Tidbits From Minnesota Vikings First Training Camp Press Conference
by Christopher Gates on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM CDT
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PrintThe Vikings are in the midst of conducting their first press conference from their Training Camp in Mankato. Unfortunately, I am not there to actually hear said press conference, but there are a lot of interesting tidbits coming from some folks that are there via the Twitter. Specifically, Tom Pelissero of ESPN 1500 and Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.
Some of the things that have been heard thus far:
- Erin Henderson will get the first chance to replace Ben Leber at the weakside linebacker position. Kenny Onatolu and (perhaps) Jasper Brinkley will get looks at that spot as well. Frazier said that talks with Leber were not "active" at this time, but didn't rule out something for the future.
- Kevin Williams says that he has not heard from the league concerning his four-game suspension from the StarCaps fiasco. (Maybe the NFL has had an attack of common sense. . .not that I'm holding my breath.)
- Cornerback Cedric Griffin will NOT start the pre-season on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list, but the team will "go slow with him" to ensure that he is ready for the season opener. Guard Anthony Herrera, on the other hand, WILL start the pre-season on the PUP list. Chris DeGeare will likely get Herrera's reps at that spot until Herrera is ready to go. . .provided DeGeare or somebody else doesn't play well enough to merit his replacement. (I added that last part.)
- Frazier hoping that Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, or Mistral Raymond can step in for the departed Madieu Williams. I don't know about Johnson. . .we've seen this movie before, after all. . .but Sanford and Raymond are both intriguing possibilities to me.
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I am trying to find the good news in there...
and I am not seeing it. Perhaps no news is good news on the Kevin Williams front?
Yep, pretty much
The Hendersons as starters sounds cool, but Erin isn’t E.J. I’d much rather keep Leber.
Nothing would make me happier
BROTHERS!!!
starting in the same LB corp????
id take that (if it works) over Leber’s contract demands (and i really like leber, hes from my home town)
I'm still reeling from the stupidity of not going out to get a real WR and us NOT dropping craptacular Berrian.
It doesn’t reflect well on our new Head Coach if he really thinks this WR corps is one that we should be ready to “roll with.” How anyone could watch Berrian last year and think he’s a worthwhile piece of the puzzle is beyond me.
Typical Vikings in Free Agency again – picking up an older player of some note and then not much else. Ugh.
Either Or
Just because BB is still with the team doesn’t mean that he is our #1 receiver. I suspect that after the preseason, he may be lucky to be considered our 3rd or 4th receiver. I think that our “wild card” is Joe Webb.
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Please permit me to repeat myself from another thread:
Those who write that the Viking receiving corps is no threat have just forgotten a few things:
1.Michael Jenkins is 6’ 4" , 217
2.Jaymar’s time in the 40 is 4.38
3.Hitting Harvin at midfield can be as good as a bomb
4.Joseph Webb, Jr.
. …and if you still sadly think that we really have no replacement for Sidney, please consider the tale of the tape:
1.40 Yard Speed: Webb 4.43, Rice 4.51
2.Weight: ——— Webb 220, Rice: 202
3.Height: ——— Webb: 6-4, Rice: 6-4
4.Vertical Leap: — Webb: 42.5! Rice: 39
Hell yeah!!
Good to see some positive comments!
by CarterAD58 on Jul 31, 2011 4:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"permit me to repeat myself from another thread:" <<< (for elgar)
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“meds act in mysterious ways.”
size, speed and vertical leap don’t make a great receiver.
can the guy get off the line? can he run a precise route?
can he adjust to the play of the defense and to the ball?
oh yea, and can he actually catch the darn ball?
remember jerry rice….
he wasn’t big, he wasn’t fast, he didn’t have springs.
but he was the best there ever was for some reason.
p.s. joe webb is a qb.
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by danny lloyd on Jul 31, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Webb is not a WR...
Please quit making this the reasoning why we are ok at WRs…cause we have a backup QB that can play one…
It makes no sense.
Until LF says it, which i doubt, its pointless to have this continually brought up.
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by LeeleeX on Jul 31, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, get used to it...
because you won’t stop hearing it.
by Elgar on Jul 31, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get use to being wrong too
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by LeeleeX on Jul 31, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
what would better is if you has some stats of Webb at WR to back up the assertion that because he has the size and speed and jumping ability makes him a viable candidate over the other players they have added to the mix at WR.
I admit you could be right and Webb can transition to WR. I am not sure they are looking at that right now with all the signings they have done.
I was once all about arguing Webb should be a QB,
but with the F.O. pitching their chips all in, and drafting Ponder to be QBOTF, they may as well switch him to wideout. The man can make plays with the ball in his hands, simple enough. He showed that last year repeatedly. That’s exactly what we need, some explosiveness.
Webb as the Vikings QBotF?
Well, why not? Webb’s shown he can play in the NFL, Ponder’s had no chance to show much of anything, and McNabb is unlikely to last an entire year. You’re right, he was an explosive QB last year.
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by DCPurple on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More than just a QB
He wasn’t explosive throwing the ball, it was how he was able to run that was so amazing. So he wouldn’t necessarily be better off as 3rd string still.
Yes, Ponder may suck, but the fact of the matter is, they drafted him #12 overall when there was a heavy fan favorite (Amukamara) sitting there. They aren’t going to sit him if the time comes for Webb. And Webb is simply too talented to leave sitting on a bench. You have to get that guy out on the field any way you can, and he’s far more likely to get playing time as a WR than the 3rd QB.
by Frost on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually, i saw a video with eli manning tossing the ball with ponder...
let me clarify that…super bowl qb eli manning was throwing passes to rookie chistian ponder. and HE DIDN’T DROP ONE SINGLE PASS !!! OH MA GAWD !!!
he was AMAZING. i mean, who would have thought ponder would have such fantastic hands. he’s 6-2 225, and he is FAST. he is a great athlete, so he will make an awesome #1 wr. i think we’re gonna see ponder at wr sooner than later, fer sher.
i mean, he does have a leg up, he knows some of the terminology and formations already. arushumendashuhuda doesn’t stand a chance, ponder is a super stud wr.
how do i know this, it’s all over youtube. he caught EVERYTHING thrown to him by eli flippin’ manning. we don’t need to look any further….mcnabb to ponder, TD!!!
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check out THIS highlight reel...
manning to ponder = zero freakin drops <<< just wow.
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Danny;
You can campaign for Joe Webb all you want, but in reality the Vikings chose to go a different route. I don’t want to get into abig argument that takes over this thread, but just think about this. Leslie Frazier was coach when Joe Webb, I mean our defense, beat Phili. Leslie Frazier saw what Joe Webb was doing every day in practice. Leslie Frazier probably has a better idea than any of us weather or not Joe Webb is a future QB in this league.
Since Leslie Frazier has become our “head coach” and not “interm coach,” he has drafted Christian Ponder at #12 overall and traded for Donovan McNabb to mentor Ponder for a year or two. I think Webb’s kinda lost in this equation.
Joe Webb may never be a good WR. You’re totally right. But he doesn’t have a spot at QB on this team either, and I want to see a guy with his athleticism on the field. The only way that is possible is if he switches positions. He could KR, but that’s Percy’s job. He could try PR, but that job usually goes to the guy with the best hands on the team (see: Greg Camarillo). The Vikings could throw him out wide 6-8 times a game until he becomes familiar with the position.
I don’t think Joe Webb is worthless, I just don’t think he’s starting QB material. I think you’ll see the team agrees with me after their recent moves. I do think he’s too explosive to sit on the bench though… We should find a way to get him on the field. The only possible solution I see is at WR
huh? who is campaigning for webb....i'm campaigning for ponder.
to utilize his versatile athleticism. why let him waste away as a back up qb? this guy is a serious stud wide receiver. he has caught multiple passes from nfl quarterbacks. it’s a no-brainer to move him to wr.
as for your tangential comments on joe webb. leslie frazier, the “head coach” as you call him, has joe webb playing qb. he even has him taking first team snaps this week. you might want to call him and tell him what to do if your opinion is so strong. but, the vikings currently have 12 receivers on their roster. adding ponder makes an even baker’s dozen!
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/29265/vikings-joe-webb-will-get-first-camp-snaps
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First Team snaps?
Only cause Ponder has never played with these guys and because McNabb can’t practice.
But that’s fine. You can be “that guy.” You can believe whatever you want about Joe Webb, but let the rest of us rational fans know when wake up from your fairy tale and realize that Christian Ponder is the QBOTF and Donovan is our current Starting QB.
Joe Webb is not in our plans at QB. Just face it. I’m just saying try him out at WR because he’s too much of a threat to not see the field. Christian Ponder was actually drafted as a QB, and not a WR/ATH/QB. Leslie Frazier is going to roll with Christian. He’s seen enough of Joe Webb to realize he’s not an NFL QB, just like me
fyi...
you forget that there is a brand new playbook that no viking qb has worked with so far. and, if you are so darn certain that frazier has ponder set as qbotf, then why doesn’t he just give the snaps to ponder, afterall he has had a big chunk of the playbook for several months now and should be the most familiar with it…
oh yea, because frazier said that webb and ponder are the future qb’s and that he has not made webb a wr…..he still has him at qb for a reason. i’ll trust the viking coaches assessment over yours any day….and not just on football, but on anything!
two good qb prospects are better than one! i guess the vikings coaches already know that. perhaps they are smarter than you.
sorry if your gushing love affair with rhett bomar took a hit with the signing of mcnabb. maybe bomar will be on the practice squad this year. isn’t that where we got him, off new york’s ps?
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Haha love affair with Bomar?
All I said is how I think he could be a better prospect than Joe Webb. This was right after Joe Webb lost to Det, while Det also had their 3rd or 4th string QB playing. I don’t think Bomar will ever be good, I just don’t think Webb will either (at QB). And that was 5 months ago. You ever hear about a grudge? You’re still mad that I bad-talked your boy Joe Webb. I’m sorry, You’ll get over it.
And, BTW, according to ESPN 1500 and Judd, Ponder took some snaps with the first team, even after Webb was supposed to get all those reps. It’s the beginning of the end for Webb. It sounds like Ponder didn’t look too sharp today, but Webb looked even worse.
i have no grudge. your comments about bomar...
mak07 said: “He was good at OU as a freshman and has the attitude that it takes to be a QB…Bomar is a fine back-up.”
this is from 2 months ago. i even made a fanpost about qb prospects and was nice enough to not name you by name…you stated that bomar is a good nfl #2 back-up because he had a good freshman year in college 6 years ago. and that we should ditch webb for a career practice squad guy. you can hate all you want, who cares?
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/5/28/2194298/what-you-think-the-2-qb-should-be-bomar
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i don’t understand why almost everyone on here is so enamored with jenkins solely because of his size? he was never a big-time player in Atlanta, and from what I’ve read he’ more of a blocking specialist than anything. Size (Jenkins), speed (Johnson), and leaping ability (Webb) alone does not dictate how good receiver is. There are things like running crisp routes, an ability to get open, and an ability to actually catch the ball that are far more important.
And to suggest that Webb is a replacement for Rice is laughable. Rice played WR in the SEC in college, has amazing ball skills, and it took him until his 3rd year to do much of anything for us. Webb has never played WR. He would have to start from scratch in any position change. To think that he could be a starting WR for us this year, or even the next 2-3 years, is wishful thinking at best.
People are trying to pump up this WR crew way too much. The truth of the matter is, the front office did a horrible job in the free agency frenzy, and no amount of sugar coating the abilities of Jenkins, Webb, or anyone else besides Percy isn’t going to change that.
edit
i see now that Webb did play WR for 1 year in college. Still, my point remains. He isn’t going to be a serviceable WR anytime soon.
The point is
Joe Webb has more of a future at WR than he does at QB. He will not see time at QB with McNabb and Ponder in front of him. We saw him at the position last year, with Leslie at HC, and Leslie still went out and got Christian Ponder in the 1st round and traded for Donovan McNabb. So to me, it doesn’t matter what anyone on here says about Joe Webb, the Vikings do not have him in their future plans at QB.
That being said, he’s a great athlete and could make a very good WR. It may take him a few years, yes, but that’s fine with me. He at least has a spot on this team at WR. At QB, he’ll just waste away as our 3rd stringer. Joe Webb could make the transition quickly and become a relavent WR this year, or it could take him time. If it is going to take him 2 or 3 years, we better move him ASAP, because the Vikings, just like myself, don’t see him at the helm of this team in the future
That doesn't seem practical to me...
Not trying to be rude at all, so don’t take it that way, but having a player study the QB position and the WR position will only delay the development of both positions. On top of all that, he is supposed to be a return man? It’s nice in theory, but I think if we want him at WR we’ll have to totally change his position and have him focus on only his WR skills, so he can refine them and become effective asap.
May as well make him that.
Having him as a 3rd string QB is just a waste of his talent.
McNabb is a temporary QB
Ponder and Webb are the QBs of the Viking’s future. And personally, I’m not sold on Ponder as automatically being given the nod over Webb. The two of them are going to compete, rather than just assume either is going take the eventual starting job.
But then, we’ve been through this before.
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I think people are leaning more to Ponder than Webb
because of his placement in the draft. If LLV were here we could have a break out on how many QB’s were successful that were drafted as late as Webb was. Heck we could probably do the same for WR’s however our need for WR’s is much more dire than QB is currently (especially with McNabb on the team)
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WR by committee
McNabb shares well and Webb could do some things with just a couple touches. His athletic ability alone makes him serviceable as a WR.
i predict mcnabb will get injured, ponder will struggle and webb will hold it down.
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I suspect that...
the issue isn’t whether or not each of these players has something better than Sidney did (I’m not his biggest fan, anyway) but just that, as a whole, it’s a pretty uninspiring lot of players. Vikes had a chance to get some proven talent and did nothing – preferring to keep a player that nearly every Viking’s fan groaned about all last year instead. To me, that’s the extremely worrying thing as it reflects (badly) on our new Coach’s ability to assess his situation. Not a good thing. :(
Hoping against hope that I’m totally 100% wrong. And I wouldn’t mind seeing Webb play WR – his athleticism in that regard could be awesome.
give the fo a break....they are still going to snag a few more wr's....
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Yes,
Webb could make a good replacement for Rice if he has the same catching ability. That’s a large IF.
As for no threats, all you did was list size and speed of the WRs. That is a horrible arguement. I don’t care how big or short they are, I want to see production on the field from them. And aside from Harvin, the WRs on our roster pretty much did nothing last year. Adding in Jenkins, who likewise did little for the Falcons last year despite playing opposite of Roddy White, doesn’t even begin to cover the gaping hole in our recieving corps.
It reminds me of the Berrian situation. We signed him with the expectation he’d turn into a solid reciever. He had a good season that first year, then dropped off and hasn’t been the same since.
Who has seen them
at the pro-level? Yeah, I’ve heard they’re huge, but there’s more to catching a football than big hands.
Emmanuel Arceneaux
Not trying to spread unreasonable hope, here. But we did get this kid out of the CFL whose tape looks terrific. My understanding is that he was the top rated WR talent after last season and we won a bit of a bidding war for his services.
For stats enthusiasts…
23-years-old
6’2"
211 pounds
40-yard dash between 4.5 and 4.6 secs
BleacherReport:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/773891-minnesota-vikings-rookie-spotlight-wide-receiver-emmanuel-arceneuax
I can only hope
that the guy is as good as you’re proclaiming. Have to wait and see, but I’m not planning on getting my hopes up on a guy who was in the UFL. Unless he turns into the Warner of WRs. That’d be cool.
Yeah.
That’s what I meant. I will admit he made some nice grabs on that highlight tape, but, again.. its a highlight tape.
Booker was our best return guy by far
Makes me appreciate the CFL in a way I never considered before.
As a Canadian, I can tell you the CFL is a so-so league with some fantastic talents. Cameron Wake is a star in the making as a D-lineman with Miami. Andy Fantuz is another WR who was signed by the Bears. CFL could serve as a decent feeder system to the NFL.
Was there buzz around Arceneaux last year? Your thoughts on him as someone who knows the league?
by Anthony Carter on Aug 2, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot all about that,
now they just need to start getting him ready for routes and whatnot and putting him in the games. That rule is perfect for us.
Good...
I hope defenses feel the same way.
by jimuellenbach on Jul 31, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If the front office was smart,
yes. No point to have him be a QB if you A) draft Ponder at #12 overall and B) make a trade for McNabb. Pretty sure he’ll be moving to WR.
Why not move Webb to Safety?
I mean, with his athleticism, his jumping ability, wow, what a Safety he would be!!!!
Sheesh.
Ah, ah,
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Apples to Oranges
I doubt he’s ever played safety. He has, however, played WR before when put on the spot because of a lack of explosion in a passing game. It probably wouldn’t be as terrible a leap as you make it out to be. And we get so much more use out of him being on the field than the bench.
The team has been forced back into win-now mode. You can’t half-ass that or you just get a messy team. If they’re trying to win now, then they need to maximize their potential on offense.
Also, WRs require jumping a little more than QBs would. So to really maximize his unique talents, he’d be better off as a Wideout.
why not make Webb our KR...??
seems pretty obvious to me.
in addition to return duties, throw him in maybe a handful of plays a game, sometimes as a decoy, sometimes as a wild card.
Webb doesn’t need to be an every-down player to have an impact.
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Perhaps a decent idea
But I don’t think they want him killed by returning kicks. Booker and Jaymar will probably be doing that I think. The other ideas sound great though.
Well when he was first drafted didn't the FO say that he was being looked at as a WR?
I don’t think they mentioned Safety. So no I don’t think people are to far off stating he could be moved to WR.
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Comments other than WR
Good to see Ced not on PUP list but it sucks that Herrea is. I am more upset about not addressing our OL needs than WR.
by SouthernNorseman on Jul 31, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
They adressed the OL needs
in the draft. They took like 4 O-Linemen in 5-6th rounds, I think.
i hear ya there
groom him behind Hutch and he could end up being a stellar replacement for the price.
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i agree. but free agency is not over, there are still o-linemen out there...
and more cuts to be made of quality players. those low round draft picks are just that, low round draft picks. i’m nor going to get all excited about them unless they go out and show they are far better than their draft position. and that won’t happen any time soon. i sure hope this new offensive system and o-line coach will result in less sucky o-line play. but i want fresh top shelf talent to go along with it too, for the future.
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I'm still kind of hoping
that we get Gaither. I would love to put him at RT and kick Loadholt over to RG.
About the whole WR thing
We have 11, count them, 11 WRs on roster. You guys want to tell me that not even 3 of those guys will perform at a level that suits our needs? I find that hard to believe. Are they going to be in the same league as your Andre Johnson’s, Larry Fitzgerald’s or DeSean Jackson’s? I doubt it. We don’t need them though. Musgrave said the basic philosophy of the new offensive scheme would be a run heavy west coast style, which probably means a lot of 2 TE sets.
Besides, isn’t the point of coming to a new team to get a fresh start? Just because a player did mediocre in one system doesn’t mean he can’t excel in another. Just give the guys a chance, today was only the first day of training camp and most of them can’t even practice yet. If they’re dropping passes and missing routes come pre-season, then you should be worried.
by Amrius on Jul 31, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I do.
Because its true. WRs don’t go from being 3rd or 4th string on another team to suddenly leaping out into the #1 WR job, which is what we need, and excelling.
Our ‘needs’ are probably different though. Personally, I’m looking for that ‘09 magic that took us so close to a SB. We need an explosive passing attack for that. With our current crop, it reminds me more of our ’08 team where Bobby Wade was the most reliable WR we had. Yes, we have Percy Harvin, but he can’t do it all himself in the passing game.
Throwing crap at a wall and seeing what sticks doesn’t always work. Look at our DBs. I think they had about 11 of them at the start of last season, and we couldn’t even find 3 who gave what we were looking for.
Sidney Rice was a 3rd or 4th string guy
Until the 09 season. Which is my point. People can excel if given the opportunity provided they have the tools to do so. Do any of these guys have the tools? I dunno, that’s what training camp and pre-season are for.
All i’m saying is give them a chance before saying none of them can compete.
Sidney Rice was not a 3rd or 4th string guy
He was a starter that kept getting injury. Then we had to rely on the Bobby Wades and the Bernard Berrians.
by vikesfan4lyf on Jul 31, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the difference?
A first string guy who’s not on the field is a 3rd or 4th string guy. I don’t care if he’s Jerry Rice, if you’re not on the field, you aren’t being productive. I’d rather get a full 16 games out of a medium talent, reliable guy than 8 or 10 from a high talent but unreliable guy. Its why i’m not crying that Sidney left in the first place. 1 full season does not a good player make.
Its not even that it was just one season
Its how important he was to the offense. Is it really that much of a coincidence that the year he stays healthy, we do amazing? And then, with the EXACT same team of starters, sans himself, we go 6-10? He was an integral piece to this offense, and he was young.
Using your logic, should we just drop Percy Harvin and pick up somebody similar to Jenkins since #12 misses a couple games every year so far because of his migraines?
Harvin's contract isnt up
And he hasn’t waited till a week before training camp to get a possible treatment for his migraines that causes him to miss 11 or 12 weeks of game time. Yes, i’m slightly bitter.
Regardless, yes, if Harvin’s migraines caused him to consistently miss several games in a season, i’d advocate his trade or release cause it doesnt matter how good a player is, if they’re not on the field, they aren’t contributing.
But none of this is really my point. My point is, how often did you hear the name Sidney Rice before the 09 season? Before Brett Favre came to MN? TJack didnt have the tools or experience Favre did and when Favre showed up, he gave Rice the chance to utilize his talents. That’s my point. That just because someone didnt do well in one environment, in one system, doesn’t mean they can’t excel in another. Give them a chance before jumping to conclusions.
He was a 3rd or 4th WR
I remember thinking he had potential and amazing hands but stood on the sidelines most of the time.
In 07 they had the great Troy Williamson who started 8 games while only playing in 11 total that year, Wade started 12 out of 16, Robert Ferguson started 8 while playing in 15. Sidney started 3 games and played in 13. now i’m not saying Rice wasnt injured a time or 2, only that these numbers dont show he was a 1 or 2.
In 08 they released Williamson…tear…and picked up berrian who started 13 out of 16 played. Wade started 14 out of 16 played. Rice, while again starting 3 out of 13 played, had less than half of his production that year compared to his rookie season.
he played in 13 games each of his first two seasons but due to the brilliance of childress, he didnt see the field much. When you appear in that many games it isnt injury keeping you down, or at least not the only thing. It seemed to me that Brad didnt want him to have success maybe because he wasnt “his guy” so it was the opposite of the whole Tavaris thing. But the point is that he was not a starter them 2 seasons.
In 09, unable to be held down any longer, he seemingly comes out of nowhere to become a superstar. and we all know the rest…
And...
If he goes a sticks to what he is saying about a run heavy west coast O, the run is first as to set up for the pass. Name one contending team that has gone deep post season without a true wr threat?
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Its like i keep saying
How many times did you hear the name Sidney Rice before the 09 season? Change can be good, whehter its a new QB, a new OC or a new scheme and we have all 3 this year. Wait till you see a few games before saying we don’t have any WR threats.
by Amrius on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Please...
Change is change…the facts, are we picked up guys that have underacheived. Its not negative, its simply a fan who has watched them in and out since 1970. What players say often will give you an idea of how they areing looking at things. And so far Ive seen Percy and Allen say " lots of new talent and people who have not been here will now have to step up, its going to be more about attitude this year." Simply put sure we have talented guys but not enough to carry us so we are going to go with the attitude drive.
Odds makers are saying the Vikes will barely go .500, looking at our schedule and the changes we have made and not made I see 5-11. Doesnt mean I wont be rootin tootin!
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According to Kevin Seifert "Joe Webb will be recieving the first team snaps in camp until Mcnabb can practice"
He will get a chance to atleast show what he can do for about 3 or 4 days. He needs to make the best of it.
Web
I can see them once the season begins having a few plays for web in the backfield where the set is similiar. A couple where he runs with the ball, a couple where there is a run/pass option and a couple where he takes off on a pass pattern. -- Then the rest of his time he will be workin as QB. He is our BUQBOTF with a *. I think the future may bold well for us with Ponder & Webb once McNabb steps down or fall down.
I think they should ask Webb personally if he wants to play QB or move to WR
I mean it is his career and whatever he feels most comfortable at is where he should play.
QB
I think they did that last year. I think his answer was QB but I’ll do whatever the team needs.
Of course he wants to be a QB over a WR
who wouldn’t? But his use is far greater to the team as a WR.
Musgrave
I might be wrong here, so forgive with me, but isn’t Musgrave likely going to establish an extremely strong short-middle yard offensive scheme, i.e. heavily utilizing the slot, TE’s, RBs?
Move those chains and wear defenses down.
Obviously we need some deep threats to keep opposing secondaries honest, but I don’t think we critically need a bunch of Larry Fitz’s out there, just servicable guys that can roll out in case McNabb wants to throw up the rock every now and then.
I’m not expecting the 1998 Vikes here.
I just hope these Canadian guys pay attention or there will be a lot of false start penalties thanks to CFL’s crazy @ss rules. :)
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Aug 1, 2011 9:09 AM CDT reply actions
also
good to keep in mind that guys like Camarillo and Jenkins have great hands.
I really hope we utilize Camarillo more. That guy plays his butt off and can grab basically anything that’s close to him.
I’m not sure how good Jenkins is with his yards after catch, though. Anyone watch many Falcons games that can comment?
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Aug 1, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
a few thoughts...
- glad to see Erin is getting a chance. even though i think we’d be better off with Leber, if Erin can play comparably i like that. (maybe Ted can answer — what are the odds of Homan developing into a starter down the road?? or is he looking to play a lot of ST for the considerable future…??)
- Griffin back = awesome. i hope he can stay healthy, he was missed last season.
- can we please just drop Herrera already?! waste of a roster spot.
- with you on Johnson at FS, don’t see it happening. i’m not a fan of Sanford, either. i know i keep proposing these late round picks can step up, but i hope Mistral Raymond outperforms everyone and slides into that starting spot w/ ease. i like that kid.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I agree about Mistral (great name!)
The kid’s got a hell of a story and it sounds like he puts in 110%. I’d love to see him become a real gem- and not just for the benefit of the team.
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Aug 1, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
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