Early Cumulative Draft Rankings: 2012 Top 10
by CCNorsemen on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 PM CST
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So, the 2011 NFL season is almost over, and it has been over for our beloved Vikings for almost 3 weeks now. With the January 15th deadline to declare for the NFL Draft behind us, there has been a lot of early speculation about what the Vikings should do with their #3 draft pick. Here are DN, we’ve had lots of lively discussions already about potential draft day scenarios. So, after scouring the internet for various draft rankings, I decided to average all of these early rankings into a cumulative draft ranking to see what kind of consensus (if any) there was about the top 10 draft rankings. Check them out after the jump.
Cumulative Top 10 Ranking
1. Andrew Luck, QB (Unanimous)
2. Matt Kalil, T (Unanimous)
3. Morris Claiborne, CB (4.4 Avg)
4. Trent Richardson, RB (4.6 Avg)
5. Robert Griffin III, QB (4.9)
6. Justin Blackmon, WR (5.6 Avg)
7. Riley Reiff, T (7.7 Avg)
8. Quinton Coples, DE (8.6 Avg)
9. Jonathan Martin, T (11 Avg)
10. David DeCastro, G (12 Avg)
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CBSSports |
ESPN |
NFL.com |
Walter |
Mel Kiper |
Draftcount |
Drafttek.com |
Avg |
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Andrew Luck, QB |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
#1 |
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Matt Kalil, T |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
#2 |
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Robert Griffin III, QB |
#3 |
#6 |
#3 |
#3 |
#6 |
#5 |
#8 |
4.9 |
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Morris Clairborne, CB |
#4 |
#3 |
#6 |
#6 |
#4 |
#3 |
#5 |
4.4 |
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Riley Reiff, T |
#5 |
#7 |
#8 |
#13 |
#7 |
#8 |
#6 |
7.7 |
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Justin Blackmon, WR |
#6 |
#9 |
#4 |
#4 |
#5 |
#6 |
#3 |
5.3 |
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Trent Richardson, RB |
#7 |
#4 |
#5 |
#5 |
#3 |
#4 |
#4 |
4.6 |
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Devon Still, DT |
#8 |
#21 |
#16 |
#19 |
#11 |
#16 |
#7 |
14 |
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David DeCastro, G |
#9 |
#15 |
#11 |
#15 |
#13 |
#7 |
#14 |
12 |
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Dre Kirkpatrick, CB |
#10 |
#8 |
#10 |
#8 |
#24 |
#14 |
#12 |
12.3 |
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Quinton Coples, DE |
#12 |
#5 |
#7 |
#10 |
#8 |
#9 |
#11 |
8.9 |
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Jonathan Martin, T |
#11 |
#10 |
#9 |
#7 |
#9 |
#12 |
#19 |
11 |
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Luke Kuechly, ILB |
#18 |
#13 |
#13 |
#9 |
#10 |
#15 |
#10 |
12.6 |
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Mark Barron, S |
#36 |
#14 |
#26 |
#33 |
#18 |
#10 |
#22 |
22.7 |
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Michael Floyd, WR |
#13 |
#20 |
#15 |
#17 |
#22 |
#22 |
#9 |
16.9 |
Conclusion
What is interesting to me, is that the first 8 names on the list are consensus top 10 guys. That's a lot of consensus. I also find it interesting that Andrew Luck and Matt Kalil are #1 and #2 respectively for every single ranking. Are both guys really that much better than everyone else? Keep in mind, this is an early ranking and we haven’t had the scouting combine, pro days, or individual workouts yet, so most rankings are based on college career stats, and film study at this point. Heck, the Senior Bowl is still over a week away. So, after seeing this early cumulative ranking, who should the Vikings draft at #3? Well, if they followed this ranking religiously, they would select Morris Claiborne, CB out of LSU. I can’t say that I would be terribly upset with that pick, especially if Matt Kalil is already off the board. That said, like many of you here, I think we could easily trade down a few spots to acquire a pick or two, and have a very good shot at guys like Riley Reiff, Jonathan Martin or even Justin Blackmon. It’s way too early to tell if these rankings will hold up over the next few months, but I am definitely going to revisit this ranking after the combine to see how they change. Players will continue to rise and fall on various rankings all the way up until draft day. But either way, we're in a really good position to load the roster with talent.
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Should be interesting to see how these rankings change after pro-days and the combine happen.
by CanadianViking on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I want you all to say one thing out loud before you vote WR over DB
“The 2012 Minnesota Vikings had the 2nd worst past defense in the history of the NFL.”
I think we should draft...
RG3, just so we could force a trading frenzy with whomever wants him. it would shock the world that we took him, and shock some team into giving us the world, (walker) in future picks for him. we could have him traded by the 5th pick at worst….
This is the new world of the NFL draft…. draft, then trade….
And if no team takes the bait
we’re stuck with drafting a QB two straight years in a row.
☠★☪Creator of http:/vikescity.info/ and dedicated DN reader.
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 18, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
And we look as stupid as the guys who attend Wisconsin beauty pagents.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jan 18, 2012 9:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
or Just the Packers
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 18, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I voted for Reiff
I think LT is by far our biggest need, we will not pick up a franchise left tackle in later rounds or in free agency.
I believe by the time the combine is over
Jonathan Martin will be the #2 OT in the draft.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Personally I don't watch college football
But I have heard that sentiment from quite a few people
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
by Grape Drank on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
i think just the opposite
Reiff was the consensus #3 OT for a long time, and now he’s finally breaking through.
after the combine, i think Reiff will be the clear-cut #2, and will actually close the gap on Kalil (yes, i said it).
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Thats cool
I have no problem with differing opinions. But having watched both players, on the national stage, clearly Martin is more technically sound than Reiff. In Reiff’s defense, he started out as a DE, then was moved to TE and finally ended up at OT, so presumably he has a high ceiling. But Martin has been performing at a high level consistently for a few years now. Martin is more polished and ready to start on day one than Reiff is.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
i think they're both Day 1 starters...
…personally, though, Reiff seems to be more “complete” in both run support and pass protection.
this is a debatable point, but i think Martin benefited from Luck’s quick release (as Charlie Johnson did in Indy with Manning’s quick release).
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Stanford is a run first team
And they run a lot of play action and roll out/bootleg type plays. They also do a lot of unbalanced line stuff so Martin has exerience in doing it all, and he can do it all very well.
I saw Reiff get completely worked vs Oklahoma. Including by one of the Sooner’s reserve defensive linemen.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
i never said Martin wasn't a superior run blocker
i pointed out his pass protection might be overrated due to Luck’s quick release.
and it isn’t prudent to chalk up a player based on one game, whether that game is good or bad (which every player ultimately has).
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I never mentioned run blocking
I said they run play action, as in play action pass plays, and roll out/bootleg pass plays.
Youre absolutely right about using one game as a barometer. But, not only did Reiff get beat frequently, he demonstrated poor technique, e.g. poor footwork and poor hand placement. Conversely, Martin showed sound technique in Stanford’s BSC game. Technique is something that won’t change from game to game. It takes years to develop technique. What will change from game to game is effectiveness. Reiff may have gotten away with poor technique vs inferior opponents, but vs NFL caliber rushers, such as Oklahoma’s Frank Alexander, he clearly struggled.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
i misunderstood, you mentioned them as a run-first team
i thought you were implying Martin has good run-blocking skills (which he does). i have read Martin needs to polish his footwork, but other than that he sounds good. i am still hesitant on his pass protection for the reason i stated, though.
as for Reiff, he absolutely has things to work on, but his ceiling is high, IMHO.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
my bad, I see what you mean
Well it’s two comments based on 2 things you argued. One, you said that Martin benefits from Luck, I think every Stanford player did so you do have a point. I was trying to say that Stanford is a run first team, so many of their pass plays are play action and rollout/bootleg passes, which typically are longer developing plays, forcing the linemen to sell a run block, then pass block longer than on a regular 3 or 5 step drop pass play.
Then you said that you never doubted Martin’s run blocking, so I thought you read “they run play action” and thought I meant running plays.
Either way, both Martin and Reiff will be taken in the first round. If we miss out on Kalil and we decide we are going to trade down, Martin and Reiff will be a nice consulation if it also means an additional 1st or 2nd round pick. I just happen to currently favor Martin over Reiff. It’s still early…
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
and that's a valid point:
It’s still early…
i think i favor Reiff since i saw him play a lot this season. the combine and pro day results could sway me.
when it comes down to it, though, i really don’t care so long as we end up with one of the top three: Kalil/Martin/Reiff.
i’m finalizing my first mock, and i’d love to have an extra 2nd rd pick in there somewhere. trading down out of #3 is the easiest way to get that, but the more i think about it, the Rams are probably going to have that already taken care of. the whole cutting Jason Smith thing isn’t finalized, and they could probably be just as happy with Martin/Reiff + more picks as they would be with Kalil.
i was on the train of “trade down regardless”, but if Kalil falls to us, i’m easing into the no-brainer mentality.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Great idea CC
I hope you update this throughout the Mock Season. And I think Canadian is correct, RG3’s average is 4.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I will definitely update it periodically
Probably not every week or anything, but maybe once a month until Draft Day. It’s worth mentioning, these are player rankings that are averaged, not Mock Drafts.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Ya maybe like after the all-star games this month
And after the combine next month.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
And it's only the top 6 names who are concensus top 10
Reiff whose average is 7, was rated #13 overall by Walterfootball. Quinton Coples whose average is 8, was rated #11 by drafttek.com.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
certainly depends on where you look
Reiff is Draft Nasty’s #1 ranked OT.
different sites give different perspectives.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I was replying to CC's conclusion
He stated that the top 8 names were concensus top 10 on all 7 sites that he reviewed. I was simply pointing out that Reiff was rated #13 overall by walterfootball and Coples was rated outside of the top 10 by two of the five sites, therefore those two players were not consensus top 10.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
i wasn't arguing against you
just saying how it’s interesting how different sites rank some players.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
You're right
I worded it incorrectly. I should have said, “The top 8 names are the only ones that average out as consensus top 10.” The average ranking of Martin and DeCastro falls out of the top 10. But yes, if you’re going strictly by “consensus” then only the top 6 fit the bill. Looking at the average though, Riley Reiff and Quinton Coples slide up into the top 10.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Cool job be interesting to see how many take a dip at the combine.
It always amazes me how much the combine means to the draft. Anyway I’m for BPA if we don’t trade. Pick the best player left and know you got someone who could be very special, and not in the short bus kind of way…
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
One other suggestion CC
It looks like the chart has the players listed by their rankings on CBSsports. Could you list them in your chart by their overall average? In other words:
No. 1 Luck
No. 2 Kalil
No. 3 Claiborne
No. 4 Richardson
No. 5 RG3
No. 6 Blackmon
No. 7 Reiff
No. 8 Coples
No. 9 Martin
No. 10 DeCastro
No. 11 Kirkpatrick
No. 12 Kuechly
No. 13 Still
No. 14 Floyd
No. 15 Barron
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
I could
When I started making the table, since I went to CBS first, that’s the order I went with for names. I just added names to the table as each ranking included other players that CBS, etc didn’t have in their top 10s. It’s a formatting issue, I can certainly change it if you want me to. The important list is the Top 10 above the table though.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
You dont have to, its just a suggestion
Either way, great idea and I appreciate the work!
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Question for all
Are there any obvious websites I missed for the player rankings? I hoped I hit most of the big ones, and a few lesser known ones in order to get a good smattering of opinions. It’s mostly a list of the websites that merely showed up first in a simple google search. I noticed that rj-b mentioned “Draft Nasty” as another source, and I didn’t run across them. Any others I absolutely SHOULD add to the list, or any on there that I should take off?
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
You can also use Wes Bunting on National Football post
Some of his rankings will really scew things. He has Jonathan Martin ranked 67 overall.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
10 is a good even number
If you can find Todd McShay, that would be good to counter Mel Kiper. Mike Mayock usually gets into all this. The SBNation’s site Mocking the draft is another good resource.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Mike Mayocks rankings are usually pretty solid. I'm also a fan of ProFootballWeekly's rankings but I'm not sure if they're up yet.
by CanadianViking on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Mayock is the best, IMHO
never really got into McShay’s analysis, and Kiper is… well, Kiper.
CCNorsemen — DraftNasty’s big board is here — not sure if they’re complete with their evaluations yet, though.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I'm lucky because I don't get a ton of ESPN coverage here so I miss most of their hype and rely on Mayock, websites, and a few magazines.
I’ll definitely agree with you on Mayock being the best as well. I love the fact that he’s actually got strong opinions on players rated #1 all the way down to those that are UDFA talent level. It seems like he approaches the Draft like a real GM would rather than the other guys that have ratings and self-promotion in mind.
by CanadianViking on Jan 19, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome if Indy and St. Louis were to follow this board
We would be sitting pretty with Luck AND Kalil still on the board at #3.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Mayock won't release his until right before the draft
But, if I can find it sooner, I’ll be sure to incorporate it.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Not an insider
If I could get McShay’s I would, but nobody has reposted it yet. I was able to get Kiper’s because Blecherreport recently did a player-by-player critique of the ranking, so I was inadvertently able to get the ranking from that source. Anyway…I’ll put up what I can find, and good suggestion on the SB Nation rankings. Gotta use the mothership!
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
McShays top 20 out of 32
1 Luck
2. Kalil
3. RG3
4. Richardson
5. Coples
6. Claiborne
7. Reiff
8. Blackmon
9.Kirkpatrick
10. Kuechly
11. Martin
12. Brockers
13. Branch
14. Barron
15. DeCastro
16. Upshaw
17. Ingram
18. Floyd
19. Burfict
20. Tannehill
He has Still @ 21 and Jeffery @23
by VikesFanInTulsa on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
here's a new website I found today
http://draftheadquarters.com/player-rankings-big-board.htm
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
Bucky Brooks also has his big board up at NFL.com
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
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