NFL Week 17 Late Games Open Thread
by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 3:27 PM CST
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PrintWell, yours truly isn't quite ready to write about this one yet, folks. So, for now, here is an open thread to discuss the action that is going on right now.
A couple of things still up for grabs, like the AFC West title. The Denver Broncos win the AFC West with a victory over the Kansas City Chiefs, but if the Broncos lose and the Oakland Raiders can defeat the San Diego Chargers, the silver and black will be in the post-season.
The AFC North is still up for grabs, and the Baltimore Ravens will win that and a first-round bye with a victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. If the Ravens should lose and the Pittsburgh Steelers can beat the Cleveland Browns, the Steelers will get the bye and the AFC North. Oh, and the Bengals would get into the playoffs.
There are a ton of scenarios for the second AFC wild card spot, too (one of which will go to the AFC North runner-up), but I'm not sure what they all are. I'm sure they'll be mentioned numerous times over the course of the next couple of hours. The only one I know for sure is that if the Bengals win, they're in.
Oh, and there's the game between the New York Giants and Dallas Cowboys later on this evening. Winner gets the NFC East title and the #4 seed in the NFC playoffs, while the loser is making tee times at their golf course of choice on Monday morning.
Enjoy the rest of the final weekend of the NFL regular season, ladies and gentlemen.
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Matt Flynn going for sixth TD pass of day, and a comeback win for GB in the process.
FML
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Good systems go hand in hand with good quarterbacks
Joe Montana needed Walsh’s West Coast Offense innovation, and Young was able to go in and repeat
Brady needs Belichick’s passing attack
Brees needs his middle game route patterns, etc…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 1, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's so ridiculous.
Flynn is going to be the Matt Hasselbeck to Aaron Rodgers. I would assume Flynn is going to find himself the topic of heated trade debates this upcoming offseason, especially from a team who isn’t going to be landing RGIII or Andrew Luck. Chalk GB up for at least another second rounder.
And the rich just get richer.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
He's a free agent
Unless the Packers feel like franchising him, they aren’t getting jack squat for him.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
If they think they can get something for him,
he’ll be franchised and then traded, ala Matt Cassel.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 2, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
TD # 6 for Flynn. Packers take lead 45-41.
Fuck. My. Life.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 3:39 PM CST reply actions
So what Draft pick did we end up with anyway? Anyone know?
SKOL!
And Packers still suck, their record can’t change that.
Somebody has to beat the Packers in the playoffs, or this will be the 3rd SB in a row
that I won’t be able to watch.
And the Packers go 15-1.
I’m going to work on pretending this NFL season never happened.
Unless the Packers lose the Super Bowl, or don’t even get there. That would be cool.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 3:46 PM CST reply actions
I think it will be a Patriots - 49er Super Bowl
49er’s advance with better defense over New Orleans.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 1, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Packers-Ravens Superbowl
The 49ers are overrated. They have benefitted from a very easy schedule. The Saints are the Packers biggest threat in the NFC. Superbowl prediction : Packers and Ravens.
by vking1 on Jan 1, 2012 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you can say the same for the packers
But you play schedule you are given. I don’t think the Niners are that overrated they don’t wow you with offense but, they have something that the packers and saints don’t have and that’s a strong defense. And they do run the ball well. But I still don’t trust Alex smith at all.
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
by Vikant on Jan 1, 2012 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It appears though that defenses aren't needed now to win championships
The pack did it last year with much the same defense as they have this year, it may have been a little better last year, but I think their ranking was helped a lot by the lack of good offenses they faced last year. They have been exposed this year.
I dunno,
their defense did alot to help them out last year. Aside from the game against the Falcons, the defensive TDs they scored in every other game leading to the SB wound up being the margin of victory. So it wasn’t just their offense last year.
That said, their offense looks better this season than it did last year.. so.. there’s that.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
That's cuz it's 2012, the year the wheels fall off of religion.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
10:43 left in the second quarter
Falcons 35, Buccaneers 0
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 4:08 PM CST reply actions
Many teams had their season-best games against us
Partly our fault, partly just bad luck that we played them while they were on hot streaks.
Same thing with previously-unheralded players breaking out against us – equal parts ineptitude and back luck.
Things we know for 2012
The Vikings will probably finish in the cellar again.
They have two players worth keeping. Harvin and Allen.
Musgrave’s system is utterly horrendous and has been called out by three straight game announcers.
At this point I’m willing to audition for the defensive coordinator spot. Can’t be much worse.
Ditto
I call it a toss for either Musgrave or Pagac being worse…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 1, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think we have to keep in mind that Webb was not prepared for the full game plan
Considering that he moon lights at WR.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I'll call baloney on that.
He may moonlight at WR, but I don’t think he’s been doing it nearly as much lately, especially after Frazier/Harvin were talking about how special he was as a QB. He likely got second-string reps all week long, there’s no way they’d let Webb go in half-assed knowing that Ponder has been pulled the previous two weeks in a row.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
So why did they run the same dam play over and over once Webb was in at QB?
He was not prepared for the full game plan at QB, thats why.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
If that's the case then that's more an indictment on Webb than the coaching staff
No matter how much you deny it, Webb was at least taking half his practice snaps at QB. At this point in the season if he only knows a handful of plays as you stated, what does that say of his football IQ?
Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.
by TroyW18 on Jan 1, 2012 7:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The fact that he's learning a new playbook
And 3 positions (counting Blazer package as another position) I’d say his football IQ is pretty high.
It would be one thing if he were simply the #2 QB who could at least get mental reps when not getting actualy reps to learn and grow. But that is not the case at all. He’s bouncing back and forth, game to game, series to series, between QB and WR and Blazer. We’re talking about NFL QB by the way. The hardest position in all professional sports. There’s no denying that.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I want Kyle Orton to have a better day than Matt Flynn today.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
I just want to see REVENGE4ORTON.
Tebow in thew playoffs would be kind of exciting.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
But.. Orton isn't #4
I still think you should be REVENGE14WEBB
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
But but...Tavaris hasn't has a fair shot yet!
Or something.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 1, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Like..
Hasslebeck? Yes. That would be ironic.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
by the way none of this shit matters if we dont get our stadium
goddamned state senators better take their indices out of their recta
by los vikingos on Jan 1, 2012 4:21 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Yes, Matt Flynn and Aaron Rodgers may both be “products” of the system, but it is a different type of system then what we think of. When we think of products of the system, we think of the Mike Shanahan running game system or one of those colleges with high powered offensive systems such as Houston and Oklahoma State. The Packers system, is the Mike McCarthy QB school. Do you all know what the Mike McCarthy QB school is? We don’t know much about it, but we do know two things. One, it is unlike any other offseason activity that any other team does. Second, we do know of six drills they do. The same six drills, 13 hours a day, X-amount of days in a row. Now nobody knows the kinds of drills they do, but we do know they are unlike any other QB drills out there. So yes, they are both products of the system, but a system that is designed to make them good QB’s who could succeed anywhere.
doubt it
mike mccarthy is a buffoon. this is not the place or the time to praise anything related to those assholes in wisconsin
by los vikingos on Jan 1, 2012 4:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
they were able to change Rodgers' throwing motion from when he was drafted
Maybe they know something the rest of the league doesn’t? Or maybe there team is that good that you can plug in a QB and they succeed?
Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.
by TroyW18 on Jan 1, 2012 4:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
There have been plenty of QBs plugged into the Packers system
who didn’t succeed – including their 2008 2nd round QB pick, Brian Brohm. Flynn (a 7th round pick that same year) beat him out for the backup spot.
More than anything it seems like they pick smart kids (or in Rodgers’ case, get supremely lucky with a QB falling into their lap) and sit those guys behind a proven starter for a couple years before letting them see any extended action.
Favre also deserves a lot of credit for teaching Rodgers, who is probably teaching Flynn a lot.
Favre never taught Rodgers anything people.
by Timothy Bryce on Jan 1, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps
But I guarantee that Rogers learned a lot from Favre.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
The only thing Rodgers ever learned from Favre was the eyes and how a good QB controls the defense with his eyes. That is it and that can be learned from any good QB.
by Timothy Bryce on Jan 1, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Sure pal
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
The farther we get away from the Favre days, the more we realize this man was not as good as we all thought he was.
by Timothy Bryce on Jan 1, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
lol Somebody is in denial
I’m not saying he’s top-5.. but Favre was a damn good QB.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
The worst loss in Buccaneers' history
Is 45 points.
They’re down 42 with six minutes to go. Before halftime.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions
That is not how the Bucs should go about saving their coach's job.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
No kidding. Morris is as good as gone.
by christian220896 on Jan 1, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Does the Jets' collapse mean no more stories about Rex Ryan?
Because I support that.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 4:30 PM CST reply actions
It probably means even more stories about Rex
and then the media will be like, “Rex Ryan is all over the headlines!” … um yeah, because you CREATED those headlines by giving him interviews, letting him sound off, and refusing to discuss more worthwhile stories.
Similar thing with Tebow – “it’s Tebowmania!” … but only because you won’t stop reporting about him.
I think Rex Ryan got so much press in part because he coached in New York*
Ryan is a loudmouth, but everything is amplified in that media market.
Once Rexie is back to being an assistant coach in Seattle or some such place west of the Hudson, we’ll hear a lot less of him.
*Yes, Ryan actually coaches in New Jersey. Or did coach in New Jersey.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like Lions vs NO in the Superdome
Hopefully NO destroys them…
Gotta root for a team ( no matter how distasteful) that has a really good chance to
beat the Pukers. I think that team is the Saints.
Me too. I still can't stand the Saints
But I tend to agree – they have a FAR better chance to beat the Packers, all things considered.
Familiar indoor environment, renergized Lions
Going to be a tough game no matter what. NO got humbled last year with an early exit.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 1, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
So the question now is, for the Vikes...what to do about the QB situation
Which by all appearances, sadly, is still up-in-the-air. Ponder is starting to NOT look like the QB of the future (at all) and Webb, while agile and exciting isn’t either.
Ugh. So…what about this other QB in the draft, the Heismann winner. Should we take that dude?
We've got 2 QBs who might be amazing... or terrible, we don't know.
We have an offensive line we KNOW is terrible. A secondary we KNOW is terrible. A WR Corps that we KNOW is terrible (minus one stud).
There’s no question in my mind that we need much more help in those areas than we do at QB.
I don't think the O-Line is as bad as everyone says...
I think having a couple of real good cover corners and a legitimate deep threat is what we need. Our play calling is the real problem, how many boot-legs do we have to run with Percy out of the backfield? If we shore up the O-Line as everyone is calling for and no good corners in this pass happy league… We will find ourselves falling behind in games and defenses pinning back their ears to rush our QB. There isn’t any O-Line that can defend that. Get a new O-Coord or keep the same one but completely start from scratch with a concept of throw to set up the run.
by From Alabama Vikings Fan on Jan 1, 2012 6:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
we run so many bootlegs
Because the oline cant block a 5 step drop pass play. They have to get the QB out of the pocket because staying in the pocket is a death sentence. The Oline is as bad as advertised. The vikings need at least 3 new starters on the oline. LT and both guard spots need to be upgraded.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I think we are finding out already - sadly - it's not that much of a mystery.
I think it’s been pretty clear that neither of these QBs is the genuine answer either. Granted they probably deserve another year or two but still…I’m already worried that we’re still needing a REAL QB. :(
No team
In the history of the NFL has taken QBs in the first round in consecutive drafts. I don’t want the Vikings to be that team.
Besides, that’s just band-aiding a lot of other issues. O line, secondary, WR corps, etc.
I agree that we have other huge issues, no doubt
But I could not care less whether or not we’d be creating some special stat for ourselves by picking another QB. Big deal. OH NO! We’re the 1st team ever to pick a QB back-to-back! Gasp!
Big deal.
It is a big deal, actually. A very big deal.
For one thing, it shows the FO has no faith in either Ponder or Webb being their guy and I don’t think either of them deserve to be thrown under the bus yet.
Also, taking another QB in the first round excludes us from taking any number of other players in the first that could have a larger, more immediate impact while the QB learns.
The hole the Bucs dug for themselves is a little too deep...
…but Tampa is on the verge of a remarkable comeback. Just not enough time left.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 1, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions
Webb is exciting, but I think just like Tebow, if teams take away the run, the passing
isn’t going to beat you. He has a stronger arm than Tebow, but he is not really accurate. He threw a lot of passes that receivers had to make adjustments on that should have been wide open.
Ponder, not sure about him, he was doing the same thing. Not hitting receivers in stride, over or under throwing.
We really do need oline help, so if we had the first pick I would be tempted to take Luck, but since we don’t I think we have to go for the biggest need. Oline, maybe our QB’s would be a little better with a little more time.
It's impossible to say anything about QBs
behind this line, with this WR corps and this playcalling. That’s not a knock on Webb or Ponder – it just means we have to wait at least until we upgrade in those areas … which may or may not happen during Ponder or Webb’s career.
UMMM What About Cam Newton 2011 and J Clausen in 2010 ?
I think the jury is out on BOTH our QB’s .. Call me OPTIMISTIC but we could have 2 VERY SERVICEABLE UNIQUE QBOTF’s
MY Mistake
He was projected by many to be a Top-10 pick. Surprisingly, however, he was not selected in the first round of the draft, WIKIPEDIA
And Palmer overthrows his reciever and gets picked
Chargers get the ball back with 4.5 min left and a 12 point lead.
The best they can hope for
is being this year’s version of the Seahawks. And even that would require pulling off a massive upset first.
As that one coach doood over in that unnamed place once said
“Winning isn’t every thing, it’s the only thing.”
I couldn’t care less if the QB was from an indigenous tribe of Papua New Guinea who never played a down of ball in his life if he can go out and win games.
Soooooooo tired of not winning a Super Bowl.
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 3, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
So ho are you guys rooting for in the playoffs?
NFC will look particularly unappetizing to me… Lions or Falcons, I guess.
AFC: Bengals? Texans?
I don’t think any team I’m interested in has any realistic chance of making it to the Super Bowl.
Until the SB I will be rooting for any team except the Puckers. After that I will probably
root for the AFC team, unless it’s Pittsburgh.
Oh, this is easy
NFC, obv, I will be hoping that the… Giants make it. And then the Patriots stomp their faces in during the Superbowl to make up for that horrible let-down in 2008.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't our O-Line is as bad as people think
I think having a couple of real good cover corners and a legitimate deep threat is what we need. Our play calling is the real problem, how many boot-legs do we have to run with Percy out of the backfield? If we shore up the O-Line as everyone is calling for and no good corners in this pass happy league… We will find ourselves falling behind in games and defenses pinning back their ears to rush our QB. There isn’t any O-Line that can defend that. Get a new O-Coord or keep the same one but completely start from scratch with a concept of throw to set up the run.
by From Alabama Vikings Fan on Jan 1, 2012 6:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No
The O-line is pretty shitty. Like.. really.. really shitty. The other stuff is bad too, but the O-line is the cherry on our shit-sundae.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 1, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't (think?) our o-line is as bad as people think
What good is a deep threat if the QB only has two seconds to throw? Our QB’s are running for their life almost every play. The Vikings arguably have the best running back in football with Adrian Peterson. The Vikings have one of the best blocking TE’s with Jimmy Kleinsasser, yet when the Vikings drive down to the one, they attempt to pass for a touchdown. WHY?? Because the O-line isn’t strong enough to punch it in. Next year K-Sauce and probably Hutch will be retiring. Things will get worse. Adrian Peterson is out for the year. In todays game, Gerhart and Ponder both were injured. Webb with his quickness was running for his life. Fix the O-line!!
by vking1 on Jan 1, 2012 9:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Start CHANTING Packers 15 and 1 and lose the NFC Championship Game
Just Like the Pittsburgh Steelers and some other famous team….
….. HISTORY CAN REPEAT ITSELF
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