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Looks Like Trading Benny Sapp Was A Good Move

If you watched the Dolphins-Patriots game last night, you might have noticed former Viking CB Benny Sapp out there. Remember, at the beginning of last season, we traded him to Miami for WR Greg Camarillo. While there are mixed feelings around here concerning Camarillo sticking on the roster for this year, it seems that the trade still may have worked out in our favor. Stick with me here…

See, in case you missed it, Tom Brady mimicked his long-time idol Gus Ferrote with a 99 yard TD pass. The man covering Wes Welker, the receiver responsible for the catch? Benny Sapp.

Well, the Dolphins apparently were none too pleased… to the tone of cutting him today. I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t a bit of an overreaction on the Dolphin’s part. It wasn’t like Sapp was the only cornerback trashed by Brady on his historic 517 yards passing day. And when I saw the pass, catch, and run, I felt it was more the safety’s fault… he ran a bad angle.

Yes, Sapp got burned, and yes, he failed miserably in his tackle attempt (I think Welker stumbled ever so slightly, but I’m not sure). But let’s face it- a Brady-to-Welker pass is a hard thing to cover, especially when the safety leaves wide open field ahead.

But… Sapp also had a big hand in the lone Brady INT that night, the first pick against Brady during the regular season in about 52 years (I think).

OK, so here’s where I’m going with this. I can hear certain eyes rolling already, yes- rolling so hard they’re actually making audible noise- but could the Vikings consider picking him back up? Asher Allen has already missed the first game due to an injury, and I really just don’t see that guy ever amounting to much for us. In my opinion, Sapp’s your better man. Our CB position is unfortunately injury-prone: Antoine Winfield was hurt in ’09, Chris Cook in ’10, and of course Cedric Griffin in ’09 and ’10. I’m not suggesting that Sapp supplant any of those guys by any means- but I think he would be a boost to the backup corps by replacing Allen.

Plus, it would be pretty funny to get Sapp back with Camarillo still on our roster. (And OK, yes, I just wanna brag about that to my mom.)

What say you, fellow Viking faithful? Sapp back to the Vikes?

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Should the Vikings make a move to pick up Benny Sapp as a replacement for Asher Allen?
Yes- good idea, KJSegall! You're a genius and deserve a raise!
671 votes
No, you crazy loon. Stop coming up with such gibberish and tell us more about what Randy Moss is up to!
359 votes
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Too late

Already suggested the idea earlier today on Twitter and FB! LOL
Benny would be an upgrade at BACKUP by replacing Asher Allen.
Have to keep the youth of Sherles and Burton…they earned their spots…Allen hanging by a thread.

by KevinWI on Sep 13, 2011 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

You just...

used a time machine and copied my idea.

I’m onto you…

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

BOOM!

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by Winchestertonfieldville on Sep 13, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I was never a Benny Sapp fan...

He had too many penalties. But the fact that the Vikings are thin in the secondary could make him a decent (not ideal) stopgap.

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by Skol Girl on Sep 13, 2011 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and you really do deserve a raise.

So do I. What do you think the chances are of our SB Overlords giving us one?

Please SB Nation, give us a raise! We’ll be good little bloggers. I might even give up using the word douchebag. Please, please, please give us a raise!

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by Skol Girl on Sep 13, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You get paid for this...?

Wow sign me up, I can write teh stories, Show me the money!

I keed, you guys do deserve some good scratch for running the best blog on the interwebs!

by reebs on Sep 14, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...

I didn’t agree to give up saying ‘douchebag’!

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

raise..??? as in getting paid..???

Dear DN,
I will pay you to be an official writer on DN.
Sincerely,
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by izziefans on Sep 14, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought of that, too

but — DB’s don’t get called for penalties unless they actually stay within the vicinity of a receiver. That’s more than Asher Allen has managed to do of late…

by rovibe on Sep 14, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha! Good Point.

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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 14, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Sapp did get to many penalties initially. At least a couple of them were stupid personal foul penalties. However, that wasn’t the case in 2009. He was very solid in 2009 and penalties appeared to be a thing of the past.

Last year I would have given my AP jersey, plastic helmet with horns, Percy Harvin figurine and thrown in the long yellow bugle horn as well just to reverse the trade of Sapp for Camerillo. In light of what happened last year at CB, Sapp would have been a good option for us.

I’d grab Sapp and release Allen in a heartbeat.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I chose other

Just to say… HELL NO!! Tie goes to the younger player.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 13, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I hear ya on principle...

getting rid of a younger player for a vet, especially a vet who’s best bet is to be a serviceable backup, isn’t the best of strategies in a reloading phase. That said, I think this instance is different simply because we know the younger player is not worth our time.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then who

would we release to make room on the roster?

I think Asher Allen’s odd man out there.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sapp is by far better than allen

also on a note of players that played in minnesota, nice to see Decker getting some catches in Denver, along with the nice punt return TD.

by muffin man on Sep 13, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Cut Asher Allen, Berrian and Camarillo

Pick up Benny Sapp, then promote both rookie WRs from the practice squad, Emannuel Arcenaeux and Stephen Burton.

At this point you want to see WRs with speed and some ability to get open. Berrian and Camarillo both have shown that they can’t get deep or create any separation on short or medium routes.

On a hopeful note, the Vikings already promoted rookie TE Allen Reisner and picked up veteran center Joe Berger, who might be better than John Sullivan after a few weeks studying the playbook.

by jimbo55403 on Sep 13, 2011 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Let’s face it, OL playbooks are very simple. Learning it shouldn’t be a problem for a veteran. I don’t know much about the guy, but it’s almost impossible he’s worse than Sullivan.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 13, 2011 10:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree that sullivan isnt very good

and undersized. But i’m curious why teams always go for smart lineman when the playbooks are so easy? I honestly dont know much about nfl playbooks but it would seem it’s more complicated than it appears if they like the intelligent OL.

Either way I wouldnt mind him taking over for sully ASAP

by reebs on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it is as easy as you would think.

This is the Pros, every play has multiple ways of being blocked all differing on what the defense gives you. Also, gelling and timing is a huge factor for a O-Line

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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 14, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The playbook may be easy...

but the center’s job is FAR beyond the playbook. Just like the QB, they are expected to accurately and quickly read defenses and defensive shifts, alert the rest of the O-line (and maybe even their own QB from time to time), oversee said necessary adjustements, and get going. Oh, and in all of about 2-3 seconds.

A good center requires a strong level of cerebral activity, just like a great QB (Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw notwithstanding). Just take a look at our last great center- Matt Birk. The guy is not only very good physically on the field, there’s also clearly quite a bit going on upstairs.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

IQ? Or something else?

There has been alot written about what some call “street smarts,” or “court sense” (in the NBA), or “football smarts,” etc. Gladwell wrote a popular book, “Blink,” that has a fascinating theory to explore this concept. Some just push it all under the label of “experience,” which I think is not quite right.

I think it comes down to what I would call “mental discipline” or “focus” and “awareness,” two very Zen-like concepts that Phil Jackson tried to tech his players. The ability to focus can lead people with average IQs to appear to be very ABOVE average in their judgment and decisionmaking.

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by TiggerSr on Sep 14, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

Like I said, Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw aren’t receiving any Mensa membership cards anytime soon. Still, they were masters at the game from the QB position.

Consider my use of the word ‘IQ’ here loose- I mean it partly in a football sense, and partly in a general sense. Not perhaps the same way I would use it for doctors and lawyers.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

bradshaw couldn't spell "kat" if you spotted him the spotted him the "c" and the "a"

football iq is probably a learned form of smarts as well, and “playing in the moment” is probably an inherent skill not necessarily related to iq test type of intelligence.

and for the record, i have had personal experience with both doctors and lawyers who
THINK they are smart, and have screwed up royally…at my expense no doubt.

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by danny lloyd on Sep 14, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

…except for the fact that Burton is awful. I’d rather them get Jaymar Johnson or Iglesias back. I’m less upset about Camarillo. He’s not the sort of guy who’s supposed to get deep. He can catch though.

My guess is that Berger probably is a better option at center than Sullivan.

I wonder if Reisner is going to take over playing duties from Rudolph. Rudolph appears unable to block worth beans. Yeah, he can catch, but if he can’t block that makes him a mostly useless TE in my book. (Sort of the equivalent of a WR who can get open but not catch – ala Troy Williamson).

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, totally different.

He is a TE of the same breed as Finley and Kellen Winslow. They can catch and run, and are not suited for blocking. The FO knew that going in, he is a great pass catching TE and nothing more.

by viking_#28 on Sep 14, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, isn't that Shank's profile too?

Shank is generally considered a pass-catching TE, but his blocking is decent. He sometimes gets beat, but it’s very rare that he gets totally abused by the defender. And he doesn’t miss his assignments.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it.

Kleinsasser is our master blocking TE- you really don’t want to put the Shank in to pick up a blitz.

Plus- and I could be totally wrong here- but I do strongly believe Musgrave’s desire to implement 2/3 TE sets is not for the increased blocking/ pass protection, but rather to open up the receiving options.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I pay extra in order to get a little more juice for my internet connection...

…just to increase my chances of beating someone else to a comment like that. :-)

I agree with your point about Kleinsasser vs. Shank. However, reading into your point about the Musgrove plan a bit, I think we might disagree a little bit. If it were simply about opening up receiving options, I think we’d see more 3 and 4 receiver sets. I think the heavy TE formations are about keeping the other side guessing. The team has said it will emphasize the run this year, and they re-upped their $100M dollar man. The TE formations are, in my opinion, about versatility, surprise and perhaps to some extent confusion/congestion at the line or scrimmage. The versatility and surprise are all about will they run or will they pass? If Rudolph can’t help out on the runs, we can’t keep him in on running plays. After that, the element of surprise sort of goes away. All of our TE’s can catch. I only want the ones that can also block to be out on the field. I’m not talking Kleinsasser-level of blocking skills, but he does have to go after the right guy and at least slow him down significantly.

Now excuse me while I go clock how fast my internet connection is right now. :-)

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dang... .0067 seconds.

Anyhoo, you have to remember that for this year, we really only have 4 TEs… master of the block Kleinsasser, master of the catch Shianco, master of the… we’re working on that… Rudolph, and… well, we also have Reisner. (Actually, interestingly enough Yahoo! Sports is now officially listing Kleinsasser as a FB, not a TE.)

The People’s Champ (TM Ted Glover) is, sadly, probably in his last campaign with us, and Shainco isn’t far away from that himself. That leaves us with 2 TEs going into the future. Ergo, Musgrave might feel his hands slightly tied on what to do with his sets right now.

I do agree its about confusion to a degree, but the way I see it right now, we really only have one blocking TE on the team as it is.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm having an OC-192 installed in anticipation of your upgraded speed

On the other topic, I don’t want to overstate my expectations on blocking. K-Sauce is in a class of his own, but Shank is just fine. I’m assuming Reisner is too (though I haven’t really seen him). It’s only Rudolph that I’m worried about. For Pete’s sake, even Berrian can block!

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about that tall guy, Hill?

They had a 6’5" WR in the preseason, I think his name was Hill or something. Or like you said, Iglesias. I’m not sure it matters, so long as it’s ‘so long’ to Berrian, who has shown once again that he disappears during games.

One article said he laid some good blocks. Fine, if that’s what you want, get a blocking specialist. Otherwise, replace Berrian with somebody who is willing and able to catch footballs in games.

And no, I’m not saying we should pick up Terrell Owens. No more egomaniacs for awhile…

by jimbo55403 on Sep 14, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree, Berrian has showed in week one in very few pass attempts and fewer times he got a chance just to streak down the field that he could get open.

I am not a Berrian sympathizer, I wanted him gone at the beginning of the year as well but he had his guy BURNED and someone got there hand on McNabb’s throwing arm when he tried to throw and it still almost got there.

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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 14, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going bring up a name to make a point. Don't hate me for it.

Troy Williamson.

Man alive that guy could get open. Unfortunately he couldn’t catch. Bernard Berrian is no Troy Williamson in the sense that he doesn’t get seperation very often. Honestly, that dropped ball was the first significant seperation I’ve seen Berrian get in two years (I don’t really count the Cowboys pre-season game in which the cornerback released Berrian to the safety who was slow in coming over). Berrian also has fewer can’t-believe-he-dropped-that moments. However, he had two important drops on Sunday out of two possible opportunities. Both were on 3rd down and ended drives. At this point, I’d like to see someone else on the field.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was one of the few picks I was totally 100% in disagreeance with!

His quality was that he was fast and could get open in college but didn’t have sure hands. I was like “What!?!? Who cares if he could out run guys in college, everyone can run in the NFL, he won’t get open!” I was wrong, but he couldn’t catch. Berrian is far from having sure hands but is also far from being Troy “Two Left Hands” Williamson.

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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 14, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I voted yes, but

Benny Sapp was indirectly responsible for the Gus to BB 99 yarder. If you guys might remember, the Vikes held the Bears on a great goal line stand, but the reason the Bears even got down to the goal ine is because of Benny Sapp.

He committed a STUPID penalty on third and forever, while the Bears were still near midfiled, maybe closer to the Vikes 40. I can’t remember if it was a personal foul or a defensive holding, but it was obvious, and it was right in front of the ref.

Benny Sapp instantly became my least favorite player on that play, but because of him, we saw probably the most exciting four or five play sequence the Vikes had in over a decade.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 13, 2011 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Brilliant goal line stand!

I was at that game and it was one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen in football.

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by Skol Girl on Sep 13, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but do remember his penalties were a thing of the past by 2009.

He was definitely aggressive and stupid in Kansas City and his early days in Minnesota. He cleaned that up in 2009 and had a very good year.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blah

I had TOTALLY forgotten about that. However, I do agree with the assesments floating around here that that’s a thing of the past. For example, I didn’t see him commit a single penalty in the game against the Pats- and that was a game with a fair share of ’phins penalties.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wes Welker's 99 yard TD was

Created by an amazingly well-timed and placed stiff arm that put the DB down. I didn’t realize that was Sapp. Amazing pass from Brady too with an empty backfield from the half-yard line.

by Caretaker QB on Sep 13, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Clinched a win for my fantasy team, too!

I have Welker, woo hoo!

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by Ted Glover on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had Brady....but traded Welker earlier...

for MAustin. In my own opinion Brady throws the ball to whomever/whenever. Hintz the 14+ people who caught the ball….I love me some Brady but him throwing the ball to 10000 people on the team is frustrating…

In hine sight…MAustin for Welker…kinda evens itself out

by B Animal on Sep 14, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

So I hate to say this...

but I had to admit a tiny, tiny part of me was happy that Philip Rivers was my fantasy team’s starting QB. (Bradford’s the backup- had a mini-heart attack too.) I really wanted Tom Brady… very upset he went before I had my chance.

I still feel like a genius though for passing on Manning.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would NOT take Sapp over Allen

nor would I take Burton or Sherels over Allen either. I do not know why Allen gets so much grief and the other two guys (not Sapp) are now all that and a bag of chips. Last time I checked they did NOT play against first string offenses or during the regular season. Let’s just wait a little bit before we anoint them.

Allen is probably better in the slot IMHO. And Sapp would cost more money too.

I think the team will stick with Allen and give him another shot

by MarkSP18 on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the opinion on Allen

…is based on his performance during games. He was not good last year. He was frequently beaten and not good at tackling. He cost us games.

Sherels was phenominal in the pre-season. He’s fast and quick. He covers his guys incredibly well. I’d put Sherels over Allen in a heartbeat.

Burton looked good to me during pre-season too. A couple of mistakes but some very good play as well. Given his youth, I’d keep hiim for depth but not expect him to see the field much. In a limited-playing-time, depth-of-bench role I’d take Burton over Allen as well.

And lastly, Sapp is better than Allen. He definitely was in 2009 when the two played on the same team. Allen didn’t improve in 2010 over 2009. I was sorry to Sapp go and thought it was an unequal trade (Sapp for Camerillo). I’d be happy to see him back but that would leave Allen out in the cold. I’m okay with that.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Allen gets so much grief...

because he’s a below-average CB, IMO, and far worse- I see him quit from time to time. I always rail against that for ANY player. If Asher Allen was some super talented freak who quit from time to time, but truly shone when he didn’t (ala Moss, who never got a pass from me anyways for his tendency to quit), then he might earn the pass from a lot of people. But he doesn’t have that.

Burton is a project, nothing more. Sherels simply has shown potential, and I think there’s the reason he’s so hyped- the sense of ‘hope’. It’s similiar to why people got so hyped on Joe Webb last season- he gave us hope, whereas TJack had simply proven time and time again that he would never be worth the #1 spot. While most weren’t sold on Webb being our QBOTF or a HoF’er or anything, there was the sense that ‘maybe this guy could be better’- which was better than the other option, which was ‘we know this guy will never cut it’. It’s the same with Sherels and Allen- Sherels has the sense of ‘maybe’, whereas Allen has the sense of ‘nope, not happening’. In that case, ‘maybe’ wins.

I’ll write a FanPost entitled ‘MarkSP18 was right and I was wrong’ if Asher Allen has a great season. I’ve been wrong PLENTY of times before- if anyone kept track, my record might be similiar to the Vikes’ ‘10 record. But I’ve got a very strong feeling- based off what we have already seen- that Asher Allen will never amount to anything more than an unreliable backup; maybe an unreliable dimeback at BEST.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thing about Allen is that he's a slot/nickel corner only.

Allen did fine in this role in 2009 and the reason Sapp was traded in the first place is that Allen had moved into his job at the end of 2009. Last year Allen was terrible when he was forced to play the outside CB position and I won’t argue that he’s terrible outside. The thing that gets lost is that he’s a pretty good slot/nickel CB in his third year. Also he’s fourth on our depth chart so he should be a little flawed. It seems like we’re asking a little too much for a 3rd round 4th string guy to suddenly turn into Revis.

Allen’s main problem is that his name is now included with the whipping boys of the DN ; you know the guys that if they do something right it’s lucky and if they do something wrong it’s the worst play ever. I mean Asher Allen hasn’t even played yet this year and people want him cut because Sherels flashed a few times in preseason. Guess what, Allen flashed a lot in his first preseason and in his first regular season. Than our hopes got too high and now he’ll never live up to them so he’s a bum.

by CanadianViking on Sep 14, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a valid point

that some players, from the fans’ perspective, fall into that ‘whipping boy’ status, and will never do enough right to escape from it. I’d even go so far as to say that BB gets more leeway than AA.

That said, I still stick by my point that he quits- and that is a big pet peeve of mine. Football’s a team sport- the vast majority of championship teams have done so with chemistry and teamwork, and usually don’t feature quitters. (Yes, there are exceptions to that.) And very rarely have I ever seen a player who is a quitter get over that- they end up being so for the rest of their career.

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by KJSegall on Sep 14, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you give me an example of him quitting?

I remember some games last year where our whole team looked like it had quit but Allen never stood out as a quitter to me anymore than the majority of the team. In any event I think it would be a bad idea to cut a 3rd year CB that’s 23 and learning, for a 29 year old CB that had a career peak of being a solid nickel corner for us two years ago. Don’t mean to be harsh, but your Sapp over Allen idea seems more like a “fan-favorite” move than a rational one.

by CanadianViking on Sep 14, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I'd calling it quitting...

…but in New England last year, it was Allen that cost us the game. I recall he missed his tackle on a short pass/screen that was all his to make. It was 3rd and long and the receiver got the first down by beating Allen which sealed the game for New England. Sapp would have made that tackle… and maybe even ripped the receiver’s chest open and eaten his heart.

Allen is okay in the slot, but IMO Sherels is already better in the slot. I’d play Winfield, Sapp and Sherels ahead of Allen in the slot, and all of them (and maybe a couple of linebackers too) ahead of him on the outside corner positions.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure

that ripping open the chest would be a penalty, and eating the heart would be considered taunting. Par for the course for Sapp….

TiggerSr

by TiggerSr on Sep 14, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not an Asher Allen fan but I don't think he's nearly as bad as the popular opinion around here.

No offense, but one bad missed tackle allowing a first down wasn’t the game deciding play against New England. The team had other chances in that game to score or stop New England. Crap, Winfield(the best tacker I’ve ever seen) missed three tackles against San Diego that allowed a couple of first downs. I wouldn’t even hint that he lost us that game : )

Also, don’t know if you watched Miami and New England but Benny Sapp was whiffing on Wes Welker and others all night long and not just on the 99 yarder. I’m afraid that at 29 Benny just doesn’t have the jets to be anything more than filler at the bottom of a teams depth chart. Sherels has flashed well in the pre-season and I share your high hopes for him but preseason doesn’t mean much. It’s only been a little over two years since people were calling Asher a Winfield-clone after a strong preseason : )

Anyway, Allen’s our 4th string corner so he won’t see the field much for us anyways but hopefully he’ll improve as he’s only 23 and entering his third year. If he doesn’t, Meh, not that big of a deal as the team has bigger problems to worry about than our 4th string CB like the O-line and the offenses poor showing.

by CanadianViking on Sep 14, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but...

…2 of our top 3 corners were injured for significant portions of the season last year. And Winfield had significant foot problems in 2009 and is getting up there in age. As 2010 showed, it doesn’t take much for your 4th string guy to become your every day, every down cornerback.

As the missed tackle in New England, it is but one example. Allen gets beat, pretty frequently, on the outside and the slot has Winfield (and probably Sherels) ahead of him.

by kcskol on Sep 15, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they will stick with Allen

If they can stick with Tyrell for all of his four years then I have to believe that Frazier will stick with Allen.

I know he did not do to well last year but I think the experience he gained was invaluable and will help him going forward.

I still have hope for him.

by MarkSP18 on Sep 16, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blitz

Benny Sapp is a pretty good blitzer (Andy Benoit at NFLTouchdown mentions this in his Dolphins preview). That could be huge for us, since Frazier likes to call delayed blitzes that never even come close. Maybe Sapp as dime back occasionally scoring on a blitz is better than Asher Allen ever being on the field? Especially since Camarillo never does anything. I was happy when we traded for him because he was a good Dolphin, but I guess he doesn’t fit in our offense the same way.

by tuckerbjt on Sep 13, 2011 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Sapp is better than Allen

And the safety was more at fault for the TD than Sapp was.

by Shawn Gillogly on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Kind of a toss up

I voted yes because I think Sapp is the better player, Allen probably has more potential though.

A little more depth also couldn’t hurt given the injury history, as you stated.

Even if we don’t pick him up, can’t help but feel sorry for him getting cut 1 game in for 1 play that was entirely his fault. Continues to show the Dolphins ineptitude though. The Hot seat is getting hot for Sparano at this point

by FSUViking on Sep 14, 2011 12:06 AM CDT reply actions  

meant to read

“a play in game 1 that wasn’t entirely his fault”

by FSUViking on Sep 14, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Benny Sapp’s penalty was punching the other player in the chin strap (quick too) He reminds me of Joey Browner (S) , always getting a penalty on 3rd and long after the play was over.

by Bobcat m on Sep 14, 2011 4:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Sapp had a good game vs the Pats actually...

I was keeping an eye on him, and was thinking “man we should’ve held on to him”….

by All'Aboard'The'Purple'Love'Boat on Sep 14, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Pro Football Talk agrees with you (more or less)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/13/99-yard-play-gets-benny-sapp-cut/

Let’s go out and get him. Honestly, if he was like 2009 Benny Sapp, I’d start feeling okay about our CB situation. In fact, can he play safety? Serious question.

by kcskol on Sep 14, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the price is right

There really is no down side to picking him up. Then I can break out my Sapp jersey…oh wait, yeah, didnt really get one of those did I.

by A shot at greatness, probable failure on Sep 14, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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