Friday At Mankato--Defense Ahead Of Offense, Michael Jenkins Looks Good, And For The Last Time, Joe Webb Is A QB.
Hi kids! Your humble correspondent has had quite a day. First off, before I go any further, I want to say thanks to Jeff Anderson, Darrell Jackson, and the Vikings Public Affairs staff. They have gone out of their way to make sure we...and when I say we, I mean you guys, because you're why I'm doing this (well, okay, it's cool as hell to be standing and talking football with Jim Kleinsasser, but you know what I mean) get all of our needs met.
I'm still waiting for that 6 year, $35 million dollar guaranteed contract that I asked about earlier, but I'm not complaining, really I'm not.
I came away with several impressions of the afternoon practice, and I think I got some of your questions answered. Today, I looked hard at the QB's, the WR's, and stood in awe of Adrian Peterson. Dude is an absolute freak, and if today was any indication, he is going to have a monster year. Just a man among boys at times out there, and there are a lot of men on the defense; Peterson is just unreal.
So, let's talk primarily offense after the jump. Tomorrow, my focus is on defense. Also some videos and pictures after the jump.
Let's talk about quarterbacks, because that's where a lot of the questions lie with the Vikings. Not going to talk a lot about McNabb. He's a veteran, he looks good, and he looks relaxed. I think he'll be fine. And WR Michael Jenkins is happy to be catching footballs from him.
1st team backfield during afternoon warm ups. Yeah, I was that close.
"(He throws a) great ball. He always puts it in a position where either you or no one can catch it, and that's all you can ask for is an opportunity to go get it when it's thrown to you."
Christian Ponder. I had the privilege to cover the Vikings at training camp in 2006 for a now defunct website, and as many of you know, that was the first year of Brad Childress' tenure as head coach. It was also Tarvaris Jackson's, and the difference between the two seems vast. And I'm not talking about on the field. I mean, I am, because I think Ponder is going to be pretty good, but I want to focus on the other stuff.
The quarterback 'it' factor is like porn. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
Ponder's got 'it'. Don't know about the porn stuff, though.
In 2006, Jackson seemed uncomfortable with the spotlight and attention that was thrust upon him as the almost dreaded Quarterback Of The Future. I don't know if that was made worse by the serious tone of the camp that Brad Childress set, but it was there, and Jackson struggled the whole camp. Mistakes seemed to bother him, and he just never looked or played comfortably.
I say that to mention the difference between the two. Ponder, even when he makes a mistake, doesn't give off the body language of a guy that's got a lack of confidence, or is uncomfortable in his role; whatever that 'it' factor is a quarterback needs to be successful, he has it. Now, that 'it' factor doesn't mean he's going to be great, but it does give him a leg up on guys that don't have that inner confidence. And it doesn't come off as cocky, but more of a belief in himself. I think the Vikes have a good one with this guy.
Joe Webb: After watching today, Joe Webb isn't going to be moved to wide receiver. Just stop it with that talk; it ain't happening. I don't think the Vikings were seriously considering it, because Webb looks, feels, and plays like a quarterback. And he actually had the highlight of the day, with a little assist from Adrian Peterson:
Just put the Joe Webb to WR wish/fantasy/delusion to rest, okay? Not happening
Webb is another guy that gives off that 'it' factor, and although I don't see the Vikes putting him wide, I do envision putting in a Wildcat package for him. He's a great athlete, and they need to figure out how to get him on the field.
But not as a wide receiver.
Speaking of wide receivers, it looks like the Vikings are going with Percy Harvin, Jenkins, and Bernard Berrian as the top three guys right now. If I had to handicap it right now, the other two guys that are going to make the roster are Greg Camarillo and Jaymar Johnson. Jenkins had a very good day today, making several nice catches. He's a big guy, and although he's new to the team, he's not new to the offensive scheme, and sees himself as a guy that can do a little bit of everything. When asked if he saw himself as an outside guy or a slot guy, he said:
"A little bit of everywhere. In this offense, with the receiver position we can all rotate around, and make plays down the field. I'm excited to be a part of that."
And the Vikings were doing that all afternoon. There was no set formation where guys were consistently lined up at one position, to include Harvin. And although Jenkins doesn't feel that the delay in practicing hurt him, there's still a lot to do.
"We're still heavy in the playbook studying, and for me, coming from Atlanta, this is an offense I'm familiar with."
All that said, the defense is still ahead of the offense. New LT Charlie Johnson was pretty much owned by Jared Allen, as was rookie Demarcus Love. Two points of view on that, though. One could be that Allen is going to rip it up this year, and he's going to be hard for anyone to stop, or the offensive line is going to be a big concern.
I will say, as the team got later in to the practice, Johnson seemed to hold his own on the first team offense, and I will say this: if the offensive line can gel, the Vikings are going to put some points on the board. Adrian Peterson is just a monster, and I like what I've seen from the receivers so far.
It was a whirlwind day, and I'll have posts about Kleinsasser and the defensive backs up in the morning, but we'll give you one more video before we check out. Lorenzo Booker made a nice field reversal in the goal line offense:
Lorenzo Booker makes a nice play
SKOL!
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Still. So. Jealous.
Well done Ted (and SG). Awesome to see our squad getting geared up for the season so up close and personal.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Aug 5, 2011 9:23 PM CDT reply actions
Any impressions of Arceneaux?
I am hoping he impresses and contributes early. But it appears he may be a longshot to make the roster. They signed him to a 3 year deal, so they must have saw something about him that they liked.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
No, Odin, not a lot
Besides Harvin, the guys that have impressed me so far have been Jenkins and Camarillo. Didn’t really talk about him in the piece, but Cammy made a couple of nice catches today with the second and third teams.
Very interesting to me that the Vikes seem to be moving everyone around, inside and outside, both sides of the field.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
I have always liked Cammy.
I was hoping Arceneaux coud be that guy to stretch the field.
Thanks Ted,
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
You're welcome
I think Jaymar Johnson can be that stretch the field guy; he looked very good during individual drills today. Arcenaux and Aramoshodu just didn’t stand out, and with limited roster spots, if they don’t make an impression they wont be around long.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
So glad to hear
that the WR are moving around and learning all the WR positions. last season the WR didn’t seem to know where to go when they weren’t playing their normal ;position. the packers have dont this for years. To be able to shuffle receivers into different positions really the game plan and doesnt hurt as much if you have an injury.
try and ask
Ponder what he thinks about FSU being ranked 5th this year and if he is going to give Peterson a hard time when Oklahoma comes to Tallahassee in week 3…
by FSUViking on Aug 5, 2011 10:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
btw
Glad you liked what you saw out of ponder ted.
by FSUViking on Aug 5, 2011 10:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Brilliant question
I’ll be at the game. You?
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 5, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
im hoping to be
Let me know if you are for sure going and if I go we can tailgate at doak.
by FSUViking on Aug 6, 2011 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Got to talk to Christian a little bit today
had some interesting things to say about how similar the offense is, but didn’t get to talk to him about FSU days, ran out of time.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
no worries
Love the purple tinted truth though. Keep up the great work.
by FSUViking on Aug 6, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
On the Lorenzo Booker reverse,
Watch Ponder. He runs in front of Lorenzo to block for him after the reverse. Any other QB might just assume he’s done his part on the play, after all, it is practice. But no, he throws in that extra effort. Gotta love him.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 5, 2011 10:34 PM CDT reply actions
Ponder has impressed
even though he had a rough afternoon practice, you got the sense that he had learned and moved past it. Very personable kid, really seems to be handling the new found fame well. I like him.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Who has impressed most at QB so far?
And why are Bomar and Ramsey still on the team?
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 5, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ramsey isn't
four QB’s in camp are McNabb, Ponder, Webb, and Bomar. Bomar will get cut, and I like all three QB’s. McNabb just gives off the veteran leader vibe, and he seems relaxed and comfortable.
And oh, I almost hit him with my car today leaving the parking lot. He was on a bike, and someone asked for an autograph, and he wheeled back to sign it and cut right in front of me. While he was writhing in agony on the ground, do you think that would’ve been a good time to ask for an interview?
Webb and Ponder look good, too. If you made me choose, Webb is ahead of Ponder at this point. All three of those guys have that ‘it’ factor, and if the o-line can give them time, I think any of the three can make plays.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
On a bike?
How big of a paycut did he take? : )
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 5, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
They use bikes to go from building to building
on the MSU campus. They live in one dorm, watch film in another, and dress out in another.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Whats your early impressions on the new coaches
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Love 'em
Frazier is low key, but a lot of the other coaches are pretty intense. Watched Singletary with the linebackers for awhile, and he looks like he could kick someone’s ass. Same with Fred Pagac, the DC. They’re doing a lot of teaching, which is good. The morning stuff seems like a mini camp install, with the afternoon a full on practice.
Players seem to respond well, and Pagac is funnier than hell.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Thanks ted, keep up the good work
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Aug 6, 2011 3:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope Jeff Davidson is a good OL coach...
…because he absolutely sucked as OC in Carolina.
Run into the pile, Run around the pile, Short pass, Punt.
Repeat ad infinitum while making no halftime adjustments.
What we do is what we do.
Then it's a good thing he's only in control of the linemen
Chilly-style coaching is no longer welcome in Minnesota.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 6, 2011 2:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The good news
In 2008 and 2009 the Panthers had the most rushing yards of any team in the league during that stretch. They averaged 154 ypg.
True their offense last year was abysmal but it’s hard to do anything with the QB’s they were rolling out. I think our line will do very well under him and I think his experience as an offensive coordinator will help him be a better line coach.
It's true that Carolina was the first team...
…to have the first pair of teammates in NFL history to each rush for more than 1,100 yards in the same year, 2009. But I think it was D-Will (whose jersey hangs alongside my AP jersey; two kickass RBs, these guys) and J-Stew that made Davidson look good, though, not the other way around.
2010’s play-calling was rage-inducing on many occasions, but Fox & Davidson were surely flippin’ Richardson the bird, because they seemed to not give a shit and made little effort at tailoring their game-plan to fit their (young and inexperienced, sure) roster. Plus their best option at QB was Pickles.
I am hoping that Davidson comes here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and does his damnedest to help Peterson get 2,000 yards and 25 TDs this season, and gets that O-line to PROTECT McNabb and CP. It failed Favre miserably last year. I felt bad for the dude having to count on Bryant McKinnie.
What we do is what we do.
by WilkesViking on Aug 6, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
My point is the line was obviously well coached those years
D-Will and J-Stew are solid backs but they aren’t good enough to put up those numbers without a solid performance up front. That’s really all I was saying.
That and I like the idea of having a offensive line coach that loves to run the ball if it was his choice.
Here's a bio on Davidson:
http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches/jeff-davidson/6e7cfaff-c328-4e64-b08c-d3248bea5e13
His time with the Patriots was a pretty good run. I hope he produces similar results in Minnesota. His hiring should also benefit Shiancoe, K-Sauce, Dugan, and rookies Kyle Rudolph and Ed Barham(Tar Heel, w00t!)
What we do is what we do.
No, sorry
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Thanks Ted,
Glad we’re getting some good inside looks through our own purple tinted shades. You do keep it real, so keep it up. We really apprieciate what you’ve done for us.
One thing I noticed in Mankato today...
McNabb’s arms are ginormous. He looks frickin’ ripped. I wouldn’t call him “McFlab” to his face, that’s for sure. Glad to see him come to camp in shape, as opposed to some guys…cough McKinnie cough
Good stuff, thanks for the post
Ted - If you see Jimmy K and Jared
Jimmy remembered me from 3 yrs at camp. jaed and Shank too. They let a small group of us wheelers in the press area.. Tell them how grateful I was and still am for all they do to make disabled folks happy. Both those guys have giant hearts to go with their bodies.
If you would tell them how sorry I am not there to support them this year. $ and other things got in the way.
Seriously. Relay that one of your disable readers is there each year and is still 100 per cent behind the success of the team.
AKA : Revenge4Webb
Wish I had seen this before now
Because I got to talk to Jimmy yesterday, just posted the story. I would have if I had seen this. I’m going to try and talk to JA today, and will pass along your message if I get to.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Would appreciate
Such a special time especially right after my accident. to see guys so humbled after a tough workout to stop and bring a smaile to so many faces. I don’t think they get thanks enough. Even AD was such a cool guy. Gently reached down and wrapped his arms around me so I could stand for the photo. We are blessed to have so manyfantastic human beings on our team
AKA : Revenge4Webb
by CitrusFLViking on Aug 6, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Told JA how much those gestures mean to the fans
and he said tell the fans how much the fans mean to him. Got to spend a few minutes one on one with him after the stadium practice, and if the Vikes PA guy hadn’t cut us off we’d still be talking. What a great dude.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Thanks for the great article.
For the first time this year, I’m feeling pumped up. I can’t wait to hear about the defense. Go Vikes! SKOL!!
Two, two, two mints in one!!!
Like quantuum mechanics, it all depends on how you look at it.
Joe Webb Deuce is also a wide receiver. The 46-man roster sans-emergency-QB rule makes this a reality.
Some people, like Jim Thorpe and Joe Webb, are so special as athletes that they can walk and chew gum while juggling three balls in the air at the same time.
Sure, Deion Sanders was largely a shutdown corner, but he was also a wide receiver and punt returner, and played for the Braves as center fielder in the World Series during the NFL season.
Some people are just too good not to break the mold.
Joe Webb Deuce is also a wide receiver. The 46-man roster sans-emergency-QB rule makes this a reality.
Then we would have to have AP or one of the wideouts throwing the ball to him, because regardless of the emergency QB rule I am pretty sure you can only have one QB on the field at a time.
Not the case in college
I don’t know about the NFL, I don’t see why not though.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 6, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I had always assumed it was a formation restriction...
otherwise, why have we never seen a play where there were two QB’s on the field?
I can find no listing as of this being against the rules, maybe now that there is no longer a 3rd QB rule we might see it happen.
McNabb to Webb, Webb to Harvin anyone?
I don't know...
I don’t watch the CFL.
Kidding.
by Bjorno on Aug 7, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Frazier and I think alike:
Joe Webb ran one play at receiver during the group install (offense runs play with no defense). He lined up wide right, ran a deep route and didn’t make the catch. Afterward, Frazier made it clear the team isn’t currently looking to expand Webb’s duties outside of the QB position. Frazier said Webb’s use anywhere but quarterback will be determined by whether he or Christian Ponder wins the backup quarterback role. If Webb wins the No. 2 job, he won’t be used elsewhere. If Ponder wins the No. 2 job, Webb would be used at receiver. With the NFL’s new rule allowing No. 3 QBs to enter the game without a team losing access to its other two QBs, Webb would be able to play receiver while serving as the No. 3 emergency QB.
Thanks Cyberuck for linking that.
I would think that they could certainly "Report" as eliglible reciver
much like a tackle lining up as TE
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by Admiral BigGun on Aug 8, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that is the case.
The reason O-linemen have to do it is because of their number assignments.
Besides, we have seen the wildcat happen many a time with no discussion of them having to report as eligible, because as a rule they are eligible.
Excellent
thanks Ted for all the inside scoop. Sounds like a great camp thus far.
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