Ah, crap.
by KJSegall on Aug 22, 2011 6:09 PM CDT
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PrintYeah, that title is descriptive enough. News is breaking today of two injuries coming out of Saturday's pre-season game: one that is likely catastrophic for one man's chances to make the team, and one that might be catastrophic for the team in general.
Kevin Williams has injured his foot, reports are now saying, and he was held out of practice today. According to HC Leslie Frazier, it's been bugging him for a few weeks now, and he's been having trouble pushing off of it. The team is now asking Williams to see a specialist.
Hopefully this is something minor, and won't affect Williams in the upcoming season. However, foot injuries have a wonderful way of nagging on and on.
Also, OT Scott Kooistra has been officially placed on IR due to a neck injury suffered in the game at Seattle, and is still there seeking treatment. Whether or not Kooistra stays on IR ala Jaymar Johnson, or is eventually released, remains to be seen.
The Vikings signed Stylez White, who is a DE, with the spot freed by Kooistra.
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I love the name Stylez
Hope KWill is gets better before the season starts because Lord knows…we need him.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
He'll have 4 weeks to recoup at least.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Thought the same thing
If he is suspended, he sits 4 weeks and is forced to rest the foot, where if he wasn’t he would more than likely try and play throughout it.
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by Ted Glover on Aug 22, 2011 8:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I almost
wrote in the article that for once, I was actually enjoying the idea of the suspension for that very reason. Kevin Williams strikes me as a hard guy to bench for “rest-your-injury” issues. But I still can’t philosophically get behind it… so I left that sentence out.
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Well...
… he probably will sit two games for the diuretics thing, so maybe this is the time to rehab the foot. I don’t think KWill really needs the preseason at this point anyhow. He just needs to be healthy.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 24, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There are some free agent defensive tackles available
Tank Johnson
John McCargo
Pat Williams
Marcus Stroud
Tony Brown
Also, there will be some cuts. New England loaded up on DTs and may release Ron Brace.
I would like to know...
why in the world Pat Williams is still on that list. How come nobody has picked that guy up yet? Yes, he had an off season last year, and I understand why we haven’t re-signed him, but I’m very surprised no other team in the NFL has tried to bring him on board. My first guess as a new home for my beloved Phat Pat would have been Carolina, but then I remembered they were in a youth movement (best shown by the retarded move to let Julius Peppers go… good work Panthers).
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Pat Williams is over the hill
I loved watching him play in his prime, but Pat Williams is now just too old to be a starter. He has slowed down, and he can’t play more than about a third of the game. He’s not as effective stopping the run as he used to be.
If your team has a great starting DT, then Pat Williams could be a good backup. Otherwise, look elsewhere for a starter.
cuz he's 400 years old, and he needs a breather after running onto the field.
and he’s a suspension guy.
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Pat Williams will be available until two things happen
1 – until he’s the best remaining DT looking for a job
and
2 – until Starcaps is resolved, and teams know whether he’ll surve a suspension
OK, I'm going to call myself an idiot...
for totally forgetting about the suspension issue. (Holy hell how did I do that.) That said, I’m looking at teams with real question marks at D-line and/or young DTs that could use a solid mentor. Granted, I haven’t a clue whether Pat Williams would be OK with being in a backup/ mentor role, but if he was, you’d have yourself a helluva guy for it.
But yeah. The suspension thing is totally a big issue… and I’m a moron for letting it slip my mind.
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I hope KWill's injury is not serious
That would be a huge blow to our D-line and over all defense. This would be a major set back, he is someone that you just can’t replace.
With the way the second team defensive line played in Seattle
It at least give me some hope that the Vikings have options if Kevin Williams is sidelined for some time with this foot injury.
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Same...
but… to be the pessimist… I really dislike the idea of Jared Allen being the lone man standing from the glorious Four Norseman of the Apocalypse period. If KWill ends up being suspended for those first four games, I hope we can hold the longboat down, but then I hope he returns for the following twelve as healthy as humanly possible. (And as destructive as defensive tackely possible.)
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i actually don't mind b-cuz it will give some of the other guys a chance to step it up.
i think our back up linemen are pretty good and it will be good to see who shines in the absence of williams. also, he might not even be really healed after 4 weeks off, that injury type can really linger and reoccur (hopefully not, of course).
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Yeah, that's the thing about foot injuries.
Short of staying in a wheelchair for a while, you can’t really rest those kind of injuries. Boots and whatnot help… but you’re still using it some. And with the amount of pressure placed on it for a DT’s explosion, it could come back in a big way.
Here’s hoping none of that comes true and I’m totally wrong.
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Christian Ballard
Watch this guy. He has the look of a future star. Let him fill in for Kevin, just for the first four games, and he’ll play great.
Vikings got a steal with Christian Ballard.
I don't know K Will doesn't worry me as much as Kooistra does (that names a hoot)
What really leaves me wondering is that we picked up a DE instead of another Guard. I didn’t really see anything to recommend our current bunch of numb nuts and it looks like Hererra might be out for longer than expected (if not forever), and Everson and Robinson were supposed to be doing fairly well…
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I wondered that too.
But then it occured to me that perhaps the Vikings are continuing to pursue the ‘BPA’ strategy even now. Their last two moves have included RB (like we need that) and now DE (OK, we’re a little thin, but it’s by no means a key weakness). If there’s no one out there worthy of picking up at an identified weakness, then there’s still just no sense picking them up ‘just becaus’.
I’m also no very sold on trades for the Vikings right now. PM anyone we have worth trading we need right now (unless the Redskins can be fleeced into a trade for Bernard Berrian… I’m on board with that, I’m not even sure I care that much what we would get in said trade). And as far as trading draft picks… we’re in a re-loading phase right now, so we’ll need this year’s and next year’s draft picks.Trading a fifth-rounder for McNabb was OK, but I’m not sure what other quality we would get for such a low-level pick.
I love and am totally aboard the longship with the Vikings’ desire to continue to remain competitive. That said, I’d rather take an extra loss or even two this year, with the idea that we still have a full load of picks next draft to help patch the holes and make our glorious undefeated Super Bowl run. (I.e.- no more third-rounder for Moss moves.)
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I can fix this pretty easily
I would call New England and offer our 2nd round pick in 2012 for Matt Light.
I would contact Brian Waters and see if he had another season left in him as well. IF he said no then maybe I look at Leonard Davis. But maybe neither of these two are necessary because Charlie Johnson could slide inside to right guard.
Dallas may release Andre Gurode who I would pick up right away to play center.
So if they get Light you have Light, Hutchinson, Sullivan, Johnson, & Loadholt.
Without Light and signing the other two they could have …
Johnson, Hutchinson, Gurode, Waters, & Loadholt.
Not too bad on paper.
There are not too many DTs out there but there could be some decent ones that get released.
While I want the team to keep all their picks, I do realize that Frazier needs to win most of all if he wants to keep his job. It is a tough call really. But if you got Light then you do not have to take a tackle in the first round next year.
Just curious Mark
What did you do in a previous life to be so astute at cap-ology and trades?
by Jepp The Viking on Aug 23, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear ya, and it's NOT a terrible plan.
Especially since you know my grief with the O-line. However, Light is 33… how many more years of high productivity do you feel he’s got at LT? Not to mention, I’m gunshy about trades with New England…
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STUPID POST BUTTON!
Man, I had gotten good too at finishing thoughts before posting. Anyhoo, with Light being 33 and all, I wonder about not taking a LT in the first round anyways, at least by 2013. To me, it only delays the inevitable drafting of our LTOTF, and only by a year… not sold that’s worth a second rounder.
That said, I do agree that Frazier will be in hot water if he doesn’t do well this season, especially with the need for positive publicity for the new stadium deal and whatnot. A surprising season from the Vikings could probably go a long way- the bandwagon fans would be far more likely to support the bill in that case.
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Light is better than anything we have now
He is going downhill in his career but still effective. He is 6-4 305 so he is right about the same size as Love. Perhaps he can impart some wisdom to Love?
Adding him and sliding Johnson inside to guard may solve a lot of problems this year.
If you want to upgrade the line to be competitive this year then this is as good as they are going to get.
I could live without a second round pick. Maybe they can do it for two 3rd round picks in consecutive years instead?
I doubt they do it though. But I do believe that you will see the Patriots deal him.
It all depends on Solder
From what I recall, he was a raw prospect. I’m not sure they’ll be ready to just push him into the starting position.
If they’re going to try trading anyone, I think it will be Kaczur, since he refused to take a paycut for the team. Then they can swing Vollmer back into the G position and let Solder take over the easier RT duties if need-be.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 23, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Solder has started in the first two games (at least he did in this last game). I just checked it with the NFL preseason package. I am not sure how much Light has played if at all.
I think they are trying to see if Solder can do it and then I think they will move Light.
They already released Kaczur. He is a free agent.
So, wait..
Why haven’t we tried getting Kaczur yet for our G issues?
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 23, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
In the win-now mode, I'm with you.
Again, you know the one thing we’ll never argue about is the current state of our O-line and the necessity to fix it. I’m more preferential to the double third-round idea though, as third rounders often don’t live up to expectations, whereas there’s still real starting talent often in the second.
And the concept of him mentoring Love is intriguing. If that worked out, you would be a genius, and I would be the first to say so.
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If not this year...
Frazier could limp along with what he’s got on the Offensive Line, but then he should address the problem promptly in next year’s draft. Vikings need first a serious star WR, but second they need a major upgrade at left Offensive Tackle.
Assuming they were going to draft a new left OT in the second round, then it makes some sense to offer that pick for a proven veteran like Light. On the other hand, isn’t Charlie Johnson a proven veteran? Maybe he’ll do okay.
Part of this is our reluctance to face the reality that rebuilding this Vikings team into a champion is a multi-year effort. Sure, you can occasionally luck into a good player through the CFL, waivers or a trade, but for the most part you build a great team through the draft. Trading away draft picks tends to undercut the team’s ability to keep young blood in the system.
I think the Vikings should stick with the players they have now. DeMarcus Love looks like a promising OT to me. He showed quick feet against the Titans. Who says Frazier can’t train this guy or others into competent pass protectors? Give the new staff a chance to demonstrate their expertise as coaches. Maybe they can forge good players from the material they have right now. Give it a year before you decide Frazier and his staff are as clueless as Childress.
I don't know if we need a receiver more than we need offensive linemen
A lot of teams get by very well with a coral of solid but not great receivers add to that Musgraves offensive mind set and maybe we don’t really need to get a rock star. We do however have no chance if our line continues to age into decrepitudeness (I made that up). I would have been ticked if we hadn’t gone o line in the first round this year except we went QB and honestly that was more important in the end.
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OT beats WR.
Especially on a team with a young QB and a run-heavy offense. I can wait a bit longer for our next Randy Moss… I’m not willing to wait as long for the LTOTF.
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Star WRs can be had all over the draft.
For example, Leonard Hankerson, who could easily be argued as the best receiver of this last draft class, was taken 79th overall, in round 3.
I would be more concerned about getting the O Linemen we want early. If Love shapes up as a solid LT, then we can work on a replacement for Hutch and Herrera. If Fusco doesn’t pan out at all, we might look for a new C as well. O Line is the most important position anyways, particularly for a team that likes to run.
I would place our needs as Left Tackle, Center, Guard, Guard.
This may change as the season goes on but honestly Sully needs to be replaced sooner than later. And since no one really knows what’s happening in out LT spot that obviously needs to be looked at as well.
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That's where all the "if"s came in.
Love has a chance to compete for LT. If he turns out to be average or above average at LT, then we don’t need to look as hard there as we do for interior linemen. I’m also hoping Fusco really steps it up at C, as he’s larger than Sullivan. If both Love and Fusco were to become starters, then we’d just have to be concerned with Gs.
If Love doesn’t work at LT, he can probably hold down a G spot, and then we’d need LT, G, and C.
In any case, the interior line needs to be effective if we want a consistent run game.
well we aren't trading here we are picking up guys who aren't on teams yet...
So not sure where bpa works into it. I agree with you though we should keep all our picks.
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The good news
Players who are sent to injured reserve by a club receive their full salary unless they signed a “split contract”. A split contract designates a base salary for a player if he makes the team and a lower salary if he winds up on injured reserve. Typically the only players signing a split contract are undrafted rookies and a few veterans with severe medical histories.
The good news is that Koistra will get paid, something that wasn’t guaranteed had he not gone on IR. In fact I’d say it was pretty unlikely. And as an 8 year veteran, I’d say the odds are good he wasn’t on a split contract.
Good luck with your rehab Scott! God knows I’d love to make the veteran minimum (which is pretty nice for a player with as many years as he has).
Stylez G. White
That’ precious. It ain’t no World B. Free, but it’s pretty special.
I know it’s insignificant, but can he play?
Well looks like he hurt his C2
Hopefully it’s not to bad, spinal injuries especially up that high are terrible.
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...good news for Williams... and Vikings fans
First, his foot problem seems to be plantar faciitis which can be minimized by simply rest. Second, word is that his suspension is only going to be two weeks providing a little more rest.
plantar faciitis
I’ve been limping on and off with plantar faciitis for 10 years, and I’m half Kevin Williams’ size.
I don’t think that bodes too well. He could very easily have ongoing issues.
Plantar fascitiis
Affects everyone differently, depending on severity, foot structure, and how much rest is actually given; treatment can be anything from custom foot orthotics, night splints, complete immobilization of the bottom of the foot, or simply rest and anti-inflammatories; I see it every day, and everyone reacts differently; rest and stretching the plantar fascia will generally benefit anyone
A report I would love to see INJURIES THIS YEAR
I would love to see a report comparing the number of season ending, (career ending) season shortening there has been from the start of of practices to now, compared to the same time frame for the previous 3 years. It seems to me in general over all there has been more, but maybe that is because it is just current. I fear the linger effect of the lock our is going to be more injuries and a year where more than any other the winner will be the ones with the least injuries.
REDONE
I would love to see a report comparing the number of season ending, (career ending) injuries season shortening there has been from the start of of practices to now, Then compare it to the same time frame for the previous 3 years. It seems to me that in general there has been more injuries this year. Maybe that is because it is just current..
I fear the lingering effect of the lock out is going to be more injuries so that year more than any other year the winner will be the ones with the least injuries.
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