My thoughts on the Vikings and CP7...
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM CST
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PrintFirst off, I'd like to glorify and refresh everyone's memory that the Packers are the only 15-1 team to NOT win a playoff game. Also, I want everyone to remember that this is the NFL and teams can change around very, very quickly. Either for the better or the worse. The Vikings definitely have taken a turn for the worst these past two seasons, but that doesn't mean we can't change things around quickly with a smart draft and via free agency. Throughout all our games, I seen a team that never quit and kept fighting, even when it seem like the end was near, we always found a way to bounce back, usually just to fall short. With a few more bounces our way, the record could be way better then it is now. But like they say, you are what your record says you are. Going back to the statement that this team doesn't quit and plays until the end; I found it very surprising that some fans wanted this team to throw the last few games just to get a better draft pick. Granted that I understand their thinking, but you can't live with players who quit. I'd rather see my team lose with dignity then quit in defeat.
Now to express my main reason for writing this post. I want everyone to tune in to this. Christian Ponder is and will still be the Vikings Quarterback entering the 2012 season, bar an injury. I'm not a big stats guru and I'm a bit lazy to go look up very much when I write. So I write from my own perspective and opinion, which everyone might not agree with. Ok, now I've spend the past few days watching every single game that Christian Ponder has played in. Guess what I discovered? Oh, you're not going to believe this one... Christian Ponder played like a rookie. Oh no, run wild, the ship is burning down. We have a rookie quarterback who played like a rookie. Rookie mistakes tend to be, staring down receivers, getting baited into throws, making bad decisions, throwing picks, yeah, those types of things. I admit, Christian looked exactly like a rookie was suppose to... Sigh. Ok get real people.
Christian Ponder has potential. Good if not Great potential. No one knows his ceiling, yet many people put it upon themselves to set his ceiling for him. IMO he showed more promise than not. Are there concerns? Of course. He has been getting injured, but I wouldn't call him injury prone yet. I'd prefer to call him a victim of having the worst body guards a QB can have. I mean, they'd let a kicker in to Club Sack Our Quarterback. Some other concerns include his ability to throw the deep ball. Hmmm, I'm pretty sure if you watch the Atlanta Falcons game highlights, I'd think he can do that just fine with more experience. Also, i noticed that after Mike Jenkins got injured, Christian Ponder kind of fell of in production a bit. And even a bit father when Christian started getting injured himself. So what does that tell you? We really really do need a deep threat wide receiver. Percy is magical. I'm so thankful for him, and if I ever see a trade Percy post I might take it upon myself to track you down and... Nevermind this is the internet. (I don't need any witnesses.) I think it's critical to Christian's development to give him a deep threat and an O-Line. Unless we go all New England style and maximize our tight ends touches. Like I posted at my blog, the 49ers have stuck with their man 6 years and their loyalty is now paying off. Yes, I understand we had a horrible season, but you can't look at the QB position and honestly say that's our weak spot. I can't buy that I'm sorry. Again, he's a rookie. Not really trying to make excuses for him, but this really wasn't the greatest of situations to be in to start your NFL career. No deep threat WR, no Offseason, virtually no O-Line, No defense that could get you good field position, yeah, he exceeded expectations. In CP7 i trust. Do you?
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I agree with everything you said about CP7
Nice story.. BTW… Packers are the first 15-1 team to never win a Playoff Game :)
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This needed to be said.
Too many people think he needs to either play like Drew Brees or else we should just cut him.
This next year is going to be VERY exciting. Ponder will have a year under his belt along with a full off-season, we will likely make some moves in free agency and the draft is looking like we will either come out with a top-5 LT or a few extra picks… which would be nice.
We get a few of the right pieces, and we are right back in the hunt.
I can gurantee you one thing.
Christian has won more NFL games then any other QBs entering the draft.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
I have been critical of Ponder
However the odds were definitely stacked against him, no training camp is huge. A whole new offense, which is much more complex than anything in college, and no time to learn it. He didn’t receive any first team snaps until the week after replacing McNabb. There isn’t really much you can run, play-wise, in that situation.
This whole season has been dismal and it really is unique. When I say unique I mean this doesn’t happen every year – when you have a new offense, new head coach, new defense, no training camp and unexpected player drop-offs (Berrian and McKinney to name some of the bigger ones)
I am not willing to let him off the hook though, there is still a lot of room for improvement. I read an interview with Spielman, in it he talked quite a bit about Ponder. Basically Rick is a statistic man, he ran every rookie QB who started X number of games and the stats were eerily similar. He than went on to point out some of the characteristics that guys like Manning have that were able to set them ahead in their next season. Ponder scored well in many of those areas, clearly not a blind throw of the dart pick. Ponder has preformed like most rookies have, what he is able to do next season will be a bigger indicator of how much success he will have in this league.
Also on a side note, I read a Ponder interview as well and he plans to spend almost his entire offseason in Minnesota. Watching film, going through the WHOLE playbook with his offensive coordinator and hitting the weight room. Hard work almost always pays off, he has renewed my hope in him…for now at least.
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
That's the thing a lot of people miss when they about Ponder
The kid is dedicated. He has an outstanding work ethic. He knows he screwed up, he knows why he screwed up and he’s going to work his ass off to make sure those mistakes aren’t repeated.
Ponder Will Be Fine...........
……………..he will get over this rookie mistakes, gain confidence and execute the gameplan well enough. He throws a nice ball, and it would be nice for him to have time to throw it and some receivers to catch it. The Vikings need to decide what to do with Joe Webb. Having him lurk in the shadows as the alternative QB of the future is not productive unless the VIkings really feel they are ready to make that commitment. Until then, that is a distraction that Ponder could do without.
by hoyaparanoia on Jan 16, 2012 7:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Showcase him in the preseason perhaps
Not something I’m advocating, just suggesting what the team might do if they do intend to stick with Ponder. They could possibly trade him for a player that is a need.
However I think they will keep him as the number 2 guy, he has proven successful in relief.
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
by Grape Drank on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
so what would you hope for in a backup QB?
I understand that Ponder is a good kid and a hard worker, but not having a capable backup didn’t work out too well for the jets/sanchize this year. I personally like having a good backup. A young backup. I think a veteran backup may be even more of a distraction, depending on who you bring in.
Hello! We have a backup Qb in
Webb! Qb position couldn’t be more exciting for 2012!
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was responding to the post that mentioned that keeping Webb at backup QB was counter-productive...
We need to get him on the field somehow, and that won’t happen as a backup QB.
Dont fall into that trap..
this isn’t college ball if Webb is content on being a back up QB until his time to shine then that’s ok by me.
Just because he’s athletic, lets not force him on the field to create something that isnt there. Now if this team were the golden gophers then i’m all for it.
If we draft and play the FA correctly then we should have plenty of talent in the positions we need ie. WR, OL, DB. If we are really good we could 2 starting WRs and move Percy to the slot and 3RB think of how great that would be. He could go back to PR/KR too.
by midnightwonder on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
No forcing...
Obviousy, he should be considered in the competition for the starting QB job next year, regardless on what we have invested in Ponder. But should he not pan out at QB, keeping him back there is not the best option.
I agree Bjorno.
If we were to investigate Webb at a non QB spot, well, we need to address the 2nd and 3rd string QB spot closely, and personally I wouldn’t mind a young guy, dude from Texans( brain freeze) would be OK – dang – this team team has a whole shitload of things to address -lol
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
With Rosenfels back on the squad...
We have a good veteran option for number 2.
Now we need a project guy for number 3.
He's stated QB is his natural position
And has no real interest in playing anything else. If he’s not going to pan out at QB for us, he’ll move to another team where he will.
So he would rather ride pine...
than play the game?
I doubt it.
Webb is the kind of guy who will do what it takes to get on the field. If he is not going to succeed at QB, he will consider the move.
Remember, he did choose to go to the Senior Bowl as a WR. He is open to the idea, just prefers QB.
he was invited only as a wr...at least he got a chance to go.
must suck being at a small time school and not getting the exposure.
good for him, i hope he makes it as an extremely well paid qb. some back ups make millions in that role.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Oh I do too...
Webb has done everything right, and he deserves to be paid well and get his chance to shine.
I just hope he shines for us.
Maybe
Until his contract here is up. But I will bet that he wants to be on the field and play and play at his preferred position and if he doesn’t beat out Ponder for the starting spot, you better bet he will leave for a different team that will give him a shot starting.
I know one team that is willing to make him a back up right now..
and that’s the Broncos. Webb’s athleticism is his curse for us I guess (by so many of the commnts around here), but it’s right inline with what the Broncos are doing for Tebow. He could back him up and they wouldn’t have to change their offensive stategy when he comes in the game.
by midnightwonder on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
i say wait and see and continue to evaluate, i have no problem moving in another direction
if ponder continues to struggle next year. he is not a big investment. i am happy to have an open competition between qbs and just evaluate again after next season. no sense hitching the wagon to him for the long haul unless he can prove he is a legitamate nfl qb. and he has a lot of work to do yet to show that.
as for alex smith, i don’t think that is a very good comparison to the vikings situation.
Like I posted at my blog, the 49ers have stuck with their man 6 years and their loyalty is now paying off.he was the top pick in the draft and given a big contract with a lot of guaranteed money. he has now played for 3 different head coaches. he is in his 7th year with 7 different offensive coordinators. the niners were also going to cut him after his 3rd year because he was not panning out. he restructured his deal in order to keep his job and try to go and earn it.
he has had to earn his position every year. i think the same should apply to ponder, he should have to earn it instead of being crowned the future of the team. look at how that has worked for the jets with sanchez, not very well.
also, alex smith has had very pedestrian numbers over the years as well. this year has worked out better for him, i am a big fan of his, but he is not an elite qb. he was not a sure bet at qb going into the year, and was offered a one year deal, and the harbaugh led niners drafted kaepernick to get into the mix, just in case smith didn’t pan out. case in point, he is playing on a $4 million dollar one year contract this year.
i certainly don’t want to wait 7 years to get to the playoffs, and if/when we do, i want a qb who can make legitimate nfl throws, not just the short stuff. also, the niners have a serious defense and have a solid roster without weak units (like the vikings).
the problem is obviously bigger than the qb situation, but the people calling the shots don’t really have my confidence, and they are the ones who reached for ponder at #12 while ignoring the glaring needs we have at o-line and d-back. i’ll take a wait and see approach before gushing over a rookie who has a lot to prove.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
by krinkle on Jan 18, 2012 3:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Say we didn't take Ponder.
Then we’d be in the same situation this year with a different QB. RG3 perhaps, if we were to still have the 3rd pick. That doesn’t change anything. We’d just be a year behind with this process if it went down like that. And what’s up with the “reach” talk. If you see your guy take him! That’s point blank. That’s what the Vikings did and if not for his past injury concerns, he probably would’ve been off the board earlier.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
no, we wouldn't be in the same situation.
we could have drafted 2 stud o-linemen with our first 2 draft picks, and then we would not have the gaping bloody wound known as our current o-line situation. also, we could have brought in a veteran qb (yes, like mcnabb) to run the offense while musgrave fumbled his way along in his first season with a new head coach and mystery offensive system. i’ll bet mcnabb would have been a lot better if there wasn’t some rookie waiting in the wings, that must have killed his motivation.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Huh?
So we’d have no Qb then moving forward? YES we would be in the same situation. We can get an Olineman this year, hoefully Matt Kalil, and that would dramatically upgrade this Oline AND we’d have our QB already. And if Mcnabb was to be bettter, then we’d defenetely be in worst shape now, because we wouldn’t be in the position to draft this high and get a great player with an immediate impact.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
maybe you are under the impression that
christian ponder is some kind of franchise type qb. he is not. he was a reach pick at number 12, he was the 4th ranked qb in his class, a class that was not considered very strong at qb. furthermore, he was widely projected to go in the second round and was ranked anywhere from 30-50 on the big board of draft prospects. meanwhile, there were several blue chip offensive linemen and defensive backs that were available at #12 that would not have been a reach pick at #12. that is what i mean.
also, just because we wouldn’t (theoretically) drafted a qb in the first round does not mean that we would not have a qb right now. that is nonesense. it just means that we might not have one of the top 5-6 qbs drafted in llast year’s draft, and that we would probably have a veteran holding the position while the team attempts to address all of the other major holes on the roster.
this team is in a serious rebuild with roster, coaching staff, offensive system and front office titles. this isn’t going to fix itself overnight, and i don’t think ponder is all that the homers make him out to be. he has a lot of improving to do to become a legitimate qb better than a mark sanchez or colt mccoy. i wouldn’t bank my future on him being anything other than thatw, which is what he has been projected to be by all of the major analysts.
remember, they ran spielman out of miami for his love affair with a.j. feely as their future qb.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
And Tom Brady was rated even lower, some putting him at #10 out of all the QBs in his draft class.
Not comparing Ponder to Brady, just clarifying that Pre-draft rankings mean nothing.
I can give you examples of people who were lauded as a can’t miss pick as the number one overall that did less than Ponder. So the argument that his pre-draft ranking means that he can’t be a franchise QB is balderdash.
Mark Sanchez? Might I remind you that Sanchez had a much worse rookie season than Ponder had, with more weapons, and an actual offensive line?
So Spielman was run out of Miami because of Feeley? I thought he left after Ricky Williams retired, Randy McMichael was arrested, and Dave Wannstedt resigned halfway through the year.
the patriots didn't reach in the draft for brady though, did they?
and the jets did reach for sanchez at number 5. and they have pinned their hopes on him, it’s not looking too good at this point though. so, assuming that ponder is some kind of franchise qb is dumb at this point. that is the point i am making, along with the fact that we could have used our top 2 draft picks last year on other glaring positional needs that have a far greater chance of success when picking highly rated o-linemen, and we would have made mcnabb’s job a lot easier.
btw, some people thought that mcnabb was a great choice for a free agent qb, some people thought that he was a hall of fame guy whose career stats were worth noting up an down. where are those guys now?
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
No, they didn't. Because even they did not know that Brady was a sure thing.
That is what you seem to be missing here. The Ponder supporters are not claiming he is a sure thing. No QB is a sure thing, not even Luck. There are too many variables, from how he fits the Scheme to how he handles fame and fortune.
You seem to think that treating a guy like a franchise QB and trying to groom him as such is the same as whole-heartedly believing that he is the future.
It is not.
Until Ponder has proven otherwise, we are going to treat him like the QB of the future because that is what he is. He is the guy we are grooming to eventually start for the Minnesota Vikings. Whether or not he succeeds all depends on how much work he puts in, how well the offense is tailored to his strengths and how many weapons he has at his disposal. He has just as much chance to fail as any other QB that went in the draft last year.
You are right that in hindsight we could have used our first 2 picks on O-lineman and McNabb would likely have performed better. But we needed to seriously address the QB position, and McNabb was just another stop-gap.
BTW, I was one of those guys who though McNabb was a great choice. Given the similarities to the offense he ran for years in Philly, and the fact that he had more weapons here than he did in Washington, I thought he would perform better. But apparently drafting Ponder hurt McNabb’s ego to the point where he was so mad he could not throw the ball higher than 4" of the ground.
Oh, and you still have yet to present an argument other than “he was the 4th ranked QB in his class” as to why Ponder will not succeed at QB.
Oh, and you still have yet to present an argument other than "he was the 4th ranked QB in his class" as to why Ponder will not succeed at QB.
I have one. Because the pre-draft rankings had him as the 4th QB and he landed on the worst team but somehow still managed to put up good numbers for a rook. or Because he’s a Packers fan. No Mel Kiper.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
So Spielman was run out of Miami because of Feeley? I thought he left after Ricky Williams retired, Randy McMichael was arrested, and Dave Wannstedt resigned halfway through the year.
of all the things you justy listed, acquiring a.j. feeley is the only thing he is accountable for.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
So he was run out of town...
Because he spent a 2nd round pick on a QB that won 4 out of 5 games he had played in and then he didn’t pan out? I doubt that was the reason for him leaving.
That is hardly enough of a gaff to cause a team to jettison their GM. Everyone knows young QB’s are a gamble.
spielman got fired from his last gm job, how are you going to deny that.
Everyone knows young QB’s are a gamble.
i’ll remember those words ;).
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
No I do...
and I know full well that Ponder may not pan out. Just like every other QB drafted, there is a chance he could be playing in the AFL next year.
But to write him off as mediocre just because his pre-draft rankings state he is 4th in the class, and he hasn’t yet played at a pro-bowl level is simply jumping the gun.
i have not written anybody off.
he was a reach pick and was the 4th ranked qb in his class, that is just being realistic. i want him to improve and earn the s[pot and become a great qb, but he has a long way to go, and he is not starting from a blue chip stand point. i just won’t make him out to be something that he is not. i am hopeful, but not a homer.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
When you say things like this:
maybe you are under the impression that
christian ponder is some kind of franchise type qb. he is not.
It certainly sounds like you are writing him off.
Exactly.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
that's because he has to go prove it.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Don't make it sound like you're write him off
BEFORE he even proves anything. And no I don’t think he can even get a fair evaluation in this offense yet. No O-Line, 1 Receiver… You get my point.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
he is not a franchise qb.
he hasn’t proven anything, he had some early success, and then he floundered badly in his 10 games. he needs to show me he can do a lot better before i would call him a franchise qb. is that writing him off? i’ll answer that for you, no, that is not writing him off. that is assessing the current state of affairs without bias.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
he floundered badly in his 10 games.
No he didn’t. Just reading this one line someone would think you are meaning he was bad in all his 10 games. Which is not true. Not trying to make too many excuses because down the stretch he did start to get a bit shaken up and off his game, maybe because injuries started to pile up and our receivers couldn’t catch a cold. But there where still plenty of games where he brought us back, even after a slow start, and gave us a chance to win.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
you are doing it again.
…he had some early success, and then he floundered badly…
see, it’s funny how (r word) selective you just got. you are not worth my time.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
he had some early success, and then he floundered badly in his 10 games.
Ok lets break this down.
He Had some early success. You state that but don’t verify if that’s early success in the season or any give game, then you go on to say that he floundered badly in his 10 games. He only played 10 games! What don’t you get? Like I said that statement is not true and anyone outside of me would think of it the same way I am right now. It’s YOUR job to better your wording to give people the appropriate interpretation not mind.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
10 games is not enough to make him a franchise guy.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
WHAT?
I didn’t say it was. But You did say he floundered in 10 games. And he only played ten games so that means he floundered in every game. That’s the logical interpretation out of that statement.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Saying "He is not" is akin to saying "He will not be"
Sure, he has not proven himself to be our Franchise QB yet. But that does not mean he won’t.
but "he is not" a franchise qb. he is a rookie
who floundered as the season went on. i also never said he “won’t” improve. i also never said he “can’t” improve, i only said what he did and what he is currently…and that he is not, at this timem a franchise qb.
let the kid go earn his job and prove that he can be a full time nfl qb first, then let’s see if he can be a really good one. no sense pumping him up to be something that he might not be able to become. if he does, then great, if he doesn’t pan out, move on.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
We generally agree on the point...
But think of it this way…
If I say Nicholas Cage is not a good actor, that generally means he is not now, and likely will not be in the future.
If you say that Christian Ponder is not a franchise QB, then you are saying that he is not now and likely will not be later.
If you were to say Christian Ponder is not a franchise QB yet, then both UnBanned and I would agree with you.
i don't know that there will be a "yet"
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Hmph
not writing him off my ass. But ok.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Of course not...
Nobody knows the future.
Try giving us the benefit of the doubt here. When we are excited about a prospect, every single one of us here knows that no matter how excited we are, or how much potential that player has; things can go downhill rather quickly.
Nobody ever said he was a sure thing, only that he has played rather well considering the circumstances and there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
that's fine by me.
i don’t mind your brand of tempered optimism. i just tell it like it is, without getting homerish. i get the impression that you are realistic in your optimism.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
"i just tell it like it is"
No you don’t. At all. What you do is pretty up your disdain for Ponder and your opinion that he will never be anything remotely resembling an NFL QB. That is what you are saying and people call you out on it. That doesn’t mean the people calling you out are homers, they are optimistic and are willing to give the kid a chance with the appropriate weapons at his disposal and more than 1 second of protection.
ha, semantics.
that’s like saying that after cage’s little role in “fast times at ridgemount high”, that cage was a hollywood star.
which he wasn’t at ther time. he had to go and make something of himself.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Exactly...
Though I would argue that this season was more Ponder’s Valley Girl than Fast Times.
Fast times was a good movie that Cage played a bit part in. Valley Girl was a mediocre movie that Cage starred in.
Now, Ponder could very well go Leaving Las Vegas on us, or he could go straight to The Wicker Man.
Nobody knows yet.
For the time being he's the
QB this team will stick with going forward. That’s all that matters. Now we just have to find him some help.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
okay, but can we get a little pheobe cates?
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Favre would love to send a picture to her
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
maybe you are under the impression that
christian ponder is some kind of franchise type qb.
Um, Duh, that was the point of this article. He has showed me more upside then downside. I put my faith, unlike you, that the front office made the right choice and chose the right QB and he has shown that he has what it takes to be successful in this league. Are there concerns? Of course, but that’s nothing new from a rookie QB.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Having Ponder on the squad did not help nor hurt McNabb...
After his horrendous season with the Redskins, you would think that he would be motivated to perform at a high level in hopes of attracting interest and a fat contract from another team.
He knew when he joined the team that Ponder was going to be taking the reigns eventually, and that he would only be in Minnesota for one year. This was his year to show that he was a better QB than what people saw in Washington and he simply did not.
i think that may be why he didn't seem very motivated.
all i am saying is that…if ponder were not there, mcnabb might have been more motivated. but, i put a lot of the blame for his lackluster performance on the fact that musgrave was a waffling fool with a new system and no off-season.
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McNabb knew full well he would only be here for a year...
The presence of Ponder had nothing to do with it.
McNabb is the problem, not that he has a rookie behind him.
Waffling fool? I agree there were some odd play calls, but they were better than Chilly-ball.
i think you are getting off the track a little here.
i was suggesting that IF ponder were not on the vikings, that mcnabb may have been more motivated since it would have been his gig, if ponder was not on the roster.
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just forget it. this is just futile.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
it's almost as futile as thinking that a mid level qb prospect is your future.
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Oh so you can see the future?
You just know for sure that Ponder has zero chance of becoming the Franchise QB despite putting up similar rookie stats to some of the great? I’m sorry to break it to you, but Drew Brees would have mediocre stats on this team last year. And as for Mcnabb, he threw 34 yards in one whole entire game. That’s all I have to say about him.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
no, i said that it is futile to assume that he will be your future.
why assume anything? i’ll wait and see, force him into a qb competition in training camp and make him earn it, and then evaluate him after next year.
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But you've clearly already evaluated him.
maybe you are under the impression that
christian ponder is some kind of franchise type qb. he is not. he was a reach pick at number 12, he was the 4th ranked qb in his class, a class that was not considered very strong at qb.
There’s not much more for me to say. It’s RIGHT there ^^
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
yep, he is not. he has to go and prove that he is
before i would crown him anything like that. and yes, he was a reach at #12, and yes, he was the 4th ranked qb in his draft class, and yes, it was not considered a strong draft class.
you seem to need help with reading and comprehension.
like i said, let him go and earn the starting spot and prove himself…are you still confused by this?
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You're not understanding that when you draft
a QB that high, whether you like it or NOT he is the Franchise until he loses his job and a new QB wins it. Maybe you are a bit tispy or a bit queezy in the head, because you seem to can’t accept this.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
not at all, i don't do those types of things.
you have made up several things and tried to attribute them to me. that serves no purpose.
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What "several" things have I made up
and attributed to you? You basically took a personal shot, so I really don’t care or not how you feel.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
read your own comments, they are things
that i did nor say. seriously, just try and read what is being said before blurting out a narrow over generalization of someone else’s comments.
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I asked you questions.
You assumed I was putting words in your mouth. Your fault not mine.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I still dk
what I commented that where i said YOU said this that or that. I made general observations and stated my opinion, yet you took it as, oh, this guy “attributing” things to me that I didn’t say. I DIDN’T say you said ANYTHING. They where my opinion of what I THOUGHT your comments where saying. Get it? Have a good day. Comprehend that.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
you "thought" very wrong.
practice reading the comments, maybe try re-reading them just to make sure.
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I read the comments...
Still don’t see your point.
It’s kind of obvious that you don’t want to accept, despite what ever personal belief you may hold, that teams don’t draft QBs that high to not anoint, rightfully so or not, them the franchise for the time being. Of course he has to actually go out and prove it on the field. That’s not the issue here though, we both agree on that part.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you should re-read it
“agin” as you put it.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
thank you,
my keyboard is sticky on this little laptop. sorry about that.
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Do you think when the Colts select
Andrew Luck that he will not be that franchise the second he is drafted and Peyton’s gone??
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
There you go again with the pre-draft rankings.
Give me a reason, other than what the scouts said about him pre-draft, that makes you think he has any less of a chance to succeed in this league.
you are trying to atttributre your own interpretations to me.
please don’t do that, it is misrepresentative of what i wrote. but for the record, here is what you just said:
Everyone knows young QB’s are a gamble.
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Every young QB is a gamble
hence 50/50. But how you are talking Ponder is a 0/100
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
i aqm not talking like that, you are actin g like the r word.
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also, not all gambles are 50-50 or 0-100.
where do you come up with this gibberish ;).
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Idk maybe the same place you
come up with yours :D
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
but i don't make up stuff and attribute it to others.
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Your mind is pretty much made up.
You’ve already stated Ponder is not a franchise QB. You didn’t even say YET. You just flat out said he wasn’t, which is so short-sighted IMO. And yeah, you still haven’t given a good reason why he can’t be the QBOTF other then the pre-draft crap.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
let him go prove he can be one.
until then, i’ll wait and see and evaluate as we go along. i have no problem moving in another direction if he doesn’t pan out next year, he doesn’t cost very much and would still be a solid back up.
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Of course he's going to have to prove it
but He’s already the Franchise QB and is just working to live up to that name. Get it?
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this sentiment...
But I also agree with Unbanned as it appears you have already written him off.
well, don't run with your impressions.
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or scissors
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Ponder better than Alex Smith so far
Alex Smith 2005 (rookie year): 84/165, 50.9% completion, 1 TD, 11 INT, QB rating 40.8
Alex Smith 2006: 257/442, 58.1% completion, 16 TD, 16 INT, QB rating 40.8
Christian Ponder 2011 (rookie year): 158/291, 54.3% completion, 13 TD, 13 INT, QB rating 70.1
by medicineball on Jan 19, 2012 6:31 AM CST up reply actions
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