What Will the Vikings do with AP?

by jianfu on Sep 1, 2011 1:01 PM CDT

No one can predict the future, but we love to try. With news coming down that the Titans and Chris Johnson have agreed to a $54-$56 million deal ($30 million in guarantees), it's natural to wonder if this might be a shoe-dropping-moment in whatever negotiations (if any) the Vikings have with Adrian Peterson.

Leaving aside what they should do (as that's been discussed around here a time or two), what do you think the Vikings will do with Peterson?

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Looking into your crystal ball, the Vikings will...

Blow even the CJ deal out of the water and "Fitzgerald" AP: $50 million guaranteed

25 votes

The market has spoken: $30 million guaranteed

31 votes

Mark time, play out this season, maybe franchise him in 2012, and avoid a long extension

7 votes

"Herschel" him

12 votes

Position change! Have you seen our safeties...?

2 votes

77 votes | Poll has closed

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what do i think they "will" do? i think they will buy time and let things pan out some more.

due to several factors such as (just spitballing here) :

1. we have the ability to wait it out a little and can always franchise him next year.

2. the uncertainty of the stadium deal and the potential of wilf selling or moving the team.

3. the fact that the team is totally strapped right now and has several question marks at other positions that need to be evaluated this year and then fixed with new personnel and new contracts.

4. the uncertainty of our o-line and it’s ability to run block well enough to utilize adrian’s full potential.

5. the fact that the nfl is a passing league and that big dollars are better spent on a star qb and stud receiver, aas opposed to a stud running back. and we currently have question marks at those 2 positions.

6. a wait and see could also reveal that we have good young d-linemen who can take the reins over the next few seasons. this could allow the vikings to trade away jared allen and his gigantic contract, thus freeing up money to spend on an adrian peterson.

7. they might wait to find out what the salary cap is going to be next year and take care of it in the off season.

what do i think they “will” do? ….. fock if i know.

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Sep 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

(3. ..."totally cap strapped right now...")

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Sep 1, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Very good reasons to wait.

I could see very good arguments for franchising Peterson next year and then letting him go grab his megadeal somewhere else knowing that we got the best 6 years out of him.

He’s a great player at a position in which you can save $10M a year and still get a very good running back.

by kcskol on Sep 2, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions

It can be done

I have already mapped out a contract for him in my “wanna-be” GM post.

They could offer him a 6 year 60 mil deal with 31 mil guaranteed.

If they cut Camarillo and Farwell then they will save 3.4 mil on this year’s cap.

AP already counts 10.7 mil against the cap. They can make this year’s salary equal to 14 mil. Here is how his numbers could look …

2011 – 14,000,000
2012 – 8,500,000
2013 – 8,500,000
2014 – 5,000,000
2015 – 11,000,000
2016 – 13,000,000

His first three years would be guaranteed and the 4th year would be cheap. The money he is going to make this year would not cost the Vikings any extra if they made the cuts above. I think they make some cuts anyway so there should be some extra.

The last two years are probably non achievable.

But who knows? Maybe his agent will not like that 4th year number and will want it closer to 8 mil?

I think the Vikings have the money to sign him and as I believe Danny already pointed out in another thread, since they are not paying a QB top dollar and should not be for the first 3 years of AP’s deal, they should have no problem paying AP.

Whether they want to or not is a different story.

by MarkSP18 on Sep 1, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions

you still don't understand how the salary cap works.

adrian peterson’s salary cap number this year is $12.775 million, not $10.72 million.
this was explained to you in detail in your fantasy gm post that…the one that you took down.

and no, i didn’t say that the vikings have the money to sign adrian. don’t try to mix in your own words here too.

you posted that the vikings were at $106 million for the cap and that they coud easily get down to $86 million to be able to sign a bunch of players. (when we were actually over the cap at $125.6m, but who needs facts).

i politely pointed out that i thought your estimates were overly optimistic and you that your calculations for the salary cap were inaccurate. i posted several links for you to see what the salary cap actually is and how it is calculated. but you got offended, dismissive and insulted me for trying to help you. thanks, nice going mark.

then, you generated an exhaustive and extremely inaccurate cut and paste exercise from rotoworld. you only listed the base salaries and did not take into account the bonus money thast gets spread out over the course of the contracts. you might want to go check out those links i posted for your benefit. you might just learn something. there are multiple factors at play, and the numbers game is kept pretty vague in the public view.

for instance, berrian’s contract number this year is a $2 million reduction in the base salary, but his original cap number was $6.258 million. his cap number is much more than just the $1.9 million base salary he is now listed at. and that brett favre was counting as $4-7 million this year because of the fo’s wheeling and dealing in 2009. signing bonus money gets spread out over the contract and counts in addition to base salary, it is just like incentive bonuses don’t get included in the listed base salary (and is also not listed on rotoworld).

there is a whole lot more to this than what you are trying to do while playing “wanna be gm”. and now it is now even more complicated with the minimum cash outlay requirements that teams have to meet each year and the minimum cap expenditure that teams will be subjected to. we are currently only $370k under the salary cap. that the least margin under the cap in the league.

so, i pretty much called it correctly….neither adrian nor chad greenway renegotiated their contracts before camp, and we were well over the salary cap. this, contrary to what you said was so obvious and supposed to happen. i think i might put that entire fanpost file back up with some of these points highlighted to see again ;).

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Sep 1, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Thanks for the memories

The original intent of that fan post was of wanting them to make some moves and trying to get a best guess (even if wrong) at where the cap was at and then what they could do.

We disagreed about the numbers. Neither the links you provided or rotoworld could be confirmed to be accurate.

So even if the Vikings were in fact at 123 mil as John Clayton stated (but without any details), the Vikings still could have released some players I was suggesting and been able to sign some of the players I wanted. For example, I wanted them to go after Manny Lawson and I thought 6 mil per year would do it. He signed a one year deal for 3 mil.

The bottom line is the Vikings did in fact free some space and sign some players. Not the ones I wanted but they did do something. That was the intent of the post and I was hoping to get a debate going about which players to cut and which to sign.

So moving on to AP, if AP’s salary cap number is 12.775 mil then they have even more room to sign him to a long term deal as I just stated above. If they can sign him and have his cap number stay at the 12.775 mil this year then I would have to believe it makes it easier and that they do indeed have the money.

I am at a loss trying to figure out how they would not have that 12.775 mil available to give to AP (since it already is being counted towards the cap) in a new deal this year. It is 2 mil more in real cash but nothing against the cap. I think Wolf could manage that and we still do not know who they are going to release yet either. The total cap number could come down once the final 53 is set.

I think it could be done.

I apologize for saying that you said since the Vikings are not paying a QB top money that AP would be easy to sign. I read that at another site. But I will mix in those words though because it is true. If Ponder starts next year and he probably should, the Vikings will not have much money tied up in the QB spot. Thus paying AP 10 to 13 mil per year is doable.

by MarkSP18 on Sep 2, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions

too bad you are unwilling to actually click the links provided...

i linked to an article providing basic information about how the salary cap works.
that seems to be something you are uninterested in or just unable to comprehend.
if the real information is there, you might as well use it in trying to underswtand the situation.
but then, that might detract from your fantasy ;).

also, we didn’t disagree on numbers. you were just wrong about it and i showed you why.
that is just the way facts work. i know this offended you, as you attacked me for helping
you and then pulled down your fanpost when others realized how off base you were
about it. you should just let other people contribute where a contribution was clearly
needed. although you want to appear as such, you are not an expert in this area.

The bottom line is the Vikings did in fact free some space and sign some players.

that’s because they HAD to. they were well over the cap, not $20 million under it as you adamantly tried to insist. this just shows what i was getting at before….reality.

whether they do or can re-sign adrian is/was not the point. the point was you were so far off in your estimations of the cap, that it made your elaborate projections impossible to actually happen. and my point was that adrian peterson and chad greenway were in the driver’s seat on the issue of negotiating a new contract. which is pretty much the case. it certainly had nothing to do with manny lawson. wow.

warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!

by danny lloyd on Sep 2, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions