Senior Bowl Preview: The Weigh Ins

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM CST

I really enjoyed doing the recap of the East West Shrine game, and Chris was gracious enough to put it up on the front page, so I thought I would continue with the theme now that it's Senior Bowl week. After the jump I will include the rosters from both squads and their weigh in results.

Why are these weigh ins important? Pro scouts want to know each prospect's height, weight, hand size and arm length. Keep in mind the position each player plays and how his measurements might affect him. For example, arm length is crucial for offensive tackles, DBs and WRs. Arm length helps OT's keep pass rushers further away from the pocket (34" is typically the cut off point for OT prospects), and it helps DBs and WRs win the battle at the LOS (jam) and win the battle for catching the ball. For QB prospects, I always look at height and hand size.

I put some of the more surprising (good or bad) measurements in bold font. For example Iowa St. DB Leonard Johnson measured in at 5'9" and his arm length is 28.75". I am officially off the "draft Leonard Johnson" bandwagon.

North
Full Name	Pos	School	Ht	Wt	Hand	Arm
Mike Adams	OL	Ohio State	6070	323	11	33 3/4
Tony Bergstrom	OL	Utah	6054	315	9	31 3/8
Mike Brewster	OL	Ohio State	6042	310	9 5/8	31
Audie Cole	LB	North Carolina State	6041	248	10	32 1/4
Kirk Cousins	QB	Michigan State	6022	209	9 7/8	31 1/4
Jack Crawford	DL	Penn State	6047	268	10 1/8	33 1/2
Vinny Curry	DL	Marshall	6030	265	9 1/4	32
Lavonte David	LB	Nebraska	6004	225	8 1/2	31 1/8
Demario Davis	OLB	Arkansas State
Alfonzo Dennard	DB	Nebraska	5100	203	9 1/4	30
Michael Egnew	TE	Missouri	6052	251	9 3/4	32 1/2
Brady Ewing	OH	Wisconsin	5115	241	10 1/4
Jamell Fleming	DB	Oklahoma	5105	202	9 1/2	30 7/8
Donnie Fletcher	DB	Boston College	6002	201	8 7/8	30
Garth Gerhart	OL	Arizona State	6011	301	9 5/8	32 7/8
TJ Graham	WR	North Carolina State	5113	182	9 1/4	31 3/4
Daniel Herron	OH	Ohio State	5092	212	9	31 5/8
Emil Igwenagu	TE	Massachusetts	6011	245	9 1/8	33 1/8
George Iloka	DB	Boise State	6035	222	9 5/8	33 7/8
Asa Jackson	DB	Cal Poly	5097	193	8 3/4	28 5/8
Cameron Johnson	DL	Virginia	6036	267	8 7/8	32 1/2
James-Michael Johnson	LB	Nevada	6011	249	9 5/8	32 3/4
Leonard Johnson	DB	Iowa State	5097	198	8	28 3/4
Marvin Jones	WR	California	6017	198	10	32 7/8
Senio Kelemete	OL	Washington	6034	300	9 5/8	32 3/4
Brian Linthicium	TE	Michigan State	6036	249	9 3/4	32 5/8
Anthony Lynn	DB	Penn State	5115	205	8 3/8	29
Doug Martin	OH	Boise State	5090	219	9 1/8	29 7/8
Mike Martin	DL	Michigan	6012	307	9 3/8	31 3/4
Shea McClellin	DL	Boise State	6032	248	10 1/8	31 3/4
Marvin McNutt	WR	Iowa	6024	216	10 1/8	31 5/8
Kellen Moore	QB	Boise State	5116	191	9 3/8	29 7/8
Kelechi Osemele	OL	Iowa State	6053	333	10 3/8	35 1/4
Isaiah Pead	OH	Cincinnati	5097	193	8 5/8	31
Chris Polk	OH	Washington	5104	224	9 3/4	31 7/8
DeVier Posey	WR	Ohio State	6015	209	9 1/4	31 3/8
Brian Quick	WR	Appalachian State	6034	222	9 7/8	33 1/2
Kendall Reyes	DL	Connecticut	6037	300	9 1/2	32 5/8
Gerell Robinson	WR	Arizona State	6031	223	10	32 1/2
Trenton Robinson	DB	Michigan State	5094	193	9 3/4	30 7/8
Mitchell Schwartz	OL	California	6051	317	10	33 1/8
Harrison Smith	DB	Notre Dame	6016	212	10 1/8	32
Alameda Ta'amu	DL	Washington	6024	341	9 7/8	31 1/8
Johnnie Troutman	OL	Penn State	6041	325	9 3/4	33
Bobby Wagner	LB	Utah State	6002	241	9 7/8	32 1/2
Russell Wilson	QB	Wisconsin	5105	203	10	31 1/4
Billy Winn	DL	Boise State	6033	296	9 1/8	31 3/4
Derek Wolfe	DL	Cincinnati	6047	286	10 3/4	32 7/8
Kevin Zeitler	OL	Wisconsin	6037	315	10 1/8	32 1/2

South
Full Name	School	Pos	Ht	Wt	Hand	Arm
Emmanuel Acho	Texas	LB	6010	235	9 7/8	32 1/2
Joe Adams	Arkansas	WR	5104	174	9 3/8	31 3/8
Antonio Allen	South Carolina	DB	6012	202	9 3/8	31 7/8
Jeff Allen	Illinois	OL	6040	306	10 1/8	33 1/4
Vick Ballard	Mississippi State	OH	5101	217	9 1/2	31 1/8
Dwight Bentley	La-Lafayette	DB	5097	176	7 7/8	29 1/2
Jake Bequette	Arkansas	DL	6044	264	9 1/4	32 1/4
Will Blackwell	LSU	OL	6034	314	10 1/2	33 3/4
Philip Blake	Baylor	OL	6023	312	9 3/4	31 7/8
Jarrett Boykin	Virginia Tech	WR	5092	183	9 1/8	30 3/4
Nigel Bradham	Florida State	OLB	6015	237	10 3/8	33 1/4
Andre Branch	Clemson	DL
James Brown	Troy	OL	6034	307	10 1/4	33 3/8
Zach Brown	North Carolina	LB	6013	236	9 3/8	32 1/2
Quinton Coples	North Carolina	DL	6056	281	10 1/8	33 1/8
Juron Criner	Arizona	WR	6021	220	10 1/2	31 3/8
Chad Diehl	Clemson	OH	6014	257	9 7/8	30 3/8
Patrick Edwards	Houston	WR	5087	168	8 1/2	29 3/8
Nick Foles	Arizona	QB	6050	244	10 3/4	33
Jeff Fuller	Texas A&M	WR	6041	217	9 3/8	34 1/8
Terrance Ganaway	Baylor	OH	5114	241	9 1/2	31 3/4
Cordy Glenn	Georgia	OL	6054	346	10	35 1/8
Cyrus Gray	Texas A&M	OH	5102	198	9	29 3/8
Ladarius Green	La-Lafayette	TE	6056	237	10	32 7/8
Casey Hayward	Vanderbilt	DB	5110	188	8 7/8	30 1/7
Jaye Howard	Florida	DL	6030	292	10 1/8	32 1/8
Melvin Ingram	South Carolina	DL	6017	276	9 1/4	30 1/2
Janoris Jenkins	North Alabama	DB	5096	191	8 1/4	30 3/8
Tony Jerod-Eddie	Texas A&M	DL	6040	303	9 1/4	34 3/8
Ben Jones	Georgia	OL	6025	304	9 5/8	32 1/4
Dwight Jones	North Carolina	WR	6031	226	9	33 5/8
Ryan Lindley	San Diego State	QB	6036	229	10 1/8	32 1/4
Markelle Martin	Oklahoma State	DB	6006	203	8 1/2	31 1/8
Marquis Maze	Alabama	WR	5076	184	9	29 3/8
Matt McCants	UAB	OL	6055	309	8 3/4	35
DeQuan Menzie	Alabama	DB	5104	195	8 1/2	29 5/8
Deangelo Peterson	LSU	TE	6027	230	9 1/2	32
Tydreke Powell	North Carolina	DL	6023	309	9 7/8	31 7/8
Chris Rainey	Florida	OH	5083	178	9 1/2	30 3/4
Kheeston Randall	Texas	DL	6044	297	9 1/2	33
Keenan Robinson	Texas	OLB	6031	240	9 7/8	32 3/4
Zebrie Sanders	Florida State	OL	6054	308	11	34 5/8
Brad Smelley	Alabama	TE	6017	233	9 5/8	32 1/8
Sean Spence	Miami-Fl	LB	5113	228	9 3/8	30 5/8
Ryan Steed	Furman	DB	5103	190	9	32
Brandon Taylor	LSU	DB	5111	202	9 1/8	31 1/2
Brandon Thompson	Clemson	DL	6020	311	9 5/8	32 5/8
Courtney Upshaw	Alabama	DL	6014	273	8 5/8	31 1/2
William Vlachos	Alabama	OL	6003	306	9 1/8	30
Brandon Weeden	Oklahoma State	QB	6034	219	9 1/2	30 5/8

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none of that stuff matters ,can they play football thats all that matters.look at the raiders i am sure they have a bunch of tall athletic kids that look great in shorts too bad they suck when pads and sunday come around.we want football players not guys that look good in swimsuits on a beach.

by vikes 1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:32 PM CST reply actions

Agreed. I think it's kind of silly

to say you wouldn’t draft somebody because they have short arms. How many of these athletic phenoms that show up at the combine and skyrocket up the draft boards are busts? Vernon Gholston is one glaring one that comes to mind. I’ll take a guy who has performed ON the field any day of the week over somebody who has good measurables.

by 7Twins7 on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions

Again

These measurables should be used as a baseline. Youre right, the tape dont lie. But if your evaluating 2 players who are perceived to be similar in talent, these measurables will be taken into account on who to draft. Last year the main knock on Prince Amukamara was his arm length. Did you notice him on the field yesterday, other than on special teams?

Plus I use the measurables more to weed players out than to bump them up on my board. I would not draft Leonard Johnson. Chances are he will never be more than a nickel or dime player in the NFL because of his height and arm length. He will just be at too much of a disadvantage going up against Megatron, Andre Johnson, AJ Green, etc.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly

Shorter arms are a problem for many left tackles. Not all. There are exceptions. But the longer the arm the better the tackle has a chance of not letting a defender get into his pads.

Corners with short arms have a hard time breaking up passes because of their reach. They have to be really on top of the coverage to break it up.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

If it didn't matter

Scouts and coaches wouldnt put as much stock into this as they do. You might not think it matters, but it does.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions

I see what you're saying...

I’m just stating my opinion that i’d rather have a good on field player. Would you take Alonzo Dennard (who’s probably the consensus 3rd best CB) if he somehow fell into the 2nd round? His arms are also 30 inches.

by 7Twins7 on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

30 inches is ok

Leonard Johnsons are 28.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions

I agree that good players can defy negative physical traits,

but physical traits/skills are important IF your coaching staff is effective at developing talent.

by Jshore on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

My bad, i misread what you said.

I read it as Johnson’s arms are 30". 28 3/4 is a big difference from 30.

by 7Twins7 on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM CST reply actions

RIght

I’ll change it from under 30" to 28 3/4"

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions

Eh..no need really. I should learn to read.

Thanks for the post. are you planning on covering the Senior Bowl all week?

by 7Twins7 on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions

I plan on it

Maybe another recap on Sunday. Good question about Dennard. I actually have Stephen Gilmore and Casey Hayward ranked ahead of him.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

One other thing to consider:

Last year Spielman and Frazier drafted 5 players who played in the Senior Bowl. This year that Frazier and Co. are actually coaching the game, that number could increase. I think we might be looking at several future VIkings. These measureables and their performance in the Senior Bowl are highly influencial on this Front Office.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions

Good point.

One thing that surprised me being from Iowa, is that Marvin McNutt measured in at just over 6’2" when Iowa had him listed at 6’4". I would imagine that would hurt his stock, as he’s not a burner by any means.

by 7Twins7 on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly

THose are the type of things I look for. I’m looking for signs that indicate they might not be as successful in the NFL. I look for the physical limitations. THings that cannot be improved through even the best coaching. I put more emphasis on the physical limitations during these evaluations than I do towards the “workout warriors.”

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions

In fact

I think the only numbers that I bolded in a positive way were the arm lengths of Cordy Glenn, Kelechie Osemele and Jeff Fuller. Glenn and Osemele have been dubbed guards only in the NFL. I think their arm length might get them a look at tackle (both measured over 35"). Fuller has very long arms for a wide receiver at 34 1/8". That makes him more interesting to me. But the fact is that he still had somewhat of an unproductive senior year. Now I would go back an see if it was a result of playcalling, or if opposing defenses made it a point to take him away by game planning for him and double teaming him. Either way it causes scouts to go back and look closer, which could be a good thing for Fuller who currently is being mocked in the 3rd round in many mocks.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 23, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions

Why don't you have this guy highlighted

Zebrie Sanders,Florida State, OL, 6054, 308, 11, 34 5/8

by VikesFanInTulsa on Jan 26, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions

I only bolded the measurements that were surprisingly low

or exceptionally high. For the Oline, I only bolded 35"+ arms.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions

Fuller was banged up this year but played through it mostly

The games I watched, it seemed that Tannehill was not looking for him that much and then he would. I think he was underutilized.

Of course, since he was dropping too many, Tannehill could have lost confidence.

I think he is good and would be a steal in the 4th round.

Glenn, Osemele, and Sanders are all interesting because they have played multiple positions on the line. Brandon Washington too.

These are the kinds of linemen that I believe the Vikings like.

I see my boy Ta’amu is dropping down many boards (not all though). If the Vikings could get him in the 3rd round I would be very happy. I know many are not sold but he has that size and incredible natural strength. All he needs is some refinement and he needs to rotate more. At Washington he did not rotate often enough. He does need to get in better shape but now that he is out of school, I think he will. I still think he will go by the middle of the second round when it is all said and done.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions

Ya I read up on Fuller's injuries this year

Hammy, fluid in the knee, turf toe. Plus the dropsies, as you mentioned, have followed him to Mobile. I noticed Tannehill favor the other kid as well. I still cannot ignore the potential he brings to the table as a 6’4" 217lbs specimen. Plus the 34"+ arms are nice too. Mayock believes he will fall to day 3. If he does, I hope the Vikings call his name.

I am warming up to Cordy Glenn a lot. I wouldnt mind at all if we drafted him at #35. He could be dominant at guard, but has also shown ability to play right tackle. He was dominant vs the edge rushers at yesterday’s Senior Bowl practice.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Glenn and Osemele look very good

I think they go in the first round. Too many teams need the big uglies. Especially those that have shown they can play left tackle some.

Look at GB using Newhouse (who we should have drafted instead of DeGeare – as I bang my head against the wall) at left tackle last year. He was not great but he was serviceable.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions