What should this postseason teach Rick Spielman?
With the Giants convincing victory over Green Bay now reality, what lesson can we take from it? How can we look at New England's tromping of Denver's highly touted defense and apply their offensive production to our cast of players?
First of all, let's look at the Giants game. They play a 4-3 defensive scheme. It may not have got massive pressure on Rodgers, but they effectively stopped the run. I think our d-line is just as talented as theirs. It seems that line play is a lot about attitude. The Giants said they thought they would beat the Pack and had the confidence to do it. Seems to me that the Vikes should be able to stop the run with the talent they have up front. Right? When the vikes were winning, the d-line looked very good.
The Giants secondary seems stiffer than ours, but they also play more physical, tight coverage. I think we could take a lesson from that. If you don't give up easy underneath passes to recievers that can run with the ball after the catch, they won't score as much. Maybe it's a naive look, but i'm not a football guru, just a fan. Can't we acquire the secondary talent to play the Giant's style defense? Our linebackers are comparable, aren't they? Seems like were a couple good d-backs from that system.
Eli manning throws a good deep ball and is given protection. Helps him to look good this year. I think the Vikes o-line with key additions like kalil, zietler and/or nicks via free agency would really help. Webb throws a good deep ball and Ponder may just look much better with more experience and protection. They both have the potential to look good next year IMO. A big strong receiver similar to Hakeem Nicks to compliment Percy would really help that effort.
Next, look at the Pats. Our defense is already better than their's statistically, so how does their offense carry them? I think that Brady is a great QB and we won't be able to get someone of his caliber without some luck(no pun intended), but who cares? Look who he throws to. If his receivers don't get open, he still can't throw it to them, except for the Gronk.
Seems to me, they run a very effective slant pattern scheme to Welker with seam passes to their big TE's. Rudolph may not be a Gronk, but he's big and has good hands. I hope they work hard with him this off season on route running and vertical seam route catching skills like NE does with Gronk. Gronk is the offense along with Welker, for the Pats. As for Welker, he may be shifty and have hands of glue, but i think Percy is just as good, maybe better. I hope they work with percy on developing a new offensive scheme similar to NE's that allows him to get more touches like welker does.
Obviously our RB's are better than New England's. I'll take AD and 'hart All Day.
Overall, It feels like we are close to acquiring the talent at needed positions, and close to developing the talent we already have. It seems to me, that when you look at a team like San Francisco, and see what a difference good coaching and scheme changes make, We may be just a draft, free agency period, and impact coaching changes away from a whole new look.
Are there any good head coaching prospects available that look like they will make a seamless transition to the pro's?
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Chose OL because of the trickle down effect
With better OL play the RB can run for more yards, the QB has more time to throw, the receivers have more time to get open, and the offense stays on the field longer. The offense stays on the field longer it keeps the opposing O off the field and puts more points on the board for the Vikings. Everyone benefits.
Agree
We need to protect our investments in Ponder and AP, and also we know what our D-line can do when we are playing with a lead.
I would add
Holy hell did u see how much time brady had in the pocket? With a line that allows the qb to just sit there u will pick apart any d no matter how good they r and Denver’s D is really good.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 16, 2012 1:59 PM CST via Android app reply actions
This ^
Its almost as if the Pats dont care to play the conventions of the game. Seems like they say screw the first downs or driving the ball lets get in toss a TD and get out. worked well really an odd set up. But yah the time he had was nuts.
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here's hoping...
…the vike’s revamped line next year affords ponder and webb that kind of time.
a problem with your assessment is that spielman has zero say regarding
the coaching staff or the schemes that the coaching staff decides to run/use. his only real job is to select players to fit what he thinks the coaching staff is trying to do. i think that is a mystery, do YOU have any idea what the coaching staff is trying to do?
also, comparing this team to new england is a tough one. i love what the patriots do, but that organization is several levels above whatever the vikings have ever been. i don’t have much confidence that frazier and company have enough brains to decipher what it is that the pats do year in and year out to stay competitive while rotating players and changing up their schemes. they are neo-phytes compared to belichick and company.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
All good points.
I have no idea what we are trying to accomplish offensively. That’s why i would love to see a new scheme more similar to New England’s in place. I realize that may be hard to pull off. I don’t have a lot of confidence in frazier as head coach, either. When you see HC’s make an immediate impact, like in SF, you realize that Frazier has not lived up to most fan’s expectations. As far as Spielman goes, i don’t know what, if any, input he has for selecting coaches. I hope he makes smart picks to improve the o-line, secondary and acquires real o-line help and a #1 WR via free agency. Can’t complain about him if he get’s it done!
What kind of stadium...
…and where? Indoor, outdoor, outdoor with a retractible roof? I like the Arden Hills location idea. It’s not too far off the beaten path and driving through that area a couple days ago, it looks like the community would benefit from a stadium there. The traffic would probably not be a problem, either.
from left to right
The giants Dline is better then the Vike’s dline. Jared Allen is the best of the whole lot, but there’s a drop off after that. All four of the giants dlinemen can rush the passer effectively.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
And that's not even counting back-ups.
I’ll take a healthy Osi over Griffen anyday.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 16, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
good point
we have been a d-line strong team, and that has slipped over the past couple years. Don’t you think that we are a good NT and some off-season Improvement from our young players away from being close though?
I would have to disagree with that statement...
Kevin Williams is still a beast, he just spent the first half of the season hobbled with Plantar Fasciitis. Even with the injury, he had almost as many sacks (5) as BOTH the Giants DT’s combined (6) and he only played in 14 games.
Granted, that does not take into account Pressures and Hits… But it does show he is more effective than either of the Giant’s DTs.
A healthy KWill makes a big difference
But the other 2 guys are not as good as what the giants have. I believe their roll through the playoffs thus far proves it. Especially when they go with JPP and Osi at ends and move Tuck inside to DT. Very formidable front.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
That I will agree with...
Robison is no slouch, but he is also no JPP or Osi.
Ayodele… Well… I don’t want to talk about him.
Any word on Canty?
He looked pretty banged up vs the packers.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
According to Rotoworld:
Giants DT Chris Canty did not need an MRI after leaving Sunday’s playoff win with a fourth-quarter knee injury.
He’s fine. “I’m a hundred percent,” Canty confirmed. “I’m ready to go next week.” Canty finished the regular season with career highs in tackles (47) and sacks (4), and also forced a safety. He’ll start in the NFC title game
I think Spielman has to help with players in 3 areas.
OL is the biggest need but a good WR is also essential. If we get a good LT and adjust some of the other Olinemen around we can improve a lot. A good, fast WR will help take some pressure of the OL also. Then we need a good CB. Spielman has to get at least 2 of those out of this draft and the other in FA. I would like to see some trading to get all 3 from the draft, as well as a few projects.
The NDSU Bison rock.
all good points
I think your analysis would be ideal, if we don’t give up JA or percy to do it. Who would you like to see the vikes target for CB and in what round? WR?
So far...
…the pole shows more people(by 1)wish we had better coaching than a better secondary. That is suprising! Keep voting, folks!
My comments
Our d-line is very good. But we have a number of failures that keep it from where it should be, as well as everything else on the defense:
1) We rarely blitz, so we never give it a shred of help.
2) Our linebacker corp is extremely weak compared to NY. Neither Henderson would be playing there, and Greenway would be playing middle linebacker instead of outside because of his emphasis of getting to the ball like most middles, whereas an outside linebacker normally is simply trying to squeeze the field down.
3) Our backfield is a mess. Our lack of superior coaching is 80% of the problem followed by 20% being weak players. People might disagree with that, but anytime you see a superior team with every single person of the secondary shredding the passing game and compare it to our team where every single person in the secondary seems to not know where to be or even what planet he is on then you can only conclude coaching is the problem.
Good article, Chatter.
I only disagree with one thing.
On offense Belichick rarely runs slants. I’m don’t think he believes in either them or hook patterns, which are a signature of a West Coast team, which his is definitely not. He likes to rack up major yardage on fewer plays, which you can’t do if you have to slow for the ball and then turn upfield. While we relied almost exclusively on slants and similar, almost all of Belichicks passing routes are straight downfield routes going away from the ball. 9 times out of 10, except near the end zone, and you will see his receivers catching over the shoulder at full speed while heading toward the end zone. Even Gronk.
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM CST reply actions

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