan living in the “now,” and hoping for instant success, this is the right move. Donovan McNabb takes the Vikings out of “rebuilding mode,” and allows free agents—who once planned to leave the Twin Cities—to now consider the potential the Vikings have to contend (contend, meaning back-dooring into a wild card spot or something…the Packers are still the Packers). However, if you are a Vikings fan concerned with the long-term, hoping Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford or Mark Sanchez kind of results from Christian Ponder, you have to be irked with this. Granted, does Ponder have the offense down pat yet? Hell no. Thanks, lockout. But if the last couple years have shown NFL fans anything, it’s that it’s okay to place your stock in a rookie quarterback; you just have to take the “rebuilding mode” stigma that comes along with him. Me? I’m happy with the move. The NFC North is very real, very stacked. We have to contend right now.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Well stated
I think we’re in a good position, with McNabb, for now AND for the future. The NFC North is probably the most competitive division in the NFL right now, and for at least the next 5 or 6 years. We have to step up, or be stepped on.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
What do you mean 5 or 6 years?
And I’m assuming that Ponder will be a good QB here. All of the QB’s in this division are VERY young. We are all set to make the North the dominant Division for the next decade.
How many lumps you want Doc?
when you guys get a offensive line you will be dominant,
I just hope Stafford can last that long.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Is it weird...
…that I bought my first fantasy football magazine last week, flipped to the “who has the best at each position” section, and the Vikes have the North’s best O-line? I mean, that’s freakin’ fantastic, but I never would have guessed it. And it bodes very well for McNabb who has never ever ever ever ever gotten enough protection.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
???? In Philly he had 1 of the better O-lines.
They just never gave him any weapons to work with. WR’s i am referring to.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Eh
…not so sure. He was sacked over 350 times in 10 seasons with Philly. That’s 35 a season and a couple per game…and entirely too many for a guy who spent many of his years with a run-first mindset. I’m just saying, those may be average stats, but the Vikings should provide above average protection.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah you should,
Last year was a down year for your O-line, but was it really a down year or was it all the front 7’s in the NFC North just got that damn good. GB found a gem in Mathews, Chicago lucked the F out with Peppers, and we struck GOLD with Suh and Kyle Vanden Bosh. And of course you guys have the Williams boys with Allen.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Well let's see you have the Bears
who are embarrasing and rebuilding, Detroit who is still trying to stack up on the skilled positions and Greenbay with two older Tackles creaking away on the outsides. Not really saying much I guess…
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
One of the creakers is gone
I think GB cut Tauscher. After his turnstile-like performance in 2009 I can’t believe the recovery he made last year. Should be interesting to see how their OL performs this year. Of course I’m sure all of their fans believe that each one is the second coming of Jerry Kramer.
Some mistakes
1) Tauscher didn’t play much in 2010…most of the year it was Bulaga who got better as the year went on.
2) The turn style you are probably think of in 2009 was Allen Barbre who is now in Seattle. Tauscher came back in the last half of the year and played pretty well…it was only the first half of the year where the Oline was terrible with sacks and that was cause both Clifton and Tauscher were gone then.
While the Pack do have some tackles that are long in the tooth (Tauscher since he’s not cut yet and Clifton) they also have spent the last two first round picks on tackles in Bulaga and Sherrod. Bulaga played one game on the left last year (against Buffalo) and most of the year on the right side. Handled himself pretty darn well (may not be the second coming of Kramer, but he played much better than McKinnie or Loadholt).
Sherrod is an unknown, but has the build and seems to have the talent. Only time will tell there. At least the Packers have a plan.
by PackApologist on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd say Baluga is a better tackle than Mt McKinney just yet
But then that is just be. Rodgers got pretty good at throwing quick passes in 2009 and continued to work on that in 2010..
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Someone will screw up
Someone always does.
Or maybe it’ll be an injury.
Or the wrong HC being hired.
No one’s dominance lasts forever, and you multiply it x4 teams, well…. someone will screw up.
Til then, the NFC North is going to be one brutally tough division. As it should be. The old NFC Central used to be called the ‘Black and Blue Division’ because all the teams used to play tough, hard football. I think the NFC North will continue that tradition.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Although now most of the NFC north is passing
where in the day it was a running slug fest when you came up here… If are new stadium has no dome that would be pretty sweet…
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
If the North does not represent the NFC
In the SB at least 6 to 8 times in the next 10 years, I will be shocked. Look what else is really out there, Matt Ryan? Josh Freeman? Bradford? Bree’s is old going to be 33 when the year starts, Romo is not all that, Vick is going to be out of football when his legs get broke this year from running so much. not really anything out West to talk about until Bradford gets some weapons. The South has 2 teams and the East really does not have any real QB’s to speak of. I don’t think Romo/Vick/Manning Jr are all that.
How many lumps you want Doc?
to bleedpurple426
I am in agreement of your post. However. I am looking to the future. The worst case scenario is that we end up missing the playoffs with a winning record. One of the delights of having ponder start is that if he sucks, we can draft high again the next year. Yah I know Peterson, Allen et all are aging fast, but McNabb could easily keep the Vikings mediocre for many seasons to come (as we could very well be in the same situation we were in before mcnabb came)
Yikes!
Doesn’t it bother you that you’re seemingly OK with the idea that we wasted a 1st round draft pick on a guy who “might suck?” I don’t want to just hope for the best with Ponder and draft high again next year. How did that work out for the Panthers and Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike and Cam Newton? Carolina is the laughing stock of the NFL. If you’re going to look to the future, look forward to the QB Ponder could become after being groomed a couple years behind McNabb. Trust me, you don’t want Ponder starting when today, July 27, 2011, is his first day of organized team activities.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
McNabb is 34. We’ll find out just how old that really is when he takes his first snap vs. San Diego. Thanks for the “well stated” compliment, DC. Feels so good to be posting on here again.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know if Shanahan benching him is such a bad thing
Shanahan hasn’t exactly shown the greatest judgment lately. And post-Elway (who didn’t need Shanny’s help at all) what has made him earn the QB guru tag? Griese had one good year, Plummer was hot and cold, and in Washington he’s seemed rather clueless. Maybe McNabb will prove him wrong. Hopefully at least.
sounds like Shanahan earned that tag as well as Childress did...
and we all saw how well that panned out… :p
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
GOD I LOVE FOOTBALL!!!
McNabb!!! HELLS YEAH!
would I be happier with a Brees, Manning, or Brady… sure! But McNabb is no slouch.
let’s hope he compliments our other talents and our OLine really can keep him upright.
WOOOOOOOOOO!!! FOOOOOOOOTBALL!!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 27, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
+1 to your exuberance!
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
So I ask again,
Why did you guys let go of your DE? I would have let go of the older Williams at DT before a younger DE that was damn good 2 years ago, not sure about last year.
How many lumps you want Doc?
He's just after more money, Davis
Now that Charles Johnson has re-signed with Carolina with a mind-blowingly huge contract, Ray Edwards (the guy you’re referring to) won’t settle for anything that’s not close to that. And we won’t give it to him…which I’m fine with. We have Jared Allen on one end. Edwards is real young and real good, but his shoes shouldn’t be too terribly tough to fill.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
TY Edwards is who I was talking about
And It is a Cap issue. How strapped are the Vikes with the Cap. I know your not in as bad a situation as say the Cowboys or Jets are. I thought you guys had some play especially with Favre retiring that had to free up like 10 million or so.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I think it's around $100M or so
After the signings of Aromashodu (WR, Bears) and McNabb, it should be right around there. We have money to spend, but I just don’t think over-paying Edwards is something we’re interested in doing. We’ll offer him what we think is fair and not a dime more. It’s hard to talk about Ray Edwards like he’s disposable/replaceable, but if there’s a player out there in free agency that we need to offer a big boy contract, it’s in the secondary (Johnathon Joseph, Bengals, Asomugha, Raiders, etc.).
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Edwards also had/has an attitude problem
bickering with and pushing around rookies. big bad Ray Ray, can’t even pick on someone his own size…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
You guys have had very good luck with Vet's coming in and starting
Maybe not SB luck but damn good luck none the same, From Cunningham to Favre the Vikes have done pretty well with FA’s that come here to play. May McNabb be as good for you as Cunningham was. Too bad for McNabb he does not have a Carter and Moss tandem out there like Randel did.
How many lumps you want Doc?
We have experience at it
Been bringing in used up has beens for a long time now… Sooner or later you’re going to get good at it.. :p
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
How about Donovan playing indoors in the dome instead of outside in the Washington weather?
Might help him a bit. I think he’ll have a chip and end up being serviceable. Plus Ponder needs tutoring. I like it.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Anybody else think the reason we avoided Hasselbeck
is that we don’t need two crazy right wing conservative women in this state. (Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Bachman)
Just a little joke, but I didn’t realize Hass was 36 and Donovan is 34 is all. I thought they would be flip flopped if I had to guess.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
You’re thinking of Tim Hasselbeck….who the Vikings also don’t need.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Right. Thanks. My mistake
But my joke didn’t work that way :)
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Elizabeth has a good arm
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
she uses her legs quite well, too...
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Ray Edwards was a above average to good defensive end for us but he should have excelled with the defensive line we had when he played here. I think the Vikings think they will get equal play with Robison at defensive end. I tend to agree, Robison has always played well for us when he has rotated in. I’m excited for him to start.
Orton
Not sure what kind of price tag Orton would have come with, but he would have been the right guy to target. He’s a guy that could step in and be the Vikings QB for the next few years if Ponder turns out to be a bust. Don’t think McNabb has much left in the tank. At least he is a cheap option albeit a bad QB. Maybe his greatest appeal or best asset is his leadership skills. I believe he is a good lockerroom guy and players like him. We’ll find out soon enough when we start calling for ponder in week 6…
The quandary with Orton.......
is he would expect to be in place as a starter for an extended period of time. That is not part of the Vikings plan.
Plan?
Not sure what Orton’s contract looks like, but I would like him to be the starter for an extended period (2-3 years). Seems like that would be a safer plan. They would be able to let Ponder develop at his own rate. I also think Orton is a good fit for what the vikings want to do and a better QB than McNabb. Oh Orton, forever underrated.
cheap price to pay for an experienced vet QB
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
noodle
No kidding?
He’s taking a break from his multi-million dollar earning vacation? :D
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
"No, not that way, Mr. Noodle!"
He had very glowing reviews of Donovan’s character and work ethic and his grasp of the two-minute drill. He hinted that the issues with Shannahan might have been personal, which is plausible to me, because Shannahan seems like a huge douche.
I am cautiously optimistic about #5 coming in to help Ponder and Webb develop. McNabb seems like he is approachable and willing to help the rookies. I hope it works out.
Bryant McKinnie sucks!
by WilkesViking on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
step aside, McRibb
…better find yourself another number. “5” is Lord Kluwe’s domain…
unless they can somehow work magic & give Kluwe “0”, which I’m sure he’d appreciate with his sense of humor. :D
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Jul 27, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
kluwe doesn't need a number, he needs a big "@" symbol with "warcraft" on his back.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
As soon as I hit 'post'...
…I realized that McNabb will soon find himself picking another number.
Personally, I think Kluwe’s jersey number should be +5.
Bryant McKinnie sucks!
by WilkesViking on Jul 27, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if that was part of the contract?
Maybe we get to see how important a punter really is lol.
I know other teams in the past have had guys give up their numbers for $tuff..
**Rupert for ProBowl 2012!**
i can't believe i just followed a focking tweet!
@ChrisWarcraftChris Kluwe :
So here’s the deal. If McNabb comes and wants 5, it’s his, BUT he has to promise to mention Tripping Icarus in at least 5 press conferences.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
There's this:
“Also, I will take number 4, since pi is not an option.”
#iwantanimaginarynumber, #Brettwontmindright
Bryant McKinnie sucks!
by WilkesViking on Jul 27, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's listen to what he says carefully and do the opposite...
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
jake delhomme was released today, i guess he is available now.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2011-nfl-free-agency
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Clayton tweeting that McNabb is most likely going to accept the trade to Minny. Thank God he didn’t get off to a bad start with the organization.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 27, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Thats going to be an awesome press con!
So are you happy to be in Minnesota?
Totally!
**Rupert for ProBowl 2012!**
It Is Not July 2009
If Favre had not been available two years ago, McNabb would have made sense as the veteran QB needed to try and put a good ready-to-win-now veteran team over the top.
But now, McNabb is not the answer. We do not need a past-his-prime veteran (with issues winning in big games) on what is obviously a re-building team.
I agree that McNabb wll probably win seven games for the Vikings instead of five this season, but I don’t see what this move accomplishes long-term, which is what this team needs to be thinking about. A cheaper veteran to take some hits while Ponder learns the ropes would have made more sense.
by Midnight Rambler on Jul 27, 2011 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
I'm beginning to think that the Vikings select their QBs based on age
Of all the possible options select the oldest QB available. I was hoping this year we were going to go with the young guns. Oh well here we go again!
If that's true...
we’re getting younger! yay!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jul 27, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
As I wrote, I don't know how to feel...
about McNabb individually. I’ve gotta throw my support behind the IDEA, however. I’m not a big fan of starting a drafted rookie, even a first round draft, right out of the gate. Let Ponder sit for a while- be it a full season or not- learn the ropes, observe a vet in action and hopefully learn some things from him. I still see this as a reloading move- we’re mentoring our future SB winning QB, grooming him for a more secure and succesful future.
And above all else, I’m fine with McNabb being the one who gets his head torn off behind our O-line, rather than Ponder… G-d I hope we fix that problem come 2012.
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On McNabb
So I watched him for a decade here in Philly and I followed what happened in Washington. The Skins were terrible last year, didn’t protect hm and they had no WRs, plus they didn’t coddle him. I think Andy Reid did coddle him and he needed that.
Frankly I do think he has some left in the tank. He’s still got a huge arm, still can read a defense. He’s never going to be very accurate and he’s not the athlete he once was, but I think in the right situation, he can still play.
What he won’t do and what no one should expect of him, is be a “mentor” to guys like Ponder and Webb. You’ll see that story written a hundred times, he might even pay lip service to it… but he is not the kind of guy that’s going to graciously help out the young kid that’s gunning for his job. And to be fair, most guys aren’t, so it’s not really a criticism, just the way it is.
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i heard rumors you might be getting our boy ray edwards. that's a good score if you do.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Nobody in Seattle thinks TJ is " The QB of the future "
Not Pete Carroll not John Schnider not the players or the fans. He was brought in to compete with Charlie Whitehurst to start this year . If he does well great. If not so what. We will be drafting a QB next year. The Seahawks are in rebuild for now and the FO is concerned with other things like finding a #1 receiver. Well , actually we got one today.
I hope Sidney Rice regrets going to Seattle...
…because I regret buying his damn jersey. The Vikings should have cut ‘B_twice’ and figured out a way to keep Sidney instead. But going to Seattle is going to be a bummer for him, me thinks.
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