Sunday Free Agency/Start Of Training Camp Open Thread
by Christopher Gates on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM CDT
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I know that Ted said yesterday was going to be the last of the open threads, but since there could still be some movement on the free agent front today, and today is the official start of Training Camp in Mankato, I'll throw another one out here, too.
One of the things that prompted this is the word that the New York Jets are going to sign wide receiver Plaxico Burress to a contract. This is big because they were also rumored to have been in the race for wide receiver James Jones, along with the Packers and your Minnesota Vikings. Now that they've signed Burress, it's quite possible that the price tag for Jones. . .as well as for Braylon Edwards, if the Vikings would still be inclined to look that direction. . .might end up dropping because of this.
Jones was third on the Packers last season in terms of receptions with 50 (only one less than the person ahead of him) and second on the team in receiving yardage with 679. As I mentioned, with the Jets having signed Plaxico, it appears that the race to acquire his services might be between Minnesota and Green Bay, and I'm not really sure how much interest the Packers have even shown in keeping him around. . .but, if he doesn't get any action from there, there's a chance that he could be coming to Minnesota for a discount.
In addition, today is the day that players officially report to Training Camp in Mankato. As of now, the Vikings have only completed the rookie contracts for three of their ten draft picks. . .tight end Kyle Rudolph, wide receiver Stephen Burton, and defensive end D'Aundrae Reed. . .but I'm sure that the rest of the contracts will start falling into line here pretty soon. Quarterback Christian Ponder is one of ten first-round picks that have not yet signed. J.J. Watt of the Houston Texans, who was taken with the selection right before Ponder, has not yet signed either, but Detroit Lions' defensive tackle Nick Fairley, the thirteenth pick, got a four-year deal worth $9,889,900, so one would expect Ponder's deal to be just slightly higher than that.
To recap what has taken place in Minnesota over the past few days:
- The Vikings said goodbye to some folks, including quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, wide receiver Sidney Rice, safety Madieu Williams, and defensive end Ray Edwards. Jackson and Rice went to Seattle, and Edwards wound up with Atlanta. Williams, on the other hand, might be looking for a job for a while. . .but certainly not because he's a bad person.
- The Beloved Purple also said hello to a few new faces, most notably quarterback Donovan McNabb, who they acquired for the bargain-basement price of two sixth-round draft choices (one of which is a conditional choice) from the Washington Redskins. They also brought in former Saints' defensive tackle Remi Ayodele, and wide receiver Michael Jenkins, late of the Atlanta Falcons, whom you can read about here.
- Word on the Twitter is that defensive tackle Fred Evans, who had been let go by the team after last season, has re-signed with the team at a discounted price.
That's it for now, ladies and gentlemen. . .discuss all of the news you see out there today right here, and if anything big happens with our favorite team, we'll be on it as soon as it breaks.
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Forget about WR...
We would be crazy not to look at Olin Kruetz! That signing would be huge, in my opinion. The O-line hasn’t been the same since we lost Birk. I think too often the center position gets undervalued, but having a vet would certainly help against guys like Suh/Fairley.
I agree
Kreutz would be a nice get. Not sure what kind of price tag he’s going to carry, though.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 31, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
No, Sullivan is actually better
I hate to drag out Pro Football Focus, but these guys are the shit in figuring out how good a guy is, with +/-0 is league average.
Last year, Kreutz was an overall -18.8, Sully was a -8.9.
Matt BirK? +24.2.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Zing!
Wow, that’s a serious differential. I don’t always agree with PFF’s conclusions, but that big a difference is pretty damned conclusive.
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but hey, kreutz is 34. if we get him, he will make the rest of the line appear younger!
i’m not suggesting he is any better, but he is a better pass protector than sullivan per pff.
i still want an upgrade to mr. calf injury. i’ve seen with my wns eyes how bad he can be.
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I remember Phat Pat harshing on Kreutz several years ago.
I think Kreutz was good back then. The Bears Oline was awful last year – particularly the first half of the season. Don’t know Kreutz’s role in all of that, but I think it is safe to say that Sullivan has not been good.
Pro Football Focus may say one thing...
but nothing is more exact than Madden rankings!
by Wu on Jul 31, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Also via Twitter
Sixth-round pick Mistral Raymond has agreed to a deal with the Vikings.
Apparently another sixth-rounder, Brandon Fusco, had a deal done yesterday as well.
That would leave the Vikings with Ponder, Christian Ballard, Brandon Burton (5th round), DeMarcus Love (6th), and Ross Homan (6th) yet unsigned.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM CDT reply actions
oy
How have we not signed the QB kid yet lol
**Rupert for ProBowl 2012!**
Dang
Isn’t Ballard supposed to be getting some good playing time this year? i thought it was him, Rudolph and Burton with a chance at some snaps, along with Homan getting Special Teams PT
CJK22
The rookies are not going to make much of an impact this year
but having them for 2012 and beyond is when we should look for some production.
Right now the Vikings have KWill, Ayodele, Guion, Evans, and then Ballard. I really do not see how he can crack that lineup as a 4th round pick.
He was a 4th round pick
with 2nd round talent.
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by Ihatethefudgepackers on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Ballard is a DT/DE combo
I bet he moves around alot, up and down the line.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
and he'll friggin' rock
in a few years he’ll be comparable to Ray Ray — hopefully w/o the attitude.
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so its over then....
no suprises today, just our rookies signing….
this is our team
McNabb / Ponder
AP/ Toby
Tahi
Shank/ Roudolph/ Jimmy
Jenkins/ BB/ PERCY/ Aromashadu
Well, lets hope the DEF is really really really nasty this year
Tahi isn't still with the team...is he??
i haven’t seen anything to say the Vikes re-signed him. D’Imperio can probably do just as good at a much cheaper price, or just utilize more H-back sets (i see the latter happening).
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
i want a real one, like mclain or leach...but i liked d'imperio in preseason last year.
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I hope they announce a new deal for AP & Chad
These two need their contracts restructured/extended immediately if the Vikings are going to have money to sign any more free agents.
AP is going to break the bank with a deal somewhere around 6 year 60 million.
Greenway is looking at a little more than Posluzny.
Here is what Paul Posluzny received …
7/26/2011: Signed a six-year, $42 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. 2011-2016: Under Contract, 2017: Free Agent
So how much should Greenway receive? I do not think he is going to get that 10 mil per year that the franchise tag is set at. I mean he did not even make the Pro Bowl or All Pro.
I mean how much would you guys/girls be willing to give? What would be your max? I am thinking 6 year 45 mil with maybe 18 mil guaranteed.
What if Greenway does not accept the offer from the Vikings? Suppose he wants close to 10 mil per year? Is he worth that? Patrick Willis is only averaging about 7.64 mil per year.
The Vikings would have to consider trading Greenway if he would not agree to a contract extension at a reasonable and fair amount.
I know it is crazy or even sacrilege to even suggest it but it has to be a consideration.
I wonder if Philly would trade DeSean for Chad straight up?
wouldn't chad be more expensive then desean if he the franchise tag on him?
and the eagles must be getting close to the cap
Greenway likes playing in MN
As far as I could tell before we franchised him, he would have taken any offer the Vikings gave him over other teams. I highly doubt restructuring his contract is going to be an issue.
Per Frazier on ESPN 1500
We’re set at WR. ‘These are the guys we’re going to roll with, barring anything unforseen."
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Before we go Riot in Minneapolis let’s give Frazier a chance. Maybe he’s right about Berrian. Who knows? We still have some money to spend. maybe we can use it on our secondary.
by Coolio12 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As if...
anyone is really afraid of a Viking fan riot…
Viking fan" “I want a better stadium than this dump!”
Government: “Go stand in the corner again.”
Viking fan: “Yes, ma’am. So sorry to disturb you. I’ll never dare to look down at your shoes like that again.”
BB...
We are sticking with BB?! Just from a value standpoint he should be booted. I would rather have Mark Clayton at a better price…and he has better hands.
Can’t believe with Floyd, Steve Smith, Jones, Houshman, and even Moss still available we are going to stick with BB.
Isn't this the same Bernard Berrian
that had 7 TDs and 964 yards while T-Sux was throwing to him? It’s not like he sucks, he has the ability. Not to mention he had to compete with Sidney Rice, Shank, and Harvin in a Brett Farve/ Chilly ran offense last year. I hope Berrian does good this year so I can listen to you kiss ass about him.
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by Ihatethefudgepackers on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
So one good year?
Sorry, but I wasn’t all over Rice’s nuts over one great season…not going to flip over one decent season by BB either. And wasn’t Ferrote throwing to him that season?
It was a combination of such QB talents as
Kelly Holcombe, Brooks Bollinger, Tavaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte.
He also had a decent year in 09.
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by Ihatethefudgepackers on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the problem, though
He’s getting paid pretty good money to put up decent numbers. I just think that, for the money, we could do better than BB.
Can't bitch about doing better for the money on the Vikings unless you are talking about Mckinnie
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by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
damn right we canf
i said it in another thread, but BB has never put up 1,000yds or double-digit TDs in a single season. hopefully he’s taking a pay cut and we just haven’t heard about it yet…doubtful…
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
that was 3 years ago. and it was nothing spectacular.
what about 09 and last year…his mediocre stats dropped like a pass off his hands.
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Lions signed Tulloch...160 Tackles last year.
Thanks for the year Red Wings!! Come back strong in 2012
Ross Homan signed
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over
The sound of HOW AWESOME IT IS TO HAVE SO MANY OSU GUYS ON THE ROSTER! WOOOOOOO!!!
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by Ted Glover on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
how awesome is it to have so many ncaa violations on the roster !
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Think we should look at secondary help
Carlos Rogers is still out there, I believe. Or even Donte Whitner. I would rather pick up Rogers and then move Griffin to safety.
Ponder's Twitter message
“Just signed! It feels great to officially be a Minnesota Viking! Thanks to the whole Viking family for giving me the opportunity!”
11 mil...
I would be elated with receiving that windfall as well. Seeing as we have officially tabbed Ponder as the future and have McNabb as a stopgap can we please, please move Webb over to WR and get his immensely talented rear on the field? I think the combo of Jenkins, Webb, and Harvin could be one of the better receiving groups in the league.
I'd be exstatic too
11 mio garanteed pretty much ensures you don’t have to work after your life in the NFL – if you go about it reasonably.
by twinscrazy_german on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
unless you are stupid enough to buy everything you see
but ponder is a smart kid so i don’t foresee that
Unless he really shines this year
I don’t think McNabb will be with the Vikings for more than a year. Then it will be Ponder and Webb as our number one and two quarterbacks. I believe that is the FO’s plan, as things now stand.
I thought he signed a 2-3 year deal.
Didn’t he? I read somewhere that he expects to play for the Vikings for 2-3 years. My impression was that he was told he would start this year, compete with Ponder in Year two, and then probably be the backup in his final year. Anyone else hear similar stuff?
So depressing the news that our team thinks Berrian is good enough to keep and that we probably won't get any more WRs.
Ugh. It’s enough to drop my interest level for the start of the season a good few percentage points, already. It’s a big sign that Frazier isn’t as sharp as we’d hoped, that’s for certain. I’ll hold out hope that they actually get a bona fide #1 WR in Jones or Edwards or Floyd but I’m not holding my breath.
Sigh. Gonna be a long season, I fear. Here’s to hoping against hope that it’s not the case, though.
Coach --- unless unforseen happens
I believe he said somethng like unless something unforesee happens - like - we were able to sign a better WR
Who wears 10 on the Vikings? I think we have an opening.
by Simply_Greatness on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Where have we heard this before?
Fat Albert Haynesworth didn’t participate in the Patriot’s practice yesterday. Haynesworth, Ohco …. now they just need to re-sign Moss. Big Bill must be really confident in his ability to control malcontents and headcases.
i thought haynesworth can't practice quite yet
because of the new CBA and the clause regarding players that have been traded. I know that ocho can’t quite practice either.
I thought that too
but when reporters pressed Belichick for the reason why Haynesworth wasn’t there, he made no mention of the CBA and only said “He’s not quite ready to practice yet.”
This was a deal that made absolutely no sense to me. Haynesworth staged a one man mutiny in Washington because he refused to play in a 3 -4 defense. So the Pats bring him in to play nose in their 3 – 4??? What could possibly go wrong?
The Pats are adjusting their defensive philosophy.
That’s one reason they went after Fat Albert. They are moving to more of a 4-3 scheme and targeted him. Intelligent move. They went after someone who has proven he can excel in the scheme they want to employ more often. They gave up very little to get that player. AND- they have an established track record of making these malcontent players conform – OR they get rid of them. I am confident Belichick has already made it abundantly clear that Ochocinco and Haynesworth are on a short leash as far as any outlandish behavior. He would never blink an eye if they screw up – and they will be cast aside, I admire the Patriot approach and especially like how they have high expectations of their personnel. One or both of these players will put up great numbers this year – that’s my expectation.
I'll say this.
Pay me $100M and I’d probably opt for bathing in champagne rather than running windsprints in the summer and getting the snot knocked out of me throughout the fall. Can’t you just see that Haynesworth is just a misunderstood teddy bear at heart?
Haynesworth wasn’t a FA he was traded so he can practice
by MNVIKS13 on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why not McNabb?
…then why can’t McNabb practice. He was traded?
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sharp as a Fox...
I think that Frazier is sharp enough to know you don’t show all your cards, all the time.
fair point
But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out paying 6+ mil for a WR who has had 2 pretty crap years, is a good use of cap space. Even if we cut him and added someone younger for cheaper. The dude is 30 and has sucked it up at our expense for 2 years…. I would rather have madieu than berrian.
by FSUViking on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Id rather give someone a 1 year, 4 or 5 mil contract than have berrian, I mean if we had offered plax that, he would’ve jumped at it,
by FSUViking on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They Are.
I’m not a fan of Rex Ryan and I can’t say I respect the tone of that franchise. But, they are a 10-win team for sure. The Eagles are vastly improved, the Cowboys will be better, and I feel every NFC Central team is actually on the upswing. To me, the Vikes are treading water at best. It pains me to say it, but I think this franchise is in a lot of trouble, not only on the field as our competition improves, but off the field in regard to remaining in Minnesota. I hate that this has all unfolded as it has, but sure looks depressing to me right now. I don’t believe in praying for miracles. There are many enormous challenges facing the franchise at this time. Being competitive within our own Division seems like enough of a hurdle. Toss in all the off-the-field concerns and it is a bit overwhelming.
funny you mentioned the 3 teams i hate the most...
…outside of our division. i don’t like the Cowboys, but the Jets and Eagles are just pulling Yankee-style moves. they’ll always be in the mix with rosters like that, and i hope it bites them in the ass and they screw themselves next year or two years from now and have to let some young, talented players go b/c of it.
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
no thanks on Madieu :) but...
…. I agree about Berrian. He was a borderline starter in my eyes BEFORE he started to have leg issues. Now, his contract is the glaring issue more than his lack of production. My guess is that he has been amenable to a restructured contract, and that would be the only reason the team might be keeping him. If that is not the case, then I think the Vikings are making a terrible mistake by retaining him. My hope is that we are not yet being apprised of a restructuring, or he is going to be released soon. I still want us to go get Flyd first; then deal with BB.
agreed
I was just trying to get the point across that id rather pay 3mil than 6mil, either way neither deserve those amounts given their very clear lack of production. We have to restructure BBs . I will be more than upset if we don’t, we could’ve had someone better for less than what he is scheduled to make, or hell cut him and use the space for chad or ap.
by FSUViking on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lofa Tatupu has been released
do we take a chance?
by valhallas_own28 on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
Tatupu on the decline...
… but if he could be had cheap, I think he is worth bringing in. With him, I feel his mental outlook is the big concern. If he seems hungry again, I feel he could produce at a high level again. But his last few seasons, he has been disappointing. Still worth looking at based upon his earlier success.
too much money
I would explode if you made that move, but if he leaves the Seachickens because they asked him to take a pay cut, not so sure we have the money to bring him in.
Camp bodies
The latest — so far I’ve seen this on KFFL but nowhere else (they list themselves as the source).
The Minnesota Vikings have signed free-agent RB Tristan Davis (Dolphins), TE John Gilmore (Buccaneers), OG Scott Kooistra (Ravens), DL Cedric McKinley (Vikings) and LB Mark Washington (Cardinals) to undisclosed contracts.
Hmmm. Who are they?
Makes me think I’m a bit too focused on the Vikings these days. Other teams had players with these names? Are they any good? Kooistra and McKinley interest me the most given the needs at those positions.
James Jones
Re-signs with Green Bay.
Oh, well. . .his loss.
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by Christopher Gates on Jul 31, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions
oh well
Has Randy Moss signed yet with the Jets?
No
Probably won’t be cuz of Plaxico. So Floyd is still out there?
by Coolio12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What is better?
I think I would still prefer an old Randy Moss with a bad attitude than a underachieving Berrian?
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
And..
I would think that Randy still makes defensive backs a little nervous. Does Berrian?
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No Shit!
It’d be awesome to have Moss come in and have a “freak” like season. Both McNabb and Moss are near the end of their careers, and even to the purple colored glasses our best hope is likely 8-8. I’m not feeling all that confident in our FO and in our roster comparatively speaking. But as it stands, what the heck. pull out all the stops and go for it. You never know. (giant homer comment as I reread)
who cares
i honestly don’t understand why so many Vikings fans wanted James Jones. he is an average receiver and people were raving like he could replace Sidney Rice. pfft.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Seems like an odd move on his part
Maybe he likes being buried on the depth chart?
by Simply_Greatness on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe surprise
Maybe J Johnson or Canada A will surprise.
Great big fan of 84
Until last year when is his short stint he wasn’t running out plays as if he’d been here for 10 years instead of trying to prove himself. Gave credit(not credit, love) to the other team right after losing a closely contested game. I hated Childress, but to hear Moss loving Belichik made me sick to my stomach. A lowlight for me in a crappy, disappointing season(maybe one worst seasons ever, certainly the most underachieving). Don’t want him around Percy, the most talented reciever in the game
incentive
It would have to be a very incentive laden contract with + for TD’s and — for bad off and on the filed behavior and start with an apology to the food service. If he did all that I’d gie him a shot but cut him if it was not working. I would not give up anything for him though.
Sign that Seattle is doing thier best to get Andrew Luck: Tarvaris Jackson named starter.
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I still like
The idea of getting the ball into Webbs hands…3-5 touches a game. He could provide a splash play here and there.
+1
Those who write that the Viking receiving corps is no threat have just forgotten a few things:
- Michael Jenkins is 6’ 4" , 217
- Jaymar’s time in the 40 is 4.38
- Hitting Harvin at midfield can be as good as a bomb
- Joseph Webb, Jr.
…and if you still sadly think that we really have no replacement for Sidney, please consider the tale of the tape:
- 40 Yard Speed: Webb 4.43, Rice 4.51
- Weight:
-———- Webb 220, Rice: 202 - Height:
-———- Webb: 6-4, Rice: 6-4 - Vertical Leap: — Webb: 42.5! Rice: 39
Only problem
with that is Webb, as far as we know, is a QB not a WR. I have no problem with him being switched, but as of now, he is a QB.
Come on
you seriously are talking like Joe Webb, a guy who has never played the position professionally, is a replacement for Sidney Rice? I don’t even think Sidney is that great, but Joe Webb… give me a break! The Joe Webb people on here have lost their minds. Just because someone is athletic doesn’t mean it will translate to the NFL… maybe we should just sign Usain Bolt? no wait, how about the Baby Jesus? Troy Williamson had a pretty good “tale of the tape”…
by Wu on Jul 31, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
In the NFL
That is why they are in the NFL and you are simply stating your uneducated opinion.
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Best Athlete Available...
Many teams draft the “best athlete available” in lieu of the position they play. Just because they have been playing any particular position in college doesn’t mean that that position is where they could excel in all situations. Webb is an excellent athlete. He may not be the best WR in the league, but he stands a very good chance to be the best that “we” have.
by jimuellenbach on Aug 1, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
meds act in mysterious ways.
size, speed and vertical leap don’t make a great receiver.
can the guy get off the line? can he run a precise route?
can he adjust to the play of the defense and to the ball?
oh yea, and can he actually catch the darn ball?
remember jerry rice….
he wasn’t big, he wasn’t fast, he didn’t have springs.
but he was the best there ever was for some reason.
p.s. joe webb is a qb.
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"You can't teach speed" (and a 45" verticle leap)
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Webb is a football player...
Unlike Nehemiah, Joe Webb has played a lot of football. When you are a freakish athlete, the transition from QB to WR is a lot easier than from track star to football player. Although, when in the open, I don’t think too many defensive backs caught up to Renaldo.
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
who cares, joe webb is a qb and renaldo wasn't a good "receiver"
there are actual skill sets that go along with the position. size, speed and vertical leap do not make a great receiver (i know, i already said that).
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Hmm....
he was timed at 4.71 in the forty coming out of college, which IS low compared to some. Surprising, he seemed like a blazer.
Seems that way.....
my curiosity got the best of me. Rather than posting a useless kneejerk response, I did some checking. There’s no way, I thought, that Rice could ever be considered “slow.” Still not sure if he was or wasn’t.
I just saw
On the Rotoworld fantasy draft guide, Tarvaris Jackson is ranked 32 of all the QB’s behind Alex Smith and John Beck. http://www.rotoworld.com/premium/draftguide/football/main_page.aspx
by Simply_Greatness on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
That high
That high or did they only do starting QBs
He was at the bottom of the starters
by Simply_Greatness on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
"or did they only do starting QBs"
LOL
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
well, that's fantasy rankings. i mean they have mike vick ranked number 1...
so the rankings are skewed for dungeons and dragons. i’ll go out on a limb and say that he does better than kevin kolb this year.
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Stadium news
I must have missed this when it aired and I did not see anything about it on the Trib, apparently St Paul is asking to have their palms greased a little for a stadium… http://www.1500espn.com/videos/new_pitch_emerges_for_building_vikings_saints_stadiums
by Simply_Greatness on Jul 31, 2011 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
Another slow news day ... sigh.
I am hoping that they look at Jacob Bell OG and Jamal Anderson DE..
I would take Anderson over Adrian Awasom even though he is awesome.
Another guy I like is David Thomas for the FB/HB/TE position.
Hey Vikings Brass! I know one of you read the best damn Viking site on the net!
I don’t get the whole half pregnant philosophy. I really don’t…
New OC, go out and get Donovan, sign Jenkins a fine # 3, have AD in the backfield and 2 TE sets coming….
How can we possibly go to war with a #1 who has proven hamstring problems, can’t hold the ball, and has done nothing for a few years? Yes, I am talking about BB…. Why are we letting everyone else in the NFL get better around us and not making this a battle?
Some thoughts you HAVE to be thinking about:
1) Get Braylon and make him the #1. Dump or trade BB and save either $3M or the $6.2M hit if we trade him. I know Braylon doesn’t come at a $3M number, but with renegotiating Greenway, and even Hutch or Winfield, we have to be able to find the room.
2) Get Kreutz! My lord what this would do for our offense! Again, there are people we can cut who would make up the number he is asking. It is a definite move to make our team better!
3) Why are the better run teams upgrading at positions in FA, then trading people who have value and then gaining picks besides? Why isn’t this part of our FO goals? Heck Winfield is nice but at $7.5M? We could have been in some of these CB battles or even pursue Cromartie and then trade Winfield for a pick. Collect picks and upgrade!! Wow! What a thought!
Look… As an armchair GM, I watch some of the most well run teams literally show you the pattern to building a team. The opportunity is there. We have proven starters getting up there that still have value, and the upgrade opportunity is out there…. Prove to us that you are trying!
Signed, the Faithful
by PurpleJesus on Jul 31, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Frazier.....
THE biggest difference entering this season. It is my contention that a number of players last season simply did not want to play for Childress any longer. That list would include one Bernard Berrian, who is widely chastised on this site, by myself as well.
Now, I am of the opinion that Les Frazier WILL bring out the best in this team, whatever that may be. Effort will NOT be questioned. He is a player’s coach, unlike Childress, who, with all due respect, would have been placed on the practice squad of a random lingerie league team, had that been his football roots.
Therefore, let us cool our jets regarding the 2011 version of the Vikings as opposed to the 2010 team. I have a hunch a theme this season will be———“WHERE THE HELL WAS THAT BEFORE NOW!?”
Hmmm...
With all due respect Mel, BB was actually benched by Leslie and came back no better. Why am I to believe a new season will make the difference?
Just a hunch PJ.....
have seen it before. Or, it could simply be, after 40 years of ahem, patience, that this is the latest version of “Maybe This Year?”
The Washington game and Philly games after the coaching change I hope gave us a glimpse into this.
BB needs to go and it is mind boggling how Frazier thinks he can do better
Must be a Bears connection or something.
I think they will let him go though. I believe Frazier is just saying all these things to maybe pump up his trade value. But if they have plans on trading him they better try and get him to restructure first. That is what they did with Bobby Wade. Well they cut Wade after the restructure.
I just cannot imagine having to pay him 4 mil and also to pay Herrera 2.6 mil.
That is some good money that can go towards a decent veteran guard like Jacob Bell.
I really can't understand why...
… you go out and sign McNabb and then your big move at WR is Jenkins. They’re going to have to use motion and 4-5WR sets to get Harvin open. Jenkins is an ok WR, but he’s not going to scare anybody. The best explanation I can think of is that Jenkins provision of a big target is a better fit for McNabb’s possession passing game style than someone who can stretch the field opposite Harvin. McNabb’s never been the most accurate passer, so giving him a big bodied guy who can use position to pull in catches makes some sense.
Shank is going to have a huge year.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 31, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
I guess I didn't mean it quite like that...
… any team with Harvin and AP has some intimidation to it’s offense. It’s not like you’re the Bills. I was just a little surprised that they were satisfied with Jenkins, is all. He’s certainly an upgrade over BB at this point.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 31, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I got your drift...
Well, I don’t see Jenkins stretching the field. I see that as BB’s role (OMG) and Jenkins as the #3. In a 2 TE set, I just don’t see BB on the field with Percy, and I don’t think that stretches it like it should to allow the passes to the TE’s, RB’s, etc. in open space.
Additional help?
From Star Tribune story…
Wilf is confident that quarterback Donovan McNabb will give the Vikings a similar lift to what Brett Favre did in 2009.
And Wilf said the ownership will do what is necessary to sign additional help.
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