Bears Deny Vikings Permission To Talk To Some Guy You've Never Heard Of
by Christopher Gates on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 PM CST
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PrintEDIT: From the "What Goes Around Comes Around File," the Raiders have asked for permission to interview former Vikings head coach Mike Tice for their head coach position. Tice was recently promoted to Offensive Coordinator in Chicago and, because it would be a promotion to head coach, the Bears are not allowed to deny him permission, meaning he's free to interview for the position (and accept it) if he wants to. Boy. . .that's terrible, ain't it? - Chris
Well, when the Minnesota Vikings do finally get around to filling their defensive coordinator position, you can be assured that the person that gets the job will not come from Chicago.
The Bears have denied the Vikings' request to interview defensive backs coach John Hoke for the defensive coordinator position. This is the second time in two years that the Bears have denied a request to allow one of their assistants to interview for a job that would be considered a promotion, as they denied former Vikings' head coach Mike Tice the opportunity to interview for the Tennessee Titans' offensive coordinator job last off-season.
I'm not sure how the rules behind coaching interviews work, but it seems strange to me that someone can simply be denied the opportunity for advancement. Throw in the fact that, as ESPN's Kevin Seifert points out, the Vikings gave the Bears permission to interview quarterbacks coach Kevin Rogers for their offensive coordinator position a couple of seasons ago, and Chicago's actions seem even stranger.
But, in any case, John Hoke will not be the next defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings. Rest assured, we'll give you all some time to get over this heartbreak before we post a new story.
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This is a joke, right?
No one would be telling me where I can or can’t work, let alone interview. Must be a league rule with serious consequences…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM CST reply actions
He's under contract with the bears
It would be like trying to get a player to come over from another team who’s under contract.
Teams are only obligated to grant an interview if the coach in question is a Head Coach candidate.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I was under the wrong impression, then
I thought they couldn’t be blocked from interviewing for anything that would be considered a promotion (position coach to coordinator, coordinator to head coach, etc.)
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Ya NFL rules say only if the promotion is to become a head coach
Makes me wonder if Hoke was even interested in coming over. I bet he isn’t. Otherwise the bears would probably grant the interview, at least I would think they would. Otherwise I’d be pissed if I was Hoke.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
“Teams can block their assistants from interviewing for coordinator positions because that’s not considered a promotion under NFL rules.” – as reported by Tom Pelissero
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
I agree
I’m tired of bears retreads showing up over here….
by michiganpat on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't a question of the front office
being a joke or not able to do anything, it’s definately become that people are concerned if Frazier and the present coaching staff will be around after the end of next season.
Though we may have granted the Bears permission in the past, they aren’t obligated to return the favor, like it or not.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
Has there not beena bit of talk about our DB's coach having DC / HC potential?
Perhaps bringing him up to DC would be an option….
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions
We seemed to have pissed off Bears big time.
First it was the whole Peppers will not play farce..then came the special attention given to Jared Allen as he came closer to beating the record..and now this.
I wonder if the Favre ‘farce’ of last year was big enough to cause such heartburn in Chicago..or is it something else?
Rivalry is one thing..but being douchebags…well..it is the Bears we are talking about, so I guess that answers a lot of questions!
Rivals yes,
But part of me thinks that Hoke didn’t even want to come over. If he did want to come to the Vikes and the bears got in his way, that would create a hostile work environment.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
because they've NEVER had that before.....
it’s all puppy dogs and kumbayah over there…..cough lance briggs cough Olin Kreutz cut couch matt “pay da man” forte cough
by michiganpat on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Players vs Coaches
Apples and oranges in my estimation. Yes they’re all there to perform a job, but I see it being a totally different situation for a coach who might want to pursue a job promotion, vs a player who wants more money.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
There's a difference
between a disgruntled player and a disgruntled coach. The team has much more leverage over a player. No matter how disgruntled the player becomes, he’s still motivated to perform. If he tanks, then his earning potential with another team tanks as well. Plus a team can always trade a disgruntled player. So there’s value to the team in retaining a disgruntled player.
However, there’s vitually no value in hanging on to a disgruntled coach.
You are probably right. He probably did not want to come.
I was only pointing to the general increase of hate, the Bears seem to have towards us. It seems like they are desperately seeking our disapproval…but we seem to not care enough about them to deem them worthy of our ‘special hate’..a.la..ahem…GBPacks..and…NOSaints.
They blocked Tice from interviewing with Tennessee to be their OC last year
Maybe holding on to Hoke is a precaution because they see DC potential for themselves in him?
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
More and more clear
It becomes more and more clear that coach LF wants to find a guy who can get the secondary on track and preferably teach the Tampa-2 defense (no matter DC-experience or not).
Colts and Bears are “extreme” Tampa-2 teams so Jon Hoke and Alan Williams would fit perfectly into LF’s “defense dream” and almost all of the other guys interviewed also have DB coach experience.
6' 3", 209 lbs, long blond hair, moustache and beard.
As a Viking ought to be ;-)
I agree
With Frazier it appears to be “Tampa 2 or bust”
I’m just afraid that while it was effective as dreamed up by Dungy a decade ago, that Frazier may be failing by not dreaming up a newer scheme to counteract the newer threat, which is the barely stoppable 5,000 yard passing attack of many teams that didn’t really exist 10 years ago…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
How about Jim Caldwell then
Colts just canned him. Knows the Tampa 2. Has D-coordinator XP. And I’d imagine he has ties to Frazier.
Seems like the perfect fit.
?
Caldwell has no D-coordination experience. He has been WR-coach, QB-coach, Ass. HC and HC in college and NFL.
6' 3", 209 lbs, long blond hair, moustache and beard.
As a Viking ought to be ;-)
Whoops
My bad. I thought he was the one who replaced Frazier when he left as DB coach, then elevated to DC, then coach.
Sorry.
But why not?
Juan Castillo became Eagles DC.
So IF Caldwell and Frazier know each other (which seems most important in this coaching carousel) it must be a perfect fit ;-)
6' 3", 209 lbs, long blond hair, moustache and beard.
As a Viking ought to be ;-)
Yikes...
If the Eagles would hire out of a crew, then we don’t want anyone in that crew… Reid is toxic…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
We should go after that defensive coordinator from Alabama
Since the Vikings aren’t having any luck getting anyone from the NFL; why not look towards the collage coaches?
I do not even know why Frazier wanted him in the first place
Chicago finished 28th against the pass last year which was worse than the Vikings.
In the end, it is the players that matter the most. Although, the Tampa 2 as it is run here has not been very effective. Sharper left here and played well in New Orleans.
Frazier will end up the DC himself.
players vs coaches
In the end, it is the players that matter the most.
I fully agree with this statement.
In college, a solid group of coaches is necessary, with highly ranked players being a bonus.
In the NFL, it’s the opposite. Player are so good at this stage (or at least should be), all the coaches need to do is stay out of the way and put them in position to succeed. No fancy stuff necessary, if you have the right players.
I'm worried that...
… Frazier is just going to give this to his buddy Singletary and this stuff is all for show anyhow, to make it look like there’s a real search. At any rate, if I was a prospective DC looking in, that’s what I would think.
It seems to me that perception will make it so we can’t get a good outside candidate anyhow. Those kinds of things are self-fulfilling. Even if Frazier thinks he’s doing a real search or thinks it at least looks like a real search, having Singletary there as an inside candidate will make it certain he’ll be the best candidate they interview.
I expect Singletary is going to be the guy, and I don’t see any reason to think it is a good choice. This is the most troubling aspect I’ve seen out of Frazier.
by HammeroftheGods on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM CST reply actions
if that's true..
than we will certainly have new blood in here in the coming years. Now that Speilman is the GM he should be in these meetings also since he will ultimately be determining the salary.
Unless he and the Wilfs have already predetermined a salary, that they are going to pay for a DC regaurdless of name or recognition. It this is true no wonder no one is coming here.
by midnightwonder on Jan 18, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe so...
… I hope Frazier works out, but to me the way hiring decisions are proceeding looks troubling. When guys start giving jobs to their buddies, rather than getting the best candidate, then you’re gong to wind up with a mediocre coaching staff.
Maybe Singletary is a good LB coach, but all the evidence I’ve seen suggests that is about as high up the coaching tree as he deserves to go.
by HammeroftheGods on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
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