Leslie Frazier Is (Apparently) Not An Aggressive Coach
We've long talked about the virtue of "alternate" statistical sites for football, and one of the best out there is Football Outsiders, who we've gotten a chance to talk to on a few different occasions. While looking at their site this afternoon here, I saw something that I think a lot of us suspected, but the folks at FO really managed to drive home.
The folks over at FO have something that's called an "Aggressiveness Index" that measures the tendency of NFL head coaches to go for it in specific situations. Those situations, according to the men themselves, are as follows:
Here at Football Outsiders, we created the Aggressiveness Index (originally appearing in Pro Football Prospectus 2006) to rank coaches based on how often they go for it on fourth downs. Although no NFL coach is as aggressive as the data suggests he should be, we discovered there is quite a wide range of fourth-down tendencies among coaches. To compute AI, we analyzed fourth-down decisions when the offense was in the opponent’s territory, where a coach’s tendencies were most distinguished from his peers. We also excluded obvious catch-up situations: Third quarter, trailing by 15 or more points; Fourth quarter, trailing by 9 or more points; Last five minutes of the game, trailing by any amount. AI measures how often a coach attempted a fourth-down conversion compared to the league averages in similar situations, based on the field position and the distance needed for a first down.
After the jump, we'll take a look at what the AI says about Vikings' head coach Leslie Frazier.
Unless I'm misreading the numbers here, and that's entirely possible, there were only two coaches in the National Football League that were less aggressive on fourth down than Leslie Frazier was this past season. (Those two coaches were Ron Rivera of the Carolina Panthers and Jack Del Rio, the now former coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.) According to the folks at Football Outsiders, the Vikings found themselves in 35 situations that qualified under the parameters of the Aggressiveness Index, and the team only attempted to go for it twice in those situations.
I understand that fans of just about every team wish their coach was more aggressive on offense, and I'm sure that we as Vikings fans are no exception. However, I'm not sure that Frazier is entirely out of line with his lack of aggressiveness here. After all, the Vikings showed that, despite the strong running game that the team has, they can be absolutely appalling in short-yardage situations (see the game against the Falcons when Percy Harvin returned a kickoff 104 yards and the Vikings couldn't punch it into the end zone). A team with a bad offensive line and a couple of young quarterbacks will make a team less aggressive in a hurry, one would assume.
Hopefully, going forward, as the Vikings make moves to improve their offensive line and their quarterback (whether it's Christian Ponder or Joe Webb) gets a little more experience under their belts, this team will have the ability to get a little more aggressive on the offensive side of the football.
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Huh
I thought he went for it on more occasions? Guess Im wrong. How many of those were on the wrong side of the 50 yard line? Or at the 45, and so one. Longwell had an off year, so that put our long range FG opportunites at a disatvantage. Did they go into that or was it just 4th downs in general, regardless of where the ball was? For some reason, my computer just sits there and keeps wanting to load the article without doing so.
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Plus
the way our O-Line was, doing a running play probably wouldnt have worked with the defense’s stacked up front, so Id be playing it safe too.
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by VikesFaninNM on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
here's their explanation:
To compute AI, we analyzed fourth-down decisions when the offense was in the opponent’s territory, where a coach’s tendencies were most distinguished from his peers. We also excluded obvious catch-up situations: Third quarter, trailing by 15 or more points; Fourth quarter, trailing by 9 or more points; Last five minutes of the game, trailing by any amount. AI measures how often a coach attempted a fourth-down conversion compared to the league averages in similar situations, based on the field position and the distance needed for a first down.
meh.
i really don’t like this kind of ‘analysis’… every 4th down play is situational, whether it’s short or long (that’s what she said). not to disregard the work they put into this, but, it’s saying a lot without really saying much.
anyway, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that LF is a conservative coach — which, to be honest, i personally don’t mind. i’d rather have a ‘left-brain’ coach than a ‘right-brain’ coach. (not that a little emotion a la Jim Harbaugh would be a bad thing… but Jim Schwartz is also an ‘aggressive’ coach, sooooo… pick your poison, i guess…)
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Pretty broad
by saying in opponents territory. Anything 50 yard line or less is in that territory. Yeah, I think that skews things in a way that you really can’t judge much from this. I mean hell, doing a short punt at 49 yards is not being aggressive? Especially when you kicker is having an off year? Next Ponzi Scheme or a Stat break down please.
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by VikesFaninNM on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Best 'go for it' fourth down play...
Ponder’s super bomb to Harvin, TD. I can’t recall the specifics of that play but it’s gotta be one of the two counted 4th down attempts, as I seem to remember it being a little random (and glorious).
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Also, O-line and QB situation aside,
not sure how much of this I can put/ not put on Frazier, seeing as how Musgrave was really the guy running the offense, and most likely at LEAST a key person in deciding when to/ not to go for it on fourth.
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Changed the Rivera thing
That was just me having a bit of a brain fart, it appears.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
With all the exclusions...
…. they have, that would make a pretty small sample for LF. The Vikes had some pretty goofy games this year, being far ahead and losing, being far behind and making it a game, etc.
To compute AI, we analyzed fourth-down decisions when the offense was in the opponent’s territory, where a coach’s tendencies were most distinguished from his peers. We also excluded obvious catch-up situations: Third quarter, trailing by 15 or more points; Fourth quarter, trailing by 9 or more points; Last five minutes of the game, trailing by any amount.
Oh, great
Now Pro Football is turning into Pro Baseball, with stats on supposedly important things, like an ‘Aggressiveness Index’. Sort of like baseball’s stats on a left handed designated hitters’ average against right handed pitchers with two on in the seven inning in away games at domed stadiums serving $1 beer in the first game of a double-header coming off a strained big toe injury including a messy divorce which has been attributed to his hitting slump.
Oh, puh-leez!
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I like your post....
but you left out the part about which shoe (the right or left) that they tied first.
Thanks for the update xD
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Honestly, I don't see why this should be alarming anyone
With the crappy offensive play this year, I am not sure if we should have tried half the third down plays that we did. And if Musgrat would have given the ball to Toby Gearhart one more time on a 4th and one, instead of Adrian Peterson, I am not sure his wife would have been able to identify the body.
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It makes sense to go for it on 4th down when you have a reasonable chance of making it.
For the 2011 Vikings that means if LF tried it at all he was being aggressive. I hope, and think it will be true, that next year LF may go for it more often and actually be less aggressive, as we will have a demonstrated ability to convert.
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by berserkerND on Jan 30, 2012 6:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Does this include field goal tries?
What about those 4th downs were we opted for a field goal vs going for it? I’d take the field goal almost every time. Points are points.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Field goals aren't guaranteed.
If a team is in the red zone, what better chance to score? Later in the game, you may not have that opportunity. If your team is close to the goal line, and doesn’t convert, it still puts pressure on the opposing offense. Your team can still pick up a cheap defensive score. Besides, field goals are never guaranteed. Just ask Baltimore.
neither are 4th down conversions
just ask Atlanta.
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by rj-b on Jan 31, 2012 7:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I just don't think he has a strong A type personality
And if you don’t, you need great strengths in other areas (incredibly smart, or the abilty to get others to come together with great organizational skills, like with your other coaches) Might be a good coordinator, not a top of the pyramid guy.
There was only Tony Dungy type that had success, TD himself. I think that’s who everyone is hoping he becomes with the laid back style, but he’s not.
They had to take a look at him, you don’t want to let another Tomlin or Billick get away. I am almost certain he’s not the guy, but he gets another shot because of the lockout.
In my years (many)
I’ve sorta come to the conclusion that there are 3 types of coaches… those who reign supreme in strategy, those who know how to execute with what they’ve got, and those who can do both (think Belichick, Lombardi, Madden, Knoll, etc.
I think Frazier is still stuck on execution and hasn’t been able to achieve anything of the sort, and until that happens he won’t be able to upgrade himself to thinking about a top-notch strategy in order to ensure wins.
Style is really unimportant, as execution and strategy can be achieved with any type of style…
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
The coach has nothing to do with having shitty team
They just dont have very good players on team..And the most the good ones will retire soon.They wasted many too many draft pics and getting older.the coach has nothing to do with penelties, droped pass, fumbles, and players that cant work as a team well.And Havin would of scored on that 104 yrd. kickoff return if they didnt use him too much.cause they dont have receivers like the ones in the great 90s

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