Vikes should draft RGIII or Luck if available

Steve Young was a threat with his arms and his legs and regularly took advantage of both. What’s the criteria for “running QB?” I don’t think I’ve ever seen it offered up as a defined term before. And once it’s defined, would you put RGIII in that category?

Florida State’s defense laughs in your face >: )

Who’s the worst QB to ever play in the NFL? Whoever he is/was he has more experience than any of the guys in the draft this year. Not really a compelling point in favor of picking him or Luck or RGIII.

then any other positions and I don’t really think we should draft thinking, “Oh, we’re going to trade this player if he doesn’t work out.”

Which means with his skill sets the offense didn’t help him much. We’d have more success building around Ponder’s skills then Webb’s.

Webb is still an unknown quantity – if he played every week, teams would have him figured out very quickly. look at his last outing, the bears probably trained for the event that he would play a bit, they had him sussed right away.

Once teams realised that they could get to Ponder through blitzing he struggled, but he’ll learn.

I don’t think Webb can learn to be a better passer.

Ponder got his fair share of hits and the only ones that took him out of games were 2 helmet hits and two big hits to the same hip.

I remember it the same way. It was an incredibly exciting play. It was not a great throw.

QB’s don’t lead the ball to them, they throw it short to make sure the pass is caught for a giant gain. This is a fact, Aaron Rodgers did the same thing when Woodson got wide open in our first game.

as a right handed quarterback running left and trying to get it 40+ yards down the field. It’s a hard thing to do.

without deep threat receivers. :)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d82483c10/QB-Ponder-to-WR-Harvin-39-yd-pass-TD-4th-down-conversion

In order to win?

Again, Ponder has shown the ability to throw deep, and again, not every play. I don’t know, but with a guy you can complete both the short, intermediate passes, then throw a few very deep passes, on top of a good running game, hence why we need an offensive line alot more then Luck, would be more then enough to keep a defense spread out and worried about any type of pass.

I don’t see your argument
If he’s so bad that 31 teams in the NFL are unwilling to give us anything decent for him, then why the hell wouldn’t we take RGIII if available and start over?

He was saying that if you think Ponder should be replaced already in this point of his career, then there really wouldn’t even be anybody to trade him to. And if he gets alot of trade interest, then we should keep him.

I think.

He sucks when it counts. He’s got a gun for an arm though…

McNabb and Webb are both bigger than Ponder overall, so it’d make since that they wouldn’t get injured as easily from blunt force. Webb only started two games last year to Ponder’s seven or eight this year though, so I don’t think that translates very well.

Here’s the kicker though, Ponder has never had a good offensive line to work behind or reliable receivers to throw to (though Rodney Smith has sort of broken out this year)…ever, which explains his injuries coming out of college. Have you watched any Florida State games this year? If so you should know what I’m talking about. It was so easy to crack the depth chart on the line that we’re starting Bobby Hart, who’s 17 years old.

our WRs get open.

Thought you meant it the other way around

Thinking of an indoctrination of my fiance on it this weekend. She hates horror flicks, but loves comedies. I think she would like it.

I don’t think that was necessarily bad. I can see a few justifications for making that type of statement.

First, he is showing confidence in his own player selection, otherwise there would immediately be a media debate over who the starting qb should be, and that could undermine the credibility he needs to cultivate.

Second, he is sending a signal that he is going to be looking at other glaring positional needs for the team, and this also deflects attention away from the whole qb issue. Also, this should nurture Ponders confidence, which may have taken a bit of a blow over the final weeks of the season. Nothing wrong with that.

Third, what he says and what he does or actually thinks can be very different things. I believe he wants to give Ponder the shot to make it, but at the same time, I hope he is serious about honestly evaluating his performance and tendencies. Either way, we need to give the roster a make-over, and that needs a lot of attention.

Also, I think the fact that Clausen and McCoy went in the second and third rounds of their draft class makes it a lot easier for those teams to move in another direction more quickly than if they were first round picks. And, I think the fact that the new rookie wage scales mean that Ponder is actually not a real financial investment will make it easier for the team to move in another direction sooner than later if they choose to.

at the same time though, the Vikings may never be in this position again.

To be honest, I am not sold on Webb either. I think Chicago played him all teams would play him and that is slow down their rush, spy him, and make him beat them from the pocket. He has a long ways to go IMO. I think he should stay at QB but I need to see more passing from within the pocket from Webb before I can feel comfortable with him starting.

So that leaves with two young QBs that no one knows if they will pan out. What happens if Ponder is hurt again and Webb does not do well?

The Vikings need to do just like they did with AP. Take the BPA. Period.

Everything else will work itself out. And the Vikings could end up getting a nice little haul for Ponder if they decide to move him later. Or RG3 for that matter.

Nothing wrong with having 3 young QBs from which to choose the QBOTF.

But I am crazy like that too. :)