New SB Nation Mock Draft Plays Out Ideal Scenario For Vikings
by Christopher Gates on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM CST
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PrintThe good folks at the SB Nation mothership have put out their latest 2012 NFL Mock Draft, and it details what I personally feel would be one of the ideal scenarios for our Minnesota Vikings.
One of the two best possible scenarios would be for USC offensive tackle Matt Kalil to land in Minnesota's lap at #3. However, since the mock is written by Ryan van Bibber, who happens to run our St. Louis Rams blog Turf Show Times (and is, therefore, incredibly and unbelievably biased), he has Kalil going to the Rams at #2.
I'm just kidding. . .RVB isn't biased. Even if he was, Kalil would be a great pick for the Rams, too, so I can't get too bent out of shape over that whole scenario.
So that leaves the other ideal scenario. . .the one where the Vikings hold an auction for whoever wants to move up and draft Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III with the third overall selection. As of now, RGIII falls all the way to the Washington Redskins at #6. . .but with the way things stand now, that's not happening. If the Redskins want Griffin, they're going to have to move up for him and/or outbid some other teams (the Miami Dolphins come to mind).
Now, if the team to move up did turn out to be Washington, it isn't inconceivable that the Vikings could get a pretty decent haul for the third overall pick. According to the good old Value Chart, the third overall pick is worth 2,200 "points," while the sixth pick is worth 1600. (If you go by this particular scale.) In order to make up that difference, the Redskins would have to give up their second round pick (the 39th overall selection). . .or, in a scenario the Vikings might like more, their first round choice in 2013, as a current second round choice is generally given the same value as a future first rounder.
Of course, if the Vikings can manage to start a bidding war, the Value Chart would likely go out the window. . .and the Vikings would get a whole lot more for their pick. Of course, the Rams could end up being the team that holds the auction for the rights to RGIII, in which case we're back to the Vikings taking Kalil third overall.
It's a little more than three months before the 2012 NFL Draft. . .we're going to have a lot of time to mull over these sorts of things, ladies and gentlemen.
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seems we are in a win win situation.
Especially if the Browns want to stop anyone else jumping ahead of us, allow us to swap picks and gain their extra 1st round pick.
In that scenario we could potentially select Reiff, Martin or Blackmon at #4 and then Jenkins, Adams or Floyd with the #22 pick.
wouldn’t that be sweet!?
a guy can dream!
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
I don't see the Vikings getting a haul for RG III
like Cleveland did last year for Julio Jones, because I don’t see anyone that far down needing a QB. Still, though, that would be a great move for the Vikings. I’d personally like the additional first rounder for 2013, but that’s me.
I still think there’s going to be a skill player (and my money is on Ok State WR Justin Blackmon) that scouts will start to drool over at the combine, and his stock will ratchet up to an unreal level, kind of like Jones did last year. And a team that’s drafting from the late teens on will pay a ransom for that #3 pick, like the Falcons did last year.
I’m guessing the Ravens or Broncos as likely candidates. I could even see Denver eyeing RG III, John Elway’s recent statements aside.
We’re sitting in a great spot, kids. Let’s just hope the brain trustcan make the most of it.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
And did I just completely contradict myself within the same post?
Yes, yes I did.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Would like to see us stay within the top 10 if we were to trade down.
with the an additional 2nd rounder we could potentially package both 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st?
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather keep the 2 second rounders if they go that route
Vikes need a lot of help, and two good second rounders goes a long way to filling roster spots.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
If we could come away with an LT, WR and CB in the first 40 picks, i'd certainly be happy!
But I wouldn’t mind seeing Floyd playing in Purple….
I want to see the Vikings surrounding Ponder with the tools to succeed – if that means putting off CB until R3 then i could live with that. We really need to help Ponder out this year.
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I agree if we are able to acquire a Brandon Carr or Laderius Webb type in FA
Then we can go after Casey Hayward in round 3.
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--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Yeah
Those two second rounders would be at the top of the second round. With the second round being on the start of the second day, it would give the Vikes plenty of time to rack and stack their board to get who they wanted.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
What are the two best scenarios?
I just want to make sure I understand correctly.
Scenario #1: Rams take Kalil
Scenario #2: We take Kalil?
Or is the what we do after the Rams take Kalil? Then it becomes:
Scenario #1: We trade down for the auction of RGIII
Scenario #2: We draft somebody?
Or is it some mixture of these two?
#confused
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
my take on it is
that either we get Kalil after Rams trade down or
if the rams take Kalil, then we are now in prime position to reap the rewards of a team wanting RGIII
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
personally
I think Id rather have the auction for RG3 (or Blackmon) but having a LT to protect Ponder or whomever for the next 10 years sounds great too.
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If they swap picks with cleveland and get an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder....
They can still get kalil or Reiff if rams do take kalil. You could have the best of both worlds. Despite what some people say( and i secretly wish for), i don’t think cleveland would give up both of their first round picks this year.
I dont think kalil would fall that far
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Kahil
I’ve been hearing some less than glowing reviews of Kahil, especially in comparison to Reiff.
Don’t be surprised if Reiff is selected before Kahil, whether that’s the Vikings or not.
Won't happen, that writer dislikes USC
Kalil is the best LT in this draft hands down, with Martin second and Reiff third. Then it’s a big drop off.
I think the best two scenarios
are
1) we take Kalil, which is the best player available that simulataneously fills a HUGE need
2) Rams take Kalil, which will leave the Vikes at #3 with RG III and Justin Blackmon on the board. That could be a windfall of picks.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
you know
if Kalil is off the board and we can’t get the trade we want – I don’t think I would totally hate it if Spiderman picked Blackmon.
I know everyone us now gonna call me silly – and I would by far prefer that we got Kalil – but getting Ponder a potentially top caliber WR would be a pretty nice consolation prize…..
of course, trading down and picking up Reiff and extra picks is a nicer one.
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
lol
Spiderman = Spielman
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 1:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I really see the Vikes addressing WR in free agency
I’d be pissed if they took Blackmon.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
of course
if WR is addressed in FA, and I mean a legit #1 WR – not just Jenkins mark II possession receiver, then I wouldn’t draft Blackmon.
by Scottish Viking on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I see blackmon as a bit of a bust…mid first round talent, maybe, but not #3 overall….
If we can’t get anyone to trade up for our pick for RGIII and Kali is off the board, I’d have to go with the top corner (claiborne?) if we can trade down I’d try get martin or reiff and a corner in the first, or maybe that floyd kid from the Irish at WR….
I am against drafting a WR in the first
I’ve read enough articles on how little of an impact they have on improving the teams overall record and how many of them bust out or never live up to the expectations of being drafted first round. The average yards by a first-round WR from 2001-2010 has only been 636 yards with about 4 TD per season.
No thank you please.
That's because
There are a lot of WR’s out there who are fast, which can make for a good receiver in college, but very few that are fast, tall, have good hands, can run routes, and have the instincts to gain separation at the NFL level.
Players of Mosses caliber only come along, uh, almost never…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
All the more reason
Not to waste a first-round pick on a WR! :)
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After addressing LT(reiff) and CB (Morris Claiborne) would make me pretty happy. While I wouldn’t mind getting a stud safety in the draft, I think even just getting a mid level (read: competent) safety in FA will work wonders for our secondary.
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by IABerserker1 on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and then you look at mid round WR's.....
Mike Wallace of the steelers, late 3rd round?
Miles Austin 4th round?
about the only receivers I can think in the last decade that were a good value for their draft position are Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson…Look at megatron, he hasn’t had much of an impact on his team’s record until maybe last year, his 4th season…
by michiganpat on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Kalil is the fallback option
Best thing about this situation is that the Vikings can wheel and deal all they want on the phone, but if somebody leapfrogs all the way up to the #2 to get RG3, then the Vikings aren’t completely stranded, because that means Matt Kalil will still be there. Not a bad consolation prize.
The simplest swap: Vikings trade with Washington for the #6 pick and a second rounder. Because other high draft teams are looking for other needs, Kalil might still be available at #6. If not, take LT Riley Reiff, then a G and a WR in rd 2.
Also enticing: Swap with Cleveland for #4 and #22. Cleveland also gets a good player, maybe Kevin Williams. Vikings get Kalil and a great WR in the first round, then a starting LG in the second round.
Eugh.
I dunno if I’d be okay giving up K-Will in addition to the #3 pick for those selections. That seems like a steep price. I mean, he’s our second best D-lineman aside from Allen. I’m sure its a fair trade, but.. it seems like it would hurt us more than help. Who would replace Kevin? Guion? Fred Evans?
Possibly Ballard, but that seems like a tall order, sending him in as a starter when he’s clearly still developing. And putting him next to Ayodele of all people. I’d rather just keep Kevin and replace Ayodele with Ballard.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 17, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
The thing I love...
… about all these mock drafts, is the fact that EVERYONE is locked in on which team will want to trade up for RGIII. A more likely scenario is that a WR will blow up the combine and someone will trade the boat for his services.
Even if it does happen to be RGIII that everyone coverts, would Cleveland offer the Vikings either their 2nd or 3rd round pick to swap places in the 1st round and therefore ensure they get him? It may not follow any draft scale, but the Vikings could still get their man (either Kalil, Blackmon, or Clairbourne) but with an extra pick later. We could even see someone wanting to trade with the Vikings (assuming they traded with Cleveland for say their 3rd round pick) for Blackmon (assuming Kalil went to the Rams). This could pocket the Vikings even more high draft choices either this or next year and the Vikings still pick in the top 10.
Let us not forget, if the Vikings pocket an extra 1st round pick next draft, then that will probably net Spielman another year at GM, even if the Vikings suck in 2012.
As nice as having Blackmon or Clairbourne would be, I’m hoping that Kalil is available, and that the Vikings renew their interest with Vincent Jackson before the draft and sign him to a deal similar to the one Sidney Rice received last year from the Seahawks (he would be brilliant with Harvin in the slot and Jenkins opposite). We can focus on our defensive backfield and LB positions with the remainder of our higher draft picks. If a ‘should have been drafted much higher but…’ type run stuffing DT is available in the 3rd round (or 2nd if we gain an extra pick via trade), then I would be onboard with that too.
by blowfishes on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah I like the idea of Vincent Jackson
And personally, I like Claiborne a lot more than Kalil as a personal impact guy BUT I think Kalil helps the team more in building our Ponder and hopefully AP and company. Then again with that said, look at last weekend. Defense wins championships so its hard!
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by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
LT is the #1 need for this team
our whole line stunk this year, but I think we have enough servicable guards with Berger, moving charlie johnson inboard, fusco, and maybe even D-love.even if we don’t have hutch or herrera
I’d be open to seeing what D-Love could do at RT, loadholdt IS pretty darn good in the run, but he’s gotta be one of the worst pass blocking OT’s. He has slow feet and poor balance going backwards, and it’s sad to see him dumped on his keister by rushers 100lbs lighter than him.
Draft
If we can not get Kalil then trade with who will give us the most value for our pick. If we should trade down i to think it should be within the top 10 that way we make sure we get a decent LT because while agree with getting Christian some weapons. Our first priority is to make sure he’s upright so he can pass and Adrian or Toby has holes opened up for them. I however do agree with scottish Viking in the senario that if we get 2 2nd R picks we keep them and fill those spots. I have another senario that involves a trade with the Washington Redskins. Our # 3 pick for there # 6 pick & # 36 pick and also Laron Landry there SS. Then with our 2 2ndR’s I myself like Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina with one of the second round picks and with the other Dwight Jones WR North Carolina. Before this i also would have tried tosign F/A Brandon Carr CB K.C. then 3/4th of our secondary would be set nice pieces to go with Winfield our NB and also to have mentors in place to teach Sherrels, Burton and Raymond and also possibly Gilmore. Now if by some act of god Cook comes back to us we will be in really good shape but i’m temporing my inthusiasm in these events because i want to see what we do in F/A.
Since we are doing best case scenario I'll play....
Rams take Kalil, we trade pick to Browns so the ensure they get rg3, then another bidding war ensues for Blackmon and again we trade down…..
Wow, that would be the best of the best
Conceivably, the Vikes could come out of that with two first round and 2 second round picks, or more, depending on who the trade partners are and what they have to offer.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Exactly...
… as I said above. Only you said it in far less words and more in that silly thing we refer to as the English language :)
by blowfishes on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i still think it's going to be Miami, if we trade down...
they move up from (8 or 9) and we get their 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 2013 2nd.
in all honesty, i think the Redskins will go after Flynn. but who the hell knows…
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Is he doing crappy this year?
Because I hope so.
Nope, sorry to burst your bubble, but
Once he got in shape and has gotten better coaching he’s been a monster this year…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
What happens if they do not get any decent trade offers?
What do they do then? What if RG3 is the BPA?
I would take RG3 in that case if I am running the Vikings. Teams may be deciding to call our bluff like Cleveland for example. They may believe that we would not take RG3 ourselves. That is why I would do it.
Once the Vikings have him then the teams will get serious. If not, I can live with him on the team. I do not see Ponder as the answer yet. He has shown flashes and struggled some but that is to be expected. I worry about his durability. But that is just me.
And Webb needs a lot of work. As much as I like him he needs more time to learn how to throw from the pocket better (i.e., reading defenses). Chicago played him smart and did not let him get loose to often. If he ever is the starter for any length of time teams will scale back their rush, spy him, and make him beat them throwing the ball. IMO he does have potential (there is that word again) but he needs a lot of work (i.e., snaps).
So having a player of RG3’s ability is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. A very good thing. The Vikings will be in position to trade any of the 3 QBs for a decent pick or two.
But I would take RG3 to then trade him to a team like Washington or Miami or Seattle or Kansas City (maybe). Once the Vikings select him teams will realize the Vikings were not bluffing and could actually keep him. Maybe at that point, they will get serious with the offers.
I'm not sure that I would take take RG3 for the sake of proving the ones calling our bluff wrong.
That would probably not be the ideal scenario, IMO. I don’t think snagging another QB is worth it, and having two top-12 QBs in a row wouldn’t exactly look all that great, on paper or in terms of the rest of our team’s needs. I wouldn’t sacrifice a top-3 pick for being able to trade a QB for “a decent pick or two”, because that’s about as guaranteed as one of the QBs panning out as a star, which is what they should be if they are top-12 picks.
I would, however, take RGIII if Cleveland would make the trade after we drafted him.
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
LOL! That is why I am not the GM. :)
I might get tarred and feathered before getting run out of town.
I like the THEORY of BPA
But I think that taking BPA is sorta a marketing thing by the college scouts and agents… it’s too much like being sold a bill of goods. It sounds good, but it doesn’t work and won’t win a championship.
As equally important is character (like work ethic, teamwork, etc.) and fit to scheme.
Having said that, I am almost certain we are going to be faced with having to decide if we want to take RGIII or not.
Right now, there are a bazillion teams wanting to bulk up their front line for a better passing attack, so either the Rams will keep him or someone will trade up for Kalil. And lucky us, we then get to choose whether we want RGIII.
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM CST reply actions
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