Attempting To Gauge Jared Allen's Shot At The NFL's All-Time Sack Record
With so much focus this season having been spent on Jared Allen's pursuit of Michael Strahan's single-season sack record of 22.5*. . .because, seriously, what the hell else did we have to cheer for. . .it led me to wonder exactly what kind of shot he had at breaking the all-time record for sacks in a career given the success that he's had early on in his career. After all, as we mentioned back when he reached the 100-sack plateau, the only player in NFL history to reach that number faster was Reggie White.
Some of the recent scuttlebutt has also suggested that the Minnesota Vikings trade Jared Allen because he is "getting older," since he turns all of. . .gasp. . .30 years old this April. OMG THIRTY IS SO OLD AND oh, shut up, no it's not. (Says the guy that's five years older than Allen is.)
However, with Allen's work ethic (which was on full display this year) being what it is, there's a very good chance that a few years from now. . .whether he's with Minnesota or not. . .we could be talking about him pursuing not single-season sack records, but Bruce Smith's all-time mark of 200. Just for kicks, I decided to compare Allen's first eight seasons in the NFL with some of the other great defensive ends in the history of the NFL based on where they rank on the all-time sacks list, and see what sort of pace #69 is on compared to some of them. It's pretty favorable for Allen right now, barring injury.
After the jump, we'll see what we have. The "age" is based on the stats from Pro Football Reference and what age a player was at the start of that particular season.
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Jared Allen 105 career sacks (20th all-time) |
Bruce Smith 200 career sacks (1st all-time) |
Reggie White 198 career sacks (2nd all-time) |
Chris Doleman 150.5 career sacks (4th all-time) |
Michael Strahan 141.5* career sacks (5th all-time) |
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| Age 22 | 9 | 6.5 | USFL | DNP | 1 |
| Age 23 | 11 | 15 | USFL | DNP | 4.5 |
| Age 24 | 7.5 | 12 | 13 | 0.5 | 7.5 |
| Age 25 | 15.5 | 11 | 18 | 3 | 5 |
| Age 26 | 14.5 | 13 | 21 | 11 | 14 |
| Age 27 | 14.5 | 19 | 18 | 8 | 15 |
| Age 28 | 11 | 1.5 | 11 | 21 | 5.5 |
| Age 29 | 22 | 14 | 14 | 11 | 9.5 |
| Total/Average | 105/13.125 | 92/11.5 | 95/15.8 | 54.5/9.1 | 62/7.75 |
| Age 30 | ? | 14 | 15 | 7 | 22.5* |
| Age 31 | ? | 10 | 14 | 14.5 | 11 |
| Age 32 | ? | 10.5 | 13 | 12.5 | 18.5 |
| Age 33 | ? | 13.5 | 8 | 7 | 4 |
| Age 34 | ? | 14 | 12 | 9 | 11.5 |
| Age 35 | ? | 10 | 8.5 | 11 | 3 |
| Age 36 | ? | 7 | 11 | 12 | 9 |
| Age 37 | ? | 10 | 16 | 15 | Retired |
| Age 38 | ? | 5 | Retired | 8 | Retired |
| Age 39 | ? | 9 | 5.5 | Retired | Retired |
| Age 40 | ? | 5 | Retired | Retired | Retired |
White spent the first two years of his career playing for the Memphis Showboats of the old United States Football League. During that time, he racked up 23.5 sacks. If those were part of his NFL total, the record might be untouchable.
As you can see, it's not completely unheard of for pass rushers to be productive after. . .and, sometimes, long after. . .the age of 30. Bruce Smith was sort of hanging on towards the end in his pursuit of the all-time sack record and the 200 sack plateau, but White, Doleman, and Strahan were all fairly productive late into their careers.
This is why I, personally, think that the Vikings have no business trading Jared Allen at this point. The scheme this team is running isn't the problem. . .it's the complete lack of talent in the back end of this defense, in my opinion. Allen is showing himself to be a truly transcendent player and, even at the "ripe old age" of 30, is still somebody that a defense can be built around for both the short term and the long term.
NFL teams don't win by throwing away their proven talent for a chance to draft guys that may or may not work out. The Vikings haven't got a lot of "proven talent" on this team, but Jared Allen certainly is.
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Playing with future numbers
If Allen averages 15 sacks a year for the next three years, he’d need to average 6.25 sacks per year from age 33 to age 40 to tie Smith (or 10 sacks per year if he only plays through age 37).
If Allen averages 12 sacks a year for the next three years, he’d need to average 7.4 sacks per year from age 33 to age 40 (or 11.8 sacks per year through age 37).
If Allen averages just 10 sacks a year for the next three years, he’d need to average 8.5 sacks per year from age 33 to age 40 (or 13 sacks per year through age 37).
If he stays healthy and productive and maintains his speed, I think he can do it. But how great he is over the next three or four years will be integral to his chances.
He'll still be sharp.
This guy is all about self-improvement. Last season he identified why teams were containing him so well in the first half of the season, fixed it, and became his usual self again. Then, in the offseason, rather than join McKinnie at the buffet (great comment by him after that whole fiasco- “it’s not that hard to find a gym”), he improved even further to do THIS. I would imagine being ‘second place at the prom’ is going to eat at him all offseason. He’s an artist of a DE, and one that’s never satisfied. And if he doesn’t absolutely explode again next season, he’ll adjust further to make sure he demolishes offenses in 2013.
He’s just got a motor and a willpower that won’t quit. I can’t see him getting ‘lazy’, or slow, even by age.
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by KJSegall on Jan 6, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he'd get lazy or slow by choice.
When I said “If he stays healthy and productive and maintains his speed”, it wasn’t an asterisk on his motivation or work ethic. The guy’s a machine. But staying healthy and productive and maintaining that speed will also have a lot to do with injuries (or the lack thereof). You can be as much about self-improvement as you can possibly be, but sometimes the body or the game just gets in the way. And he has a long way to go – he’s 55% of the way to a tie of the career sack record.
His odds of making it are infinitely higher than a player of McKinney’s motivation, and unquivocally Allen is doing all the things to give him the best chance of playing at his peak for as long as possible. I love the guy.
Taking it a step further...
If you look at the numbers from ages 30-36 (36, since that’s when Strahan retired), it looks VERY good for Jared Allen. Two guys average sack total per year actually improved after the age of 30, while the other two guys saw minimal drop-off.
Smith 11.3 (drop off of 0.2)
White 11.6 age (drop off of 4.2)
Doleman 10.4 (improvement of 1.3)
Strahan 11.4 (improvement of 3.6)
That means, of these 4 guys, their average rate of change is actually an improvement overall after the age of 30 of 0.13 sacks per year. That means, that Allen’s sack total by the time he reaches 36 (assuming his career numbers mimic these 4 guys) could be as high as 197. If he plays even a few more years after the age of 36, he has a very real shot at breaking 200.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
I really hope he can do it.
I think he’s the kind of guy that’s going to age well.
However, Reggie White is easily the greatest pass rusher of all-time. Holy moly, those numbers are ridiculous.
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by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions
I can't disagree
Just a shame he spent a good portion of his career. . .“there.”
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
If Derrick Thomas'
life was not cut short he may have had a shot at that title as well. – Anyway we could help out Allen’s cause if we were to get back in playoff mode again.
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Agreed.
Imagine if QBs weren’t able to throw practically at will without fear of interception. Jared Allen’s sacks might have totaled 30+ this season.
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I did notice
he is the only one on this list that, by this point in his career, did not have a single-digit sack total in any given year.
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Oh wait, lol
Nevermind that… Where is my delete button?
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
If age is the key
Then Allen will surpass… btw, who is number 3?
by liveforadrenaline on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM CST reply actions
That was my question as well...
thanks for beating me to it. >glares<
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Kevin Greene
With 160.
But I was trying to keep the comparison to guys that were “hand on the ground” types of defensive ends as opposed to 3-4 outside linebackers like Greene and Lawrence Taylor.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Makes sense.
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You know, let's not JUST discuss this.
A few seasons back, Drew Brees came VERY close to beating Dan Marino’s passing yardage record. After breaking it this year and being asked about that, he admitted he never thought he would get close again after that, and that it had been his best shot.
30 is not that old for a guy like Jared Allen. He’s had one noteable injury his entire career and it hasn’t slowed him down one iota. He’s a guy who plays 40% physical and 60% technique, which usually bodes well for a player’s longevity. And hell, just one year after posting such ‘terrible’ numbers and ‘being totally washed up’, look how he responded. He’s one of those rare football players with freakish athleticism, but the intelligence, work ethic, and willpower to NOT need to rely upon it.
I say, upon Vikings’ kickoff 2012, Jared Allen Sack Record Watch Part 2 begins. Teams might be ‘more on the watch’ for him, but if Brian Robison picks his game back up some, and our secondary improves and doesn’t allow QBs to throw at will (like I posted above), that might be easier said than done. All things considered, Allen got this close this season really despite all odds- rarely playing with a lead, no secondary to speak of, and relatively minimal pash rush support (although KWill’s resurgence certainly helped, I would imagine). Just imagine, with a better team, what he might yet accomplish.
I’m not done rooting for the single-season record folks!
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Or..
How about the coaching staff not pulling him out of games (i.e. the Saints game).
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Consider how good Allen's odds might become
If allowed to spend more time in the cover1 4-3 that Fred Pagac favored but was not allowed to implement with regularity?
The tampa2 variants really favor the UT over the RDE, so which horses should be hitched to?
The cascade of "Booooooo!"
Raining down from the stands at Lambeua Field after Jared Allen slams Aaron Rodgers to the turf and does his hog tie is the sweetest symphony I’ve ever heard.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 6, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I would like to find that as a ringtone...
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I wonder
Would have been interesting to see what his sack total would have been if Pagac was permitted to run the more aggressive packages he favors. Fraser reportedly overruled some of his schemes this year.
by Lars in SLP on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
GREAT ARTICLE
I hope the that a new DC doesn’t negatively affect Jared’s effectiveness.
by vking1 on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Kind of makes those haters
from a certain part of the country pretty stupid for claiming he was a raging alcoholic who’d be out of the league by now huh?
Family man, man’s man, THE man.
Yeah, pretty much
Of course, we’ve pretty much come to expect it from there, so much so that it really isn’t even surprising any more.
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