Starting Field Position Is Very Important (The Vikings Need To Get A Kick-Off Specialist)
The further your opponent is from the end-zone, the less likely it is that they will score. This seems like a fairly straightforward concept, but it's something the Vikings front office (and most of the NFL) just doesn't seem to get.
Since the invention of football, kickers have almost always done both the field goals and the kickoffs. There isn't much of a difference between doing a kick-off or a field goal. This works out well for most teams as many kickers can boot the football pretty far. However, there are cases where a kicker can have very good accuracy, but can't kick it very far.
The previous sentence describes our own Ryan Longwell very well. His accuracy is near perfect, but he just doesn't do a very good job at kickoffs. Last season the Vikings ranked dead last in the league in kickoffs. Their opponents average starting position off a kickoff was at the 30 yard line, whereas the top-ranked Falcons kept there opponents to the 22 yard line. Eight yards might not seem like much, but it makes a big difference.
Most teams balk at the idea of signing someone simply to do the kick-offs. But as the following stats will show, this is something they (especially the Vikings) seriously need to consider.
The Importance Of Starting Field Position:
Here is a chart from advanced football stats showing the average points scored from any given first down position.
Vikings opponents scored an average of 1 point per drive starting after a kickoff.
Falcons opponents scored an average of .5 points per drive starting after a kickoff.
The league average would be somewhere around .75 points per drive after a kickoff.
Now the difference between these numbers seems rather small, but when you consider that a team will do about 75 kickoffs a season, it gets bigger. Over a whole season the numbers would read:
Vikings opponents: 75 points off of kickoffs.
Falcons opponents: 37.5 points off of kickoffs.
League average: 56.25 points off of kickoffs.
Obviously, this doesn't take into account how good or bad a defense might be. However, this does show that being able to make the other team start further back is a very good thing to do.
The easiest way to make sure your opponent has a long ways to go is to kick it deep and force them to do a touchback. Well, easy for many kickers not named Longwell....
Longwell Is Not Good At kickoffs:
Just look at the following stats from nfl.com and you will see exactly what I mean.
Longwell: 3 touchbacks, 30th in the NFL
Cundiff: 40 touchbacks, 1st in the NFL
League average (top 32): 12.28
League average (top 10): 22.6
Let's also the percentage of touchbacks per kickoff
Longwell: 4.6 % 35th in the NFL
Cundiff: 50.6% 1st in the NFL
League average (top 32): 19.5%
League average (top 10): 31.7%
All this is a direct result of how far the kickers can actually kick the ball. This is the average kickoff yardage (not including return yards).
Longwell 62.3 30th in the NFL
Cundiff: 71.1 1st in the NFL
League average (top 32): 64.86
league average (top 10): 67.42
Yeah, that doesn't look so good...
However, Longwell apologists will come up with a few counter-arguments in favor of not getting a kickoff specialist. Before I end this article I'll quickly refute all four of them.
1. Vikings special teams were bad, so it isn't Longwell's fault that they gave opponents good starting position.
Response: The Vikings ranked 32nd in opponents starting field position. Longwell ranked 30th or worse in three major kicking stats. Coincidence? I think not. Longwell was not a victim of poor special teams play. He was part of the problem.
2. The new rule change for 2011, moving the kickoff spot up five yards (to the 35), will help Longwell improve.
Response: If you had a group of 32 people and each of them grew 5 inches; the shortest would still be the shortest and the tallest would still be the tallest. So yes it will help Longwell....but it will equally help every other kicker. The Vikings would still rank 32th in opponents starting field position.
3. Longwell needs the kickoffs to see what the wind is doing.
Response: First, we don't play a lot of games in the wind. Secondly, when we do play games in the wind, Longwell could use the pregame time and maybe halftime occasionally to practice a few field goals. This is not a major concern.
4. The Vikings don't have room on their roster for a kickoff specialist.
Response: A kickoff specialist will have much more of an impact then say a 4th tight end or a 6th corner or whatever fringe player that would need to be cut.
The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable. Longwell just isn't good at kickoffs. If it weren't for the fact that he is one of the best field goal kickers in the NFL, he would have been cut by now.
Getting a kickoff special who could be in the top ten in kickoff stats would be a big improvement for the Vikings. It would force our opponents to have to drive the ball further to score, giving our defense more time to stop them. Basically, teams would score less points against us.Overall, it would be good for our team and it is something I hope the Vikings do in the future.
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What does it matter if we are ranked 32nd..
If we improve our average opponents starting position by 5 yards (theoretically), that does nothing but help our defense. The best you can do with a touchback is the 20 yard line, so even if Longwell isn’t getting touchbacks, we should hopefully have our opponents starting at the 25 yard line (if we play exactly like last year).
I don’t see 5 yards as a big difference from a touchback, or further…3 yards difference from the league leader last year (Falcons, 22 yard line). I think the extra roster spot from not having a specialist is more valuable.
Very informative post, and very well written
However kickoffs have been moved up to the 35 yardline for the 2011 season.
A couple of other notes:
—the kicker position is realtively new to football. It was common place in the early years of the NFL for a postition player such as a lineman to handle the field goal duties.
—While the idea of putting your foot to the ball is the same for kickoffs and field goals, it is quite a different skill. Field goal kicking requires much more accuracy than kickoffs do. Kickoffs are kicked off of a tee while in the NFL and NCAA field goals are kicked from the turf. Opposing players are not rushing at you during a kickoff therefore there’s literally and figuratively much more pressure to make a FG.
—I did not vote because I didn’t find an appropriate option. With kickoffs moved to the 35 this year, Longwell should be able to handle the duties with ease. It has nothing to do with his feelings either.
"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."
I did mention the 5 yards as well as point out that it doesn't help.....
2. Moving the kickoff spot up five yards will help Longwell improve.
Response: If you had a group of 32 people and each of them grew 5 inches; the shortest would still be the shortest and the tallest would still be the tallest. So yes it will help Longwell….but it will equally help every other kicker. The Vikings would still rank 32th in opponents starting field position.
also Longwell kicks 62 yards on average…kicking from the 35 still brings him to just the 3 yard line on average. I’ll edit that part of the article to make that a little more clear.
by VikingsForever on Aug 8, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If you think about it
Putting the ball on the 3 yard line is just about perfect for kickoffs. If your coverage team is fast enough, you can hold them behind the 20. In other words, it could potentially be better than a touchback. Admittedly, you’d want the ball to go high and hit the 1 each time, to give the coverage unit ample time to get down there, but I can’t see kickoffs being a problem this year.
From what I said above..
I was trying to get at the point that, sure, every team could “grow 5 inches taller”, but with touchbacks being such as they are, it would be like putting a cap on how tall you can actually grow. In turn, since some kickers were already putting the ball in the endzone last year, they don’t have as much room to “grow” as kickers like Longwell.
Exactly...
It helps kickers like Longwell much more than it does most other kickers, or kick-off specialist.
Actually, NMVike, last year when we brought in a kick -off specialist
Longwell wasn’t very happy about it. Of course chilly brought in a kickoff specialist that couldn’t kick very far so that didn’t work out very well.
by VikingsForever on Aug 8, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
if we had a punter who could kick-off deep, that would work for me.
i’m a little concerned about the touchback issue that you bring up. the new kick off line should help field position a little. but the other thing that kind of bugs me is that longwell’s fg range is like 48 yards tops. so we probably miss out on a few scoring opportunities with fga’s up to like 55 yards. but, he IS accurate.
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Longwell is great because he's awesome in clutch situations.
I’d rather a kicker like Longwell who can hit that 48 yarder, but no further, than one who is 50% from 55 yards really.
His range isn't 48
He can squeeze out a few extra yards if he has to. I’d put him around 52 or 53. Which is pretty decent from a guy with his accuracy. He’s near automatic. I’d prefer him over Mason Crosby who has trouble hitting anything past 50 yards but can boot the ball.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Um hello
we have KLUWE! HE IS THE BEST PUNTER ON THE TEAM! WE SHOULD MAKE HIM THE KICK OFF SPECIALIST.
Editors note: I do actually always put Kluwe on KOS for Madden because he has more KP than Longwell lolz
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 10, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted no.
Not because of Longwell’s fragile ego. But because I do not want to waste a roster spot.
His FG accuracy more than compensates for his short KO’s. And with the KO moving up 5 yards this season, the KO gap is lessened in importance.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
This
On a team like our’s, that roster spot could be used on somebody who provides more utility than just kicking far. This team needs all the talent it can get, and Longwell is safe with the new rule change. In fact, he was the first kicker I thought about benefiting once I found out they approved the new rule.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
What we have failed to notice here...
…is that the vikings front office did indeed address this area of concern prior to last season. We mustn’t forget our old friend Rhys Lloyd who’s abysmal preseason prevented him from even making the final 52-man roster. I trust our front office when they say we can live with lowly ol’ Longwell…
by anewdawn#7 on Aug 8, 2011 10:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I voted maybe.
Actually, NMVike, last year when we brought in a kick -off specialist Longwell wasn’t very happy about it.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 8, 2011 11:25 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn’t want to ruffle the feathers of Longwell. He’s the best field goal kicker in the NFL and for him to jump (long)ship because of half his job, and maybe some salary, was being taken away.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Aug 8, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This is
one of the best pieces I’ve read on here this entire off season, and I don’t agree with you. That’s how well this was written. Now I probably don’t agree because I’m stubborn and think Ryan Longwell is manna from heaven but thats beside the point. Great job explaining everything and providing a convincing argument.
If only everyone could argue with such logic.
Ponder to Harvin for 6!
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Aug 9, 2011 12:10 AM CDT reply actions
*debate
Ponder to Harvin for 6!
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Aug 9, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
If...
I’m thinking with all the mental guru’s in the NFL. If it made that huge a differance all teams would be doing it. Is it unheard of? No. I think we have greater needs to fill than a given roster spot. I think a dam good defense sort of makes up for it.
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Yes and no
Longwell is really poor in kickoff distance, so a kickoff specialist would impact the Vikings a lottt more than your average nfl team. That said, with the added 5 yards it seems unnecessary. If we were still kicking off from the 30 though, I’d look at ways to get some more distance.
by domesticllama on Aug 9, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You're half right.
Kickoffs will be at the 35 now.
Longwell kicks on average 62 yards.
So on average the ball still doesn’t even get to the endzone.
Also, not all balls that go into the endzone become touchbacks.
So Longwells touchback situation will only improve a little whereas other guys with the average range of around 65-67 yards will see much more improvement.
But yes, having a good returner is also very important.
But we already have a good kick returner in Harvin so there wasn’t much to discuss about that side.
by VikingsForever on Aug 9, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I was gonna say
Booker seemed a little more consistent than Harvin did, but, iirc, Harvin does have at least one TD return each season so far.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 10, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd agree. I vote for consistency...
…but with our O-line troubles maybe special teams TDs are going to be required. Eh, I’d still go with Booker.
I posted something about how the rule changes actually reduce the value of kickoff specialists a while back
I think it’s extremely relevant – it’s just not important anymore – touchbacks will be touchbacks and having “the worst” kickoff team won’t matter nearly as much. The key is determining how important that KOS is, relative to other roster spots.
Read here.
You've got something wrong with your data
If the median return changed to the 24, like I “predict,” then most returns would give the offense 76 yards to go… which is a one yard difference from a touchback
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The ball is brought back to the 20….not the 25 after a touchback. so starting from the 24 is actually still 4 yard from a touchback…not one yard behind it.
If the touchback brought the ball to the 25 I agree it would make things not matter that much…but it doesn’t so my points still stand.
by VikingsForever on Aug 10, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they were toying with that idea too
Making the touchback go to the 25. I remember reading that somewhere. Thankfully they just stuck with moving the kick forward 5 yards.
Personally, I don’t see the need for the rule change. Just like I didn’t see the need for the OT changes either. But this one does benefit us a little more noticably at least, so I’ll keep quiet about it.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Aug 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
I was playing with both proposals at the same time – they were packaged together in the initial plan.

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