Stock Market Report, Week 3
Historic. That's what this is, and not in a good way. The Vikings have lead or been tied for all but just under 7:00 of game time this year, yet they are 0-3. In the 91 year history of the NFL, no team has lead by double digits at the half of their first three games and then gone on to lose those games. Until now. And at the time, the 1998 Vikings were the only 15-1 team in NFL history to not win the Super Bowl.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go chew on some glass and wash it back with some hemlock.
Things need to change in Minnesota, and as I stated here earlier this morning, it needs to start at quarterback. When you're oh-fer on your second half third down conversions, have maybe a dozen more passing yards than I do, and your throws are more wild than Charlie Sheen on a manic bender, shit needs to change, yo.
My mood is as foul as the Vikings second half offense. I'm going to keep my cool, but it's time for a change.
A cool change.
I know that it's time for a cool change
Ahhh, much better.
SMR, after the jump.
Blue Chip Stocks:
Jared Allen, DE: I thought that one of the keys to the Vikings getting off to a good start would be Jared Allen having a strong start. Well, I was half right. The Vikings have stumbled badly, but Allen has been one of the most dominating ends in the game. On Sunday, he had 3 sacks and forced a fumble. There are a lot of things you can point at on the Vikings and say 'this is terrible and needs to be fixed' (and I'm looking at you Bernard Berrian), but Jared Allen isn't one of them.
Brian Robison, DE: Let me be the first guy to say I was wr-wr-wr...not correct about Brian Robison stepping up and becoming a full time starter. Robison has been bringing the heat as much as Allen has, and had 2 sacks on Sunday. He's also been good in run support, and I gotta say, I'm seriously diggin' the pony tail.
Marcus Sherels, PR: Sherels is quickly becoming one of my favorite players, and he's on the short list to replace Jim Kleinsasser as the next People's Champion. Sherels makes the most of his opportunities, and he gave the Vikings a big boost with several nice punt returns against Detroit.
Solid Investments:
Chris Cook, CB: We've been hard on Chris Cook here on DN, but he stepped up and made some plays against one of the best players in the NFL. Calvin Johnson can't be stopped, though, and on his first TD Cook had position and played textbook man coverage...and Megatron just made one hell of a play. If that was a sign of things to come for Cook, I'll be pleased, because he'll win more of those battles than he'll lose.
Adrian Peterson, RB: Another good effort wasted--again, and he disappeared completely in the second half--again. I don't know what the Vikes are thinking, but not using AP in the second half is just plain dumb.
Michael Jenkins, WR: Jenkins had 9 catches for 88 yards, and made some nice grabs on McNabb wild pitches. Jenkins is a legitimate move the chains guy, yet like Peterson, was ignored in the second half, for the most part. He's not going to beat anyone deep, but he has good hands, runs solid routes, and went to Ohio State. What isn't to like about him?
Junk Bonds:
Bernard Berrian, WR. And on the other end of the WR spectrum, what is there TO like about Berrian's game? He's just plain terrible. Can we end the Bernard Berrian era, please? You can't look me in the eye and tell me Devin Aromashodu would be worse. Well, you could, but you'd be a pathological liar, and I wouldn't trust you. Cut Berrian, make DA your deep threat, and see if Jaymar Johnson is doing anything and if he might want a job.
Charlie Johnson, LT, and Phil Loadholt, RT: When you find yourself waxing poetically about Bryant McKinnie with your Dad about halfway through the third quarter, you know that the guys on the field are terrible. I've seen guys beat, and I've seen guys overpowered, but I actually saw Phil Loadholt overpowered so bad he was lifted off of his feet. When your highlight is recovering a fumble that was caused by the guy you were supposed to be blocking, you're in way over your head. Maybe it's time to activate DeMarcus Love and see what he can do.
Leslie Frazier and Bill Musgrave: Seriously guys, what the hell? Once is an anomaly, twice is a trend, three times is an NFL record for fucking up 91 years in the making. I mean, I really like you guys, and for 30 minutes you make me believe you are a tandem that's Canton bound. Then you turn around and...do what, exactly? Play to win, don't play not to lose. Get rid of McNabb, don't run Gerhart on 4th and 1 with Adrian Peterson on your team, and Jesus doing jumprope, does Bernard Berrian have incriminating photos of you two? No? THEN CUT HIM.
Buy/Sell:
Buy: Percy Harvin's end around. I like how the Vikings are trying to get Harvin the ball as much as possible in as many different ways as possible. That end around was a good call, and it lead to a 39 yard gain that set the Vikings up for their first touchdown.
Sell: Percy Harvin not being on the field when it mattered. An upset stomach, really? The game is on the line and one of the toughest guys, pound for pound in the NFL, is on the sideline because his stomach hurt? Pardon me, but...THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE. Stunning, just stunning.
Buy: That Chad Greenway's horse collar penalty was horseshit. That was a horribly officiated game, and that was the worst of many bad calls. A horse collar tackle is where the defender grabs the guy by the collar from behind and drags him down. Not from the side and tackles him. Jesus, was that an awful call.
Sell: Kenny Onatolu's personal foul penalty that killed any chance the Vikes had to win the game in regulation. Did you know that Onatolu was a graduate of the Naufahu Tahi School of 'What The Fuck Are You Doing?' Neither did I until yesterday. Did you also know that Onatolu was a distinguished graduate of that school? NEITHER DID I! Until yesterday. The Vikes were out of timeouts, and the chances were slim that they could complete a pass to set Ryan Longwell up for the game winning FG, but we'll never know, will we?
Buy: Kyle Rudolph's hands. Rudolph's made two sensational hands only catches due to McNabb's wildness, and I would like to think that he's going to be a bigger and bigger part of the offense as the season progresses. Some of the softest hands for a guy that size that I can remember.
Sell: Donovan McNabb's accuracy. I am of the opinion that McNabb would have trouble hitting water if he fell out of a boat at this point. He's high, he's low, he's wide...and I don't think he's hit a receiver on a seam or deep route in stride yet this year. Some of it is due to pressure, to be fair, but he's had better protection than we thought he'd have, and even then he has issues finding his receivers. Really, could Christian Ponder be any worse?
Buy: Using Toby Gerhart in the offense more. We saw what Gerhart is capable of last week, and this week, he was surprisingly absent in the gameplan. Why? The kid can make some plays, and the Vikings seem to have a decent weapon that they're not using effectively.
Sell: Using Toby Gerhart on 4th and 1 with the best RB in football in the backfield and the game on the line. So, speaking of not using someone effectively, what the hell was that fourth down call? I like Gerhart, but that wasn't his yard to make. You have the the best running back in the game on your team, and you need one yard. Get that yard, and the outcome of the game is probably different. It's 20-17, your team is desperate, and they need to stay on the field and give their gassed defense a rest. If I was the Vikings, I would have called a timeout and sent Adrian Peterson over to the Lions huddle and said 'fellas, I'm going over Steve Hutchinson for four yards, and there isn't a goddamn thing any of you can do about it.' And then I would've done it. Yeah, didn't really work out that way.
Don Glover Quote Of The Day: My dad is 80, has been a Vikes fan from day 1, and he's seen it all. And every Sunday, he pops off with a one liner that makes me howl with laughter, without fail. So we're adding the Don Glover quote of the day for your reading pleasure. The scene: It was right after McNabb threw the ill-advised ball to Berrian in the end zone on third and short, late in the game, deep in Detroit's end of the field. Instead of getting the first down, they had to kick a game tying field goal:
"What the hell was that? Leslie Frazier is a stupid as Brad Childress. Gonna be a great year."
Well, at 0-3 it's time to face some facts. This team is just good enough to lose close games, and I think Minnesota needs to re-calibrate and start playing for the future. When Brad Childress went all in with Brett Favre, we knew that once Favre was done, there would probably have to be some serious reshuffling of the roster. With the Super Bowl window officially slammed shut last year and any pretense of competing for a playoff spot effectively gone for this season, the Vikings need to start looking to the future and start playing some of the kids, like Ponder, DeMarcus Love, and for the love of God, anyone but Bernard Berrian.
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So I couldn't really tell from this post, but you...DON'T like Bernard Berrian?
I’m with you Ted. Blow it up, see what we have with the young guys, and start planning for the future.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 26, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Seriously
Does Berrian put the fear into anyone on the other side of the ball?
I think they get warm fuzzies instead. Same with McNabb and Frazier. I’m starting to ache for smashmouth football on the offensive side.
I watch the game closely when the defense is on the field but tend to have to go to the toilet when a McNabb drops back to pass.
by liveforadrenaline on Sep 26, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
I didn’t know you guys even had Berrian on your team. He seems to be hated just as much as we hated Bryant Johnson last year.
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Actually..
the only people BB puts fear in is his own QBs.
Even BF didn’t trust him and he would throw to just about anyone.
I wouldn’t trust him either. He leaves his QBs out there, doesn’t fight for balls.
Speed reciever – (speed + heart + hands) = cut in my book.
by midnightwonder on Sep 26, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
They had such a nice article about him in the Pioneer Press on Sunday too..
Looks like it really paid off for him. The only good thing Berrian has ever done in a vikings uniform was hauling in a 99 yard TD pass from old Gus the Ferret (and that was completely blown coverage too)
by Grape Drank on Sep 26, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Berrian isn't a complete threat
without a QB who can throw to him on target. When your QB keeps under-throwing the deep guy, it makes the WR look a lot worse. Now Berrian didn’t do jack last season, but this year I can’t fully blame the guy for not contributing. He’s a home run, a shot down the field. If your QB continues to be off target and over/under throw him then it’s not necessarily Berrian’s fault.
^THIS^
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and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 26, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He's never done anything
Did nothing last year. Did nothing the year before. Did basically nothing in Chicago except for 2-3 big plays a year.
Berrian’s terrible no matter who the QB is.
I actually have to agree with Eric
I’m always trying to stay optimistic with this team(that’s fucking tough), but in this case, I think blowing things up(on a small scale) would actually help this team win. Ponder might not be able to find guys open DOWN the field(neither does McNabb), but he’ll pull the ball down and pick up a few first downs here and there. Also, on some of the short passes, he’ll actually put the ball on his #s instead of behind him(play that sticks out: KSauce won’t catch a ball behind him; hit him in stride and watch him eat babies)
As far as switching QB though, it’s pretty simple: Can’t really blame the coach for making a change. 1-15(i think) on 3rd downs yesterday. CANNOT HAPPEN. We will NEVER win a game with this stat continuing. Penalties hurt because we’re getting 3rd and LONG, but it still doesn’t matter. That cannot continue.
Boot the QB. Boot BB. Somehow get EJ some help in coverage or at least put him man2man on a TE so that he can try to stick with him. It seems he gets manipulated too much by the QB when in zone and is leaving these guys wide open. As far as RBs and TEs butt pounding us in the 2nd half, there needs to be some help shift because it’s not working.
Skol!
That's really it for me as well
Putting the ball in the numbers or leading your receivers. McNabb simply can’t do either. The only one I saw that was completely on target was to AD and he was instantly kidney smashed as soon as he caught it.
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
Interesting stat I stumbled across
1st half: Defense sacks the quarterback on 10.3 percent of all dropbacks for one of the best rates in the league.
2nd half: Defense sacks the quarterback on 4.0 percent of all dropbacks for one of the worst rates in the league.
source
I would imagine that is for two reasons...
1. The other team makes pass protection adjustments.
2. They’re on the field so much in the second half they get worn out.
But really, how credible is the source who has obviously not watched any of the games? I mean seriously, blaming the Viking’s collapse on a lack of a pass rush, perhaps he has an axe to grind or maybe he’s just a big McNabb fan… because really how much blame can you put on J. Allen and Robison for offensive ineptitude.
It makes me wonder if the author even looked at more telling stats such as: the number of second half TD the vikings have scored… or the number of third down conversions they have made. Hard to pin those ones on the defense.
I agree
with the D being on the field way too much likely having an effect. As for the source… he’s a pure numbers cruncher. He’s spending the season in Vegas looking for numbers based insight into gambling.
Loadholt
Seeing him get absolutely blown up by a guy half his size on that one play confused me for a moment and I think I actually yelled out “DAMNIT, MCKINNIE!!!”
I mean, Loadholt was taken OFF HIS FEET. Amazing.
For the rest of the year I’m watching the Vikings for strictly the following people:
Adrian, Percy, Allen, Robison, E.J., Winfield, and The Sauce (who put another amazing bodyslam block on some poor SOB safety at one point).
I’m also really, REALLY, liking Rudolph. I think we’ll be really happy with that pick a couple years down the line.
Griffin seemed to have a bad day, though. :/
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 26, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
K-sauce
He almost had a Cris Carter grab in the first quarter
by Grape Drank on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
very true
why in the hell was he getting so deep on some of those pass attempts? I don’t think I’ve seen that from him in like 6 years. :p
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that amazing
He wasn’t “overpowered,” he was off balance.
That’s not an excuse, mind you, as his job is to maintain position and balance, but it’s my dead grandma could have knocked him over on that play. He was high and stumbling, and the guy just helped him keep going the same way.
I think they need to adjust his pass blocking technique
Maybe instead of him giving ground(which gives the DE speed/momentum), maybe he needs to initiate the contact and come out to the DE. Whatever he is doing is not working.
Skol!
He's honestly not fast enough off the line to get a good pop on the DE.
Actually I’ve seen strong DE’s wait for him to take that first two steps backwards and try and cut between the gap he just made between himself and Hererra.
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You mean like Jared Allen did repeatedly
This is a common pass rush technique.
um yes.. exactly
however Load is playing on the weak side for pass rush, it was more a comment on Load trying to over compensate for his slowness off the ball.
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You can't pass block that way
Especially when you are bigger and slower than the guy you are trying to block. Trying to engage immediately is a recipe for an ole right into the QB.
But that’s a good D line, and everyone gets beat sometimes.
Loved the post, Ted
Gotta disagree with this one bit here…
“Sell: Percy Harvin not being on the field when it mattered. An upset stomach, really? "
You don’t want to mess around with a player’s health. God forbid something serious happens to him by going back on the field and it’s Korey Stringer all over again. The game is just that, a game. Off my soapbox now.
Seriously.
Did Ted see how horrible Percy looked? Looked like a zombie. Not to mention he was barfing it up.
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by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
Percy is a MFing warrior, so if he was sitting out, he probably needed to be out. I would hope.
What we do is what we do.
by WilkesViking on Sep 26, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw his eyes on a close up they did
They were completely bloodshot and completely glazed. I’ve gone into work back when I had a more physical job when I was sick before and it was completely miserable, I can’t even imagine what it must be like playing football and pushing your body that hard when it’s trying to fight off an infection/virus.
Conventional wisdom...
Just another thought… isn’t it a long-standing RULE that if you have a large lead you switch to the ground game (if you have one) to chew up as much clock as possible?
What were they thinking with all those passing plays at the beginning of the second half?
by liveforadrenaline on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
three weeks in a row.
Three. Weeks. In. A. Row. that has happened.
I just… I don’t even…
I feel like I’ve been in some kind of weird VIKINGS hell since the end of that NFC Championship Game vs. NO.
I remember telling the people I was watching the game with when we kicked it off to start the 2nd half: “Fasten your seat-belts. IT’S THE SECOND HALF OF A VIKINGS GAME!”
At the time I just thought I was being cute… but I ended up being correct.
Ugh…
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Sep 26, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I called my son, who couldn’t get the game in his area, and said we were headed down the same path as before.
Even the worst junior high school coach knows to chew the clock up with a lead. When the clock stops on incompletions then that is an error which causes the whole game management to go out the window. Even if we go 3 and out on running plays we are still doing major damage to the clock.
by liveforadrenaline on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you watch the SD game?
They tried to play it conservative and to run the clock out by trying to run it, they got stuffed and everybody complained how it looked like a Chilly offense run, run, pass, punt. They said on KFAN today the percentage of touches AP had in the first half was 35 % the percentage he had in the 2nd half was 31 %, the problem was not enough plays because they couldn’t pick up a first down. If they are stacking the line and daring you to pass and your QB can’t make a completion on third down to keep the drive alive you’re not going to get anywhere.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 26, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
All your points are legitimate. But they open more cans of worms than my extended family needs in a whole summer fishing for panfish.
However, my point is that in the beginning of the second half the time used up was the following:
3rd quarter
1:11 Run, pass, pass, punt
:58 Pass, pass, pass, punt
1:18 Pass, run, pass, punt
Off the field in around a minute instead of 2:25 per down at a minimum if we had used the full clock. We were sure in a hurry to get through our downs, pass on almost every play, and get off the field. No clock management, which would have prevented Detroit from having enough time to get that last field goal in the 4th to tie the game. At least with the run game the clock doesn’t stop on incompletions, which is a liability with McNabb.
by liveforadrenaline on Sep 26, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How about some screens and flares for the RBs?
Keeps the clock running with some extended hand-offs and also keeps the Vikings out of the dreaded run, run, pass, punt pattern.
by CanadianViking on Sep 26, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and slows defenses down on their pass rush because they have to respect it...
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
I understand what you're saying
but if they still don’t pick up any first downs it wouldn’t have made a difference. Detroit kicked the tying field goal with 5:20 left on the clock. From what I count if they had maximized their possesions as you suggest we would have almost 4 minutes more for time of possesion in the second half. So even if they didn’t use a time out, no huddle or the 2 minute warning they still would have had time to at least tie the game and take it to OT.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 29, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
What’s if going to hurt to try some new guys and some new plays or something? Obviously Berrian should go, and the tackles could at the very least use a dose of job scare too. Frazier is really starting to worry me. He just seems to be Brad Childress with a darker complexion.
What’s that old line about doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different outcome?
by Bodysuit Man on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
^This^
"First team in NFL history to lose first 3 games after leading by double digits at halftime"
Only 3 games in, and we´ve already made history!
by AustrianViking on Sep 27, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Lions fan here
I know you guys probably couldn’t care less about what I have to say, but you have a great team given some bad direction. If AP gets the ball in the second half, you win. Your d-line stole our o-lines lunch money. You have KC next week for momentum the weeks following. Anyway, I don’t want you to think us lions took this win lightly. You guys are great fans with the best RB in the league. Just make sure you beat the bears and the pack. With Webb and AP I really think you can do it.
by chaunce on Sep 26, 2011 12:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
+1
For what ever its worth, Im sure you guys get it going next week. You’ll beat the snot out of the Chiefs.
Your front 7 is terrifying. That kid Robinson is a beast. I wont mention #69’s name but he hasnt lost a step. Greenway was a magnificent bastard ( from my pov).
Your coaching staff is sad. As far as Im concerned, they handed us that game. I dont know what your OC gets, but he ought to get 10 years for the 2nd half. Your TEs were just killing our safeties. I thank my Honolulu Blue and Silver lucky stars that your OC failed to notice this.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU are the reason that I don't mind the Lions
Lions fans are normally pretty classy. (yes, we all have our A*holes)
If we really are in the tank this year, I have no problem cheering against the Bears/Packers fans; it’s what I do anyway. What I DON’T normally do, is cheer for another team in our division, but I will this year if the Lions can take out the other “two”. Keep in mind, I’m ALWAYS going to back my Vikings, but you’ll get a little support from me on the Lion’s side of the ball!
If we can’t win the division, then by all means, YOU GUYS DO IT!!!!!
Then we have a deal
We will root for whoever is playing the pack and bears ,but when we meet again it will be business as usual. Just make sure AP jams the rock down their throats. Go vikes. GO LIONS.
by chaunce on Sep 26, 2011 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
good luck to you and yours… but not against us.
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 26, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Spinning whirling , still descending like some spiral sea unending (in the 2nd half)
I’ve been watching football at the same Bar since 1996. Yesterday a woman showed up with full Vikings regalia…..I thought cool….a fellow Vikings fan……she moved into town recently…….about the 2nd quarter she revealed herself……….NUT JOB ! She might run me out of my favorite Bar !
Blow it up and rebuild it.
First, the run up the middle for AD over Hutch should have K-Sauce leading it…
Second Loadholt needs to go, how a man that big can be over powered is beyond me. Toss him into the second string for a game and let Love show us what he’s got. You can always go back to the statue at a later time.
Secondlier- Berrian, this man honestly needs to be shot by a high powered rifle so he’s no longer an issue for the team.. I’m not talking killing him just a nice winging, and maybe a horse head on his pillow for when he wakes up.. Maybe yellow cleats with his bloody feet still in them instead.. :p
Third – We have got to stop pulling big penalties.
Fourth – Infin – What the hell are we doing? I was actually watching the game with a guy from PoD at BW’s and he was pretty sure at half time the Lions were doomed. I just told him that I wanted the Vikes to win but that chances are we’re not. WITH A 20 POINT LEAD! On the other hand the guy was pretty cool.
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
I know it's a joke
but let’s lay off the shooting people thing.
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the horse head on his pillow
might still be ok…no.. yeah… maybe over the top. perhaps just a badger head on his pillow…. lol
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 26, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I played D-2 college football as a D-Lineman and I am only 6'1 at the most and I played against MUCH bigger O-Linemen
I had great get off and leg drive. Getting under some much bigger guys and running my legs, it didn’t matter how big the other guy was if I got under his pads from the get go which is what happened to Loadholt. Not saying it is excusable AT ALL but it is possible when you are slow to get off the ball, EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW THE SNAP!
And yes Ted, Ponder COULD be worse. As bad as McNabb has been, he hasn’t been turn over prone.
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by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Are Berrian
and Bryant Johnson cousins perhaps?
Someone is alive today simply because I can't afford a hitman.
by Justan Oldfart on Sep 26, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Historic low...
Means that this is worse than any three games that Chilly ever coached. Right?
Just sayin…
I am not saying we need a new head coach – but I do think this is a coaching issue, more than a player issue.
To be sure, things need to change. McNabb’s accuracy in the 2nd half (and much of the first) was terrible. Except when throwing to Jenkins. Why is that? Why are McNabb and the other receivers not on the same page? Fix that and we have three different results…
The worst part is if you are up by 20 points, run that damn clock out, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOT AP IN THE BACKFIELD!
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and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 26, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference in the way the two teams
handled their RB was interesting. AP was stuffed behind the line in a couple of carries in the second half. I guess its why frazier went away from the run game. Javid best was constantly stuffed behind the line throughout the whole game but the lions never waivered. he got the ball on first down whether he made any yds or not. I would have thought having the best rb in the nfl that the vikings would be the one to feed AP the ball regardless of the yds gained.
The thing is, if they got stuffed on 1st down, they had a decent QB to try to get 10 yards
on 2nd and 3rd down. The Vikings do not have that luxury.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
rofl
McNabb would have trouble hitting water if he fell out of a boat at this point
nice.
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 26, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
WTF?
I have not been able to watch any of the Viking games this year but the statistics from each game are astounding. Is it possible that Viking teams since 1961 have accumulated nearly every negative statistical record in NFL history? The have allowed 99.5 yard rushing touchdowns (Dorsett in 1980’s). The Vikings were the first to lose four Superbowls; there are many other infamous Viking records but this takes the cake!
What happens in the locker room at half time? Does the coaching staff take hallucinatory drugs and decide to do the opposite of what works in the first half?
I will probably see few Viking games this year again but it is better to agonize over the box score than watch this pitiful second half play.
Buy = Balls to Stafford's Nutz
UndaDawg over at POD posted this to try to cheer us up… i thought i would share it here:
There was that one penalty that resulted in our C Dominic Raiola snapping the ball early to get the flag. Stafford wasn’t ready and…

as Madden would say. BOOM!!!
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
OK that was good.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 26, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
thats...
what I said. :-D
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 26, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If it had been Sullivan
it would have hit him in the ankle
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 29, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen
Light years better than our regular jerseys.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 26, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Best throwbacks in the league
I noticed that yesterday too! When I was watching the game there were times I thought it was 1975 again (until the 2nd half started anyway). Vikes have the best throwbacks in the league – and it’s not close. I wish they still wore them every game.
Gerhart
I don’t see it. And even when, like last week, he gets some big plays, I can’t help but think, “AP would have finished that play in the end zone.”
He’s the worst possible of combinations for an NFL back: big, slow, and goes down easy. He could overcome the first two if he was a bull who refused to go down, but as the 4th down play showed again, that just isn’t who he is.
Don't blame Gerhart for that play
Toby Gerhart ran where he was told to run, and Detroit had the hole stuffed. Why run it straight into Detroit’s strongest point with blockers that can’t drive them off the ball? Badly conceived play. Blaming Gerhart for that stuffed run is not logical. He was the up back, with no room to maneuver. It was a quick opener, no cut back options. Detroit saw it coming and stuffed it.
Later they said the play worked really well in practice. Keep in mind, you’re practicing against a defensive front that isn’t as good as Detroit’s. In the forth quarter, you’re supposed to run plays that worked earlier in the game, not a surprise gift to Detroit’s defense.
It's not just that run
He goes down on the first contact consistently. Also, a good NFL back doesn’t just run “where he’s told.”
But I agree, it was a terribly conceived play, for the reasons you say.
Why not have K-Sauce in there to help open that thing up a bit?
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I like gerhart
but on 4th and one, put in your POWER back…you know, the guy that you just paid $100 million for this reason.
exactly
And despite being bigger, looking like a power back, and having the “speed” of a power back, Gerhart isn’t.
Gerhart
Is Peterson’s size, Peterson’s speed, and follows his blockers and hits the gaps they create. Generally, when handing off to Gerhart, you can guarantee 3 yds, whereas Peterson runs go stuffed,stuffed,stuffed,massive gain,stuffed.
I’m honestly more surprised that Gerhart doesn’t have a ton of carries designed for the offense to just smash into the face of the defense. Wear them down first, then put in your $100 million RB.
That's just not true
I hear fans say that a lot, that AP is basically the second coming of Robert Smith (getting stuffed a lot and then breaking a long one to land at a decent average) but I don’t see it. I see AP’s worst plays being basically the typical Gerhart run — contact near the line and falling forward for 2-3 yards.
The difference is that the median AP run is contact near the line, breaking a tackle or two and picking up 4-6 yards. And of course there is the long run.
But I’d love to see some statistical analysis.
Statistical analysis:
Each number represents a play of the specified type going for that number of yards.
Another note is that some of these plays were called back by penalties, but I’m leaving them in to get a good feel for the norm. They also boost AP’s stats.
Strangely, my receiving stats for AP disagree with those on ESPN, but I’m fairly sure mine are accurate, as I went through the play by play for all 3 games this year.
AP
Rushing: 14, 3, -2, 2, 1, 2, 5, 3, 46, 3, 4, 5, 7, 5, 2, -2, 11, 10, 2, -1, 12, 2, 4, 1, 0, 12, 4, 0, 1, 19, 9, 1, 6, 5, -3, 9, 5, 4, -1, 7, 4, 3, 1, 4, 43, 0, 7, 6, 1, -1, 29, 1, 6, 1, 6, 0, 2, 6, 14, -1, 2, -4
Passing: 4, 2, 3, 10, 3, 7, 3
Carries: 62
Total yards: 346
Rushing average: 5.58 yds/carry
Rushing average w/o long runs: 3.86 yds/carry
Median rush: 3.5 yds
Catches: 7
Yards: 32
Average: 4.57
Gerhart
Rushing: 12, 4, 31, 5, 3, 2, 0
Passing: 42, 5
Carries: 7
Total Yards: 57
Rushing average: 8.14 yds/carry
Rushing average w/o long runs: 4.33 yds/carry
Median rush: 4 yds
Catches: 2
Yards: 47
Average: 23.5
Another thing to note
is that the most commonly occurring run for Peterson thus far is carrying the ball for 1 yard, with 8 runs going that far.
Gerhart's sample size is too small to make a comparison
But that’s interesting
Considering our two previous 4th quarter collapses
I think they SERIOUSLY needed to go for the 3 points there. No guts no glory they say, but jeez. (to be honest I was calling for them to go for at the time, but considering the amount of second half 3 and outs we’ve managed, take the easy points)
I'd like to see them
run the wishbone formation once in a while. With two quality backs it would give us some flexibility—
More on 2 rb wishbone
The contrast with pro-style football is stark; instead of the offense being outnumbered 11-10 on running plays (the quarterback isn’t contributing anything but a turkey imitation), if it’s done right the DEFENSE is effectively being outnumbered something like 12 or 13 – 11. Note that when Mildren went to throw the ball there was never more than one defender anywhere near the receiver since you simply couldn’t have a zone pass defense when you had to have nine or ten guys right up on the line to have any prayer of stopping that ground game.
e.g. Oklahoma – Colorado 1971 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AxulqVSWf0&feature=related
Did you see
Jim Schwartz smiling after they stopped Toby on that 4th and 1? We were badly outcoached on that play… and that raises serious questions about our coaching staff.
"First team in NFL history to lose first 3 games after leading by double digits at halftime"
Only 3 games in, and we´ve already made history!
by AustrianViking on Sep 27, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Gerhart is a change of pace
RB’s have different run styles and a lot of run blocking involves timing. Gerhart is a way to throw off the defenses timing and maybe allow the O-Line to execute blocks in better sync with Gerharts run speed and style.
Also
At the time of drafting him, we needed to replace a 3rd down blocking/receiving RB in Chester Taylor and Gerhart was supposed to fill that role. Now we’re in a different offensive scheme and I’m not sure what Gerhart’s role is right now. But in a league where RB’s get hurt all the time, it’s not a bad idea to have a guy like gerhart.
It's not a bad idea to have a good backup
Unfortunately, he hasn’t turned into one. Nor has he developed into a third down back. Unfortunately, he looks like a draft bust to me.
little harsh the man had a solid game last week
and many were clamoring that he needed to be on the field more.
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when the play works, he can execute it
Last week he got two big plays that were very well blocked and where he had room to run. He’s not so terrible that he can’t get yards in those situations.
But he can’t get anything when things aren’t perfect, and he doesn’t get as much out of the well executed plays as AP would if they ran the same play for him.
Granted, few guys in the league do, but for the Vikes, every carry/screen to Gerhart is a carry/screen not to AP.
He’s an okay backup, and certainly would be a player you would be happy with if you drafted him in the four round or later. He isn’t a guy we should hope for more of.
Now you're losing it
Gerhart is not slow. He ran a 4.4 before the draft. San Fran’s GM said his time was faster than Frank Gore’s.
Need to blow up the whole Oline
Johnson is junk.
Hutch is great. Probably the only anchor for a couple years till he retires.
Sully is junk.
Herrera is passable but not great and creeping up in years
Loadholt is junk.
Start Love at LT, move Johnson to RT, Get Fusco in there at C and if we end up in the top 5 draft picks, trade down, pick up extra picks and load up on Oline and some real speed WRs.
Who is the best OL in the draft?
Because we should take him unless we happen to fail our way into Luck.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I dont even know
I didn’t think that it would be this bad this early in the season. Read some of Mark’s posts. He’s all about the college prospects.
Matt Kalil
LT at USC.
Just watched them again Saturday, and he was a monster. There was one replay where he ran out in space and knocked a defender down as the running back turned the corner. He hit the guy so hard the defender had to leave the game. Awesome. Projected as a top 5 pick in 2012, a guy who could be a yearly Pro-bowler who starts on day 1 and just stays there for 10+ years. That’s a lot of bang for your buck on a single pick.
Kalil looked great
Fantastic footwork, huge size, incredible speed for a guy that big. He’ll go top five, no doubt. You build an offense around a guy like that.
The name rang a bell
And he’s the younger brother of Carolina Panthers center Ryan Kalil. If he plays half as good as his brother (who went to the pro bowl last year), he’ll be an upgrade over anything we have now.
to slow to be anything but a statue.
he is consistently the slowest person off the line.
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Don't forget about Brandon Fusco
I think it’s time to either cut or trade sully and play Fusco to see what he’s got.
Pass rush in 2nd half
I saw them rushing with 3 guys in the second half. I’m still scratching my head on this strategy…
I saw Jared go back in coverage a bit yesterday as well
Didn’t make a lot of sense until I saw them run a delayed blitz with him that flattened Stafford. Was a solid game plan.
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They had Griffin standing up
And rushing sometimes then sometimes he would drop, it actually looks like it will be a good package as Griffin gets better at playing standing up and in coverage.
by Simply_Greatness on Sep 26, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
New Viking helmet logo
Think this says it all.
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McNabb can't play two halves of football anymore
Donovan was seriously gassed half way through the second quarter. His style of QB requires constant movement, semi-scrambling the whole game. At 34, McNabb can’t move like his young self for two halves. Therefore, the Vikings should play McNabb in the first half, then switch to Ponder and/or Webb in the second half.
Sure, it doesn’t work for winning championships, but this team ain’t gonna do that anyway, so the best thing the Vikings can do is put Ponder and Webb out there in the second half to learn their trade. This way, McNabb can pitch half the game, hold nothing back, then help coach and call plays for the kids, standing ready to fill in if needed.
Musgrave said he would form the offense around what his players can do. If he’s serious, this is the best way to use his quarterbacks.
The most frustrating part in all of this
Is that we wait around all off-season for football to finally start- We discuss the draft, our quarterback situation, the new coaching staff – almost every day. Three dangs weeks into this and we are for all practical purposes out of playoff contention. I’m not trying to blame everything on McNabb but he is clearly a former shell of himself. I thought that he and Shanahan just simply has a falling out there in Washington, but he must of known what is becoming fairly evident to Viking nation, and I think we need try something different post haste.
totally agree with this
his style of play has never been about accuracy, in my opinion. It’s been about mobility and buying time to find open receivers (or dumping it to Westbrook and watching him get about 23992098 YAC). Now that he’s less mobile, well…
and can't throw well enough for his receivers to get YAC... :p
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Ted, you pretty much covered it all
Thank you. I can give my angst a temporary reprieve long enough for dinner to stay down.
I would like to add this; when you see that McNabb has been ineffective in the 2nd half, in 2 games, why not throw the new kids on the block into the game? You can’t freaking do any worse than you would with McNabb. The man’s getting the job done, more or less, in the first half, and if that’s all he’s good for, GREAT. FINE. He’s what we got, work with, and get Ponder and Webb each a shot for a quarter. They need the playing time anyway.
Let’s see now… instead of McNabb, we could have had Hasselbeck. He threw for more than 300 yards this week. Instead of Berrian, we could have had LaDanian Tomlinson, he CAUGHT for more than 100 yards this week (with an avg of 23 yrds/catch). This sort of thing goes back to the Front Office, and Speilman’s ability to judge talent.
Lots of blame to go around, but ultimately, I believe it comes down to failed management. We have the talent to win these games, against some of the best teams the NFL has to offer, but the job isn’t getting done. Head Coach, and Offensive Coordinator, and yes, Personnel Director, should all be called in by Wilf for a little… “pep talk”
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
by DCPurple on Sep 26, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't throw the towel in yet...
Look I’m getting so sick of hearing all this negitive BS about the Vikings 0-3 start and blaming this guy and that guy….Grow up and get a life…not once is there a congratulations
to the Detroit Lions for a great come back. Detroit Lions fans have endured years and years of losing seasons(Including that 0 and15 season a few years ago) and now they come into our dome where they haven’t won in years and all we can say is how we handed it to them. Come on did you see that play in overtime Megatrons Willie Mays catch how do you defense that. The perfect throw and catch. Give these guy’s there credit. They we’re down by 20 and they came out after the half and executed and fought us tooth and nail. Stop pointing fingers and blaming our guys like we just handed it to them. That’s insulting to both teams.They have a good defense and they showed up in the second half and stopped us. Both teams fought hard and the game went to overtime they got the coin toss and we’re able to score and thats just how the ball bounces sometimes. Sure there we’re plenty of mistakes on both sides and yeah the Vikes gave up a big lead but that happens every week in the NFL that’s why they play four quarters and not just two..So please stop whinning after three games and be good sportsmen after all we do represent the Vikings fan base lets not act like Packer fans…Congratulate the other team on there victory and see positives in our team not just the negative. Mcnabb hasn’t been awful he did lead us down the field to tie the game and send it into overtime. I do think this offense will get better, The talent is there they just need to get there timing and cohesiveness and unfortunitly when you have a new OC and a new Quarterback you can’t expect them to score 30 points a game right out of the gate. but 20’s a good start…Keep the Faith Purple
people…
Sorry, Dr Fix, but...
yes, we DID hand the Lions the game on a silver platter, just like we did with the Chargers and the Bucs. We should be 3-0, now, and it’s because we can’t play more than the first half. And no, both teams certainly did not fight hard. Only the Lions, along with the Chargers and Bucs who seem to know how to play 60 minutes of football. We certainly cannot. Yes, the efforts of the teams that beat us were a key factor, just like it was our lack of effort in the second half of our first three games, which has given us the dubious distinction of being the only team in NFL history to blow two digit leads in their first three consecutive games. How can you possibly say with a straight face that we have fought hard in all our games? We are the laughingstock of the NFL, and it’s just going to get worse as the season progresses. For me, it’s now no use to listen to a Viking game and marvel at what a lead we have over another team because I know we will just blow it in the end. The Minnesota Chokers, that’s what we are now, let’s face it, gang. At this rate, we’ll be damn lucky to reach 6-10 this year. I predict more like 3-13, mass firings including the head coach wannabe Frasier, and because of the awful season, no reason to build a new stadium for such a terrible team. ’Nuff said.
by TexVike55 on Sep 26, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, your right Tex we should be 3-0 but shoulda,woulda,coulda… The fact is that it’s only the third game of the season and my point was I think it’s a little early to start in with firing the coach and calling your team the chokers and the laughing stock….Yeah we blew pretty good leads the last three games but we didn’t get blown out. You might be right with 3-13 or 6-10 but I believe there’s enough talent on this team to right the ship and suprise a lot of you fair weather fans. Remember there’s no rule that says a fan can’t change teams. The packers are 3-0 maybe you’d look better in green and yellow and when the vikings start winning again you can come back and start rooting for them again. I’m with them through thick and thin…Go Vikes!!!
If this was the first time we lost a huge lead in the second half I would be like
Wow those Lions sure pulled it out! But alas it ain’t.
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Pretty sure
If we can manage about a 42 point half time lead next week, we have a decent shot at victory.
well.....
the Lions didn’t really do much different in the 2nd half than the first half. Their speed/play calling/defense, etc. was tweeked, but it wasn’t completely different. Unlike MN. There was nothing the Lions did superbly in the 2nd half that they didn’t do good in the first half. The big difference was the play/coaching of the Vikings.
Ok, Kudos for the Lions not giving up….but you can’t honestly have a straight face when you say stuff like this. Seriously, the only common denominator in the Vikings 3 (count them, 1, 2, 3) 2nd half meltdowns have been the Vikings. Seems so obvious, right, but apparently you don’t get it….because you seem to think that the marginal tinkering by the Lions should have caused the complete meltdown by the Vikes…..I suppose another way to put this would be just trying to catch a ball….the person throwing you the ball makes adjustments and you, as the catcher does as well….if the thrower adjusts an inch and you adjust a mile, guess what, it ain’t the pitcher’s fault.
The Lions Did Good
I think everyone acknowledged that.
But that doesn’t mean that we don’t want our team to do BETTER. It’s too bad that you have an issue with that because it’s not going to change the fact that we’re looking for the causes of the Vikings’ failure to finish the game and we’re not going to stop until the problem is fixed.
Megatron’s catch was awesome. That’s why he’s Megatron. That’s why there’s no point in capping on Griff for failing to be able to break it up, it wasn’t possible and Griff did the best he could. This too had been repeatedly said, which you’d’ve seen if you had been reading all the comments, or even the postings.
Our guys didn’t “hand it to them”, our guys failed to perform up to their full abilities in the second half. The question is, WHY? It is the question drives us, Neo Fix. If they had, the Lions wouldn’t have won. Stage a single drive down to the red zone in the second half of the game, and the Lions wouldn’t have won. Win the coin toss at OT, and there’s a good chance the Vikings would have won instead. Lots of opportunities, most of them were missed.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Webb before Ponder NOW and more Gerhart.....
less OBVIOUS blitz packages and more blitzing off the edge with Winfield. Harvin needs to man up and get in the fking game. Play NOW, rest LATER.
Corners playing well, D line playing well, linebackers need to cover the short crap more.
More Gerhart
and I’d actually like to see Booker a little more on 3rd downs too.
by Joshua Kelting on Sep 26, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point about Booker on 3rd downs.
How many times have we seen a check-down pass to Peterson, Gerhart, or Booker this year? All three of these RBs are solid at catching the ball and should be able to move the chains on some of the 3rd and middling distances that the Vikings have been struggling with in every 2nd half. It doesn’t make sense that a team that struggles so much in the passing game isn’t using more screens and flares to the RBs to help the QB protection issues and dismal passing game.
So far this year Peterson has 8 catches for 46 yards and Gerhart has 2 catches for 47 yards. Booker has yet to receive a touch on offense in either the passing game or running game all season. Obviously, the team has more problems than just this on offense, but for a team that is struggling in pass protection and at completing long passes you would think that 3 talented RBs would have more than 10 combined catches through 3 games. I guess this is just another criticism to add to the growing list of problems with Musgrave’s play-calling. For some reason Musgrave’s preseason play-calling was more creative than the largely vanilla calls we’ve seen in the first three games that count.
by CanadianViking on Sep 26, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
How often have the Vikings been burned on a screen pass this year,
yet we fail to return the favor. We have great backs, why not try a screen once in a while.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
Yeah, I don't get it.
Generally teams with bad O-lines run a lot of screens and flares to their RBs to help out their passing game. Crap, it’s the reason why I have Matt Forte in two PPR fantasy football leagues. He might get zero rushing yards but with the Bears offensive line he’s guaranteed to catch 8-10 passes a game.
by CanadianViking on Sep 26, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many three and outs....
in the second half reduces the number of touches. I don’t have the numbers, but I would bet the Chargers, Bucs and Lions had far more touches in the second halves than the Vikings, making it easier for them to execute any adjustments that they made at half.
Assuming the Vikings did make adjustments, and I have not heard any coach say that they did not, it comes down to execution, which I lay squarely at the feet of McNabb (like many of his passes, at the feet.)
Valid point, but I still think our struggling passing game should be getting more than 3 catches per game out of our RBs.
What happened to the plan in pre-season that involved a focus on passing heavily to the backs and TE’s to supplement our lack of playmaking at the WR position and providing help for the weak offensive line? I thought Musgrave’s offensive philosophy was to use our player’s strengths and avoid our weaknesses. One of McNabb’s strengths has always been hitting RBs and TEs and in the preseason we saw a lot of this. I’m having a problem understanding Musgrave’s second half play-calling so far this year.
by CanadianViking on Sep 26, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So true......
I bet if we look back at McNabb’s numbers with Philly, a boatload of yardage in his statistics was a result of Westbrook running after the catch. I can’t remember McNabb lighting it up through the air with receivers. It could explain the friction he and Owens had leading up to their split. He needs to sit, but, sadly, he won’t. At least next Sunday.
Yup, outside of the brief stints with TO and Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin, McNabb has never really had big success with WRs.
He has had great success with TEs and RBs in the passing game throughout his career which makes the lack of targets for our TE and RB group baffling to me.
by CanadianViking on Sep 26, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Not disguising the blitzes......
which leaves corners one on one, and backs free to roam the edges, especially when the blitz doesn’t get to the QB. Winfield off the edge against Philly last year was effective.
The Vikings have picked up yards with screens to AP and Gerhart, but not too many. In the second half of games this season, they have played almost a Tampa 2 Offense, playing not to lose. This would not include wide open plays, such as screen passes.
Playing not to lose in the NFL
has proven to be ineffective time and time again for as long as I can remember in the NFL – With the leads that we have had the " go for the kill" instinct (pardon the phraseology) is how you win. You’re very correct about the mental toughness comments you have made, and sadly, we seem to lack it.
How about this...
.. Instead of putting the blame on leslie frazier and bill musgrove why dont we try AP or McNabb.. Where is our team captain? Do you really think after three times tom brady wouldn’t say something in the locker room, hell im sure even ocho cinco would say something. If the coaches can’t light a fire under this team maybe it’s about time AP or Jared Allen stand up and say something,or at least a players only meeting.
Ted, please clean up the language
Some of us have sons (or daughters) on this site whom we are trying to teach to have clean mouths. I know you are steamed and really want to make some (well taken) points, but aren’t there other ways to do it?
I mean, none of us really has to prove our manhood here, do we? And being the creative writer that you are, I’m convinced your piece can be just as captivating and sharp with a different selection of words at certain points.
Thanks for reading and thoughtfully considering this.
A ’Bama Viking
I apologize, I know I have been a bit less careful with my verbage on this site lately as well.
my son is however a Seahawks fan… God help me turn him to the light.
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