Vikings Release First Depth Chart
With the release of the first depth chart of the season, we can begin to maybe have some questions answered, but we can also start to do some wild speculation. Like Donald Rumsfeld said, there are a lot of things we know. And there are a lot of things we don't know. And there are a lot of things we don't know we don't know.
Hell to the YES! I LOVE the speculation, let's get it on!
Let's break down the depth chart, after the jump
First, let's talk offense. I'll list position, then name. The first name that appears is considered the starter.
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Pat Brown |
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Rodney Huntley |
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For the offense, there were a couple things that caught my eye. The firsrt was the WR depth, which I think I called, thank you very much: Harvin, Berrian, Jenkins, Camarillo, and Jaymar Johnson. I'm surprised Aromashodu is so far down on the depth chart, simply for the fact that the Vikings pursued him in free agency. I'm telling you, watch out for Jaymar Johnson, he might be worth a late round fantasy sleeper.
On the offensive line, I'm really surprised that DeMarcus Love is behind Brown and Welch. It was hard to keep track of all the different linemen unless you were specifically looking at one guy, but the few times I observed Love, he held his own. But admittedly, I didn't really pay attention to Brown and Welch. I'm also surprised Scott Kooistra is so far down on the depth chart. For the guards, it looks like Cook will probably be the top backup again, but it will be interesting to see how that shakes out when Anthony Herrera returns.
Kyle Rudolph is buried on the depth chart, and that was probably the most surprising. Granted, I'm only going off of two days of observation, and The Holy Trinity (Pelissero, Zulgad, Fowler) have been reporting over the last couple days that Rudolph has struggled a bit, but he really stood out early on.
I think Webb and Ponder are interchangeable at this point between the second and third spot, and Frazier will give both of them a fair shot to win the #2 job. It's not like I'll be upset with whoever is the #2 guy, because I think they're both good.
Let's look at the defense:
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EJ Henderson |
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There's a bit of a mild surprise, at least to me, with the starters. Tyrell Johnson is getting the nod over Jamarca Sanford, but it looked like that Sanford was a little bit a head of Johnson early on. Ross Homan is second string on the outside,which is a bit surprising. I think if Kenny Onatolu was healthy, he'd be second team on that side, but that's just me.
The nickel back feels like Chris Cook, and the dime back seems like Asher Allen, which I think is a good fit. Allen has talent, but he was way overexposed when forced in to a starting role last season. Seeing both Marcus Sherels and Devon Torrance buried on the depth chart was a mild surprise, as they both have looked good so far.
About the only other surprise, at least so far, was seeing Christian Ballard so far down on the depth chart, but when you look at the guys ahead of him, it makes sense. Evans and Guion played well in rotational relief last season, and it would seem unrealistic that Ballard would leap them.
For the special teams, the top two kick returners are Harvin and Booker, and the top punt returners are Camarillo and Jaymar Johnson.
It will be interesting to see how this shuffles after the Tennessee game.
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Awesome
Let’s get ready for some football!!! And it’s great to see that Coach is making everyone EARN their job if they really want to move up in the depth chart. Like my old junior high coach told me, make the jersey, don’t let the jersey make you.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Aug 11, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
I was suprised as well.
I agree that I was suprised on how far down Aromashodu was. I’m also very interested to see how Johnson does this year. Carter has been praising this kid for awhile and if Carter thinks he’s good I want to believe him. I’ll be happy if someone else can handle punts other than Camarillo. He has hands, but I am pretty sure I am faster than him.
are there any drafted rookies above 3rd string?
I actually never saw what others did in Rudolph. His stats were not very good in college.
Mistral Raymond
he could make a move and get on the field….
BUT its the 1st depth chart before a preseason game…. SOOOOOOOOOO its not really real, really
I agree with this. Of course the rookies are going to be mostly buried on the first DC
Sure does seem like we have a lot of tight ends. I was thinking we could tell Dugan to take a hike. His 1 catch for 7 yards avg per season isn’t needed. He’s not THAT good of a blocker.
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Yeah, I know
Shank, Rudy, KSauce, Reisner…my point is that we know what we get with Dugan. If we think Reisner can come in as a rookie and get similar production, why not go with the young guy?
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by Eric J. Thompson on Aug 11, 2011 10:02 AM CDT reply actions
Percy Harvin
Will he not be lining up in the slot anymore then? I feel like that’s where he excels. That would put Michael Jenkins out wide with Berrian, which makes the most sense.
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
I agree
but it seems that the Vikings have been moving Harvin around, both in the slot and both outside poitions. Musgrave hinted that they wanted to do that, or at least look at it, and they think Harvin can be successful. They want to try and get him in a mismatch as often as possible, so we’ll see.
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Slot
Well it’s Musgrave’s offense. I’m sure he knows what he’s doing. Sorry to keep beating this drum, but will that mean Jenkins moves to the slot then?
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Just trying to get an idea of how we’re lining up.
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
everywhere....
hopefully they all will move around…
jenkins was signed for his blocking too, if hes in the slot, hes a blocker on that play im sure…
musgrave likes to “taylor make” his offense around his guys and get input about thier skill sets from them….
we willl see some different combos is all im saying, but they will have rhyme and reason now
The depth chart doesn't show where the WRs are lining up
There’s two WR slots on the depth chart WR1 and WR2.
Skol!
Remember - TWO tight end sets with Musgrave's new offense
means one less WR on the field.
I imagine Harvin will be bounced inside and outside frequently.
Oh The Irony
You know what’s so ironic about this comment? I was the one who brought up the two tight end sets in one of your posts! Lol.
Sigh… /facepalm
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's been said...
That all the WR’s have to learn all the positions. Harvin, Berrian and Jenkins will all be playing inside and outside.
The important thing isn’t where Harvin lines up, it’s that he’s on the field as much as possible. And that McNabb knows where he is at all times.
Harvin
Agreed. He has excelled playing mostly in that slot position, but he shouldn’t be limited to it. You’re right.
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you get TV coverage in South America???
Damn I cant wait for Saturday…just hope i can get some kind of coverage on vacation ROFL
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So Bomar wasn't cut?
Very surprising. Even if he didn’t get that DUI, we don’t need four QB’s.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
Bomar auditioning for 3rd string
His playing time is to allow him to audition to play for another team as their 3rd stringer. Hopefully he shows a little something and the Vikes can parlay that into a late round pick for him. I know I’m dreaming – probably.
by Siegfried59 on Aug 11, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
They have him in camp to learn the system.
They probably hope he clears waivers at the end of training camp so they can sign him to the practice squad.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
They are still required to hold a 90 man roster right now
So someone like Bomar cna be kept just to satisfy this new 90 man rule before cutdowns can begine.
Star Trib mentioned another move today – unknown longshot Marcell Gipson was released when he voluntarily left camp, so they replaced him with another unknown longshot, because they had to keep that 90 man roster.
Can’t remember when they are allowed to make the first round of cuts.
Love to see a young guy step up
This team needs some of their 2 and 3 year guys to start stepping up. Chris Cook, or JJ or J Sanford. I’m worried that Demarcus Love isn’t going to make the team which would be a shame given how desperate they are for new blood in the OL.
On another note: there’s a good article at ESPN on the San Diego Chargers being the most likely team to move to LA. The video makes it sound like a done deal which will be announced at the end of the season.
Rudolph at 4; Tyrell Johnson at 1?
Wow. Then again, last year Abdullah came out of nowhere to become a starter during the 1st game. Maybe they’ll do that again with Sanford. I really don’t like Tyrell Johnson in our backfield… and all the worse if they are thinking of him as a starter.
Not trying to be confrontational or anything
I don’t think it’s Tyrell that you mind in the Safety position. It’s how he’s played in previous years that is what bothers you. He’s had a couple years under his belt now, if Frazier thinks he’s good, then I’m ok with that.
Skol!
Couldn't Agree More
Remember, it was once Frazier’s job to judge and coach defensive talent. If Tyrell Johnson is No. 1 on the depth chart, then Tyrell Johnson is our best option at safety. I’ll trust Coach Frazier with this kind of stuff until he (God forbid) gives me a reason not to.
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't erase two years from my mind.
Tyrell was awful, and the part that amazes me, is that he never seemed to realize that he just wasn’t good. Everytime he opened his mouth and spoke to the press I was struck by just how much he didn’t get it. Even this year, he sounds like he feels he didn’t get a fair shake at the position. Sanford has played better at safety than Johnson.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Frazier knows more than you do
That limb isn’t very long. There’s obviously something that Frazier likes better about Johnson than Sanford. We don’t know. We don’t watch every practice. Maybe Sanford is a dipshit in the classroom, who knows? I agree with you that the eye-test leans toward Sanford. With that said, my eye-test on Loadholt last year has me putting him in a steel dumpster, dumping a 5-gallon bucket of gasoline on him and watching it burn(figuretively, i’m not a psycho-murderer). BUT, the fact that Loadholts only had 2 years at the position means that he’s got some time to improve. This is their cutoff year for both loadholt and Tyrell. I doubt either will be on the team if they play like they did last year.
Skol!
Yeah, I guess, but that's kind of weird place to start a non-confrontational discussion
Every coach in the NFL knows more than their teams’ fans do. And yet, most of us fans (yourself included) have opinions about the players, the opposition AND the coaches decisions on personnel and during the game. Childress has been widely criticisized for his coaching style AND decisions as has nearly every former coach in football. What makes Frazier different? He’s a new and active coach, and we hope he’s great. However, if the new argument for a bad player becoming a legit first string player is “well the coach said so” then the DailyNorseman might as well just report the news rather than invite commentary from fans.
Here’s what I believe: Tyrell Johnson was a bad safety as a rookie and as a 2nd year player. In 2009, the Vikings main weakness was the play of their safeties and the Johnson/Williams tandem was widely regarded as being among the worst safety tandems in the league. In 2010, Johnson was passed over for Abdullah after Johnson had the 1st string role in the pre-season. Abdullah didn’t light the world on fire with his play in 2010, but he was better than Johnson from the start and improved his play as the season went on. I think the same can be expected of Sanford from what I have seen of his play. I honestly don’t know if Sanford will be an average, good or below average safety. However, I would put my bets on Sanford over seeing more of the same from Johnson.
Anyway, I’m not putting too much stock in this initial depth chart, because I don’t believe that Rudolph is our 4th string TE, and I don’t believe Tyrell is back in the good graces of the coaching staff. This is just the start of pre-season. Also, I read some comments last week about Tyrell from the coaching staff. To me, they sounded cautious at best — but I suppose they were vague enough that a person could read the comment with a bias.
Very well said, KCSKOL
You’ll see a lot of these sort of double-standards around any sports forums. For some people it’s totally fine to crap all over a particular coach but if you dare question the new coach, the griping will start that you’re not being fair, etc…
Just do what most of us do and ignore those kinds of remarks (or laugh at them privately, like I usually do) and feel free to share your opinion. That’s the whole point and fun of us interacting on these sites, after all. :)
Overreaction of the moment:
Isn’t it AWESOME we used our 12th overall pick on a guy currently 3rd on our QB depth chart where several prime LT candidates were available?
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
Christian Ponder
Come on, don’t be sour about Ponder. You and I both know Donovan McNabb is under a 1-year contract, and he’ll be out the door barring a deep playoff run or breakout season. Ponder will start soon enough.
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I know, i made that comment half in jest.
In all sincerity though, this DOES establish two ideas.
1) This puts to rest all of the ’’Ponder is ready to start Week 1 hands down" talk
2) Joe Webb is actually going stride for stride with our hopeful QBoTF
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Ponder will still start early this year
McNabb has only made it a whole 16 games in 1 of the past 7 seasons.
Factor in a new offense that he’s still learning, and a very questionable offensive line…
I’d be shocked if he makes it the whole year. If he’s out early, Webb is in. If he lasts until week 5 or beyond, they’ll probably stick Ponder in at that point.
Not if he doesnt get past Webb
I know its early and all..but if LF keeps his depth chart where its at, its will be Webb starting when McNabb remembers he cant make a whole season.
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Don't get down on Ponder just yet
Webb has dramatically more experience in the NFL than Ponder. I’d be harder on Webb if Ponder had already surpassed him in just a week or two in the NFL when Webb has over a year and several starts under his belt.
I personally feel that Webb is a legitimate QB prospect, just as much as Ponder, despite the fact that Webb was taken much later. I feel pretty good about our young guys that one or the other could go on to be special.
not down on anyway
Just dont think we have a set automatic successor for when McNabb loses steam.
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For the one millionth time
Yeah, they do.
It’s Ponder.
I understand that
And would assume he would be better then the guy we already had as a back up.
I think there is so much put him in now vs wait till hes ready.
I can already see the posts about how hes not ready or he was put in too early and such. id rather we put it whomever LF thinks is going to get us a win.
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Not according to the chart up top...
Why, if hes not ahead of Webb, be it experience or whatever, put him in if hes not ready?
So you can then say, he was bad cause he wasnt ready?
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The chart up top means very little right now...
It’s for the first Pre-season game. This just means Christian isn’t ready after 2 weeks of practice, and in all reality, who expected him to be ready. There are a few things that point to Chrisitan being our QBOTF-
1. Leslie Frazier said he was. (Possibly not exact words, but everything he’s said leans this way)
2. Leslie Frazier drafted him at #12.
3. The new rules allow for a 3rd string QB to see the field before the first and second string QB’s are hurt.
4. Joe Webb as seen time at WR this fall, probably with that new rule in mind.
5. The depth chart before the first preseason game means about as much as a girlfriend before 5th grade. It never lasts. The QB position isn’t the only one that will have some player shifting before the opener either…
QB depth chart
I would say that our QB depth chart is the better than it ever was with Chilldo, and that’s not even a year after getting rid of him, granted we did have Favre but we had nobody behind him. You know who would put a rookie QB at the top of their depth chart after only 2 weeks? The Bengals.
by Simply_Greatness on Aug 11, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Webb and another teams starting QB….Maybe not the BEST but i wouldnt say nobody.
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I would still take Webb and Ponder as backups over TJack and Rosenfels. Rosenfels may have a legendary finishing move but there is more upside with who we have now.
by Simply_Greatness on Aug 11, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Id take any combo of the 3
that didnt include Tjack :P
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Really
Youre going to keep using the Webb as WR line?
Thats really getting old.
Id expect to see Ponder on field before I expect to see Webb as an actual WR other then to distract another team.
Not to mention those that have been to camp have point blank said he didnt do well when they ran him in a route. ill try to find you the link if you havent already seen the posts.
And please read the “I know its early”
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I have been to camp to watch... Twice last week.
I have seen with my own two eyes that we are trying Joe Webb out at WR. Why would we be putting him out there at all if we had the intention to keep him at QB his whole career??? I highly doubt that we move him to WR this year, but I could see us doing that next year when Ponder has established himself as our QB. I would like him at WR, yes, but I really don’t think that’s even a possibility right now. Ponder hasn’t gotten any time to practice with his team. Football is all about repitition.
Those who have said he didn’t look well are only half right. He didn’t look amazing, but you could see the potential. He’s bigger and faster than anything we’ve got out there right now. He looks like he has alright hands. He was just a very sloppy route runner and he didn’t always know what was going on. He’s a physical beast though, and we need to use that to our advantage.
Everyone views things differently. Even with their own eyes.
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by LeeleeX on Aug 12, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, very true.
Can we at least agree that IF Christian Ponder becomes a solid starter next year, we should find another position for Joe Webb to step into and showcase his athleticism 5-10 plays a game? That’s all I’ve been campaigning for. I don’t think it’s that smart to have 2 young QB’s rotating throughout a regular season, even if it is only 10 plays.
If hes willing
If not I say let him stay at back up or trade him away if hes good at QB.
I just dont think hes a WR, but thats me.
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Develop him as QB
Whoever’s best, we keep. Whoever isn’t, we trade for some tasty draft picks.
It’s a plan that worked pretty good with Cassell, there’s no reason why our FO can’t learn to get as much as possible from the hand fortune deals them.
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Um, why?
The hand fortune dealt us is a potential starter at the WR position for a team that’s been starving for a star at the spot since Randy Moss was traded for practically nothing.
He has all the size, he has huge hands. I don’t know how well he catches, but I mean if he’s not doing anything at the third QB spot, we might as well teach him to be a WR and get use from him. He has too much potential to be riding pine behind not only McNabb but Ponder too.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
"...other then to distract another team."
that’s going to be Webb’s role this season — QB3, and a decoy in certain situations. he may end up with the ball on a handful of plays, but he’ll be the ‘wild card’ for us i’d guess, at most, a couple downs each game.
next year, he may end up as the backup QB — that all depends on how successful he is this year in the above mentioned role. if it happens to work well, we’ll seek another QB2 to be behind Ponder, and Webb will remain at QB3/decoy guy.
i’ve said it before, but Webb doesn’t have to be on the field every down to be a contributor to this team.
(and let’s not kid ourselves — Webb didn’t exactly have a wonderful camp at QB either, from what i recently read. we didn’t see how he’ll be used — all of the decoy plays will be practiced behind closed doors.)
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
From what I saw of our QBs-
None of them had a great camp. That’s why I still believe Ponder is the QBOTF. We took him high, and we’re totally easing him into the offense. At the time of the draft, I didn’t think we’d need a vet to mentor him. I was wrong. There is no way a rookie QB can step in and be successful, imho. There’s not enough time
not this year, anyway
coaching staff realized that too as the lockout extended as long as it did. i think the original plan honestly was to start Ponder right away, but with no OTA’s, etc, they went with McNabb for a year — which could end up working in our favor, both short-term and long-term.
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Anybody previously on the team always gets the leg up on the competition.
It’s the nature of the game. Not saying Ponder is a clear-cut #2, but when they think he can handle himself on the field, they’ll put him in. If we end up in a Vick/Kolb situation in a couple years, I’ll be fine with that too, but Ponder is the person that they want to be able to lead this team. There’s a reason we drafted him #12 overall.
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Unless FatKinnie loses 60lbs and wants to earn his respect back in MN
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 11, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
NO NO NO
worst idea i think I’ve ever read on this site. It’s not like the Vikings don’t know what they’re going to get w/ BMc
Skol!
You are saying under no circumstances
would you pick up an in shape (unlikely) and highly motivated (near impossible) McKinney?
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 11, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
I was dealing in hypotheticals.
Then again, that is like saying ,“You wouldn’t take an accurate, strong-armed, diligent, smart T=Jack?”
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 11, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Webb as our 2nd string QB this year
Ponder might have been the most ready QB in the draft but no rookie QB can be ready for this kind of year. It will certainly show in Carolina. Your talking about a month plus of coaching lost, in an already short period of time to get them ready.
Webb had last year to get his feet wet, and certainly has an edge from watching Favre perform and handle himself. (hopefully not like off the field) This saturday might be kind of ugly, I mean highschoolers get more practice time then these guys have had. I’m anxious to see the different kind of sets the offense runs compared to last year. I understand that they won’t implement them all in the pre-season but its surely going to be different then last year.
A big fan of the Henderson brothers lining up side by side and I believe Erin Henderson will bring some skills to the table that Leber couldn’t. Lets hope he can be as fundamentally sound as Leber, so we don’t lose that facet of the defense.
SKOL
Don't matter to me
Under the old rules I’d say to make Webb #2 no matter what just so you have the option of using him as a jump ball WR or wildcat gimmick player.
But now the #3 can come and go as he/she pleases so there isn’t really any point to who the #2 guy is regarding a depth chart.
I’d rather see Ponder get more #2 reps in practice while Webb is given more opportunity to work on special packages. Then again running the scout team would also be a pretty good experience for our rookie QB.
All in all it isn’t nearly as much of a decision as it was in the old days, assuming nobody’s feelings would get hurt by being #3.
Depth Chart
This is really the first data point of the season. We have to compare how this changes as the preseason goes along. Jury is still out on this draft class. I suspect not many (3-4) make the team.
I did not realize we had 10 WR's in camp.
The old quantity vs. quality thing.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
Not really though..
I’d trade at least 5 of them for Fitz..maybe even 6 or 7
by PURPpplEATER on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Trading Larry Fitzgerald
Lol can you imagine how pissed Kevin Kolb would be?
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by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Now would be the best time to do it before he gets too attatched!
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Well it's quantity
It’s more like rolling a bunch of dice and seeing if any of them come up lucky. Maybe we have a diamond in the rough in there.
Unfortunately
I won’t be able to watch much of the game. Be busy bar hopping in Eli MN. Yay.
You know you are a die hard Vikes fan when getting drunk in a redneck town you’ve never been to doesn’t sound as fun as watching a preseason game by yourself.
Why isn't Webb on the depth chart for WR?
He ran a route! He should be on there!
/stoking the flames.
Webb made the news today for doing something shitty
Last play of training camp…
Mistral Raymond picked off Ponder, was ready to return it all the way.
Webb came off the SIDELINE, and tackled Raymond by pulling his dreadlocks.
What’s with these clowns? Jared Allen should have clobbered him for that stunt.
Getting the competitive juices flowing
Must have thought Raymond was showboating or something. WHo knows? Oh well, get them rattled a little. The season is almost upon us.
Skol!
Im sure it was totally malicious...
Im debating being happy the new rookie is already getting interceptions or laughing at the news again of Ponder throwing them.
Im sure if anyone was there and saw it, it wasnt as “shitty” as youre trying to make it sound.
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before you go off, and im sure you already are...
The laughing is to stop the tears…
I dont want the kid to fail, i just want to read something other then he threw an interception.
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It's training camp
And he’s the QBOTF. All eyes are on him and they aren’t going to write “he completed 65% of his passes in 7 on 7 skeleton passing today”. And he’s a rookie. And he missed all the mini camps and OTA’s that most rookies usually get.
Let’s wait and see how he looks in preseason games.
Being that I get my Viking info from here....
Ya im kinda hoping to see that kinda info here :)
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Well I went on Tuesday
And Ponder threw 0 INT’s.
Joe Webb, on the other hand, threw 3 INT’s.
Webb did run for a TD though, but Ponder doesn’t make stupid mistakes. He checked down too much, but that’s normal when you don’t know your recievers and are new to the offense. He did take a few shots to Rudolph when he was under pressure, as he seemed like the only guy Ponder trusted. He’ll gain those relationships with Berrian, Percy, Jenkins, etc. in the next few weeks.
Joe Webb, on the other hand, had a few amazing plays, but he took way too many chances, with 2 of his INT’s just terrible, bone-headed plays. He also had 2 balls fall through the hands of LB’s in 7-on-7.
Donovan had flashes of brilliance, but he also had plays where he looked lost. I was very confused watching him. I didn’t know what to think.
So basically, what I saw was Webb being too careless with the ball, Ponder being too conservative with the ball (probably due to his lack of relationships with his WR’s), and Donovan being all over the place.
UPDATE for the Webb fanboy LeeLee
Raymond suffered an injured hamstring on the play.
And just how does someone yank another player to the ground by their hair in a ‘nice’ way?
You really can stretch your brain when you go into denial mode.. Impressive!
irritating...
Raymond was making a good name for himself as a potential starter — and now he won’t have a chance to prove himself tomorrow night.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
(i'm assuming the hamstring will keep him out of tomorrow's game)
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I dunno about starter..
You have to remember he’s intercepting all these passes from Webb and Ponder, who aren’t exactly experienced QBs. I’ll wait until I see it against starter-quality quarterbacks before annoiting him, or else we’ll have another situation like with our old dimeback Marcus McCauley.
He was getting bagloads of ints in practice when we had a young Jackson and Bollinger competing for the starting spot, but he was nowhere near good enough to be a starter.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
You really need a hobby
That doesnt involve trying to insult me, because I cant remember ever actually insulting you.
And if you wanna look around, im not the only one who said I doubt it was malicious.
But since you want to single me out, again, I doubt it was malicious, and if it was, I would assume LF would take care of it.
But thanks for the update.
Oh and cant wait for your next hate mail! They are always so much fun!
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No problem, LeeLee!
I’ll check bacter, as soon as I get done building a shrine to Joe Web in my backyard, seeing how you’ve convinced us all he’s going to beat out the 12th pick in the draft for the future starting job…
lol
YOU need the hobby, fanboy.
Do you read what you write?
Or do you just hit reply and say, Heck! Lets see how this looks!
Im not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Im pretty sure I couldnt convince you that you have eyeballs.
Im really trying to see the point of your hate here.
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Don't sweat it.
Best course of action is to just ignore anyone who can’t interact with you politely. I appreciate your opinions (doesn’t mean I agree with everything you’ve said but for the most part, I can see where you’re coming from). :)
Personally, I'm getting tired of it
The DN’s picked up a number of folks who consistently lead with malicious intent if not outright insult and attack. Maybe that’s the price of success.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
they are undercover
Packer trollolols.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh and also
Please point out there Webb injured Mistral’s hamstring?
Cause You can pull a hamstring in many ways that have absolutly nothing to do with your hair…
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No, its been reported
Mistral tweaked his hammy on the ‘play.’ Probably by trying not to get pulled down backwards by his hair.
I understand Webb is probably frustrated because he’s picking him and Ponder both off quite a bit, so there’s been some jawing, but if the report is as it sounds you can’t just come off the sideline and do that because he’s showboating. It was a really stupid move on Webb’s part, and now this kid can’t play in his first preseason game. Easily avoidable.
Way to go Webb :(
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Rovibe.
You’re a really good contributor on here with really good football knowledge. I’m asking you to please quit with the personal stuff. I suspect you’re trying to be funny more than anything – I’ll shut up but am asking please. Game day thread we need you with the funny pics and stuff.
Yeah, the NFL stands for 'No Fun League'!
How dare Webb clown around with Mistral and have fun! As a punishment, they should make him a WR!
Silly.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 11, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure it was clowning?
I mean if it was a normal tackle, I’d see it, but.. by the hair? I’d be kinda pissed if a team mate pulled me down by that. Has to hurt.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Webb/Raymond
Gotta be rookie hazing. Because that’s freaking hilarious.
Sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Vikings, Red Sox, Heat, and Bruins fan: the oddest amalgamation of sports fanship you've ever heard.
by bleedpurple426 on Aug 11, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
lol Oh
That could be. Still, ouch. That’s rough.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Depth Chart
It feels like…. FOOTBALL! YES!
I’m shocked that Berrian is coming in ahead of Jenkins on the depth chart. Apparently he needed someone behind him to push him into actually performing. Hopefully he’ll perform well enough this year to be worth something in a trade, because keeping someone who requires that for his motivation is ridiculous.
I’m also surprised that Rudolph is sliding in beneath Dugan. Rudolph was supposed to be the top TE prospect of the draft. This is one to keep an eye on.
Cord Parks? Never heard of him. From your reports, Ted, I think they ought to swap Sherels and Parks around, if nothing else then to keep the better player on the active roster.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Cord Parks,
…born in Atlanta metro area, played college for Division I Northeastern U. (Burlington, Mass.) and listed at receiver the Rams in 2009, was hiding on the little-mentioned Vikes’ Practice Squad last season, after being released from Seahawks practice squad.
Slightly built, he’s one of those guys who leaves me saying, yes, interesting, but what are you going to do with him?
So basically....
We’re just seeing the result of the rookies having a shortened off season, and meanwhile trying to absorb a whole new playbook and scheme. The interesting thing will be when the vikes start to make cuts. Do they try and put an inexperienced late round draftee with experience on the practice squad or cut someone with a few years experience that has a firmer grasp on the play book. My moneys on youth with potential and that we’ll see these younger guys creep up the depth chart quickly as they practice more.
If we can get the same or better numbers out of Ponder Saturday, that the Pats got out of Mallet tonight, id be thrilled as hell…
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well, Mallet was facing the Jags 3rd string defenders...sooooo...
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
and?
What do you think the Titans will be tossing out there?
I think it would be nice to get the same numbers from someone who actually had longer to study the play book.
Mallet wasnt drafted during the quick toss him the play book 2 day period so.
I think its fine to hope Ponder gives good numbers.
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of course it's fine
but it should be expected. the Jags had the 28th worst total defense last season, and i can’t imagine they got much better — especially their 3rd string.
the Titans had the 26th worst total defense last season — so “thrilled as hell” doesn’t exactly describe it for me. i’ll be pumped if Ponder does well, but i like to keep my enthusiasm in check.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
so..
pretty much the same thing, just using a different choice of words, ok.
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not exactly...
but yes, if your expectations are tempered.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
with the way some people spoke about him...
Im kinda disapointed Ponder doesnt actually glow in the dark…
Seriously though, Id just like us to atleast appear improving from last season at this point.
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Mallett is good...
As much as you rip on me for liking Ponder so much, I think I would have rather had Mallett. I can see a Bledsoe/Brady moment in the next 2 years. But in all reality, it’s pre-season. Brian Hoyer, I think that’s his name, absolutley ripped apart the 1st team defense. NE just knows how to pick and groom QBs.
I dont rip anyone for liking Ponder
I dont like the OMG HES GOING TO CURE CANCER that some people are acting like about him. And that makes me horrible since i dont grovel at the feet and make the I <3 Ponder posts. Oh well. Sorry id like to see numbers before i declair someone IT, or THE QB or hell anything other then, oh ok we have a 3rd QB on the roster.(Sorry Bomar I dont count you)
He has just as much potential to do well as any other QB out of the draft.
I thought Mallet would of been a good grab.
I have to laugh at the fact the Pats used the 3rd rounder we gave them for Randy Moss to pick him up though :)
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I think if we knew we had McNabb for a year
We may have made a move up into the 3rd round for Mallett. It seems like we had liked him before the draft; I think we brought him up here once or twice. I would have been totally comfortable with McNabb/Ponder/Mallett; I’m pretty sure 1 of either Ponder or Mallett will become top 10 QB in this league at some point, maybe better. It is kinda funny though. Oh well, what’s done is done, and we’ll roll with what we’ve got
If we had drafted 2 QBs...
I think I woulda just tuned off the TV till next season lol….
I think Mallet will turn out to be the one too many passed up.
But thats a gamble like anything else.
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See, when Gabbert's fall was stopped
I assumed they’d go non-QB (like Amukamara) and then snag Mallet in the 2nd since it was practically guaranteed he’d be there. But they reached for Ponder instead, and after seeing Mallet’s throws on friday I’m kind of wishing we’d snagged him.
Usually I’m all about saying not to draw too much into the preseason for evaluating QBs, but, for him to have that good of a grip on the offense, even against numers 3s, after only a couple weeks of camp is pretty impressive. And it didn’t hurt that his throws were beautiful. Everybody is going to be wishing they’d just drafted this guy.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Noooooo
Now I will have to wait even longer before I can retire
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 13, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
is it too soon to take a shot in the dark...??
my fantasy football draft isn’t for another week, so i’m putting my mind to this. (excuse the lack of L/R/etc designation, that’s always subject to change with backups.)
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QB – McNabb, Ponder, Webb
RB – AP, Gerhart, Booker
WR – Percy, Jenkins, Berrian, Camarillo, JJohnson, Arceneaux
TE – Shiancoe, KSauce, Rudolph, Dugan
T – CJohnson, Loadholt, Love
G – Hutch, DeGeare, Cook
C – Sully, Fusco
(24)
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DE – JAllen, Robison, Griffen, Reed, Awasom
DT – KWilliams, Ayodele, Guion, Ballard, Evans
LB – Greenway, EJHend, ErinHend, Brinkley, Homan, Farwell, Onatolu
CB – Winfield, Griffin, Cook, AAllen, Burton
S – Abdullah, Raymond, TJohnson, Sanford, Frampton
(27)
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ST – Longwell, Kluwe
(…2…)
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(this is assuming Herrera will still be on the PUP list once the season starts.)
let the flaming begin…!!
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
UGH...i REALLY hate that strikethrough...
…and that fact i can’t edit…please, SB Nation…??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Aug 11, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That actually looks very close to what I think the 53 should be. Nice Job.
Only things I can think of to criticize are the lack of a fullback(might not be an issue anyway with Musgrave’s offense) and the omission of Loeffler the longsnapper.
by CanadianViking on Aug 12, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
oopsy...
LOL woops…that clearly slipped my attention. nice catch!!
i like D’Imperio at FB, but in Musgrave’s offense I’m not sure it will be necessary. we’ll find out soon enough.
as for who to take out for Loeffler…hrrm…damn, it comes down to what is realistic and what i want. probably one of the WR’s — i’ve never been sold on Jaymar but he has been doing well by TC accounts, and i like Arceneaux. gonna have to see how the preseason goes. in all honesty, i think Tyrell Johnson should get the axe, he hasn’t lived up to his 2nd rd pick, especially when he’s been outplayed by late rd picks. but somehow i don’t see that happening with how thin we are at S.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Do we normally keep 7 LB's?
I don’t keep up with this nearly as much as I would like to.
by SouthernNorseman on Aug 12, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry replied to the wrong post, see below
i’ve been doing that a lot lately…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
i think we had 7 last season...??
granted most are only ever solid contributors on ST.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
No problem. I only remember Loeffler's name because of offseason 53 posts : )
Hard to say who should be dropped but I’m guessing you’re right that whoever lands in that sixth WR spot is likely to be cut. The only other option would be one of the special teams guys like frampton or onatulo.
by CanadianViking on Aug 12, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree on Arceneaux
I think he should be the guy that closes out our WRs. I think Percy, Berrian, Jenkins, Camarillo, and Jaymar are almost locks. I really think Arceneaux looks the biggest, strongest, and has the best body control of the remaining WR’s. Good call there
i hope he gets some decent opportunities in the preseason
i’d love to see what Arceneaux’s really got, i just fear we found a steal and if placed on waivers/PS another team will pluck him.
none of the other guys, Aromashadoodoo included, excite me.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Nestea
I’d just like to say that this Depth Chart post is alot more interesting with the Nesttea adverts on either flank. Flanks. Hmmn. Yes. This site looks better and better every month.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
especially...
<~~~~ [lower case d]
convenient framing with the bottle. a la Bill Hicks, i dunno the connection, but damned if Nestea isn’t on my grocery list this week…!!
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
The Vikings purple bikini on the right was a nice touch too.
Her plastic horned helmet must have fallen off right before the picture was taken.

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