Minnesota Vikings Stadium: There Are How Many Proposals?
by Christopher Gates on Jan 13, 2012 7:55 PM CST
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PrintApparently, the folks from Shakopee weren't the only ones to get a proposal for a new Minnesota Vikings' stadium in at the last minute. So, how many proposals did there end up being? Well, our correspondent on the scene will be happy to tell you.
That's right. . .there are nine stadium proposals on the table as things stand right now, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. (Thanks to UnBanned Vikingholic for posting this in the FanShots first.)
Now, there are the ones that you'd expect from Ramsey County and Minneapolis, as well as the Shakopee proposal. There's also one for a site across from the Mall of America, near the Ikea store. (Maybe Ikea will be the main sponsor and the whole thing can be built out of balsa wood or whatever it is that Ikea furniture is made out of.) But, as the Star-Tribune article points out, the most interesting one probably comes from Bob Roscoe of Minneapolis, who cited the Journal of American Rocket Science.
Roscoe said the stadium could be "built completely from materials available at Menards, fabricated by the box store’s night crew." He said a Menard’s supervisor had estimated the cost at "three for $304,016.00, or one structure for $100,006.00."
He said the stadium’s design would recall Minnesota’s heritage of "pickup truck toppers propped up on sawhorses as seen in back yards and driveways in northern [Twin Cities] suburbs."
I don't know about you, but that sounds a bit. . .Wisconsin. . .to me.
But all the proposals are linked at the Star-Tribune link up above. I don't know if any of the plans that have been kept super duper secret have any real chance, but going from a time when the team couldn't even get one proposal for a new stadium to having nine is a positive sign that people don't want this team going anywhere.
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The Journal of Rocket Science proposal is probably the funniest thing I've ever read in my life.
“The top structure and it’s sawhorses can stand outside of the playing field during nice weather, but in inclement conditions, drivers from Bobby and Steve’s Auto World and their giant tow trucks will pull the massive topper and sawhorses support structure on wheels along a rail roadbed, placing the giant canopy over the playing field, protecting ticket holders. […]
…“Vikings team owner Ziggi Wilf heralded the stadium design as ‘recalling the Vikings coach Buck Grant heritage,’ when real Minnesota men stood by their team.”
Buck Grant and Ziggi Wilf FTW! And with that, we have 8 proposals.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
And holy crap, if Ramsey County doesn't get the deal I'm going to be shocked.
I just looked through all of them and Arden Hills blows every single other one out of the water by a mile.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
The legislature isn't going to make the decision based on these proposals alone...
It’s not like any other deal won’t end up looking that complex by the time it’s done. It’s all part of the political theater that makes up this process. The Vikings and Ramsey did a great job presenting their site proposal, but that doesn’t make it any less difficult to get passed.
Yeah that's very true. I should've phrased it as: Ramsey County certainly has the edge if it were to be decided on proposals.
Minneapolis and Ramsey had the top 2 for sure. The only difficulty is getting it passed. The iDome and the JORS just made me laugh…
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
Did you read the one marked as "Jewell"
That would be one hell of a stadium, and no public funding required…
For those who haven’t seen it, it is a proposal to build a stadium/year-round pedestrian skywalks at MOA. The stadium would be in a lot owned by Ikea and be funded off profits from surrounding businesses, the MOA and the Vikings. It has a lot of other cool stuff, however I don’t know if it was an MOA official who wrote it up or someone else which could have a serious impact (saying as MOA will be funding a lot of the cost)
A very cool idea, which would likely have a greater economical impact, however I just don’t see it happening
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
I live in WI
I can attest, pickup toppers on the sawhorses (and in general any type of redneck fix-it job) is definitely Wisconsin in origin
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
Wow
I looked over those other 9 proposals, and might I add: Yikes. Obviously, most of their were not to be taken seriously (iDome?). And it seems obvious that some of the others WERE meant to be taken seriously, but the author of it was completely bat-shit crazy.
The Arden Hills proposal is by far the most complete proposal, and the only thing standing in it’s way is the voter referendum. Honestly, the Shakopee proposal looks to be a better and more complete proposal than even the Minneapolis proposal. After seeing them all, and based on the merits of the proposals themselves (excluding and politics/money), I’d rank them as follows:
1. Arden Hills
2. Shakopee
3. Minneapolis
4. Eagan (although there appeared to be no author to the proposal)
5. Mall of America (the author appeared to be a loony)
6. The rest (the remaining 4 were “joke” proposals)
And you know what? There’s not a lot of difference between #3-5. It will be VERY interesting to see where this all ends up.
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I agree on the MOA site
The author did seem a few bricks short, but I still think its a great idea
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
by Grape Drank on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
RE: Referendum
The Mpls city charter also requires voter approval for the city to spend over $10 million on a stadium.
So both Arden Hills and Mpls are looking for the legislature to trump their local electorate.
With this being an election year it just makes it that much tougher to line up enough votes to pass a stadium bill, regardless the site. I’d guess there are more than a few legislators that now wish this issue had been addressed last year.
I just hope they don’t kick this can down the road to 2013. I gotta give Dayton credit for keeping this thing in motion.
by Lars in SLP on Jan 14, 2012 4:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Southern metro
Ever since they proposed the Arden Hills site, I’ve been stating the southern metro area would be a better area. The areas I was recommending was Eagan, Burnsville, Bloomington, Eden Prairie or Shakopee. These areas have a better road system already in place for traffic in and out after games.(DOWNTOWN STINKS!) Also a better selection of motels, hotels, restaurants and entertainment, as in Water parks, Mall of America, Mystic Lake Casino, Canterbury Park and Valley Fair. Its closer to the Vikings Headquarters at Winter Park, closer to The Mankato spring training site and is in the area of the original Viking’s Met football stadium. It never “had to be” in Minneapolis. Minneapolis sees all the “benifits” of having the stadium in “Minneapolis”.
Also just recently they have proposed the site near the Basilica of St. Mary, a historic Catholic Church.
How is this proposed site any different timing than the now proposed Shokopee site? That just an excuse to eliminate the competition. Also look at the estimate cost. Less than any of the current sites. If we can still get the Vikings to invest the same as Arden Hills why not? They said they would invest “less” in the Minneapolis sites, and also they wouldn’t have the additional $67 million expenses relating to the Metrodome proposal. I also think without the “cleanup” that would be required at the Arden Hill site, this new proposal could have the new stadium up and running before any of the other sites, which would get the Vikings out of the Metrodome faster/or eliminate the headache of using the TCF Stadium, which I feel would cause lost revenue due to season ticket holders cancelling their renewals, and less seating, besides “NO BEER”!!!!(AT THIS TIME)
The Rocket science one
was a worth more then a few laughs. I do commend someone for seeing the funnier side of things.
Now, down to what I would consider the serious proposals, it might be me, but it does strike me that yet again, Minneapolis has the least convincing and shortest proposal? Ramsey County, Shakopee and even Eagan seem to have things broken down into details, infrastructure layouts, amenities and so on? Even the Mall of America one, for it’s brick short of a wheel barrow load, author seems to have been thought out as well? Again, it seems just with their “proposal” they submitted, that it was a “ho hum, just another day” of a basic, quick outline letter then an actual proposal? Anyways, as I would see it, the top three from the proposals I see would be:
Arden Hills
Shakopee
Eagan
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What about the Target Field solution?
Plant goal posts at either end of Target Field, paint the lines, done. Cost: negligible.
If it rains or snows, 60,000 fans and a couple hundred football people all run through the skyway to the Metrodome. Cost: already there.
The publicity from a single “running of the football crazies” would pay for the whole thing, and make Minneapolis more famous than…St. Paul!
One solution not mentioned...
…is to tear down the state capital building and put the new stadium there. I’m sure there’s a statute on the books about any building that hs not been used for seven years or more may be seized. As far as I can tell, nothing happened in that building towards getting a new stadium built for ten years or more. OK, it’s not in an ideal location, but it’s free, plenty of room for tailgating, decent roads, and good utilities. Of course, with all the crap that’s gone on there, the land is toxic and it would need to be cleaned, but if you locked the politicians in the basement, they could heat the place with all the hot air they generate.
by The Man From P.U.R.P.L.E. on Jan 15, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions
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