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What is the problem with the Vikings?

I suppose I may as well throw in my .02 cents too.

It all starts up front IMHO.  Let us take a look at the runs AP has had shall we?

San Diego
1st Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 11:38
1st and 10 at MIN 20    A.Peterson left end to MIN 34 for 14 yards (T.Spikes, A.Garay).
1st and 10 at MIN 34    A.Peterson right end to MIN 37 for 3 yards (Q.Jammer, T.Spikes).
2nd and 7 at MIN 37    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 35 for -2 yards (C.Liuget, B.Sanders).

Minnesota Vikings at 5:30
1st and 10 at MIN 8    A.Peterson left end to MIN 10 for 2 yards (D.Butler, S.Phillips).
1st and 5 at MIN 32    A.Peterson right end to MIN 33 for 1 yard (T.Spikes, B.Sanders).
1st and 10 at SD 37    A.Peterson right end to SD 35 for 2 yards (Q.Jammer, T.Spikes).
2nd and 8 at SD 35    A.Peterson up the middle to SD 30 for 5 yards (A.Garay, T.Spikes).

2nd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 5:30 (continuing drive from first quarter)
2nd and 9 at SD 18    A.Peterson up the middle to SD 15 for 3 yards (T.Spikes, A.Garay).

Minnesota Vikings at 11:12
2nd and 8 at SD 49    A.Peterson up the middle to SD 3 for 46 yards (B.Sanders).

Minnesota Vikings at 3:07
not involved

3rd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 10:43
1st and 10 at MIN 20    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 23 for 3 yards (E.Weddle, T.Spikes).
1st and 10 at MIN 33    A.Peterson right end to MIN 37 for 4 yards (B.Sanders, C.Liuget).

Minnesota Vikings at 2:34
1st and 10 at MIN 31    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 36 for 5 yards (T.LaBoy).
2nd and 5 at MIN 36    A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 43 for 7 yards (S.Phillips).

4th Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 10:05
1st and 10 at MIN 28    A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 33 for 5 yards (D.Butler).
2nd and 5 at MIN 33    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 35 for 2 yards (S.Phillips, B.Sanders).

Minnesota Vikings at 5:01
2nd and 8 at MIN 22    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 20 for -2 yards (D.Butler, T.Spikes).

Total is 16 carries for 98 yards with one run accouting for 46 of those yards leaving 15 carries for 52 yards. He had 6 runs for 2 yards or less.  He had another 3 runs for 3 yards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYWvvqbytVI
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Tampa Bay
1st Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 13:00
1st and 10 at MIN 36    A.Peterson right guard to MIN 47 for 11 yards (S.Jones).          
1st and 10 at MIN 47    A.Peterson right end pushed ob at TB 43 for 10 yards (S.Jones).

Minnesota Vikings at 6:43
1st and 10 at MIN 10    A.Peterson left guard to MIN 12 for 2 yards (R.Miller; M.Foster).
1st and 10 at MIN 26    A.Peterson left end to MIN 25 for -1 yards (R.Barber).          
2nd and 11 at MIN 25    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 37 for 12 yards (M.Foster).
1st and 7 at TB 7    A.Peterson up the middle to TB 5 for 2 yards (R.Miller).    
2nd and 5 at TB 5    A.Peterson up the middle to TB 1 for 4 yards (Q.Black).
3rd and 1 at TB 1    A.Peterson up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

2nd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 12:51
1st and 10 at MIN 24    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 24 for no gain (M.Foster). FUMBLES (M.Foster), recovered by MIN-A.Herrera at MIN 21.       
2nd and 13 at MIN 21    A.Peterson right guard to MIN 33 for 12 yards (R.Barber).
1st and 10 at MIN 49    A.Peterson up the middle to TB 47 for 4 yards (M.Bennett; S.Jones).
1st and 6 at TB 6    A.Peterson right guard to TB 6 for no gain (Q.Black).

Minnesota Vikings at 3:39
1st and 10 at MIN 40    A.Peterson right end to MIN 41 for 1 yard (G.Hayes).
2nd and 9 at MIN 41    A.Peterson left guard to TB 40 for 19 yards (M.Foster).
2nd and 9 at TB 9    A.Peterson right guard for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

3rd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 15:00
1st and 10 at MIN 20    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 21 for 1 yard (G.McCoy).          
2nd and 9 at MIN 21    A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 27 for 6 yards (G.McCoy).
3rd and 18 at MIN 12    (Shotgun) A.Peterson right guard to MIN 17 for 5 yards (M.Bennett).

Minnesota Vikings at 7:38
1st and 10 at MIN 47    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 44 for -3 yards (G.Hayes).

4th Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 0:29 (of third quarter)
1st and 10 at MIN 31    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 40 for 9 yards (C.Grimm).          
2nd and 1 at MIN 40    A.Peterson left guard to MIN 45 for 5 yards (R.Miller).
1st and 10 at TB 20    A.Peterson up the middle to TB 16 for 4 yards (Team).
1st and 10 at TB 10    A.Peterson up the middle to TB 11 for -1 yards (B.Price).

Minnesota Vikings at 6:39
2nd and 4 at MIN 15    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 22 for 7 yards (G.McCoy).
2nd and 10 at MIN 22    A.Peterson right end to MIN 26 for 4 yards (R.Miller).

Total is 25 carries for 125 yards. He had 9 runs for 2 yards or less not including his touchdown run.  This game was not too bad but there is a clear decline in the second half.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_G-xTXqdg
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Detroit
1st Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 15:00
1st and 10 at MIN 23    A.Peterson left guard to MIN 26 for 3 yards (E.Wright).
3rd and 1 at MIN 32    A.Peterson right guard to MIN 33 for 1 yard (N.Suh).          
1st and 10 at MIN 33    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 37 for 4 yards (K.Vanden Bosch).          
2nd and 6 at MIN 37    A.Peterson right tackle to DET 20 for 43 yards (C.Houston).
2nd and 14 at DET 14    (Shotgun) A.Peterson right guard to DET 14 for no gain (J.Durant).

Minnesota Vikings at 7:55
1st and 10 at DET 42    A.Peterson up the middle to DET 35 for 7 yards (D.Levy).
1st and 10 at DET 20    A.Peterson right end to DET 14 for 6 yards (L.Delmas).

Minnesota Vikings at 3:26
1st and 10 at MIN 42    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 43 for 1 yard (C.Avril).          
2nd and 9 at MIN 43    A.Peterson right end to MIN 42 for -1 yards (S.Tulloch). PENALTY on MIN-S.Hutchinson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced

at MIN 43 - No Play.
1st and 10 at DET 48    A.Peterson up the middle pushed ob at DET 19 for 29 yards (C.Houston; D.Levy). Penalty on MIN-V.Shiancoe, Offensive Holding, offsetting, enforced at DET 48 - No Play. Penalty on DET-Sa.Hill, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting.

2nd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 9:05
1st and 10 at DET 26    A.Peterson up the middle to DET 25 for 1 yard (S.Tulloch).
2nd and 4 at DET 6    A.Peterson left end for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Minnesota Vikings at 3:47
1st and 10 at MIN 4    A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 5 for 1 yard (J.Durant).

Minnesota Vikings at 0:50
1st and 10 at DET 13    (Shotgun) A.Peterson up the middle to DET 13 for no gain (N.Suh).

3rd Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 12:23
1st and 10 at MIN 20    A.Peterson left guard to MIN 22 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch).

Minnesota Vikings at 9:22
not involved

 

Minnesota Vikings at 3:14
2nd and 7 at MIN 23    A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 29 for 6 yards (Sa.Hill).

4th Quarter Play by Play
Minnesota Vikings at 14:55
1st and 10 at DET 37    A.Peterson right end to DET 23 for 14 yards (S.Tulloch). PENALTY on MIN-M.Jenkins, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at

DET 37 - No Play.
1st and 10 at DET 26    A.Peterson up the middle to DET 27 for -1 yards (N.Suh; L.Delmas).          
2nd and 11 at DET 27    A.Peterson left end to DET 25 for 2 yards (D.Levy).

Minnesota Vikings at 5:20
2nd and 10 at MIN 18    A.Peterson left end to MIN 14 for -4 yards (J.Durant).

Minnesota Vikings at 2:30
1st and 10 at MIN 17    (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short middle to A.Peterson to MIN 24 for 7 yards (B.McDonald; D.Levy). Penalty on DET-C.Williams,

Defensive Offside, declined.
1st and 10 at MIN 41    (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short left to A.Peterson to MIN 44 for 3 yards (E.Wright).

Total is 17 carries for 78 yards with one run accouting for 43 of those yards leaving 16 carries for 35 yards.  He had 9 runs for 2 yards or less.  He had another 2 runs for 3 yards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o12tzXs2j5M
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Through the first 3 games he has 58 carries for 301 yards which is an average of 5.19 per carry.  Not bad at all.

But if you look closer he has two runs for 89 yards which is mainly all due to his ability.  So that brings his numbers down to 56 carries for 212 yards which is an average of 3.79 per carry.

If you drill down further you will see that he has had 24 carries for 2 yards or less for a total of 7 whole yards over the first 3 games.  He has 10 carries that gained zero yards or lost yards which is 17% of his carries.

In total he gains two yards or less 41% of the time he touches the ball and this is spread out over the entire game (it is not just in the second half).  This cannot be good.

I will also go further and say that if not for his ability to make jump cuts or just make people flat out miss then the numbers would be worse.  Watch the videos and notice how many plays where he is making people miss before he gets to the line of scrimmage.

Detroit was blowing up the line on several plays and there were at least two plays where they almost tackled AP when he took the freaking handoff. 

When you pay a player 36 mil guaranteed then you want to get maximum production from that player. But the line is just not getting the job done on a consistent enough basis.  I realize that there are going to be plays where a lineman is going to get beat because there are some good defensive players in the league.  But if AP is getting two yards or less on 41% of his carries then they are wasting money and his abilities.

I suppose the team does realize this is a situation that needs to be addresses since they brought in Max Starks for a look.  But if they do not add him or another player then what can they do?

IMHO the main problem in the second half of the games is the offensive line.  They are are just not winning enough of the battles as the game goes on.  They seem to come out fired up and are making plays but as the game settles down, the talent starts to speak for itself. 

I think there are several factors at play here that are causing the second half ineffectiveness from the offense.  Obviously teams are putting more  men in the box to stop AP and dare the Vikings to beat them with the pass.  This brings us to protection issues in the pass game as well and the ability of the wide receivers to create some separation (i.e. get open enough and quickly) in order for a pass to be even attempted. 

Even if we have all of the above we have another issue with McNabb firing too many passes to the worms.  I will say though that since he does have a 59% career completion percentage that it is not a surprise.  He is right at 58% now so he is doing what he has always has done.  Anyone expecting him to get a lot better is kidding themselves.  I think he can do better but we then have to look at the wide receivers to see who is getting open.  Passes that take long to develop (deep patterns) will require longer pass protection which seems to be a problem at times.  I just cannot blame McNabb for this situation since he is there during the first half of games and leading the team to the leads in these games.  It is not just him in the second half of these games IMHO.

There really is no single thing that you can put your finger on and say if they fix this then the rest will follow.

It still comes down to the big boys up front playing much better than they have been playing thus far.  If AP can gain more than two yards per carry on at least 75% of his carries as opposed to 60% of his carries then we will be moving in the right direction which is down the field.

It has to start up front.

Bringing in Ponder is not going to change anything IMHO.  They may decide to do it and I will hope that he does well but the same problems will still exist up front and at the WR position.  Maybe Ponder will be a little more accurate?  Maybe.

Here is a link to 1500espn.com and a review of the game done by Tom Pelissero ..

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Breaking_down_the_tape_from_the_Vikings_loss_to_the_Lions092711

Notice where he says these things ...

"on a day the protection unit hemorrhaged pressure on 20 of 42 pass plays (47.6%)"

"The Lions did it all while rushing five or more only 10 times in McNabb's 38 dropbacks (26.3%), while the Vikings countered with at least one extra blocker 16 times (41.0%)."

The offensive line graded out the worst with McNabb not far behind.  I am not high on McNabb but I really do not want to send one of the younger guys out to play behind this line until it is absolutely necessary. 

So the answer to as to why we are in this situtation lies in the drafts that we have had since 2006 when Childress & Foley ruined that draft.  But that is for another post.

This FanPost was created by a registered user of The Daily Norseman, and does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of the site. However, since this is a <em>community</em>, that view is no less important.

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