Breaking Down Joe Webb, The QB And WR
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM CDT
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(Joe webb breaking Ndamukong Suh's ankles, he'd later be put on IR and diagnosed with the brown shorts - Photo courtesy of Zimbio.com)
With the 199th overall pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings selected Joe Webb, a quarterback and wide reciever out of UAB. He entered camp to be a WR, but he quickly impressed our staff with his throwing capability and they soon realized that UAB knew what they were doing when they moved him to quarterback. With the 12th overall pick in the 2011 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings selected Christian Ponder, quarterback out of The Florida State University. This quickly brought question to wether or not we will or should keep Webb at QB.
Today, I'm going to look at Joe Webb, evaluate him as a QB and WR, and hopefully, explain to you why we moved him to QB in the first place and why he should be kept there. But you'll have to jump for it.
I'll admit, I, and most likely none of you, didn't realize what we had in Joe Webb when we drafted him. I had never heard his name before and I had no idea how good he was or that he'd ever played QB. As I got to researching, I realized that he was a phenominal college QB. In fact, he had a heisman caliber season, but was overlooked because he didn't attend a big time college like Oklahoma, Florida State, or Alabama. Here's some of his numbers if you don't believe me.
| Season | TEAM | G | ATT | COMP | YDS | INT | TDS | SACKED | RATING |
| 2006-07 | UAB | 2 | 51 | 33 | 426 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 141.3 |
| 2007-08 | UAB | 11 | 117 | 65 | 679 | 1 | 5 | 5 | 116.7 |
| 2008-09 | UAB | 12 | 353 | 208 | 2367 | 16 | 10 | 22 | 115.5 |
| 2009-10 | UAB | 12 | 271 | 162 | 2299 | 8 | 21 | 21 | 150.7 |
| TOTAL | 37 | 792 | 468 | 5771 | 25 | 37 | 57 | 129.4 |
Along with his 60% completion rate, 2299 yards passing and 21 TD's (8 INT's), he had an amazing 1427 yards rushing for 6.3 yards/rush and 11 more TD's to only two fumbles. For a comparison, let's look at a heisman candidate that year, Tim Tebow. He passed for 2895 yards, 21 TD's and five INT's while rushing for 910 yards and 14 TD's (6 fumbles). I'd say their pretty damn even. Webb broke numerous records in 09', becoming the first player in NCAA history to pass for more than 2,000 yards and rush for 1,000 in consecutive seasons(2008-9, 2009-10) and finishing with the third most yards by a QB in a single season in NCAA history with 3726.
Now let's look at his recieving stats:
| Season | TEAM | G | RECPT | YDS | TDS |
| 2007-08 | UAB | 11 | 30 | 459 | 3 |
| 2009-10 | UAB | 12 | 2 | 12 | 1 |
| TOTAL | 37 | 32 | 471 | 4 |
That's what you call sixth round talent right there. I don't see how people can say he'll become a "stud" WR in the NFL, when it's clear that he was nothing more than a below average WR in college. Webb needs to stay at QB, where he is proven and will be a very solid backup for Christian Ponder next year, or maybe even the starter if he can continue progressing.
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I don’t see how people can say he’ll become a “stud” WR in the NFL, when it’s clear that he was nothing more than a below average WR in college.
I’ll say it. I think that, if this phenomenal athlete were to put his mind to it, he could be an exceptional WR in this league. I’d like to be a fly on the wall if he and Frasier were to have a discussion (assuming Webb is delegated to the #3 QB position) on whether he would want to give it a shot or not. Frasier’s decision ultimately but with his coaching style, I think this might come up – although I do understand everyone’s argument to the contrary.
UAB vs. Florida?
No comment on that? That’s like comparing South Dakota State and Iowa…
Webb was told by scouts that he’s have a better chance to succeed in the NFL as a WR and that’s how he entered the draft. He is only a QB because of Brad Childress. His skill set better suit him to play WR than QB. All he needs is experience.
Yes he was playing against lesser competition, but he was also playing with it, thus balancing things out. Why give him experience at another position that would never amount to the importance of the position he’s already in? Webb wouldn’t have made the team as a WR. He proved at UAB that he can’t run routes, block, or catch, so how do you expect him to do better in the NFL??
His skill set better suit him to play WR than QB.
No it’s not. His body type is perfect for a WR, but his skill set is at quarterback. I’m 6’2", 195, fast, and lengthy, but that doesn’t mean I’d be a good WR. In fact, I can’t catch worth a damn. Having a athletic body type does not make me or Joe Webb a good WR. Joe Webb is proven at QB, and next year, we’ll need him as our #2 man. I wouldn’t want to risk another injury to him by playing him out of position again.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If you claim to know nothing about Joe Webb during his time at UAB, how do you know he can’t run routes, block or catch? This is absurd.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
From scouting reports, it's called doing research
CBS Sports:
Needs time on the Jugs machine to secure balls more consistently and tucking them away before making a move. Can track the ball over either shoulder down the sideline.
Route running: Relatively inexperienced as route runner; will round them off and give defenders clues before he makes the cut. Blocking: Has prototypical body, hands and upper-body strength to be effective downfield, but is very inexperienced here. Must prove he can be explosive and his effort can be consistent in training camp to see time on the field.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Right because you practice blocking and route running so much when you play QB for 3.5 years. How are you failing to comprehend these things? The guy needs time to learn the position.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
You just blew your argument up
You say he has no experience being a WR and they you say he needs to be a WR?? You just can’t win with some people…. I’m open minded, I like the idea of some wildcat packages, but I’m against him completely focusing on being a WR.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said you can’t compare his collegiate stats at the two positions because he rarely played at WR in college. This might surprise you, but you don’t do blocking drills as a college QB.
I just displayed four recent examples of players switching positions. It has happened before. It will happen again.
Furthermore, regardless of which position he plays, Webb is a project. He needs a ton of reps. This is called development.
If more people viewed him as a sure-fire QB, he wouldn’t have fallen to the 199th pick.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
He wasn't recognized, as I mentioned in the post
There are 224 picks in the draft. Do you really think that the organizations evaluate that many athletes? No. They just pay attention to the 50 or so major programs that keep the NCAA rolling and UAB is not one of those programs. Can you read those stats and honestly tell me that you don’t think he can be a sucessful QB? Also, why the smug remarks?
This is called development, This might surprise you, This is absurd
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I can list you a ton of QBs who have put up better numbers that didn’t get drafted or have gone on to do nothing.
I think it’s interesting you chose to compare him with Tim Tebow. Doesn’t look too great for Tim as he holds the clipboard and sits behind Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
and Denver is looking to trade him now as well.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
And I could list QB’s that were average in college but did good in the NFL.
I wasn’t comparing them to one another at all. I was comparing their numbers to show that he had a heisman caliber season. Nowhere in the article did I say he was a better or worse player than Tebow. Even Tom Brady was a third stringer once.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
going aling with your thinking. We should all be clamoring for Tebow to become a RB because of his athleticism and lack of Qb fundementals
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Tebow at tight end. But that’s just me. He’s not a real strong runner.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Additionally, I never would have drafted Tebow. Either as a QB or an athlete. Seems like a nice guy and I wish him success.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
31 other teams beside would have drafted Tebow. Me and you aren’t GM’s, and that’s probably best.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides Denver**
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Eventually, However 20 some odd teams also passed over him in Rd 1
If the talent evaluators thought he would be an excellent QB right away he would have gone well before he did. Tebow going where he did actually just shows how much McDaniels was in over his head as a coach
Have to disagree strongly with you there.
Kind of funny as we have agreed on many other points but not an athlete? I beg to differ. (would look up cool Tebow running highlights at this point but too lazy)
I don’t mean to say he isn’t athletic but at the time and even know it’s a struggle to figure out where he best fits on the football field. Clearly he did some great things for the University of Florida. I don’t see that happening in the NFL.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
"If more people viewed him as a sure-fire QB, he wouldn’t have fallen to the 199th pick."
So people didn’t view him as a sure-fire QB. So what? He’s shown enough to have earned the right to compete at the position. And, I’m sure it hasn’t escaped your notice that Tom Brady was also picked at 199. Sometimes you just get lucky. Embrace it.
by kcskol on Aug 24, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want some time on the jugs machine...
Wait was that out loud?
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
by Grime on Aug 24, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're a sick man Grime,
but I like it.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Pat on back : )
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
tom brady was the 199th pick in the draft too.
mak07 said: “He is only a QB because of Brad Childress. His skill set better suit him to play WR than QB. All he needs is experience.”
the vikings were so impressed with him at qb that they moved him to qb when they were desperate for wide receivers. and, they already had 3 veteran qb’s (favre, t-jack and rosenfels). remember, the vikings had been trying for 2 years to get rosenfels before they got him. but in the end, they traded rosenfels (who they had just given another extention to) away and kept webb as a qb. good thing too, because we needed him to play qb. i loved that philly game, he was toying with people. he’s great at qb!
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wouldn't say great at QB
as he has yet to through a TD in the regular season in 2.5 games last year and in 2 preseason games thus far. Damn you Arceneau!
Wasn't one dropped and one called back?
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the pass to Rice was overturned on review...
…which was the wrong call. Same kind of catch happened during the Seattle game when Seattle’s WR caught the ball on the 4 yard line. The catch was upheld on review.
In addition to the overturned passing TD, Webb also scored two TDs with his feet. 7 points is 7 points.
Id prefer my RB to score with his feet and actually have a QB who can do his job and throw the ball in the endzone
by viking_#28 on Aug 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm indifferent to who scores the points.
The fact is that the constant breakdown of our O-line was responsible for Webb taking to his feet, and only Webb was capable of putting those points on the board as a result.
Exactly
It’s not like we were running the damn option every down, he was just making plays. I’d rather him scramble and get a couple yards an possibly tackled then him get hit on his blindside and us lose yards.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 25, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
BRAINS.... BRAINS....
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 25, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should do this more often...
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Wait,
They were both chosen 199??!! WEBB, THY NAME HATH BEEN CALLED ON BY DESTINY!!
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
at the time there was chatter that one of the reasons Childress moved Webb over
was to get rid of Sage, who he felt Ziggy pushed on him as a safety valve in case TJ never showed up. So there may have been more than one reason Childress did what he did. Also stating that someone is a good QB because Childress said so is pretty much like kicking yourself in the baby maker.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
i didn't say this
grime trying to interpret: “Childress said so is pretty much like kicking yourself in the baby maker.”
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Who was doing this? If I remember correctly it was Childress who made this call
the vikings were so impressed with him at qb that they moved him to qb when they were desperate for wide receivers
As you put in your blurb the rest of the organization thought Sage was pretty sweet however he never really got on Childress’s good side. I don’t even know why I try to talk to you like putting your head in a thresher.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
you try to misrepresent other people's comments. it's kinda lame.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
YAY!!
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Childress did not want him here because he was going after Favre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j3_hi7gOjE0
Plus do WE really want that as our starting QB?
+7
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
favre was already in camp with extra cash in hand.
they traded away rosenfels after the last pre-season game sept. 3.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
I know
But Sage came in to town the same year as brett did in 09! The front office wanted Sage not brett (except for chilly). So the FO went out and got Sage and Chilly said F that and went out and got favre.
yes
this is the real reason he kept TJ. Everyone knew TJ wasn’t anywhere near ready to take the reigns bit Chilly kept insisting because he knew he could then have an excuse to beg for Favre.
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
that sounds like your interpretation, do you have any source for that?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
nah no source
yes this is my interpretation, i just looked at how the cards fell and tried to make sense of Chilly’s actions
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/99461614.html
Webb, a quarterback at Alabama-Birmingham, was taken with the expectation he would be moved to wide receiver. However, he impressed the Vikings enough with his throwing during a rookie camp that he will enter training camp battling for a job at the quarterback position.
http://blog.vikings.com/tag/sage-rosenfels/
Webb was selected by the Vikings in the 6th round (199th overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft and ever since his inception to the organization he’s continued to provide the team with a multitude of options. He began rookie minicamp as a WR but the coaching staff felt it was best suited for the former Blazer to return to his natural position under center.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Question: Was he supposed to get better at WR in college by throwing the ball to himself? Comparing his college receiving stats to his passing stats is dumb.
Comparatively: Antwaan Randle El caught a total of six passes for 84 yards and a touchdown for the Indiana Hoosiers. He worked out pretty well for the Steelers. Ronald Curry caught one pass for the North Carolina Tar Heels. He went on to have three 50+ reception seasons for the Oakland Raiders.
It’s about maximizing skill sets. Webb had better seasons at QB in college than both Curry and Randle El, but just like those guys he is an elite athlete and is capable of making the switch. He’s more beneficial to this team as a wideout.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Do you want more college QBs who have found a niche at WR in the NFL?
Brad Smith, Missouri, eight receptions.
Joshua Cribbs, Kent State, four receptions.
None of the four I listed were ever going to play QB at a high level in the NFL. All carved out niches in the NFL and have had successful careers. Joe Webb isn’t going to become Sidney Rice 2.0 but if he can provide some athleticism in the slot position it can only help.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
There are these things call "anomilies".
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps you mean “anomalies”? I think we should probably consider his victory over the Eagles an anomaly.
Do you really believe Joe Webb has more value as a project QB than as a kick returner?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Do you really believe Joe Webb has more value as a project QB than as a kick returner?
absolutely.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
especially when we have
Harvin, Johnson and Booker who can all return kicks pretty darn well
by viking_#28 on Aug 24, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Webb's future as a punt returner:
Another leg injury
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, yes. 100%.
Booker does just fine as a kick returner. So does Harvin. Neither can play QB. I’d recommend keeping Webb at QB.
by kcskol on Aug 24, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well maybe harvin can?
Didn’t he do some some of that at Florida with tebow? taking direct snaps i mean
lol look at Webb and his stats and tell me this boy isn't an anomoly..
sorry but that was funny.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Hines Ward
went to Georgia to play QB. He had never played WR til his sophomore year there. I think he did alright.
So you want him to play in the slot over Harvin? who is easily our best WR
and as last year proved, Harvin needs to be lined up in the slot, not outside. Joe Webb will make a great back up QB because in a year or two the vikings will be able to flip him for a high draft pick, the way Philly did with an unproven QB… whats his name? oh yea Kolb
agree, harvin on the outside worries me, he is such a natural slot gu, imo.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
but
that was their choice to switch. Not yours or coaches, they knew their limitations as Qbs and choose to switch. If Webb wants to stay as a backup and hopefully progress into a starting role with us or another team, then that is his choice.
If the Vikings did not want him at Qb then they would have let him go. He is too much of a project at WR to keep on the roster. And if you think he would survive and make it to the practice squad then you are dreaming. Another team would just scoop him up and groom him for QB.
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
I’ve been trying to say that.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody is going to groom him at QB
You’re right, he probably won’t make it onto the practice squad, but another team would pick him up to play WR. That’s where every other team evaluated him pre-draft. So why would they automatically think he’s a QB now? Because of his preformance at QB? Please… He played ok against Phili, but against Detroit he was worse than Tarvaris Jackson. Our only offensive score came on a Jared Allen INT return for a TD. Against Detroit, mind you…
that Colt team was the worst ever.
Jesus at QB, Bhudda at left tackle and some crazy muslim hunting heads in the defense couldn’t have helped that team.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
"he played better in his first 3 games than peyton manning did."
good thing they didn’t give up on manning, he’s one of the top 5 qb’s al time now.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What was left of the Vikings O-line against the Lions wasn't much to speak about...
…and Peterson was struggling with a thigh injury (a parting gift from Tavaris Jackson).
by kcskol on Aug 24, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He played well for a rookie, and was hardly the reason we lost vs Detroit.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Because “insiders” like Merril Hodge and Adam Schefter dillute the minds of the simple.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Kidding of course : )
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
because some people that repeat the same argument don't think he can think.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Webb will never win the starting QB job in Minnesota
And that’s that.
Cowbell won’t like to hear it, but it is what it is.
I agree
I like Joe Webb as our backup next year behind CP. If he continues to progress, we could get a second (maybe even first) rounder for him in the future You know what happens when you assume things right? ; )
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said anything about starting..
he can just be a quality back up.
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
As MarkSP said on another thread Sage is 31 and still making a load of money.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
That other guy who was picked 199 didn't stand much chance either until Bledsoe was injured.
Stuff happens in the NFL. Always be prepared to play. Even if you are the 3rd string QB going into a cold night game against the Bears.
And by the way, Ponder hasn’t proved anything yet. I think he’s doing fine for being a rookie QB in a weird offseason, but he certainly hasn’t impressed at this point.
pellisero and zulgad say that ponder's head is swimming and he keeps overthrowing receivers.
http://www.1500espn.com/videos/who_can_give_the_vikings_offense_a_vertical_presence
they mention that with a limited package, the game is still too fast for him and he is always behind a half a step, thus he is throwing off his back foot and overthrowing his targets. oh well, he had his chance ;).
i guess the “mental” part of the game has overtaken ponder’s ability to process information ;).
i wonder if he has the “athleticism” to play another position to “benefit the team” ;).
i think he should return punts until he can learn to play qb ;).
of course i’m just kidding…i’d give all our young qb’s a chance to develop, even the ps-guy bomar.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a good sign, but hey,
we talkin bout practice man. Not a game, practice.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
are you kidding, a number 12 pick qbotf should even need ANY practice.
he should be able to step right in and start and lead us to the super bowl right away ;).
heck, with ponder, we don’t even need a #2 qb, OR a #3 qb. why, he’s better than most if
ot all of the starting qb’s in the league already ;)….cuz WE picked him, of course :0.
i mean, he IS a “cerebral” type of player, not some illiterate “athletic” type ;).
we’re set to win multiple super bowls now, without practice :).
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Do Judd and the young guy have pants on?
Looks like they are doing this video inside of a shower.
Even so, they pretty much nailed the criticism of our O-line. I was a little shocked to hear Judd say that he’d be surprised if Charlie Johnson makes it at left tackle for the full 16 games. Oh dear.
Interesting video. Thanks for posting the link.
This argument is getting stale
None of this really matters as it will be ultimately Webb’s choice as to where he goes. I don’t see Frazier making the mistake of telling a player what to do. Webb clearly wants to play QB and while we haven’t seen enough of him to really state how good he’ll be in the future he has had flashes of goodness and is better than TJ and has more of a future than Favre. Guess what I’m trying to say is that I think a lot of people got a little to excited last year seeing him in the game. His stats last year were not good enough for people to be this excited about him as a QB.
in the end it will be up to Webb and good luck to him I hope he takes the NFL by storm I’m personally not invested in either QB I just want to see the Vikes dominate.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
by Grime on Aug 24, 2011 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a Zombie Topic
No matter how many times you kill it, it keeps coming back….
And it wants to eat your brain….
:)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Aug 24, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That was FTW, and you got it sir.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If you live in MN i would highly reccomend checking out the ZPC if you haven’t done so in previous years
Nope
I’m a Florida boy. What’s the ZPC?
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 25, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
well said because it certainly is eating my brain.
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
here here i 2nd that
so tired of beating this dead horse
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Webb is a weaker WR prospect than QB prospect
He flat out has more potential to be a good QB than a good WR. He should stay at QB. End of story.
Plus we need an insurance policy for Ponder in case of injury or ineffectiveness. If we move Webb to WR, then we have to go out and get a young guy with high upside (another Joe Webb) to replace him.
I like Webb as a backup QB because I think there are options to use him with McNabb on the field in goal line and short yardage situations. Webb can go to the backfield and run wildcat. Or he can split wide and run a WR route.
While I don’t believe Webb is a good WR prospect I do believe they should work him into special packages where he just masters 3 or 4 different routes.
Exactly
New England just drafted Ryan Mallett, and it wasn’t to turn him into a TE. Why? Because they need a solid backup if Brady goes down. Depth at QB>depth at WR. We have plenty of young talent at WR, and we’ll only have two QB’s next year.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
mallet really can't be compared to Webb
Seriously people..
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
I was comparing their “out of position body types”.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I can buy that
I’d say Webb is probably a far better QB right now than he is WR -
BUT, where does he have the most upside?
1) There is only one starting QB on each team. There are 3+ WR spots.
2) His athleticism at QB is more likely to get him killed (by exposing himself to hits), whereas at WR, it would serve him
3) What’s harder – learning to read defenses and throw accurate passes like a quality NFL QB, or learning how to run routes and catch passes as a WR?
I don’t argue that he’s more experienced and thus likely better off at QB than WR right now, but in the long run? Unless he’s content to be a backup QB for a long time (possibly his entire career), I’d bet he has a better chance of seeing the field at WR.
by rovibe on Aug 24, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wait... So
How is his athleticism going to get him killed playing QB but not WR? I am pretty sure defenses tackle WRs just as hard as they do RBs and QBs.
@Rovibe
1. A backup QB makes a lot more than a 3rd or 4th string WR
2. Both QB and WR have to know how to read defenses. When you hear of killer QB/WR combos it is because they are on the same page with their reads.
In the long run he can stay in the league far longer as a backup QB than a WR.
by midnightwonder on Aug 24, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
1. We have plenty of youth at WR
2. Being able to scramble doesn’t hurt a QB, it helps him as long as he’s smart with it.
3. He already knows how to play QB, so…
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
Meant to reply to Rovibe
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 24, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Webb will be the starting QB
before the end of this season. Even better, he will continue to demonstrate that when he is playing QB the Vikes move down the field. He is a winner and finds a way to make plays work.
by berserkerND on Aug 24, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
That's right. It's about moving the chains and getting points on the board.
I don’t care if that happens with one’s arm, one’s feet, via penalties or handing the ball off to someone else. What Webb brings to the position is a capability that requires the defense to prepare for Webb to do just about anything. That makes things easier for everyone else on offense… including Webb.
As much as I love Ponder,
I’m pulling for Webb to be our starter. Both are far away from being full season ready, but Webb would make our offense (which was the reason we lost ten games last year) that much more dynamic. I can see it now…. Snap to Webb, hands off to AD, AD runs wide left, throws it back across the field to Webb who is wide open on the right side. TD
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 25, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think
Joe Webb had good enough hands to catch a pass from Peterson though? Or maybe Webb will not be able to run the route.
I had to, sorry. This was meant more as a joke than a slam.
Technically, it'd be a lateral.
Yeah, who’s smart now : )
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 25, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's actually not that uncommon of a play
Just about every team does it once a year.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and we shall rise again.
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