Vikings Offseason Plan – Offense edition
Time for some speculation! I tried to do this quite a few years back when I set out my plan for who the Vikings should take with each draft pick. That was in 2008 when we traded for Jared Allen so my many hours spent researching were wasted as my whole plan was destroyed (but hay I’m pretty happy with the outcome of that trade so I’m not complaining). Being in the UK I do not have many opportunities to talk to other Vikings’ fans therefore I decided to vent my thoughts on here instead.
Now moving onto 2012 and what I think we should do to drag us out of this awful season. I am forever the optimist, especially when it comes to my favorite sports team, so many of my views may be seen through rose tinted spectacles rather than the results on the field but oh well, its my article and no one else’s. I am going to look at each position and express my thoughts and views on their performance and then look at what we should do in the offseason.
QB
Yes, I did realize that we needed to draft a QB last year but I also knew we would bring in a veteran signal caller. Therefore when the no12 pick came around I got excited about the potential talent we cold draft. I was thinking along the lines of Prince Amukamara, Nick Fairley or Nate Solder with the idea of drafting Andy Dalton in the second. And then Ponder’s name was read out! My initial reaction was one of shock and disappointment as the pick really took me by surprise.
However, I researched more into Christian, spoke to the QB on my team and being a Viking fan got behind and made sense of the pick! And yes it did make sense. It made even more sense after the first few games he played in and I was very optimistic about the pick and thought it could be seen as a positive turning point for many years.
Then the second half of the season happened, where I saw a regression of his game. This downturn may have come from shell shock from playing behind a porous line, the injuries that mounted up or just rookie mistakes but it started to worry me and by the end of the season I found myself jumping on the start Webb band wagon.
This leaves me with conflicting thoughts of what to do with this position. Am I intrigued by the skills and potential that RGIII has! Most definitely. I know we drafted a QB in the first round last year and convention says we shouldn’t do that again but here is hoping we never have a draft pick this low again. With the 3rd overall pick we need a game changer and someone who can positively affect the franchise for a decade to come and Griffen could be that man. Look at how well Cam Newton performed and I have RGIII’s potential as higher. (Plus how much fun would he be to play with on Madden) Therefore if his name is read out on draft day, then I will understand and support the decision. But I do not see this happening. By their very nature, head coaches and front room staff are proud people and unlikely to admit they made a mistake drafting ponder and replace him the next season (plus it is too early to decide on that). They wont spend an early draft pick on a QB so speculation is irrelevant (yes I just wasted 2mins of your life! Im sorry).
With that in mind I think we have an open, and yes I mean open, contest in training camp where Spiderman and Ponder can duke it out to see who will lead this team. With a full offseason schedule and a better OLine can ponder be a franchise QB? In a word, yes! He has shown potential and seems to have the brains to figure it all out. But I feel that Webb brings and energy to the field that cannot be ignored. Could he sustain his 4th Quarter heroics through a full season? Maybe, maybe not but I feel he has earned a shot at the job.
As a final note, let’s leave Sage as our 3rd QB. We have 2 young QBs and need all the draft picks we can get to improve other areas.
RB
This is both the most exciting and scary position on our rooster. It has the potential to be the best RB tandem ever. Toby really stepped up this year and I feel he has earned the right to take his fair share of carries from AP. This would keep both fresh and effective, while giving defenses different styles to contend with. It takes a distinctive defense to stop a wrecking ball and a different one to stop a rocket. I would say a split of roughly 60% of snaps to AP, 30% to Toby, leaving 10% for situations where we use Webb or Harvin. I would like to see Musgrave work on ways of getting them both on the field at one time! Pro style formation with both RBs in the backfield is something I’d be interested in, or add in Percy, in a full backfield and you have the potential for something really dangerous.
But here is the dilemma. Both top RBs are injured. Toby should be back well in time for training camp (I know, I’ve been through an MCL tear, and without all the resources he will have, was back playing, granted at a low standard, in that time frame). Therefore I do feel that he can carry the load while we are waiting for Peterson to get back to 100%. Speaking of AP, the injury is very worrying. AP is my fav player, I have his Vikings shirt, his Oklahoma shirt, he is my laptop wallpaper and even on my iphone cover (yes I am a little obsessed). Do I believe that he, more than anyone, can recover from this injury? Hell Yes! But ACL tears can be debilitating. Just look at the step that Griffen has lost! We have invested a large salary in Peterson so we should not rush him and wait until he is back to his full, powerful, self. If that means waiting half a season, so be it. Toby has proved he can more than capably cover for him and Harvin can get more looks at RB as well.
Now onto offseason plan at this position. As an optimist I expect AP and Toby to heal up, therefore it is not a huge need. Caleb King could fill in as a backup for a while or we could take a flier on a late rounder or RFA. Hopefully the OLine will improve and the holes will be bigger so having a slightly less explosive RB for a few games wont hurt us to bad.
Out of the box thought: LT or Chester Taylor! One year contract to spell the gap at the start of the season before the boys get back! Crazy? Maybe, but who can honestly admit they wouldn’t be intrigued by this provided the price is right!
WR
I honestly don’t think that this core is as bad as people are advertising. As I have been saying for a few years I think we are a legitimate no.1 receiver away from it falling into place. Yes we do need a genuine deep threat that can keep defenses honest and open up holes for others. Look what happened when Rice was that guy, all the other receivers looked better! Jenkins looked good when on the field and could excel as a true, no.2, possession receiver who helps move the chains and can be a go to guy when we really need to move the ball. That leaves Percy to work the slot and be the Swiss army threat that he has been this year (and boy do I love watching him play). The rest of the receivers then fall into the category of depth. The District Attorney (yes I cant spell his name) can return for the right price and I am intrigued by what Arceneaux can do.
So who is this no.1 WR that we need and how do we get him! Blackmone could definitely be that guy. He looks like a fantastic talent and would be the perfect man to add to this young group. However, taking a WR with the no.3 pick is a luxury that I feel we can ill afford. Therefore if we are going to grab a receiver in the draft I feel it should be with a later pic! If we trade back then that could free up a draft pick to take a WR earlier but at the moment I feel 2nd round is the earliest we should look in this direction and even then I would be more comfortable with the 3rd. Here we could take Reuban Randle, L.S.U., Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, or Dwight Jones, North Carolina..
That leaves us with free agents. There is actually a wealth of talent at this position. Lets rule out some of the top FAs as it might be a hard sell to get them to come to a 3 win team with a 2nd year QB. That means no Colstons (tho I would love him), Vincent Jackson or Desean “all about me” Jackson. They will likely want to go to contenders. Reggie Wayne could be a fantastic stopgap while we develop someone to inherit this position. He definitely has at least a couple more years of productivity in front of us and could act as a mentor to younger players. However, he may demand a high salary as its likely to be his last big pay check. If we can get him for the right money, pull the trigger. My research shows that Steve Johnson is a free agent but he is too erratic and that is not what we need with out QB situation. Jerome Simpson is an idea but that might just be on the back of that incredible front flip and not on actual play, but hell it would be fun to watch his acrobatics. Bowe and Garcon are two players that I would definitely target but again I don’t think they would choose us.
So finally here is my FA plan. Get the combo of Laurent Robinson and Robert Meachem. These players are not no1 receivers at the moment but without a better option, I think they might have the potential to fit our system and develop into a threat. Dallas have a lot of money invested in Miles and Dez so probably can’t bring Robinson back as well. He ran a 4.38 at the combine so can stretch the field and after his breakout season has shown he has the skills to perform. As he has little else on his resume than this year he could be got for a discount price in the hope that this season was the real him. Is it a bit of a flyer? Yes but boy does it have some upside. Meachem is very much the same as Robinson. He has shown flashes of talent, but in the loaded WR core that NO has, he has yet to shine through. Could he perform in a less talented set? I think he could do. If we added both of these guys then I think there would be minimal cap hit compared to the potential and if at least one of them flourished then we could have a good to great group.
TE
First and foremost, in this section I have to say a heartfelt thank you to the model professional to the people’s champ, Jim Kleinsasser. You have been an underrated player for this team for as long as I’ve supported them. Enjoy your well-earned retirement.
Onto the current crop of TEs. Lets start with Shiancoe. He has been a good player for us, fantastic in 2009, but he is probably due his paycheck for putting in the hard work. If it could be the Vikings who give him that then it would be great and I’d love to keep him around but in a year when we have more glaring needs this is unfortunately a luxury we cannot afford. Sad to see him go but thanx for all the red zone TDs. On the positive side Kyle should be able to fill his shoes. His catching ability is sensational, one-handed catches seem easy to him. As he was a rookie, I expect him to develop in the technical areas over the summer so I am hoping he comes back as a rounded TE who can be in there on every play, blocking and catching when we need him.
I am not as big a fan as Musgrave is of the double TE formation but if we are going to stick with this then we will need another reliable catching TE. This can come from one of two sources. A late round draft pick or FA. Now Hernandez was drafted in the 4th and if we could find someone like him in 4th/5th then we would be in great shape. This might be unlikely but using a 3rd day pick on a TE could end up paying dividends for Ponder/Webb.
The other option is to look at FA. As we have Kyle as our heir apparent I don’t see us going after a top TE (although it would be fun to steal Finley from the enemy). What we need to look for is another Shiancoe. Someone that not many people have heard of, but has the skills to be a factor in the pass game. Looking at the list of free agent TEs I personally have not done enough scouting to name a single target to look for. This is for our new/old GM, Speilman to earn his paycheck doing so I will leave it to him. I have heard Tamme’s name banded around a bit and would not be against this.
OL
Now I can in no way claim to be an expert in this field so I am unlikely to come up with any innovative ideas here. As everyone knows this should be the Vikings main offensive area of focus this season. A good OLine will help our rookie QBs in the passing game while opening holes in the run game.
The draft is a perfect way to rebuild this unit. If Kahil is available with the 3rd pick then he could anchor this line for the next decade. Take him and never look back. The only reason not to is if we could trade back one position with the Browns so they can pick up RGIII before anyone else. Moving back only one position we would then essentially get the guy we want, while acquiring extra draft picks (but this is probably just a dream scenario). I would even go as far as to draft a OG in the 2nd round. Looking at who could be available we could choose from the likes of:
Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
Amini Silatolu, Midwestern St.
Brandon Washington, Miami (FL)
Yes we have other holes on the depth chart but a strong OLine can go a long way to mask other problems that we have. This would leave a line looking like:
T – Kahil, Loadholt
G – Johnson/DeGeare/Herrera/2nd round pick (not shore which to start here)
C – Sullivan
As you can probably tell this means that I am cutting Hutchinson. Nothing personal, he has been a great player for us but his cap now outweighs his performance. That line now has the foundations of a strong unit. If we then go after one of the top FAs this could move from good to great. Throw a lot of money at Carl Nicks. This is a position where I don’t might overpaying, as the external benefits can be massive. If he won’t come then lets look at Grubbs from Baltimore or Bell from Buffalo. The FA class is not deep at OT or OG but lets make a real push and then add in the draft and this could be the first giant leap in turning this team around.
Potential Offense
QB – Webb/Ponder, Sage
RB – Peterson, Gerhart, King/Late draft pick/RookieFA
WR – Robinson/Meachem, Jenkins, Harvin, Arceneaux, Aromashodu/Burton
TE – Rudolph, Tamme/Late draft pick, Reisner
FB – do we need one??? Left a space at TE so we can get a TE/FB hybrid
T – Kahil, Loadholt, Love, Johnson
G – Nicks, DeGeare, Herrera, 2nd round pick
C – Sullivan, Fusco
So there we have my views on the offense. If you have made it this far then well done. It definitely became a lot longer then I thought it was going to be and has been a great distraction from college work. I will try and write my view on defense another time and write down my dream draft!
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Fantastic work, rec'd
And I completely agree with retiring Hutch. He’s had a great career for the Vikings and should go down in the HOF, but he just can’t stick with the young talent that Chicago, Detroit, and Green Bay have anymore.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions
Offense
I would let Herrara go also that frees up some more money towards free agency and or the draft he is a liability and he is injured to often. The offensive line i could invision is: LT kALIL LG Nicks C Sullivan RG Johnson RT Loadholt/Love. This Offensive line looks pretty good to me. I think 3rdR Brandon Mosley OG. I agree with picking up Meachum and why not try to get Manningham i think he would be a good pick up.
I think Adrian will be ready by the 4th game of the season the way he rehabs.
Nicks is going to want a good chunk of cash...
But I think he is money well-spent.
I would be happy with Laurent Robinson, but I am still not certain he can be that #1 guy. Certainly a good red-zone threat… But #1? Maybe. He is an upgrade none-the-less.
I would be more interested in Colston or Jackson, but they would also cost a lot.
I agree
I would love Colstons or Jackson but just realistically don’t think they will come to bikes unless we massively overpay, hence why Robinson could be the best value option and i believe he has the potential to become a no1 guy in the right situation
The biggest Viking fan in the UK!!!
Pretty much on board with your plan.
Releasing Hererra and Hutchinson would be my first move which would free up 9,600,000 in salary which is pretty close to what it should take to sign Nicks. Signing Nicks and drafting a LT would dramatically improve the offensive line and would be a great move if the Vikings can pull it off. Nicks will be getting a ton of offers though, so the Vikings will have to offer him a dump-truck full of money on day1 of Free agency or he’ll be gone.
The other offensive FA I’d love for the Vikings to go after is Stevie Johnson. Reports were that he was looking for a contract around 7.5 million which is actually pretty reasonable for a WR his age with solid stats. Other WRs that would be nice pick ups would be Pierre Garcon and Meachem or Robinson like you mentioned. Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson, and Desean Jackson are out there as well but they all have some red-flags for me. Colston is great but he seems to get injured every season and spending big money on a WR that’s got a history of injuries isn’t a good plan. Bowe and the Jacksons are great talents but they’re all about the money and have questionable attitudes so I’d steer clear of them as they’d be risky pick-ups in my opinion.
by CanadianViking on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions
Yeh i think we will need 2 seriously overpay Nicks but we need another Hutch to anchor the line and make every1 else on it better! plus outside of him i can not see too many top class FA Oline.
I like stevie Johnson enough! he is certainly entertaining but i think he is too much of a loose canon! for that money and if les can install a bit more discipline in him then yeh we should go 4 it. Colston is great and would love him but if we went for him I think we would also need to pick up a real burner who could scare defences on the outside based on pure speed (basically a good Berrian lol). agree with thoughts on Bowe/Jackson.
The biggest Viking fan in the UK!!!
Great Article!!
I thought that it was interesting that you listed Webb ahead of Ponder on the depth chart . Don’t forget Mickey Shuler at tight end and Ryan D’Imperio at the fullback position.
Wow this is y your in the UK
Your plan makes no sense. For starters basing your logic just so you can play with a guy on madden is retarded. Ponder did regress last year with a mediocure WR core, Harvin and Peterson were the only real threats on that entire Offense. Bringing in a host of free agents has never been the vikings moto they wanna build through the draft and not with their check book during the offseason. Laurent Johnson and Colston are decent players but just because u run a 4.38 40 time doesnt make you a #1 WR in this league and colston you take him outta the saints offense he is a average WR drew brees makes him great just like farve made this WR’s great. If this team starts anywhere you are right in a few aspects I think drafting Kahlil is the safe pick at 3 and a way to shore up ur line for a few years. in the 2nd a guy like Jeff Fuller, Mohmammad Sanu, Alshon Jeffery would be great here. But let the NFL fight over RGIII if the guy is good great good for him, but if ponder regresses again this year u better take a good look at Matt Barkley or Landry Jones Next years top QB prospects
Yes it does make sense!!!!
1stly the Madden thing was clearly a joke!!! (hence y it was in brackets i mean really lol) and i even said that we wouldn’t draft a QB i was just saying that RGIII was an intriguing option! Now onto the 40time thing! i only said that to support the fact that Robinson could stretch the field, i also said his performance this year shows he has the skills to be a good player! I still think Colstons is a good player and not just Brees making him great.
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Bernard Berrian need I say more
Childress brought berrain in to strecth the field how did that work
by mad_wacker39 on Jan 22, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, pretty well. But then he lost his speed (injuries and age) and became totally useless.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 26, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
F/A Draft
I think OT needs to be our 1st round pick this year but evwn before that in F/A you need to get Carl Nicks OG then you already have Sullivan put Johnson at RG or as a back up then either get rid of loadholt or make him the back up and give Love a chance at RT. I think we two third round picks this year so maybe they draft Brandon Mosley OG i believe he’s from U.M. WR position I like the Robert Meachum idea then i think with other 3rd round pick we draft a Fuller or Jones. I also think we should go for Manningham WR in F/A he is comparable to Colston in a lot of ways. I like the sound of this recieving core Meachum,Harvin,Manningham, then Rudolph at tight end. I would also like to see what Arceneaux could do that kid we signed out of Canada I think our RB group will be ok. I can hardly wait to see what Ponder or Webb can do with a full preseason and ota’s and for the coaches to install the whole play book this season speaking of coaches Musgrave better learn quick how to use the weapons Speilman gets for him. There wont be any excuses this year for calling the blazer please get rid of that formation or get another OC.
I agree about getting Nicks
I think we will have a good chance in signing him because I mean who wouldn’t wan to run block for AP? To me he’s the best LG in the league since the decline of Hutch and adding him would help put our rookie LT a lot. We will have to overpay for his services with all the competition going after him but it will be worth it.
One last thing, we need someone to block Suh on the inside and Nicks has done a great job against him head to head.
FA comin' & goin'
with a plethera of viking free agents likely to be movin’ on there will be some $$$$ available to acquire some of those free agents comin’ off their rookie contracts … here are those i would look at very seriously, i feel as though any and all could solidify the purple for the next 5 – 10 yrs …
Carl Nicks … Left Guard … College: Nebraska
Age: 26 … HT: 6’5" … WT: 343# … EXP: 4 yrs
Dwayne Bowe … Wide Receiver … College: LSU
Age: 27 … HT: 6’2" … WT: 221# … EXP: 5 yrs
Curtis Lofton … Middle Linebacker … College: Oklahoma
Age: 25 … HT: 6’0" … WT: 242# … EXP: 5 yrs
LaRon Landry … Strong Safety … College: LSU
Age: 27 … HT: 6’0" … WT: 220# … EXP: 4 yrs
Brandon Carr…CornerBack…College:Grand Valley St
Age: 25 … HT: 6’0" … WT: 207# … EXP: 3 yrs
now the one absolute i feel from the draft is “KALIL” and that would leave 8 draft picks for obtainin the best athlete available
MGR4FUN
Pretty Good
I think Kalil is the obvious choice w our top pick, Blackmon could be great but he’s a risk and we already have two playmakers on offense, we need a solid line and more role players. I think Hicks is also a must, they need to cut Johnson as well, should free up plenty of cash for FA. Bowe is a natorious under achiever/worker, I think FA WR are risky, look what Seattle got for all that cash they threw at Rice this yr, I think Jenkins is a solid possession reciever and should be kept, Percy is best from the slot and moving around the formation, we need a good outside threat but not as much as we need help in other areas, so my opinion is to get someone now with that potential but don’t throw a bunch of money on anyone this yr. The rest of the big spending should go the secondary on guys like Landry and Carr. In additiion a good draft with guys who will contribute is a must to get the Vikes back on track.
I assume we had a plan last year too...
We need execution, and some good luck would be a welcome change. Nice work on the post!
On the TE
Hey I dissagree with you on TE in that I think Allen Reisner out of Iowa is going to be an absolute stud. They were talking about him last year that he caught anything thrown at him. On the GB angle I think that it won’t be Finley they go after but I would take a flier on Donald Driver. He has been so great. With the threat of a running game and play action he could really thrive for a year or even two.
Tuis all coulda been solved if...
We trafed backlast year, Gotten am additional later 1st round or early 2nd rounder – We couldhave taken Solder ahead of New England, landed Weisniewski and if Ponder dropped( who knows) but then there were a lot of us being laughed at for considering Andy Dalton. Who. by the way is a ProBowl backup. Splder and Wesiniewskiare both starters, We may have still took some lumps but we had the makings of a line we could have added to this year,
Ther are 2 guys from Wisconsin I think will be steals ifthey drop to the late 2nd and 3ed if we trade down for more picks.
I agree on finding a WR andan OT in free agency if we can aquire picks. Sooner see us get a hugh quaility WR or 2 in GA. We are forgertting that Erin Henderson is NOT the answer. Man, he jade me miss Leber.
On a final note. Don’t rush AD back in. Ho to your pre-season repalys. Caleb King is a player who van do some ggod things. We don’t need to fraft a RB early. Ir Kinf had schlastic tools he wouldhave been a high ranking RB in the SEC. He is not a Peterson. I see him more as a Chester Taylorwith a little more agility and the ability to hit the line and keep the burners going.
AKA : Revenge4Webb

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