Bryant McKinnie
by KC Viking on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM CST
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PrintI heard Qadry Ismail talking to Soren Petro (a really good local sports broadcaster) about the Ravens on Friday. When asked about the impact of adding McKinnie to the team, the Missile had nothing but praise. Not only had McKinnie protected Flacco well this year, he had allowed the team to move Michael Oher to RT where he was more effective. He also pointed out that McKinnie had been a major part of their offensive plan starting with the first offensive play of the year--a run to the left tackle for a big gain (Q knew the yardage, but I've since forgotten it).
The Vikings clearly underestimated how much McKinnie had left in him, just like the Chiefs did with Jared Gaither (who went on to play well for the division rival Chargers after the Chiefs cut him). That begs a poll question:
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A Mckinnie fanpost? seriously.....face palm...head shake.
Now I want to see the Harbaugh brothers duke it out in the super bowl, just so I get to see Justin Smith and Alson Smith destroy Mckinnie in front of everyone. For the record, I’m still glad that we got rid of him.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
McKinnie looks good in Baltimore
Not here though, he had no incentive. Would have been 2010 season for him all over again. Personally, I think he has got to be one of the more overrated players in the league.
"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway
by Grape Drank on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Your poll doesn't have a simple "no" option,
so I didn’t vote.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to write in "no"
1 Probowl in 10 years after being the 7th pick in the draft, he was an underachiever and just plain flat lazy, the only reason why we got anything out of him was he was playing next to the best OG in the game. Yeah he has done good on a talented team but it took him getting cut to get his butt in gear.
I remember before the 2002 draft talking heads were already penciling him in for the HOF, he won’t even make the Vikings Ring of Honor. I’m glad he’s gone now we can draft a LT who can run AND pass block.
I will be cheering for the Ravens only because I can’t stand NE.
There is no way Frazier could have traded him!??
He cut him and got nothing in return. For what?? Maybe to make other players believe that there is accountability on this team………. but from the first game on there clearly was not. Frazier gives his guys 100 chances which never fruit a positive result while promising rookies sit on the sidelines. Meanwhile useful waivers and UFAs get picked up by other teams all season long but the vikes stick with their talent deficient roster just to make sure Tyrell Johnson and Mcnabb get their fair shake.
Ughh. The Mckinnie cutting was the starting pistol of a season long laundry list of horrible blunders.
That's not a biased pole at all..
Look, McKinnie clearly didn’t want to be here. Otherwise he wouldn’t have eaten himself off our team. Its like Jared Allen said, the gym is not that far off. What was Frazier suppose to do?
And he really hasn’t done everything all that well in Baltimore this year. He had the one big game against the Steelers and their LBs in particular (I’d expect a lineman to be able to take on a LB normally anyhow), but the following week, you never heard anything about him when they got smeared by the Seahawks. Flacco got sacked 5 times against the Texans.
The Missile is just trying to make Baltimore fans feel good about their terrible chances against the Patriots. I would not look back on McKinnie at all. Especially once we draft Kalil.
No fan of Mckinnie
But if he was on the Vikes today and playing agonizingly inconsistent as usual think how different the upcoming draft would look. Drafting an OT would still be a #1, #2 priority; but not at the ‘If they don’t get Kalil we are burning Spielman’s house down’ status
It doesn't matter if he was on the Vikes today.
Can you imagine what kind of an example that would have set to keep him? Frazier really didn’t have any choice but to cut him. It took an Ed Reed and Ray Lewis to finally set McKinnie right enough to start ‘improving.’
Let’s not forget this is a guy who got kicked off a pro-bowl roster for being lazy.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 22, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn’t that suggest to you that the Vikings’ coaching staff didn’t have his respect and/or considered a talented player to be beyond salvageable who apparently was salvageable?
No
It suggests a player who was complacent and needed to be cut to get a wake up call.
I couldn't find a
‘Not at all because McKinnie isn’t that great,’ kind of option. The options make it seem like he’s above blame for getting himself cut.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 22, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
When I wrote, “Given his performance…” that was like saying, “what if that production (by him or any other LT) had been on this year’s Vikes and how much improvement would we see?” There can’t be any denying that what would be added was better than what we saw from our LT(s) this year, so the only real question left is what kind of impact it would have, if any, and why or why not it wasn’t enough.
The only reason that i'm even commenting
Is for the mention of Qadry Ismail, because that man’s name is absolutely epic.
I think everyon has covered it already
The plain truth is that he was not motivated to lose weight and get into decent enough shape to play a game when he arrived for mini-camp. And this is after he said he was going to lose a bunch of weight during the off season. His own words.
When he showed up to big and would not take a pay cut, the Vikings said forget it. The sad part about it is that I wanted to trade him after the 2009 season when he luckily got into the Pro Bowl. His value was still high then.
I was shot down by many in those mock drafts that I posted back then.
Sometimes you have to see that a player has played enough games and is not going to be able to maintain that level as he ages. We are seeing it now with Hutchinson, Winfield, and KWill. It is extremely rare for a player to continue to play at a very high level well into their 30s and so many seasons.
This front office does not think like that though. They rather hang onto a player until he has nothing left. Kind of like keeping a car until it finally breaks down and then hauling it off to the junk yard. If the clowns had any brains then they would be proactive in replacing aging vets and get some high draft picks in return before it is too late.
Now these picks may not pan out but you have to start this process at some point in time and you will have to rely on draft picks or free agents to replace aging players.
This is not an easy thing to do but it should be done. It is the best way to give the team a chance to stay competitive IMHO.
McKinnie waived himself from the Vikings. It really was selfish and he really let down his friends (Hutchinson for one) on the Vikings who were counting on him to come to camp in shape and help them try and win a ring. That is the part he can never live down.
This wasn't anything new to McKinnie
Holding out his rookie year – coming in out of shape. I never saw his on the field play make me feel like this was a good pick – he seemed unmotivated and lacking effort from the first year on – he just didn’t seem to have the motivation to be the best player he could be – more of a " just do enough to get by".
it was time for a change
i am a fan of the big man and he still wears purple well … i am glad he has found a new home and has been productive and i knew he would and his loss would be felt by the
vikings … bigmac and hutch were pretty dang good together … but sometimes a geographical is just what the doctor ordered to motivate the star to shine once again … kalil will be the next mainstay (ron yary / randall mcdaniel / gary zimmerman) for the purple and all with be right in the land of the purple!!!
MGR4FUN
He's a lazy pos
He let his teammates down and he let this organization down. I could not care any less what he does in Baltimore because he has shown himself to be a rather poor human being.
Wow
I’m absolutely flabbergasted that 18% of the voters here think that McKinnie would have added FIVE TO SIX WINS. Seriously? Can I get some of what you guys are smoking?
As stated by other people: he lacked all motivation to play in Minnesota. He ate his way out of town. His presence may have helped Ponder a bit, but it wouldn’t have helped McNabb and his penchant for treating the football like a worm-seeking missile. 5-6 wins? No way. Maybe 1 or 2. Our team has HUGE issues. One player does not triple our wins.
1 & 2
is probably being overly generous to the guy as well, but the points made by you and a bunch others by his lack of work ethic or any type or work related activities sums it all up
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
McNabb has no time for most of the games that he started. Any amount of time over 1 second would have helped him tremendously.
I don’t know how many more wins McKinnie could have given us this year, but if his performance with the Ravens wouldn’t have affected the team positively in the wins column, then another 1st round LT prospect won’t help much in the next few years for the same reason(s).
His performance with the Ravens
has nothing to do with his performance for the Vikings. We weren’t a SB favorite. McKinnie clearly didn’t have the motivation to help us out, but when he joins a SB-bound team, he suddenly is able to drop 50 pounds to be able to play in the opener? He wouldn’t have done anything for us on this team. He mailed it in after ’09.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 22, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
I played against Ismail in high school
went to the same junior college as Mckinnie and my starting center in high school was Mcnabb’s starting center at Syracuse.. What does this all mean??? I have no idea I just thought about it and it seemed funny when I thought about it. And I didn’t vote because they should have traded him not just cut him and that ticks me off.
I wake up in the morning and piss excellence
At that point the Vikings were painted into a corner with McKinnie.
They were over the cap and needed to cut, trade, or restructure his contract. Mckinnie refused to restructure and at that point in time he couldn’t even pass a physical so a trade was off the table as well. The only options the Vikings had were to cut him or cut other players to get under the cap. Mckinnie put the Vikings in a no-win situation by failing to stay anywhere near playing shape.
by CanadianViking on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's been said
But cutting McKinnie wasn’t about getting better at LT right away.
And can you imagine how badly we could screw up the upcoming draft if the FO could keep saying to themselves, “well, McKinnie’s okay, so we can put off addressing the
line for awhile longer?”
...so we can put off addressing the line?
No way. Had McKinnie had this season for the Vikes, they would simply be able to prioritize C and RG immediately. Having McKinnie in MN while playing at this level would mean that they could fix the worse areas of the OL immediately.
It’s too bad we gave up on a guy who could have given us 10+ years to address the rest of the OL.
Wishful thinking
Weve benn doing it for years, telling ourselves thaMcKinnie is okay when he wasn’t.
Also, C isn’t a priority at all. We are solid is unspectacular there.
Also, 10 more years from fat ass McKinnue is breathtakingly optimistic. The guy is 32. 5 tops. And those would have been bad had we kept him.
I didn’t mean that McKinnie will play for ten more years. My point was that the team could have gotten more than 10 years out of their 2002 1st round draft pick, as planned, but didn’t.
The biggest argument everyone seems to have on this page is that McKinnie is fat and therefore not worth playing. Obviously, the Ravens knew better. Many OL are fat. Get over it.
He had 7 million reasons to come into camp in shape and motivated
He is no longer a Viking, we cut his fat lazy butt…you get over it!
Look, we get it, you wanted us to keep him
But you aren’t going to sway anyone’s opinion here. Our whole offensive line was a disaster. Hutch looked old and broken, Charlie Johnson was obviously better suited to be a guard, Sullivan looked terrible at the beginning of the year but came around at the middle to the end, Herrera is what he always was: under-average and hurt, and Loadholt was bad at pass blocking. Bryant would not have fixed this line. And obviously the rest of our secondary was terrible as you pointed out in your poll and wouldn’t have fixed much.
All the people here are just fed up with the fact that every year he came to camp overweight. He had no inclination to push himself. He thought he could just show up and collect a paycheck, like always. But when they saw he had not conditioned at all during the extended offseason they were forced to cut him. Once he had that shock of reality he finally kicked himself in the ass and started trying. He will never be what he could have been. He was full of potential but was too lazy to grab it.
I was fine with the move because he always looked like a clown against speed rushers and got absolutely man handled by Julius Peppers, ever single time they met. I’m looking forward to a solid LT pick at #3 and for us to put this mess behind us.
No, you and most Vikings fans don't get it.
The Vikings were bad because of some very long and ongoing problems. The poor OL is a mere symptom of ongoing issues that have plagued the organization from top to bottom: players apparently don’t respect or feel motivated by the coaches; coaches have been married to unproductive schemes; and talent evaluation cares more about appearance than performance in some cases. They haven’t fielded a great secondary since the Tice era. They haven’t fielded a top-notch defense (not just a run D, but a D that was top 10 vs. rushing and passing, and I believe passing D is best evaluated by passer rating allowed) since Tony Dungy was here.
But the real problem is that the fans don’t care about any of that as long as the players aren’t too fat. Sure, McKinnie weighed more than they would have preferred, but the only important question was whether he could still play. In Billy Beane’s heyday, one of the first things he did was to shift the focus away from a player’s body to his performance on the field. Do you know who Junior Siavii is/was? He was supposed to be GREAT because he was a big DT with very little fat for the position. That line of thinking set the Chiefs back at their greatest need at the peak of the Tony Gonzalez era and may have cost them a SB.
It’s especially frustrating for me since the Chiefs have had similar issues. Players didn’t respect Haley. Pioli and those in charge have tended to select coaches and players for familiarity with certain systems over talent level or new ideas. LT Jared Gaither was cut by KC and picked up by SD, and he excelled there.
Lots of LTs can’t stop Julius Peppers by themselves but are still worth having, especially while rebuilding. 3-13 probably won’t help motivate many of them, either.
It's not about body type
It’s about McKinnie being unprofessional and not doing his job. In Moneyball terms, he was Jeremy Giambi.
It's worth noting
that McKinney himself has admitted that getting cut by the Vikings was a wake up call and caused him to actually try. That coupled with the leadership on that team has lead to his success. If he had stayed with the Vikings, he would’ve been the same fat and lazy player we all knew. He probably would’ve been better the Johnson, but he wouldn’t have been the McKinney in Baltimore.
Not even answering the poll
Because he wouldn’t have helped at all because HE is terrible.
People, he came into camp weighing close to 400 lbs, and I’m sure that (as someone said) he started trying with the wake-up call that was him getting cut. He is/was a bum.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
I think they're going to realize that in Baltimore
once they stop being perrenial favorites to reach the SB, he’s going to give up on them too. Ray Lewis isn’t going to be around to get on his ass for more than another year or two.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 22, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
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