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My View From The Top Of Qualcomm Stadium

Percy Harvin? Awesome. . .but he and Adrian Peterson can't do it all on their own. (Photo by Donald Miralle/Getty Images)

As I stated in the Game Thread leading up to Sunday's match-up between the Minnesota Vikings and San Diego Chargers, I spent my Sunday afternoon at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego. I want to preface this by saying that the Charger fans I encountered on Sunday were great. . .they were every bit as hospitable after the game was finished as they were when they were losing by 10 points at halftime. It's refreshing to see that from a group of opposing fans that could have rubbed it in, but chose not to.

Now, then. . .I, like most of you, have some pretty serious issues with Sunday's contest. As usual, this is not designed to override Ted's Stock Market Report or anything like that. This is just me expressing my viewpoint on what I saw on the field.

So, follow me after the jump, and we'll get this all started.

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37 passing yards? This team played four quarters of meaningful football with all of their starters, and they couldn't even average 10 yards passing per quarter? I thought this team brought Donovan McNabb to run the offense and to keep defenses off of Adrian Peterson. We spent a sixth-round draft choice on him to make that happen.

Seriously, you're telling me that even without the benefit of a full training camp and all that other good stuff that Christian Ponder couldn't have managed 37 yards passing on Sunday afternoon? You're telling me that Joe Webb couldn't have managed 37 yards passing on Sunday afternoon? Particularly with a running back that averaged over six yards per carry on the afternoon?

Seriously, Donovan McNabb and Bill Musgrave. . .you're better than this. You've got to be better than this. Quite frankly, if you're not better than this, it's going to be a long freaking season in Minnesota.

Speaking of Webb. . .I'm not a huge fan of when we decided to introduce the Webb-cat (or whatever we're calling it now) into the game. On the previous two plays, the Vikings handed the ball to Adrian Peterson twice, with him gaining five and seven yards on those two carries. So, approaching midfield and with Adrian Peterson on a roll. . .we decide to line up in the Webb-cat formation and start trying to get cute? The Vikings had the momentum following Jared Allen's impressive interception of Philip Rivers, and they threw it away with that sequence, in my opinion.

Also, as far as offensive personnel, I am sick to death of Bernard Berrian. Leslie Frazier can talk #87 up all he wants, he's a "speed receiver" that hasn't gotten decent separation from a defensive back since 2008. I know that McNabb underthrew the deep ball that bounced off of Berrian late in the game, but that's a ball that Berrian has to catch. (Also, it might help if we took more than one shot deep per game.)

As far as the defense, they were actually playing really well until the offense showed that they had no desire to stay on the field and actually complete drives in the second half. Heck, in the first half, any time the Chargers had to move the ball farther than six yards, they didn't put any points on the board. They were handling Rivers and company, and actually appeared to be pacing the upset effort for this team. But they could only do so much, particularly when an opponent nearly doubles your team's time of possession (the Chargers held the ball for 37:17, compared to just 22:43 for Minnesota), triples your team in first downs (31 for the Chargers to 10 for Minnesota), and puts up a goose egg after halftime.

Before the game, I predicted a Minnesota loss in this one. . .the Chargers are an incredibly talented football team, and beating them in their house with a new coach, a new offensive coordinator, and a new quarterback was going to be a tall order regardless. But after watching this one up close and personal, this was a pretty bad way to lose this ball game. To borrow the old line from one of our favorite former Viking head coaches, the Chargers were who we thought they were. . .and we let them off the hook.

And it's not as though there were a ton of bad calls by the officials in this one or anything like that. I can only think of one really egregious call that went against Minnesota, and that's the 15-yard late hit penalty against Cedric Griffin on Ryan Mathews on the drive that led to the winning touchdown. (Griffin already had Mathews wrapped up and was bringing him to the ground. . .what the heck else was he supposed to do?) No, after playing an outstanding first half of football, the Minnesota Vikings didn't lose the game in the second half. . .the Chargers came along and straight-up took it from them. They whipped the Minnesota offense in pretty much every facet of the game, and the defense just got too worn down to stop the Chargers from completing a second half comeback.

There were a couple of positives to come out of this one, particularly the fact that Percy Harvin and Adrian Peterson are still both ridiculously talented, but they're almost completely overshadowed by the way the Vikings lost this ball game. Whatever problems the offense has, Leslie Frazier and Bill Musgrave need to get them corrected in short order, particularly with a young, hungry Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense coming to town next week for the home opener. It would be really, really hard for the Vikings to look as inept in the passing game as they looked on Sunday. . .but if last season taught us anything, it's that we shouldn't always assume that we've hit bottom.

With that. . .good night. And stay classy, San Diego.

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I was at the game, sitting up top, as well....

and i agree whole heartedly with your assessment of the game. I was very excited to see Joe Webb on the field, but i agree with you in the fact that, “what the hell” where they thinking running it two plays in a row after they had all the momentum off the pick and with Adrian running all over the chargers on that drive. From a defensive stand point, we could only hold off the chargers for so long, i mean Norv Turner is not a very good play caller, but geez eventually you knew he was going to figure out that they should probably pass on every down. And if he couldn’t figure it out by himself the fans sure helped him out at the end of that second quarter. It was definitely a mixture of mcnabb not having enough time to throw, musgrave not drawing up enough deep plays and just mcnabb not looking to be as sharp as we expected, that really hurt us. It was very disappointing to see, since the vikes only come to San Diego once every 8 years and now i have to wait another 8 years to see them play just south of my hometown. But overall, I am very hopeful for this vikes team we were 9 pt underdogs coming into the Q and no one, outside of this site and the team, thought we would give them a fight. Not only did we give them a fight, we nearly won it without even passing for 40 yds. Fix up the pass offense and we have a real good shot at playoffs and beyond. Just a little bit of venting I guess haha and in no way am a good writer, but i just had to get what was off my mind. Overall i had a great time at the game, the Charger fans were very good and gracious hosts. SKOL and let’s go get those Bucs next week at home.

LAKERS!!!!!!!!!! Thr3e P3at...
Long Live the MINNESOTA VIKINGS.

by alldayson28 on Sep 12, 2011 2:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Cool that you got to go to the game, despite the outcome....

and that the fans were hospitable. Its always nice to be in a place where they aren’t beating you into a coma or shooting at you, but then again, I’ve always found San Diego to be a pretty tame city. There are a still a few of those around, despite some of the terrible fan experiences this past year.

I expected the Chargers to come out firing. I think they were disrupted from the start due to Harvin’s return and probably felt like they were in come-back mode from the start, being the home opener with high expectations.

Obviously its a disappointing loss, but AP looked good (as if that was any surprise) and McNabb will have some good games. The biggest question I had, as well as some writers after the game, was: Why didn’t he use the TE’s more? Shaincoe has been one of the better TE’s the past couple of years, and with a new receiving TE like Rudolph, I assumed they would be targeting them more than people like Berrian. It was McNabb’s first real game with the team, and after a stagnant offensive start (from the passing side at least) it seems like they would incorporate more safety nets into the offense than try gimmicky Wildcat-type plays with Webb. If McNabb isn’t the guy, then fine, but I have never been a fan of taking your QB off the field if you think he is your best offensive leader.

In Every Climb and Place....

I am an ass hat.

by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 12, 2011 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

hate to say

I told you so but Mcnabb is who I thought he was. it’s just one game so i’m hoping he turns it around but If I see one more ball thrown into the ground i’m goin scream. he’s supposed to be so good out of the pocket, running and all he could manage was balls in the dirt? maybe Shanahan isn’t as stupid as everyone thinks he is.

by FlFan on Sep 12, 2011 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Kinda hard to blame McNabb for no one getting open, isn’t it? Even on the completions that he did have, one was him throwing Jenkins open, and a few check downs to Peterson. From what I saw, no one was really getting open out there. I mean, I think there’s a reason he tucked the ball down and ran it a few times. I doubt that’s something he’d prefer to do at this stage in his career.

There’s not a whole lot you can do when someone is covered closely. A veteran like McNabb is gonna throw it away from the defender, and when you have someone trailing your target closely, that might just happen to be low and away.

And this is kind of off topic, but the Blazer package totally killed what looked to be a promising drive. I’m pretty sure Peterson had just had a couple of 5 yard runs, why not just keep feeding him until they stop him?

Again, Berrian looked pretty terrible. The guy just gets no separation, and the one time he did McNabb dropped one right in his bread basket and he just plain dropped it (I believe it was on 3rd down too).

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Sep 15, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my surprise

I expected the Vikings offense to be okay. I expected the defense to get dominated. I expected that the score wouldn’t be close but expected that the teams would be more evenly matched than the scoring let on. I suppose it might be safe to say that my expectations were not met.

Here’s the irony. We had a shot to win the game, but I am depressed about the way the team performed overall. First, I think we were outcoached. Sorry. My disappointment in some of the coaching decisions actually began at the end of the pre-season when Berrian and Tyrell Johnson were retained by the team. I knew seeing Berrian on the field would be a constant reminder of that awful decision. Despite his earlier statements, I never really believed that Frazier would truly rotate Sanford and Johnson at safety. He did though. Wow! Johnson had a couple of decent plays but mostly sucked as usual. Berrian had a couple of opportunities to make plays but mostly did what he always does.

However, I’m more concerned about the coaching from the perspective that everyone else is. I disagree that the Vikings didn’t give the game away (and that the Chargers simply took it from us). The Vikings offense rolled over in the 2nd half. Had Berrian caught McNabb’s pass then maybe we’d be talking about things differently. The drive would have continued. However, that’s not the way things played out.

The play on the field did remind me of a Chilly-esque outing. I only recall one 3 TE line up (on the right side) during the game. It turned into a Harvin run for a little gain. I expected to see a lot more TE formations like that. If the O-line isn’t holding up, then why not replace Berrian with a TE and use him for blocking or catching out of the backfield? Very disappointing.

As disappointing as the overall passing attack was, I don’t agree with people who say that Ponder should replace McNabb. I’d be more sympathetic hearing people say Webb should go in for McNabb. Ponder had two good series this pre-season. That’s it. McNabb looked much better in pre-season. So did Webb. If the pocket is going to break down as it has with McNabb, then Webb’s the guy. However, I think it’s too soon to give up. Let’s see what happens the next two games. The O-line won’t get better, but I think McNabb will.

Here’s a question for you: At what point in the season, does McNabb pull a Favre and start ignoring Berrian on the field? My guess is it started yesterday in the 2nd half. Go get Jaymar or Iglesias or Arceneaux and be done with it.

by kcskol on Sep 12, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think it matters when he ignores Berrian

The whole second half Donovan was 1/6 for 2 yards. If McNabb gets picky, this team will only play worse. I know Berrian is bad, but he should be good for 1 or 2 15-20 yard completions a game…

by mak07 on Sep 12, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should be, but he isn't.

That ball was his to catch, and he dropped it. That ended the series, and they had to punt.

by kcskol on Sep 12, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I realize that...

But I don’t think that one play made this game. Berrian, who’s not known as a great blocker, had a great downfield block for AP as well. This game is on our O-Line for not giving Donovan a lot of time and on Donovan for making poor decisions and even worse throws. The throw to Berrian, while very catchable, was not a very good throw. If he would have led him even a little bit, he wouldn’t have had to come back and make an adjustment on the ball… That play is on both Berrian and Donovan

by mak07 on Sep 12, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

the real question was where was Donovan's safety valve.

Oh and McNabb held on to the ball for quite some time as well, especially in the second half.

I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass

by Grime on Sep 12, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know i may be the only one left that likes BB...

However was I the only person who saw the CB on him like a pilot fish in the sea?
Seriously the guy had his hand on BB as the same time the ball was at him. Im not trying to defend BB, im trying to say PASS COVERAGE prevented that ball from being caught, i dont care who was trying to catch it. It was quality pass coverage, something we severly lack.
Hate BB all you want, but you cant blame him for that pass that was a split second from pass interference, sorry.

I dont know if I should warn Erin Rodgers he has a dead cat on his upper lip or just let it hang there till Jared Allen rips it off on 10/23?

by LeeleeX on Sep 13, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Body positioning

I tend to defend BB too when I tink the criticism is unfair. But the problem here is BB did not aggressively adjust to the arc of the ball to get better body positioning and thereby preent the DB from getting in the way. Great deep threats, especially MOss but others like Steve Smith who is tiny by comparison, excel at using their body on long balls to catch those passes.

I believe that IS a fair criticism of BB. Especially on that particular throw.

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Sep 13, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a fair point. My argument is that everybody gets too disappointed when Berrian doesn't make plays that great WRs make when he's never been great.

If you accept that Berrian isn’t and never will be a #1 WR than plays like this won’t annoy people as much. The Berrian hate is largely still due to the contract that he signed and the hope that he would be a #1 WR. That contract has been largely wiped off the books by Berrian’s recent restructuring and out of the original 42 million dollar deal Berrian will only pocket about 13 million for his four years with the Vikings. That’s 2nd/3rd string WR money and that’s the level of performance we should be expecting out of Berrian now. Crap, Camarillo is making more money than Berrian this year, so while I hope Berrian produces like he did in his first two years rather than his terrible third year, I think we should judge Berrian with more realistic expectations for his performance and production.

by CanadianViking on Sep 14, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

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