Mel Kiper And His Hair Regrade The 2011 NFL Draft
The other day, ESPN draft guy Mel Kiper, Jr. regraded the 2011 NFL Draft for all 32 NFL teams. As you might expect, the grade for the Minnesota Vikings got a bit worse than it was this past April. Right after the draft, Kiper graded Minnesota's selections as a C+. Here's what he had to say about the class of 2011 after they actually played some football.
When you think you're drafting the quarterback of the future for the franchise, you take your shot. That's what the Vikings did at No. 12 when they drafted Christian Ponder. I had that as a reach on my board, but Ponder showed some things in 2011. Still, it was for a team that was far less competitive than we thought it would be, and, as the season finished, I even heard questions about whether the team should give Joe Webb a shot. Are the Vikings confident they can compete in 2012 with Ponder at the helm? Kyle Rudolph is a talented player and should be a weapon in that offense; he certainly has mastered the one-handed catch. After that, it's pretty quiet. Christian Ballard got reps, but I don't see him as an impact player. Overall, this is still an incomplete for me as we wait on Ponder. But hopefully we'll see some development from the other picks, too.
With that, he proceeded to grade the Vikings' 2011 draft as a C-.
On the bright side, all four NFC North teams got lower grades in January than they did in April. However, the Vikings still have plenty of catching up to do. Hopefully this April that catching up will get underway.
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Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?
That’s still funny, right?
"I wanted to do it because it's fun, it's fun to do bad things and drive into a car."
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 13, 2012 5:56 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yep
And to seriously answer the question, he’s a nobody that happened to find a niche before anyone else. And since he’s been doing it longer than anybody else, that’s pretty much the only thing his reputation has going for him. Check out this old footballoutsiders article from 2007 about Kiper’s accuracy up to that point in history.
Here’s the best quote from it:
“On balance, Kiper appears to be neither a genius at spotting talent nor the hapless clown that some of his detractors portray him to be. He’s had a good number of hits, but he’s also been completely wrong about his fair share of players over the years.”
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
The reason that I really, really don't like Mel Kiper sometimes,
is that he tries to analyze so many teams that he really doesn’t get the erroneous details of each draft class. Raymond was nominated for a rookie of the week. Ponder had 13 TDs and 13 picks in 10 games, and i bet you anything that most people wouldn’t have predicted that at the time of being drafted. Rudolph did alright in a limited offense with a poor line, too.
I don’t know. He just kind of seems kind of like a schmoozy, “I know what I’m talking about because I work for ESPN but didn’t actually graduate from college” type of guy. I’d personally keep it at a C+.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
You make a good point
Good point… he is like some of these sports pundits that talk about every game like they watched it, only to find out later they didn’t and they are reporting off what they read or someone else told them…
I dunno..
I think he hit the nail on the head there. Who did we get out of this last draft besides Ballard, Rudolph and Ponder? You didn’t really hear anything from the other guys, and this is a team that went 3-13, so its not like the starters were setting the world on fire.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
We got Raymond, Fusco, Love, Burton and Reed. :P
I see your point, but if that’s really all he wrote about the draft class, then he really delve into things. Raymond had a really good last couple of weeks, and he didn’t even say a word about it. He did have good tidbits about Rudolph and Ponder, but that’s about it. I respect his opinion, but he doesn’t really impress me all that much when he’s reviewing every single team because he’s just so vague.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
I like Kiper myself.
The first time I noticed him was in 1984 during a ESPN round table discussion about the upcoming season and the topic was “contenders and pretenders”. The Vikes were coming off an 8-8 season I believe, and Mel labled them a Pretender and said this was a bad football team and would only win 3 or 4 games. I thought he was a clueless hair-ball then but damn if he didn’t prove right.
by Caretaker QB on Jan 14, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah..he can be really spot on sometimes.
but he’s been wrong just as many times as he has right. He labeled Jared Allen as an overrated prospect coming out of college, for example. My main point is that when he’s analyzing all 32 teams, he kind of seems to leave out details and gets pretty vague.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
1985 Draft
My first memory of Kiper is from the 1985 draft when he completely ripped the Vikes for taking Doleman with the 4th overall pick. He called him a ‘Tweaner’ who wasn’t going to have a position in the NFL and probably wouldn’t make an impact. Can you say oops???
I don’t hate Kiper and he definitely has a lot of knowledge about players, what bothers me is when he talks about “value”. Like the teams are supposed to follow his board because of his genius instead of what their team actually needs.
Kiper and the Kardasians are proof anyone can get on TV if they .........
While all us Viking Fans wonder some of the same going into next year, who is Kiper anyways? Why, I’ll tell you. He is the only guy that makes me miss…..Joe (I’m going to spend 80% of the time talking about me) Theisman.
Watching Theisman go after Mel on draft day for his stupid statements was fun :) Pure enjoyment and I miss it!
Other than that Mel is a complete waste of time on TV. That’s my opinion anyway which I might add I am trying to share with everyone in hopes of someone giving me my own show so I can blather about my opinions HA!
Maybe we can get a show together
Mel is a genius, the best in the land. He’s right that they had a horrible draft and only got ok player in ponder, Rudolph, and some other people that weren’t at all impact players, who was that safety? Yeah I don’t know either.
That’s a good start right? Of course the above statement was all sarcasm, but it’s for the show man!!!
by reebs on Jan 14, 2012 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agreed that Kiper is a floozy
but i do agree with him that it is “incomplete”; not b/c of Ponder, but b/c this coaching staff refused to allow our 2011 draft class to substantially develop.
Rudolph needed to be involved more, Fusco hardly saw game reps, hell Love never even saw a game!!
i hope this offseason and during OTAs and TC, the staff will allow these young guys to get their chance.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yeah it's a pretty hard draft to grade immediately...
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
C- huh?
Well, we really missed that 3rd round pick, so when you look at our top 4 picks, it leaves something to be desired, because Christian Ballard and Brandon Burton were 4th and 5th round picks who didn’t see a lot of playing time. So, he’s pretty much basing it all on Christian Ponder (who was injured for some of his starts) and Kyle Rudolph (who also saw limited action). How can you even grade that?
The rest of our picks were all 6th round and lower. They were mostly developmental/prospect type picks to begin with, of which most never even saw the field. Expecting these picks to be starters is stupid, but having said that, Mistral Raymond showed some potential in limited action at the end of the year.
He graded it an “incomplete” and should have left it at that. There’s no way to justify raising or lowering the grade at this point.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
It's actually no point in grading the draft right off the back period.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would give us a worse grade
We picked “developmental” players and it showed as injuries piled up. Spielman said that this draft we are going to have 10 and maybe more picks. He also stated that all will be expected to have an impact, well guess what you’re a day late and a dollar short with that philosophy. Bottom line is none of our rookies other than Ponder played a good sample amount of snaps, which I would say is not incomplete but rather an even worse grade… D
Players usually get better so you can look at it again next season but as of now it’s not looking too good
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
I agree
It didn’t seem the “developmental” players improved during the season at all – which I figured was from mediocre coaching. The first time I saw Christian Ballard play he seemed quick and agile and looked like a high ceiling guy – but never really progressed.
by Caretaker QB on Jan 14, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
I have to agree
Not sure we have a long-term development program in place yet. The shelf life of most NFL players is not very long so we have to have the coaching to develop them fast and efficiently.
I think Kiper downgraded us because he was comparing us to other teams, and other teams were able to get top-drawer impact out of many of their players, and we still have far too many questions and not enough answers.
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 14, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Well OK..... that's obvious, but....
Why would anyone who knows football want Kiper’s opinion?
I don't know why cats are hatin on Mel
I give him props for doing his thing for all these years and parlaying it into a high paying job. Can’t be mad at him for that. And I do not believe that any of us could do it. It takes time and research. A lot of time and research.
What is funny about that 1994 incident is Kiper was right. The Colts selected Trev Alberts instead of Trent Dilfer. They had drafted Jeff George in 1990 with the number one overall pick and then traded him in March of 1994. And don’t forget that Indy traded Andre Rison, Chris Hinton, and a 1991 first round draft pick to Atlanta to select Jeff George in the 1990 draft. So now they are going into the 1994 draft having already trading the #1 overall pick after just 4 years.
Yeah, I guess you guys are right. That was not a team that should be called the laughingstock of the league. Mel was right on that one. Polian was just mad and now it comes out that he has always been kind of an arse too. What a surprise.
I suppose you could say he was a genius for selecting Peyton Manning but he basically fell to him. Anyone who tries to compare Ryan Leaf to Manning just does not know football. Manning played 4 years and received his degree in 3 years yet returned for his final season even though he would have went first overall in the 1997 draft. The poor St Louis Rams had to live with that decision of Manning’s for years since they had Tony Banks as their starter in 1997 with Steve Walsh & Jamie Martin backing him up. They ended up taking Orlando Pace which was good but I am sure they would have went with Manning in 1997.
I think that at the time Indy was a joke. They traded away their 1991 first to move up for Jeff George who they promptly traded away four years later. I do not know about you guys but if the Vikings pulled a move like that many of us would have been pissed. Too bad there was no internet back then.
I think his take on the Vikings picks is pretty reasonable. Ponder did some things well as a rookie yet there were some rumblings about Webb getting his shot to start. That kind of raises a little bit of a red flag when you consider they drafted Ponder in the first round. Then Rudolph did not really do a lot (26 catches for 3 TDs) mainly because he did not get much playing time. Maybe he would have done more if given more time? Maybe not?
Ballard did not get a lot of reps either. He was just OK and clearly needs some more development.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/27/a-look-at-some-non-first-rounders/
I think he will get there though. They will be patient just like with Guion. It takes defensive tackles a little bit longer to impact usually.
Of the rest only Fusco really stood out. Mainly for personal foul penalties (which I like) but he looks like he is going to surprise. No one else really did much.
It is too early to review a draft anyway but for an early review a C- is OK. I got no problem with that. If Ponder could have stayed healthy then maybe he would have done more and the grade would be higher. I hope he can stay healthy next year and have a decent season. If he does that and Rudolph doubles his production then the draft wouldbe considered pretty good.
Sorry, Mel knows what he is talking about most of the time. I got no problem with him at all. He is just doing his thing like many people are when reviewing drafts or talking about prospects. People just want to hate on him because he is the one getting paid.
I never pay for the EPSN insider stuff anyway. And I look at many different scouting sites to get different takes on players. I also have to go by what I saw too.
You're wrong Mark
You could do his job. Not sure if you have the hair for it though …
people hate just to hate
I think a C- is fair. On paper I thought it looked better than a C+ last April. Fusco, Love, Brandon Burton, Christian Ballard all had created some pre draft buzz for themselves. Most experts said Ballard had 1st round potential if not for his off the field stuff. Rudolph was the best at his position and probably would have gone in the 1st if not for the hamstring injury.
But at the end of the day, this draft will hinge on Ponder. EVERYONE said Ponder was a reach at 12. I think that opinion was influenced by the fact that it was rumored that the VIkings were interested in Locker and that they subsequently went into panic mode when Tennessee took him a few spots earlier. I didn’t buy that rumor for one minute. All the signs point to the fact that Ponder was indeed their man. Now Spielman’s and Frazier’s future in the NFL will likely depend on Ponder’s performance next season.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Ross Homan
A forgotten name is Ross Homan. Mel had Ross Homan ranked as the best available player for awhile before the Vikings selected him. Was Ross that bad, or did his concussion concerns end his career.
I liked Homan
I have no idea what happened to him. He seemed like a good prospect and a good pick and someone who could’ve given them depth at LB this past season.
I liked Homan too
I mocked him to the Vikes and went out on a limb that he could replace Leber. Homan looked completely lost when he got playing time in the preseason and was a disappointment. The injury didn’t help, but he was a bit undersized to begin with, so he probably would not have had a long career anyway.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

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