Non-Playoff Selections In 2012 NFL Draft Set
by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 7:01 PM CST
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The top 18 picks in the 2012 National Football League Draft are all set. To borrow an old line from Steven Wright, it doesn't look something like this. . .it looks exactly like this.
1) Indianapolis Colts (2-14)
2) St. Louis Rams (2-14)
3) Minnesota Vikings (3-13)
4) Cleveland Browns (4-12)
5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)
6) Washington Redskins (5-11)
7) Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11)
8/9) Carolina Panthers (6-10)*
8/9) Miami Dolphins (6-10)*
10) Buffalo Bills (6-10)
11/12) Seattle Seahawks (7-9)**
11/12) Kansas City Chiefs (7-9)**
13) Arizona Cardinals (8-8)
14) Dallas Cowboys (8-8)
15) Philadelphia Eagles (8-8)
16) New York Jets (8-8)
17) Oakland Raiders (8-8) (This pick will go to the Cincinnati Bengals as part of the Carson Palmer trade)
18) San Diego Chargers (8-8)
19) Chicago Bears (8-8)
20) Tennessee Titans (9-7)
* - Pick will be decided by a coin flip between Carolina and Miami
** - Pick will be decided by a coin flip between Arizona and Kansas City
Picks 21 through 32 are based on playoff seedings. The four teams that lose in the wild card round will select 21-24, the four teams that lose in the divisional round select 25-28, the two teams that lose in the conference championship games pick at 29 and 30, the Super Bowl loser selects at 31, and the Super Bowl winner picks 32nd. Of those teams in the playoffs, two of them are playing for the draft positioning of other teams, however. . .the New Orleans Saints' first-round pick goes to the New England Patriots, and the Atlanta Falcons' first-round choice this year belongs to the Cleveland Browns.
Two main scenarios I see for the Vikings at this point?
1) Andrew Luck goes #1 to. . .well, somebody (probably Indianapolis), Matt Kalil goes #2 to St. Louis, and the Vikings auction off the third pick to whoever wants to move up and draft Robert Griffin III
2) Luck goes first, someone else trades up to St. Louis' spot to take Griffin III, and the Vikings take Kalil to plug into the left tackle spot for the next decade
Personally, I'd be happy with either one. . .but there's going to be plenty of time to talk about that.
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At least we got the third pick.
One positive thing to take away from this clusterfuck of a season.
Excuse my language.
Uh,
I thought you simply misspelled clusterflop.
by Lars in SLP on Jan 1, 2012 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
is there
such a thing as a mongolian clusterflop? Because IMHO that is what this season was, if there is such a thing.
Try to learn from others mistakes because there just is not enough time in this world to make them all your self
by montana vikes fan on Jan 2, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
no excuse needed
that is exactly what this season was, and thank you for pointing that out lol
dfewkes15
Great position
Vikes could be in best possible spot.
Don't you know who the *^$% I am?
by Jeppernaut on Jan 1, 2012 7:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
Rodger Saffold was their second-round pick last year. The player drafted immediately after him? Chris freaking Cook.
Morris Caiborne
I have seen several sites where they say St. Louis will draft him but it’s all speculation. I hope if Kalil is available we take him. I like the Idea of trading the pick for more picks too.
Picture this
Vikings trade pick to either Jets or 49ers for offensive lineman and pick Michael Floyd with the later pick in the 1st round
by MNVIKS13 on Jan 1, 2012 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He owes us that for having to watch McNabb almost half the year
by RaysOfHope on Jan 1, 2012 7:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's official
Now that everything is complete, it can plainly be seen that McNabb finished with better stats than Ponder. Go ahead, look it up. Try to find one stat Ponder finished better in.
Not completion percentage. Not TD/INT ratio. Not yards/game. Not yards/attempt. Not yards/rush. NOT A ONE!!!
So before you go lamenting the failings of McNabb, be ready for the eat crow. You’ll be begging for a QB like him next year.
NOT A ONE?
Ummm… Why’d you mention Yards/ rush? CP’s 7.8 is greater than McNabb’s 4.2. so that’s “a one”
Also. McNabb threw for 4 TDs in 6 starts. Versus 13 in 10.
I get what you’re trying to say. And it’s potentially a valid point. but maybe next time try for the lay up instead of the backflip slam dunk argument that misses the net.
you are a moron, a fucking moron
I can throw a 15 yard pass straight into the ground, i guess i’ll be in camp next year also. I would have loved for Ponder to sit and learn for a year or two. But, a rookie or a second year guy were better options than McNabb. Everyone was hoping for the Mcnabb of 10 years ago but instead we got a guy whose career is OVER and whose attitude has gotten worse with age. And that is saying alot because he has always been an asshole. The guy doesn’t realize it whatsoever. He couldn’t even stay on the sidelines to help Ponder with the knowledge he has gathered through his career. When he was finally cut, nobody…NOBODY…wanted anything to do with him. And that is with several teams losing starters. Did Mcnabb Give the $5000 to Kluwe’s charity which was there agreement for Kluwe giving up his #5? NOPE. He also lead the team in other stats; flops, balls thrown into the ground within 7 yards of the los…Ponder lead the team in most PERTINENT categories. WE get it…you have some kind of unusal man crush on McNabb, you probably have a McNabb jersey from allof his stops. OH…I feel better now!!
I don't love McNabb
I just severely hate Ponder. Have since the moment we drafted him and am loving the justification of my hatred he’s proven so far.
Is it feasible he’ll get better? Maybe. But come shove my face in it when he does. Cause right now, I feel I’ve got a much stronger case than those who are so adamantly in favor of him.
I dont take much stock into some who also thinks percy harvin is overrated
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
Harvin
We treat him like he’s elite. Yet the dude has never been higher than 21st (this year) in total receiving yards.
In a league that (technically) has 64 starting players at the position, that puts him as the top 33%. Not exactly rarefied air.
And don’t start with the rushing BS. He’s a receiver. He should be receiving. We have RBs to accumulate rushing stats.
well, he ranked 6th in receptions this year...
…behind Welker, RWhite, Megatron, and TEs Gronk and Graham. not bad company, all things considered — i mean, as you pointed out…
He’s a receiver.…and receivers need to, ya know, catch the ball…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
and other than AP
he pretty much carried this team on offense especially in the second half of the season and no one is saying he’s is a top 5 receiver. but he is a VERY important player on this team and Play maker. you look at stats and that’s fine but stats aren’t everything. dude make plays you can’t deny that. Oh and that rushing BS as you call it, that’s how he was used in college that’s how we are using him in the NFL. No on else seems to have a problem with that.
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
We have lots of holes to fill.
So that #3 pick should be sold to the bidder with the best offer of talent and/or picks.
IMHO.
by Lars in SLP on Jan 1, 2012 7:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So who are people's prime candidates for trading up?
I’m thinking any of Wash, Miami, and KC trading up to grab RG3 or who ever’s still on the board at pick 3.
didn't see your comment until now...
…after i already posted. agree with Wash and Miami as the likely candidates.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Or Cleveland
They have 2 first rounders #5 and #17, and they need a QB, and their Coach already has been talking about RGIII.
a few thoughts
i think clevelands other first rounder is #25. this is going to be one of the craziest periods leading up to the draft. in reality indy could trade their pick, st louis could trade their pick. we won’t know what is going to happen until the 2nd pick is announced. suppose indy takes luck, half the people say st louis is going to take blackmon and the other half say kalil. If they trade out, that team will take RG111 and that will leave us kalil, YAY. If the take blackmon, we take kalil, YAY. if they take kalil then we can either take claiborne, YAY…or trade to the highest bidder…i think that can be cleveland with the two number ones and maybe a 2nd or 3rd. we will get extra picks and still are able to get claiborne. cleveland has to trade up to get RG111 otherwise possibly wash or miami or maybe seattle will deal with us. but i like clevelands 2 first rounders this year. if we end up trading with washington snyder may just give us the moon and the stars…plus there spot isn’t a bad place to get riley reiff. plus we’ll get probably a first next year and extra 2nd and maybe 3rd this year. extremely good right tackle and guards can be gotten in those rounds. i say draft an entire offensive line right now. WR such as bowe or someone in free agency. those minutes after st louis decides what they are going to do are going to be intense!!
The 2nd of Clevelands picks can be as low as #23
All depending on what ATL does in the playoffs. After watching the Fiesta Bowl tonight I would rather draft Johnathan Martin LT than Reiff, Martin separated himself by far. He trimmed downed a little bit and was very fluid and still dominate in the run game. Clevelands right behind us in order so we won’t be able to get a whole extra from them.
Cleveland has the 4th pick
dang, looks like they’re not going to be a trading partner with us in the draft. Was really hoping we could take both their first round picks in this draft.
as was i
most likely trade down candidate now becomes Washington (6) or Miami (8/9) for RG3, assuming his stock doesn’t take a hit going forward. moving up to 3 would cost either team their 2nd rd pick + more. highest bidder, yes??
of course, if Kalil is still there, it’s a no-brainer.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I agree...
I think we could get a lot for the #3 pick if it goes Luck Kalil, but I would rather have St. L trade their #2 pick to the highest bidder, that said highest bidder takes RGIII, and we take Matt Kalil. Don’t get fancy, just get the LT that this team needs. Kalil is the best LT prospect in the past 5 or so years too. He’s be HUGE for this team.
I was hoping that too
Looks like the best we can hope for if we are to trade back is maybe the other teams 1st and second and maybe an extra 1st next year.
by reebs on Jan 1, 2012 9:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the nice thing about it though
is that teams will want to jump ahead of Cleve if they think Holmgren wants RG3.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
We could still trade with Cleveland and take their 2nd round pick
And draft Claiborne, and then take two O-linemen in the 2nd, but if we could get someone else to jump over them we could get more draft picks.
true
But can’t imagine they would trade to move up one spot. Maybe we draft RG3 and trade with them the way NYG and SD did a few years ago.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Exactly what I was thinking
Cleveland wont hesitate to draft RG3 which means the 3rd overall pick becomes very valuable.
by christian220896 on Jan 1, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Don't rule them out
I want to trade the pick and would not rule out Cleveland. Although they know we are not taking RG3, they also know we will be looking to trade. So depending on how badly they want RG3, they may want to move up just to lock out Washington or Miami.
Not so fast
There have been several instances in the past few years where teams have traded up 1 spot for no other reason than to keep another team from doing so. If the Vikings make it clear that they are fielding offers, the Browns might get spooked and offer up the 2 first rounders…
it all depends...
…on how much cleveland wants RG111…if he is there at the 3 hole…there are going to be up to 5 suitors for the pick. up front cleveland has a lot to offer. but like i said everything depends on how much a team wants that player.we would get extra picks plus the player we were going to pick anyways. as for cleveland it’s the threat of someone jumping in front of them as the reason they would have to trade with us. no matter what were are going to get a stud. i think the value of the draft is going to lay in the 2nd thru 5th rounds.
anyone have thoughts on the qb from OKST, brandon weeden?? looks real good for a potential 4th or 5th rounder…but he will be 29 years old.
Kalil??
thought I read he was staying for his senior year??
Lest anyone think that WE need a quarterback
Here are the rookie season stat lines for two Vikings’ rookie quarterbacks.
Quarterback A – 10 starts (2 wins, 8 losses), 158 completions, 291 attempts (54.3%), 1,853 yards, 13 TD, 13 INT, 70.1 passer rating
Quarterback B – 10 starts (2 wins, 8 losses), 157 completions, 280 attempts (56.1%), 1,997 yards, 18 TD, 17 INT, 74.7 passer rating
One of those two quarterbacks is the guy we took in the last draft to be the quarterback of the future.
The other one is the greatest quarterback in the history of the Minnesota Vikings franchise, and held a ton of NFL records for a very long time.
Tough to tell the difference, eh?
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Ponder can only be credited with one win IMO
Webb did most of the work vs Washington. Plus Ponder is not playing with the Purple People Eaters on defense.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
In 1961
Neither was Fran Tarkenton
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 1, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
true
Here’s to hoping the Vikings defense and Ponder can improve over the next few years so this franchise can return to glory.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
How about
if the Vikes take RG3 and trade Ponder, and keep Webb, I’m more sold on Webb than Ponder. Or maybe trade Ponder, keep Webb and pick a back up QB later.
Won't get much for ponder
Id rather give him a full offseason to see what he can do next year.
by reebs on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Vikings are not going to trade CP or draft a QB...
The Vikings need to improve in so many areas. I’m all for drafting to fill the other needs (OL and DB) and if Ponder doesn’t work out at least we will continue getting high draft picks for the next two years (which is at least how long it will take to fill those holes regardless of who is under center). Like it or not the Vikes locked in their direction at QB when they took Ponder, like it or not that is our direction – and in fairness Christian has been without an OL or any WR other than Harvin so at this point I do not think judging him by record is a good assessment. He has made mistakes but we all expected a rookie QB to make mistakes, and he has also shown great poise. He showed me enough positives to think he might develop into a good QB in this league, I am content to give him a full offseason, a full preseason, an improved OL and hopefully adding a legit WR with whom he can develop chemistry…then we will know what we have in CP (a year or maybe two from now). This talk of drafting and keeping another QB or trading CP at this point is unrealistic.
by aceinthecorner on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
drafting problems
Unfortunately the way things have been going here in viking land, I can see us screwing up a draft day trade like we did when we couln’t finish a trade. I can’t remeber what year but our draft clock expired, and then teams were rushing to the podium. With all that has gone wrong this year it could happen.
2003 failed trade with Baltimore
We still drafted the player we wanted, KWill and I think he turned out alright.
Cowgirls
are making this a game in the Meadowlands!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
?
Did we give up a pick in this years draft for Caleb King in last years supplemental draft?
by NorthPoleNorseman on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No he was an undrafted free agent
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Is it just me
or did all of the fanposts just disappear?
Does Zebrie Sanders fall to the 2nd round
and if he does, do we take him?
I personally don't think Zebrie is worth a 2nd round pick
I’ve watched every game of his in person and he is good for two penalties a game and really isn’t that amazing of a college tackle. I know a lot of people are high on him, but I think he’s a bit overrated.
Ha.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 1, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
He would be a right tackle not a left tackle
He is good on the right side but started having more problems moving across the line to help with injuries
agreed
no interest in him — but sadly, he may be a step up from Loadholt…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Loadholt
does anyone have an opinion on loadholt moving to guard?? seems like that would be his natural position…(he has a body like Pat Williams, hmmm NT????)
been hashed out numerous times
at 6’8" he’s too tall to be an interior lineman, unless your QB is Wilt Chaimberlain….
I’d like to see him tried out at NT next to Kwill….
Loadholt isn't quick enough to be moved inside, either
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
wow
I had the same thought today with those draft scenarios. I actually just used the same scenarios in a comment i made on twincities.com
dfewkes15
Luck
Perhaps they trade spots with Indy (assuming they’ll make another run with Manning) and throw them Ponder to sit behind Manning and learn.
Vikings take Luck. Everyone’s happy.
Then the Vikings move to LA.
Gotta love politicians.
I Know we have bigger needs...
But boy I would love some Justin Blackmon in this roster…
What a BEAST of a player
We're boned.
Unless we can land a sure-fire thing in Kalil, I’ll bet money that if we trade away our 3rd pick we’ll just end up with a lot less talent in the long run. More bodies but less talent. Sigh. :(
Stupid Vikings. \:(
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