Stock Market Report, Week 2
I have an idea. Can we petition the NFL to only play 30 minute games?
No?
Damn it.
I'm as befuddled as you guys are. How a team can look so impressive in one half turn into a bag of warmed over piss in the second half is beyond me. I've seen great Vikings teams, I've seen bad Vikings teams, and I don't think I've seen any Vikings team as inconsistent as this one is turning out to be.
After Sunday, with the Packers 2-0 and a suddenly imposing 2-0 Detroit team coming to town, I see dark storm clouds on the horizon. Boys and girls, I think it's time to grab a flashlight and head to the basement, because we've got a hell of a storm coming, and all we'll be able to do is ride it out. Ride out the storm?
The wind outside is frightening
But it's kinder than the
lightning life in the city
It's a hard life to live
but it gives back what you give
One thing about a bad storm, though. Once it's over, you pick up the pieces, chainsaw the downed trees, and the weather is pretty good for awhile.
Or the tornado goes right through your neighborhood and destroys everything, especially if you can't score or keep your opponent from scoring in the second half.
SMR, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:*
Adrian Peterson, RB. Peterson ran with abandon, and had he not been tripped up at least three times in the first half he would've had long gains and/or ensuing ensuing touchdown runs.
Jared Allen and Brian Robison, DE. Solid from the outside, and Allen was a wrecking ball off the edge.
Donovan McNabb, QB. Deftly avoided the rush, made plays with his arm and feet, and was a commanding presence running an efficient, crisp offense.
Solid Investments:*
The Offensive Line. They held their blocks, opened holes for AP, and protected McNabb well. I
Percy Harvin, WR. I like what the Vikings are doing with Harvin. They're moving him inside, outside, lining him up in the backfield, and they are doing their utmost to get him the ball. The Vikes are using Harvin like he was at Florida--a hybrid WR/RB with a concentration of being a WR.
The Entire Secondary: Antoine Winfield, Cedric Griffin, Jamarca Sanford and Hasain Abdullah played some lock down football in the first half, and shut down Tampa Bay's top two wideouts for the better part of the game. Let's focus a little bit more on the guys that are one dropped pass from the Arena League, though, okay fellas?
*Only applies in the first half. Everyone in the second half sucked, which you'll see below. Don't have a cow and put something in the comments like "OMG TED HOW COULD YOU GIVE MCNABB A BLUECHIP RATING HE WAS TERRIBLE START PONDER GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!11!!!!ZOMG OMG.
Chillax.
Junk Bonds:
Absolutely Everyone In The Second Half. Players didn't play, coaches didn't coach, waterboys didn't squeeze water out of bottles properly. They all failed. I just don't get it. Momentum ebbs and flows during a football game; I think almost all fans understand that. What we don't understand is this absolute 180 degree change from one half to the next, how they can come out like gangbusters for 30 minutes and look like the best team in the NFL, and then look like the worst in the second half. I want to believe Leslie Frazier and company knows what they're doing. And to an extent, they do, obviously. But something happens when they go in the locker room at halftime. Either they think they're good to go, and they all check their email and make no adjustments, or the adjustments they make are all wrong. Either way, it's something that I've never seen in all my years as a Vikes fan. I've seen thorough incompetence, I've seen stunning mental errors at the worst time, and I've seen some thrilling, downright dominating football. But I haven't seen such a hot and cold team as this team is turning out to be.
Okay, that said...Leslie Frazier and his staff have done some good things. There are flashes there that make me believe that this team will be competitive, and both Bill Musgrave and Fred Pagac called a damn near perfect first half. I'm as frustrated as you are that the second half, two weeks in a row, has been a trainwreck, but I'm not ready to jump ship yet. Well, I'll never jump ship, because that's how I roll, bitches, but this team is going to inflict some damage by the time this season is done.
Whether it's on other teams or my psyche, that remains to be seen, but damage will be inflicted.
Buy/Sell:
Buy: Toby Gerhart. Gerhart's performance was the Vikings game in a nutshell. Gerhart made some great plays both running and catching the ball in the first half. Took a sweep around end for over 30 yards and got the Vikes in scoring position, and took a screen pass for 42 yards. Both plays set up Adrian Peterson touchdown runs, and at the half Gerhart had 78 total yards. At the end of the game, Gerhart had...78 total yards. What happened to the deft subbing in of Gerhart in the first half? Hello? Anyone?
Sell: Bernard Berrian. I'm done with Berrian. The Vikings need a guy that can step up and make a catch, and Berrian ain't it. If he's a 'speed' receiver, then Troy Williamson was a 'possession' receiver. Berrian doesn't fight for the ball, and he seems to get alligator arms when there's a ball in traffic. Give me Devin Aramoshodu, give me Jaymar Johnson, hell, call Ahmad Rashad and see if he's busy. Bernard Berrian sucks, and what Leslie Frazier sees in him I'll never know.
Buy: Michael Jenkins. But Jenkins is. Harvin and Jenkins are a good tandem, and along with Visanthe Shiancoe and Kyle Rudolph, there's a corps of talent there. Every catch Jenkins has made but one has been for either a first down or a touchdown, and I'm not sure why the Vikes don't target him more.
Sell: Percy Harvin's Last Kickoff Return. When there was 30 seconds left, I thought the Vikes still had a chance, and when Tampa Bay kicker Connor Barth only knocked it to the goal line, I thought the Vikes still had a chance...until Harvin bobbled the kick, then fumbled, and then could only get it to the 10.
Buy: Husain Abdullah. The Vikes needed a turnover when Abdullah picked off Josh Freeman on the goal line, and I thought that might have been the play that turned momentum in Minnesota's favor for good. Abdullah has already made more plays in two games than Madieu WIlliams did all last season, and I think he's progressing nicely.
Sell: Tyrell Johnson. The defense's equivalent of Bernard Berrian. Thanks for dropping ANOTHER potential interception that might have sealed the game. Put Jamarca Sanford in there and leave him in there.
Buy: Kyle Rudolph's First NFL Catch: That's something I want to see more of. It was a nice catch and run for a first down, and Rudolph displayed his good hands and decent speed for a big white dude.
Sell: Brian Robison's Offsides Penalty: It couldn't have come at a worse time, as it nullified a turnover, and on the next play, which was a 3rd and 12, Tamps Bay hit a 51 uard completion. Ouch. It tarnished an otherwise good game by Robison, who is doing a good job of replacing Ray Edwards, who hasn't done much of anything in Atlanta.
Buy: Not re-signing Sidney Rice: Hey, I'll admit I was blowing the gjallahorn the loudest when the Vikes let Sidney Rice leave for Seattle, but so far it looks like the smartest thing the Vikings could have done. He hasn't played yet, and has a torn labia labrum. I kind of hope Sid does the cocktease with Seattle that he did here about surgery, and eventually has it and makes Seattle look like colossal dopes for signing him to that big contract. But healthy or not, he still has Tarvaris Jackson bounce passing it to him, so it's not like it was money well spent anyway.
There are some things to like about the Vikings in 2011. Adrian Peterson is just awesome, especially when you have him on your fantasy team as well. The Vikings are doing a good job of getting the ball in Harvin's hand as a runner and a receiver, and when the offense is in a rhythm it's very effective, as we saw in the first half today. The secondary, for the most part, has been exceptional. The Vikings are taking care of business against guys like Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams, but they're getting killed by guys that are essentially journeymen.
I don't know what the hell the Vikes need to do, but they need to do something, or this season will be lost before we're four games in. And if that's the case, we might as well start the Christian Ponder era.
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Torn labia...
Awesome.
And there’s one more ‘buy’ I’d like to add to that list: I top 5 draft pick!
At least now they won't be going to LA.
They will get half way there with no issues and have to take a short gas up stop. They would get back on the road, meet some slight adversity and have to give up and come back. So stop worrying about that scenario.
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and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 19, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Torn labia..thanks Ted…I really needed a laugh!
by Maineviking on Sep 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you nailed it on the cuts
Berrian and Johnson.
I look at is like McNabb vs Ponder/Webb; If you know there’s no way either player is coming back next year, and it’s a safe bet this is an evalute-young-players year and not a make-the-playoffs year, why not get it over with?
Unless Frazier honestly thinks Berrian and/or Johnson could be RE-signed next year, in which case I will add:
Coach Frazier: ‘Sell’
I'd like to see a comparison of Thrown-To vs. Reception for Berrian & Jenkins
Berrian probably has one catch in 6-7 throws while Jenkins is likely nearer 75%. Hard for me to tell because haven’t been able to watch either game – looks like Jenkins either isn’t open in the second half or they don’t throw to him.
by Caretaker QB on Sep 19, 2011 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm done waiting for Berrian to step up
He had all last season to step up. he didn’t do it so I have no faith he’s going to do it now.
Last season was Favre's fault..allegedly.
Favre is a smart guy. He knew about Butterhands’ problems.
You Must Have Cheated....
According to Advanced NFL Stats:
Berrian: 6 targets, 1 catch
Jenkins: 6 targets. 6 catches
I know they have a bunch of flotsam at WR depth chart, but I have to think Aromoshadu (sp?), Arcenoux, or Joe Webb would have a chance to upgrade over what Berrian gives them.
I’m really coming around to believing James Jones would’ve been a great pick-up. The thing with Berrian is I always try to remember is that he’s a deep guy, and those types of passes are simply more difficult to pull off (particularly with a QB who looks like he’s lost that touch downfield, not mention a line that doesn’t provide much time). But Jones, like Berrian, also gets much of his targets deep; except Jones, you know, converts them. Granted, the Packers’ passing attack is in a different zip code than the Vikings’, and teams don’t exactly worry about James Jones beating them, but Jones would’ve been an upgrade, and the signing bonus he got on his new deal is roughly the same as Berrian’s salary this year.
Moreover, Jones is younger than Berrian, and the Packers’ re-upped him for 3 years (about $9 million total, from what I can find). Right now I’m fearful the WR situation will lead to a Spielman Special come April: The Big Reach for Need with and Early Pick! (see Tyrell Johnson, Phil Loadholt, Toby Gerhardt, Chris Cook, Christian Ponder…)
I feel your pain
and I can see the big reach happening too, however we have so many spots of need that I really can’t see them making to bad of a pick. Real question is WR or LT in the first.
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
I think we made the right choice
James Jones only has two receptions for 16 yards in a pass heavy offense. Jenkins has six receptions for 55 yards in a run heavy offense. Jenkins over Jones.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and our breakthrough is now. We will get that first down, then get a touchdown. Then we'll kick your ass.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 19, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take Jones over Berrian, though
Harvin – Jenkins – Jones sounds a little better than what they’ve got now
More a reflection of his opportunities than anything else. He hasn’t been on the field very much these past two games. It seems like Nelson has taken over his #3 spot, and now he’s splitting time with Driver and Cobb. Lots of us are wondering why he was even re-signed in the first place.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 20, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
MOAR GERHART
Seriously. 0 touches in the 2nd half when his first 3 averaged 26 yards/try? Did they not want Peterson to look bad? I mean, at that rate, 3 more touches and he passes Peterson on the game.
This must be a side-effect of the soft-spoken Frazier
They get to halftime and relax, then can’t turn it back on in the 3rd. A hard-to-please taskmaster like Belichick can always find something to gripe about – penalties, missed blocks or tackles.
Dungy got away with being soft-spoken in Indy because Manning was the taskmaster getting on everyone’s case.
holy crap, laughter ensues...ted says: "labia...cocktease...surgery", lemme guess, "labiaplasty"
funny stuff aside…the reports are for a “torn labrum”. it is assumed that it is in his shoulder, but a torn hip labrum is also a type of injury. he could be lying again. either way, IT’S NOT OUR PROBLEM NOW !!!
have fun seattle, sidney rice is like your version of our bernard berrian. big pay, no pay-off.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Ted:
How can McNabb be a blue chip? He played below average again today. Horribly inaccurate. At least two underthrown deep balls, completely missed a wide open Aromashadu, couldn’t hit Shiancoe on a crossing route inside the 10-yard line and threw behind slant routes.
Sure he threw for yards today, but he can no longer throw deep or even moderately long with accuracy. This feels like Brad Johnson in 2006.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
by mjschaefer on Sep 19, 2011 1:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Here’s a sampling of what I mean:
2nd and 10 at TB 43 D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to B.Berrian.
2nd and 16 at TB 46 D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to D.Aromashodu.
2nd and 8 at MIN 47 D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to P.Harvin. PENALTY on TB-M.Foster, Defensive Pass Interference, 23 yards, enforced at MIN 47 – No Play.
3rd and 6 at MIN 26 (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to D.Aromashodu (E.Biggers).
1st and 10 at MIN 10 (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to P.Harvin.
These are the five plays where McNabb threw a pass – in the air – for longer than 15 yards. He finished 0-5 with a pass interference being the only positive outcome, on a ball that he should have easily hit Harvin in stride. Get rid of the PI and the play where he had to throw while rolling out, he’s still 0-3 on longer pass plays.
Combine this with the god awful Berrian pass in Week 1 and we’ve yet to see McNabb complete a deep pass.
YAC stats aren’t out yet, but Toby Gerhart’s 42 yards are just shy of being nearly a fifth of McNabb’s total numbers. Harvin, Peterson, Rudolph and others had a few decent plays after short catches to extend the yardage total. McNabb’s first drive of the game featured three straight bad passes and struggled to throw the ball in the red zone all game.
McNabb is not all bad, he’s certainly not been good. He’s not even been league average. If he can’t throw down field consistently with success, Minnesota has little chance of winning more than a few games.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
FACT: Totally missed the asterisk. My apologies. Still concerned about the lack of deep ball.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
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was anyone else not really totally disturbed by today's meltdown?
it just seemed so earily familiar, i knew the script, we’ve been here before, i could see all the signs, i watched it unfold unravel as though right on the director’s cue. we screwed the pooch, and it didn’t surprise me at all. it is almost easier that we lost, now any false hope that would have been garnered from a victory over a pretty good team will simply not exist….because we are in sort of a groove (or smooth rut).
therefore, there will be no false expectations that we have any kind of chance against the lions next week. and the impending stomach ache that accompanies the bitter realization that we are getting our asses kicked by a team that has sucked for decades, simply will have no chance to form. because now i anticipate 0-3. i can visualize it clearly, it seems to fit the picture, it won’t phase me, and i will start thinking of what it may be like to be in the andrew luck sweepstakes. at least we have our version of a barry sanders.
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Thanks for the video - REO Speedwagon!
Brought back memories of playing that song over-and-over until the 8-track tape started to drag and had to wedge a folded piece of paper in the side.
I would add another Sell: Charlie Johnson
Was at work when the game was live, so I had a buddy record it for me. When I watched it, I rewound every play that McNabb was hurried or anything of the sort and 80% of the time, it was Johnson who blew his block. I had hope in the pre-season that he would be passable, but he was just terrible tonight.
I think they’re drinking at halftime. On Robinson’s off side it looked like the center jumped first.
Heard the same thing
I saw a few similar plays this week that didn’t get called as offsides but we deserved to lose anyway. You could tell once TB put some points on the board we played scared and were trying to not lose the game instead of trying to win, if that makes any sense.
Nope just our cover 2
and no blitzing, we don’t need to pressure the QB?
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 21, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It wouldn't be bad
but it doesn’t allow us to mask the deficiencies in our defense, every time we switch to it we get tore apart in the middle of the field.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What adjustments would the team make?
You run two damn near perfect first halves there’s really no cause to make halftime adjustments.
The problem is the team is having trouble making/performing “on the fly” adjustments during the 2nd half.
I can only think that conditioning is an issue. The team just doesn’t have the same intensity from half to half. This will resolve naturally as the weeks progress and this team will win it’s share of games.
I think it's something with the defense actually
The defense is getting rolled in the 2nd half of these games.
that's what happens
when you allow opposing receivers a 5-7 yard cushion to catch a pass uncontested.
Perception vs. Reality
As the old cliche says, kind of, perception can become reality.
The reality may be that this Viking team hung close on the road with a good Chargers team, and led a good Bucs team for fifty-eight minutes and some seconds. The reality may be that this Viking team is a couple plays away from 2-0.
But the perception is that this Viking team just lost two games in stupefying fashion, and is at the least maddeningly inconsistent and poorly coached.
More importantly, the Vikings are in an 0-2 hole, and that is the reality that matters, regardless of how close they actually are to 2-0.
by Midnight Rambler on Sep 19, 2011 7:08 AM CDT reply actions
Deja vu?
seems like we’re watching last years team. same problems. offense has a few good drives and gets the lead. defense can’t get off the field on 3rd down and BB still can’t catch. with all the injuries last season, we could rationalize but the team is healthy now and still the same issues. why can’t the vikes adjust their game plans during the game like the other 31 teams? is something isn’t working the vikes don’t seem capable of making changes. while the loss isn’t on the QB, can he please stop throwing at the receivers feet? at least give the player a chance to make the catch.
Chad Greenway??
Does anyone ever remember Greenway making a big play with the game on the line? It seems like he’s perfected the art of making a tackle one yard past the first down marker. I really wonder if the Vikings bought into a guy who’s a solid player – but not the expensive playmaker they paid for – and need.
They can't cut him...
… because what good would it do? We’d just get even worse, in all likelihood. If we could say free the money and get a decent player at another position, like an O-lineman or a backup linebacker, then yeah do it. Or a better WR for that matter.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
We have to cut someone to make a spot for Kevin Williams, and he’s the weakest link.
The road to fulfillment in any line of endeavor is always marked by an initial breakthrough; however, that first taste of success needs to be replicated again and again in order for supremacy to be sustained. We are Vikings, and our breakthrough is now. We will get that first down, then get a touchdown. Then we'll kick your ass.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 19, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because someone is your weakest link doesn't mean you can cut him
if the next guy you put into his spot is going to be a weaker link. Fred Evans makes sense he’s been cut before and he’s not an excellent D lineman. We have a plethora of good D line so there ya go :D
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Sell:
Clock management at the end of the game.
Did I miss some tactical maneuvering here? Did something go above my head (always likely :p)? We had all of our time-outs. The Bucs were moving. There was almost two minutes on the clock and it just tick-tick-ticked down to 0:30 before we got our hands on the ball again.
Oh well. I guess our 14-2 season starts now. :D
…. :(
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 19, 2011 8:09 AM CDT reply actions
Bingo...
… how did we end that friggin game with all of our time outs? We could have at least had more than a minute to drive and get a touchdown. Might have still lost, but at least clock management could have given us a chance.
I freely admit I don’t know enough about football to be a coach, but any idiot fan (me) could see they didn’t use the clock right at the end of the game.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Any idiot fan (me and seemingly everyone else) can also see
that Berrian and Tyrell Johnson are liabilities on the field. Berrian should be replaced my a young talent with potential and Johnson should ride the pine until we can find a better replacement.
What’s not clear is exactly why Leslie Frazier is blind to these facts. He says that Johnson and Sanford are still so close that they both deserve to play. Okay it’s probably me… right? Can anyone explain to me how/why Frazier is right?
he likes a challenge?
and he feels that if the vikes can’t win with 10 players on the field then they don’t deserve a win?
What boggles the mind
Isn’t that we’re 0-2 many people had us losing to the Chargers and Tampa, no that’s not the problem at all. The problem is how we’re losing. We played excellent football for a single half then completely get hammered in the second. This gives us the feeling we should be winning these games instead of losing them. The team is going to have to figure out what to do with short passes. So far teams start doing it in the second half because they know it’s going to work. Next week they may start the game that way and then where will we be? losing in the first and second half..
Offensive play calling it seems to take a dip after the first 22 set plays. Not sure why they are falling apart but it seems that once the set plays are finished Musgrave has a hard time figuring out what to do.
These of course are just my opinions and as such are completely and totally correct.
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
I agree
I’m not seeing an inherently bad team with these Minnesota Vikings. They are just disappearing and losing games.
The Chiefs, for example, should feel bad. They’ve played/looked horrible the first two weeks and have just been wrecked in their first two games. This was a playoff team last year. If I were a Chiefs fan right now, things would be looking pretty damn bleak.
We have the same record as The Chiefs, but look a hell of a lot better. I mean, at least we aren’t getting completely embarrassed (yet).
I still think this Vikings team can go 8-8, maybe even 9-7, if they can just show some consistency. The pieces are there.
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 19, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention Jamaal Charles went down with a torn ACL
Not gonna help their chances this year
by PURPpplEATER on Sep 19, 2011 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nor is it going to help my ff team
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Teasing you along until you start to believe..then they rip your heart out and crush your soul..not easy being a vikings fan..
by PURPpplEATER on Sep 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that’s exactly how I looked sitting at the bar during the 4th quarter. :(
of course it didn’t help having d-bag Packer fans sitting around us rubbing it in.
Amazingly the Lions fans were classy and reassured me that they’d wipe those smiles off the Packers’ faces in a few weeks. :p
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 19, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
packer fans have nothing to rub your face in.
they gave up 422 yds to a rookie qb on a bad team. if not for his mistakes the packers lose.
i would gladly give up 500 yards...
if the Vikes had a “W” at the end of the day. :-(
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 19, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I would say the Panthers are a better team than the Vikings right now.
Let’s see McNabb & Co. hang 400 yards on Green Bay.
What we do is what we do.
by WilkesViking on Sep 19, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
i’m just pointing out that the packers are hardl playing dominating football right now. they playedthe saints and the panthers and have given up over 800 yds in 2 games against 2 very average defenses. if not for some self inflicted wounds the panthers and the saints could have just as easily have won.
well lets hope the Vikes get the good breaks when we play the pack.
as Kluewe would say
#weargoingtoneedeveryonewecanget
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 19, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the only break that would be sufficient would be if they got snowed in at the airport.
Then we could re-schedule for a Tuesday night… we’re undefeated on Tuesdays.
Adjustments
Could it be they are making too many adjustments in the second half, trying to stay one step ahead and going too far instead of sticking with what works until they prove they can stop you?
I am concerned that every second half Pagac comes out and leave the entire middle of the field open with just EJ and Greenway covering at about the hash marks and lets the opposing offense get passes for 5-7 yards. TEs, RBs and nobody slot WRs are killing us across the middle.
I am hoping that our interior pressure will increase next week with the return of KWill but I’m not sure how optimistic I am about facing the Lions (which it pains me to say) with the way our defensive scheme is set up for the second half.
Interesting thought.
Though after this week if we have nto adjusted for short passes then it is clearly a lack of adjustments or a lack of coaches seeing the painfully obvious.
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Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 19, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
We are making adjustments to be conservative and not sticking with what has been working. In SD the offense went ultra conservative against TB we started dropping into our cover 2 and not blitzing to get pressure. The other teams made some adjustments but a lot of it was we were trying not to lose rather than playing to win in the 2nd half’s.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 21, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
I see that you want buy Abdullah and sell Tyrell. I can understand that but I really do not fault Johnson for dropping that pick. I believe Abdullah was coming over to try and pick it too and that could have caused Tyrell to hiccup. Like I said in another thread, there is a reason he is on defense. Plus if the coaches do not have Sanford in there at the end of the game then I have to wonder why? I think Tyrell is better in pass coverage and Sanford better in run support.
I give Abdullah credit for making the pick that he did but in reality he was beat and if Freeman had out the ball out there another 2 to 3 yards then it probably would have been a touchdown. It was just a bad throw.
The safeties are what they are and that is average at best IMHO.
I think that Berrian should not have made the team and I really do not know why they do not let Aromashodu play more. Maybe Berrian runs better patterns?
I really think it is just the offensive line. In both second halves the offense has not been able to do anything and that is basically because of the line. I know AP ran well in the first half and Toby had a couple of good runs but AP makes a lot of his own yardage. He is making incredible jump cuts just to get back to the line of scrimmage and then cutting again to hit a hole. No, if the line was imposing their will in the second half then I believe the Vikings would sustain some more drives.
I always wondered why they did not rotate their offensive linemen during the game? I know people say it is because of chemistry but I think they should do it. I think our line gets worn down. letting them get a break for a series or a few downs may be beneficial late in the game. I would not mind seeing Love and Brown come in for Johnson and Herrera for a few snaps a game. probably a ridiculous idea but what could it hurt?
Gotta say
I agree with this assessment almost completely.
The only thing I would add is that it appears to me — it may be a mirage — that both SD and TB executed a lot better on offense in the 2d half against the Vikes, either because they played better or because of halftime adjustments to the scheme/playcalling.
TiggerSr
watch both tapes and notice neither team really was throwing the short ball in the first half
in the second half both teams started up on it and crushed us.
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I agree
It does look like they had Aromashodu in their more against the Bucs at least.
The line playing better in the 2nd half would help but against the Bucs they started blitzing their safeties because they were trying to take away AP and not let him beat them. Mcnab needs to read that and find the one on one coverage and get the ball out faster.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 21, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice Video!
Love the REO Speedwagon clip. Us old-timers remember that came out about the time the Vikes played in their last Super Bowl…
Maddening..
after cooling off… I am still a bit optimistic. The Vikings were in each game and really should have won both. The collapse in each game was horrible, but there is cause to believe that this team can still be competive this year. If the Bears made it to the NFC Championship last year…anything can happen. They were flat out horrible in some games…(Redskins game comes to mind)…keep the faith. I think we are in for a treat against Detroit…
You sure are
The treat of defeat! J/K
Seriously though, Detroit hasn’t won in Minne since 1997 so anything is possible. You have the best back in the league and a decent defense.
McNabb is washed up but Ponder could be the next Fran Tarkenton. I like the Vikinga future because it appears bright. Not so sure about this season, but the Vikings won’t be perennial doormats like the Lions have been the last decade.
BTW, did you realize the Lions have only given up 1 TD on defense so far? Or that Stafford has 7 TD’s, or that Calvin already had 4 TD’s, or that the Lions appear to have a legit playoff caliber type team?
It’s about time we Lions fans say.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad for the Lions fans
It is good to see Detroit do well…except against the Vikings!
I expect a split between MN and DET..and the other division teams..generally that is the way it goes. I just think the Vikes will capitalize on an overconfident Lion team and the fact that K. Williams returns..making the D better…and the O will improve…and play two halves.
McNabb is not washed up…he isnt the man of yesterday..but I still expect good performances from him. Ponder will be good I think also…next year and beyond.
by Maineviking on Sep 19, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah thats the same thing the Chiefs fans said
Look how that turned out. Nobody is overlooking the Vikes, trust me. We aren’t blind to the talent on your team. I just think we have more, that’s all.
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by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It may not be popular to say up here, but I know a lot of us are thinking it...
We don’t have enough firepower to beat Detroit unless they under-perform.
I totally I hope I eat those words!
Bull
If we play a complete game, we will win. If we play half a game like last week, we lose. Simple as that.
the Metrodome is a tough place to play
And Detroit hasn’t won there in 14yrs. Its possible that they do lose. The Vikes have talent and are at home. Its in their favor to win with these facts.
Thing is though, we have a legitimate franchise quarterback, an elite receiving corps and defensive line with great players all around them and confidence that is needed to be a winning team. The Vikes have none of these.
A.P can’t win games all by himself and I’m not confident in McNabb’s abilities anymore. Your defense is still decent, but no longer the force it used to be. The Lions are going to be in the hunt for the playoffs/divison and the Vikes are playing to not lose. That’s not a good recipe for a winning season with a new qb and 1st year head coach.
I’m not dissing the Vikes, but as a Lions fan I’ve been in this situation way too many times to be confident in the Vikings 2011 season. There’s too many things working against them to be a playoff team and starting 0-2 won’t help either. I could see maybe 8-8, but not much better.
Next season with a more seasoned Ponder and a better group of receivers I could definitely see them in the playoffs. The Vikes have talent, but are victims of circumstance being in the toughest division in football with a 1st year coach, a washed up McNabb, and a rookie qb in Ponder. I think those are the 3 main reasons they won’t finish above .500.
Next year I expect them to be a force in the NFC North.
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by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 1:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No offense here at all.
Because I love me some Suh when he isn’t facing a team wearing purple. But he is no Kevin Williams (yet). Actually, same argument for Jared Allen and Vanden Bosch. Again, don’t catch me wrong. I really like the two Lions I mentioned, but they are not nearly as good (for Suh, yet.). So I say your defensive line comment is invalid. But that is only my opinion.
by Vikingsfan17 on Sep 19, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What about the rest of our d-line?
Or all four of our starting-calibur backups?
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Ill give Allen over KVB
But not K. Williams over Suh, no way. Suh is a once in a lifetime talent and an all-pro as a rookie, Williams’ best days are behind him without the other Williams. Our defensive line last year was a top-5 unit and could be even better this year with an improved back-7. Hate to break it to ya pal, the Lions d-line is better than the Vikes and I’m sure most people not Viking fans would agree.
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by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 4:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably is
If we had the Lion’s W/L record over the past 10 years, I think we’d be able to field guys like Suh as well :).
Seriously, you guys have been in the dog house for a long time, major props to you fans for sticking by your team thru thick and thin!
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problem was we didnt make the most of the high round picks until Millen was fired
Martin Mayhew has turned this team’s culture around. We have a team that can finally beat anybody, something we couldn’t say for way over a decade. Its been very hard for us fans, but its gonna be paying dividends very soon for sticking with them.
Don’t let my words get to you Viking fans, I believe that you guys aren’t too far behind the rest of the divison, maybe even better than Chicago. Ponder could be the real deal from what I’ve seen of him and maybe could go on to be the next best thing to Tarkenton for the Vikings. The future is bright in Minnesota, that’s for sure.
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by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 7:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
problem was we didnt make the most of the high round picks until Millen was fired
Martin Mayhew has turned this team’s culture around. We have a team that can finally beat anybody, something we couldn’t say for way over a decade. Its been very hard for us fans, but its gonna be paying dividends very soon for sticking with them.
Don’t let my words get to you Viking fans, I believe that you guys aren’t too far behind the rest of the divison, maybe even better than Chicago. Ponder could be the real deal from what I’ve seen of him and maybe could go on to be the next best thing to Tarkenton for the Vikings. The future is bright in Minnesota, that’s for sure.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2011 7:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"Yet".
Yet is the key word there. But Suh is very, very good and extremely talented. However, Kevin Williams, still is one of, if not the best interior defensive linemen in the league, and is more proven. If you are asking me this even next year, my answer could easily change. And our depth is unreal up front.
by Vikingsfan17 on Sep 19, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And Detroit hasn’t won there in 14yrs
Now that’s a positive fact on our side. There was a stat saying McNabb was undefeated at the Metrodome but it was busted on Sunday. A 14 year stat has weight but lions is no slouch this year.
The Vikings image of being a 30minute team is strongly resonating throughout fan and football analysts. It’s awful stuff and can easily take on a self-destructive tone. Either it happens again, we lose or we play 60 minutes and gain respect back by maintaining a lead or coming back to win.
If it keeps up, I say one qb gets the honors on the first half, and someone else gets to finish the game to truly change tempo and pace and style. Failure to adapt and adjust is not going to be the Viking’s mantra for 2011 season. The better of the two gets the starting job next week.
By the way, all this recently active LUCK talk and Ponder being a REACH is plain stupid. You’re almost wishing the Vikings to play the fanasy guys to desirable stats and short-circut for the WIN. The physical make-up Newton has is not what LUCK has. Stanford offense has to count for LUCK getting desirable stats. The big question mark is how does it translate to NFL? Everyone is reaching here just because it’s a little popular to say so.
REACH please retire this word effective immediately when it comes to football except in the phrase of the (football player, insert name here) reached for the ball in the air and (adjective – caught, tipped, blocked) it. Anyone being drafted in NFL is a rare honor to be among the top 1% of all players available.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Sep 19, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Over confident?
You assume they have something to be ‘over confident’ about… which is flattering…
However, In the TB game Detroit’s Special teams were attrocious and the offense was suspect at times giving up a cheap pick six.
the KC game was a far cry from a good performance…. The offense took for ever to get going, the Rush Defense was horrible and it wasn’t until Roary the mascot took out Charles that the Defense started to play better. Not only that, take a look at Detroit’s average drive distance…. lol… that’ll tell you the truth about the score.
So… over confident… don’t count on it. This team has all the talent to smoke Minnesota, but they have not built the chemistry needed to be a champion…. yet.
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Well you should be competitive...
… at any rate, and have a chance. I would see Detroit as a WC team behind GB. But I would be surprised if Detroit doesn’t have a better record than Chicago or Minnesota.
I wouldn’t get too pumped about blowing out KC. KC is pretty clearly one of the worst teams in the league right now.
If the Vikes aren’t going to win the division, which is almost for certain, I’d rather Detroit win it than Green Bay or Chicago. Right now, I’m just hoping the Vikes can win some divisional games to spoil someones season.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one...
… who was screaming “call a f’king time out, call a f’king time out” during the last 2 minutes of that game? Please tell me I wasn’t alone.
It was all the more embarrassing to be in a Chicago-themed sportsbar to be the only one doing it!
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions
you were not alone.
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 19, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking "time out" too,
but I think the strategy was that we knew we were getting the ball back, (ha ha) so after our quick score (in our dreams) we didn’t want to leave them with any time on the clock.
Make sense? Not in reality.
I just couldn’t believe our non existent pass defense. It was hard to watch.
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by JethroBoViking on Sep 19, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest...
… I understand your explanation, but I don’t think they thought it through at all. Somehow in their cloudy reasoning they thought maybe TB didn’t have enough time to score.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not clearly...
… at any rate. I would say that any team needs to have the responsibilities delegated. I would also say that the OC and DC aren’t generally responsible for deciding when to call a time out. So, I would have to put that squarely on Frazier. Hate to say that, but Frazier should be putting his focus on those game-management things, time outs, etc, once the game has started. The OC and DC call the formations/plays/etc.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think what you said is what I meant to say.
Yeah, we didn’t have to score, just get the ball back and run out the clock. They probably thought that any time outs would give Tampa Bay time to figure things out.
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by JethroBoViking on Sep 19, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on Rudolph...
… and I like the run after his catch. He ran with some athleticism, power, and authority. It was encouraging to see. He looks athletic and like a real physical presence out their.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
Well maybe....
… I would say most rookies have “areas of concern”. He’s also on a team with Kleinsasser as a blocker, so maybe the coaches get used to watching him steamroll people.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Gerhart Needs More Touches
What happened to all of the talk in the pre-season about getting Toby more touches, pounding the rock and letting AP extend his season/career. AP is a great running back……….who had a solid but not great game yesterday. 25 rushes for 125 yards is fine …….but I am a firm believer that if you gave Toby the ball 25 times he would get there as well. More importantly, AP’s production diminished considerably in the second half….fatigue?? And we had problems getting first downs (and touchdowns inside the 10 yard line) as we would often run once (AP) and then have two incomplete passes or a sack. Seems to me you should give the ball 18 – 20 times to AP and 8 – 10 times to Toby, wear down that defense and move the chains up the field. I know that the O line has its issues, but the BUCs were not very good at stopping either AP or Toby most of the time. Lastly, for those who have been down about Gerhart’s ability to break long runs, yesterday was just a validation of what the kid can do…………….and did in spades at Stanford. He is now comfortable, adjusted and ready to perform.
What other good options do the Vikes really have anyway????
Harvin’s not too shabby himself…
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 19, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Sell Berrian and Tyrell and NEVER look back.
These players are about as worthless as worthless can get.
On offense: The tight ends NEED to be used more, along with Toby, who has improved vastly from last season. More check downs with the TE’s will open opposing D’s a lot more.
On defense: Put in Everson Griffin as a blitzing linebacker more. I hardly even seen him yesterday and when I did, he got a nice sack.
by christian220896 on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
I was reading Seifert and I think he has a solid point
We are a team that is playing in the wrong decade. Everyone is going pass, everyone has threats that can be used to pull off a quick score. Minnesota doesn’t have either really. They want to plod down the field and keep the clock working for them and score on long drawn out drives. the problem is the other team can do it twice as fast and from anywhere on the field. I don’t think I ever really understood how badly it sucks not to have a receiver like I do now. Any kind of threat deep would legitimize our team and make it a contender.
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
Been trying to say that for years!
It doesn’t matter how well you run the ball or control the clock, you need a QB who can throw deep with accuracy (which somebody proved above McNabb can’t do). Watching the first two weeks of football, it is more obvious than ever that we are in a new era of pass pass pass pass. I think we should have traded Peterson (I hate fantasy football, and that’s all he’s good for), and jumped up to grab a better QB (Cam Newtown?). Problem is, nobody would trade for him, because nobody wants RBs (we just can’t seem to figure that out)! Peterson seems to always have great games, but they don’t translate into wins, whereas if the QB has a big game, it usually does. These old-time West Coast dink and dunk QB’s aren’t going to cut it. We are in decline, we need to blow it up and start over, rather than keep pretending we are contenders. The sooner we figure this out, the better.
Also, remember essentially this same team going to the NFC Championship two years ago? Why, because they brought somebody in who expects to WIN every game (not rush for 100 yds and 2 tds and lose). This team has very low expectations, and the culture of losing in MN is obnoxious.
by MontanaVikingsFan on Sep 19, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AD with a solid QB would be sweetness though...
Oh and a couple decent receivers…
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
The Vikes will never trade AP
Not just because he’s a dynamic player but because he’s the heart and face of this team. He’s the most recognized Viking and if they traded him, they’d lose a lot of support from the fan base.
And still not convinced Newton is better than anything we have right now.
if we could trade adrian for cam newton right now, i would definately consider it.
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I would too
only because Peterson is already in his 5th year and playing a position that doesn’t lend itself to longevity like playing QB.
Newton will probably be ending his career 10 years after Peterson ends his.
"Any" kind of deep threat....
Absolutely. I knew we should have signed Sidney… he hasn’t dropped a pass all year!
I agree...
… we are using Peterson as a crutch and making having him into a bonifide disability. Having a great running game, which we do, should just enhance the passing game. We seem to be relying too much on Peterson to carry the offense.
In short, Peterson is having an awesome year, but it isn’t making the passing game more dangerous, which is what it needs to do.
When Robert Smith was in his final year before his (unexpected) retirement, he carried the offense too. He had his best year ever, but as a team we couldn’t exploit his success to be a better all-around offense.
You also use it to put teams away in the 4th quarter. We should be a great team to finish in the 2nd half, but it isn’t working out that way at all.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on Sidney Rice
After seeing what he is pulling with Seattle (aka, the same “trying to avoid surgery” stunt he pulled here in MN), I’m glad to see him gone. If we had paid-out and kept Rice on the team, he still wouldn’t be in the mix. Rice has been nothing but wasted potential and had injury-laden season after injury-laden season. Outside of 2009, he’s been nothing but a roster liability. Based on what I’ve seen of Michael Jenkins, he’s filling in the “big-size, go-up-and-get-the-ball, possession-type receiver” that Rice was supposed to be, and he’s actually got more experience and can stay on the field.
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I agree with that...
…but hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I’m not sure getting rid of Rice was the right move at the time, but as you say he isn’t producing now.
Jenkins fits in beautifully. We haven’t had that guy that can get a TD pass when we are in the red zone. We have Shank and now hopefully Rudolph, but we need that tall guy that can get the fade pass, the big possession guy. Harvin can score, but he’s more a threat in the open field than to catch TDs in the end zone.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Rice will enjoy counting his guaran-damn-teed $$
Glad he’s gone and placing his needs ahead of the team first.
Sadly, it also marks the end of his career. Enough said.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Sep 19, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well in his defense...
… anyone who isn’t a total idiot would look to themselves first and look to the guaranteed $$$ first. I would do it and any of you would too. Anyone who puts “team first” in that league, before getting paid, is a moron.
Like a lot of other guys, Rice puts his health on the line every game, and each and every game could be his last. I don’t think you can blame him for getting injured, a lot of guys do. That’s why when you get in that spot, you have to be sure you get the guaranteed $$$ because otherwise you might get next to nothing.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Adrian Peterson is a moron.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 19, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
huh, this doesn't make sense. what do you mean?
adrian held out for $36million guaranteed.
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Yeah I don't see...
a $100 million contract with $36 million guaranteed as being stupid. He’s making sure he gets paid even if he goes down with a career ending injury. He’s probably sacrificing the total $$$ he might make to have that insurance there. That’s what any reasonable person would do.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I suspect a sluggish energy drink
may be at play… too much sugar induced hydration? Which version of Gatorade is the culprit here? 02 replenish or 03 (refuel)?
How about going back to original gatorade?!
Someone needs to check the energy drink supply and compare samples.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Sep 19, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
Hmmm Ted
I think perhaps you stole the labia/labrum joke from a certain someone at APC. Just a hunch.
Honestly, I didn't
I rarely go over there anymore. If I did, it was pure coincidence.
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No worries
I shared a story last season where a (male) co-worker announced to our whole office that he tore his labia (apparently he was genuinely not familiar with the word), and naturally it drew quite a few responses.
There were a few poachers at the time, but it’s been almost a year, so I suppose I shouldn’t have said anything. Please accept my apologies if I’ve offended you – I certainly didn’t mean to imply anything improper on your part.
So like.... What gives with the Vikings D?
Yes, I know they played lights-out in the first half.
The offense did their job this time, more or less. I looked at the stats and if all we’re talking about are minor details like yards rushing, yards passing, sacks, and time of possession, I would have expected the Vikings to have won this game. True, the offense didn’t pull a good scoring drive in the 2nd half, but they did get an fg. Not sure how that’s all they got because really, they should have kept playing. But yard for yard, minute for minute, they outplayed the Bucs.
So….. how come the D, which played so well in the first half, allowed so many points in the second half? As much as I love to put part of the blame on McNabb and the offense for that, it’s kinda difficult to justify since they’re not on the field at the same time as Josh Freeman. Why is it that the Vikings D allowed so many points to be scored in the 2nd half?
I don’t think they were any more “gassed” than the Tampa Bay offense. Or the San Diego offense, for that matter. Why are they being so outplayed as to allow 24 points in 2 quarters?
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I think its a combo
Pagac and Musgrave being too conservative in the 2nd half.
Pagac seems to give away the middle of the field and literally plays the linebackers 15 yards off the line. Leaves a massive hole for teams to get easier 1st down yardage everytime.
Musgrave isn’t aggresive enough in the 2nd half. Outside of his few opening few drives, it gets pretty easy to call what plays he is going to run.
We’ve let in a huge amount of points in the 2 2nd half’s and we also haven’t nearly scored enough points in the 2nd halfs. This is why it is a combo.
Just not entirely sure how they are going to fix it.
Start the Era then.......
If the Vikes go 0-4, then what the hell would we wait for? Start Ponder and see if his talent for reading and reacting to a defense can make it in the NFL. We won’t find out in practise. You can only find out from live game play if he is the one.
If Ponder looks awful and you are pushing 1-15 with Ponder as your starter (afer going 0-4 with McNabb), then you draft Luck, assuming you didn’t see anything from Ponder that gives you hope. If he shows promise, LT Kahlil looks pretty good to me as well. Image what Peterson would look like with 5 solid O lineman in front of him. It will make Ponder’s life a lot easier to bring up his level of play.
McNabb is okay, but a long term path to nowhere as a team.
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Being that Im only 19, my Viking timeline is fairly short. With that said, I have never EVER had that feeling of confidence that we have our franchise quarterback. Always the same bullshit of Favre, Culpepper, Frerotte, Brad Johnson and McNabb.
If Ponder is our (finally) franchise quarterback, is there a bigger weight to lift off our shoulders? You build a team around the QB, why havent we figured it out yet.
Cant wait for us to ride a guy for 10+ years under center, whether its CP7, Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley. These last two games have had me more frustrated then ever, Id rather have us an 0-2 under a rookie quarterback than under McNabb. Blah….
hopefully Seattle will be done
Trying to get us back for the poison pill now that they shot themselves in the foot with Jackson and Rice
Whaddya mean, you hope they're done?
We still need to send them Tyrell Johnson and Bernard Berrian… Then it will be perfect.
And Nate Burleson
While we still have a productive Hutch, heh heh
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