What's A 'Futures Contract' And What's The Trade Value For A Number Three Pick? Your Vikings Sunday Brunch And Wildcard Open Thread
Hi gang, how has your weekend been? Here in the Gateway of the West, daughter the eldest is getting ready to move overseas, but her and her mom are out right now doing mom and daughter stuff, so I have a little down time. There's a lot of stuff going on with our Vikes, so we'll use this as kind of a Sunday Brunch roundup, and we'll keep it as our open thread for the two playoff games today. Let's get the real live football stuff out of the way: At noon CST, Atlanta heads to the Meadowlands to play the Giants, and the afternoon game has Pittsburgh going to Denver to play the Broncos. Give me the Falcons and Steelers. What say you, commentariat?
Now, on to the Vikes stuff:
Yesterday Chris told us about the Hall of Fame finalists, two of which are Vikings, Chris Doleman and Cris Carter. I doubt both of them will get in, but the fact that Cris Carter isn't in already is criminal. When you look at the list of finalists, you have to like CC's chances, as well as Doleman's. That said, I'll be pleasantly stunned if they both get in. I'll be doubly stunned if nether of them make it.
Fearless Leader also had a little ditty about the Colts taking Andrew Luck with the first overall pick, turning up the value of the second and third pick even more in supposed trade jockeying for Robert Griffin III. And while I agree with that, I want you to keep an eye on Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon and how much his stock will rise as draft day approaches. Blackmon is a junior who has declared for the draft, and has been described by Hall of Fame and former Viking QB Warren Moon as 'Dez Bryant with all his brain cells'. He had a great Fiesta Bowl, and people are already talking him up big. As an idea what a guy like Blackmon could draw in a trade, let's look at last year's draft. Julio Jones was the most sought after WR, and in exchange for moving up to the number four spot, Atlanta gave the Cleveland Browns five draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012. So add a year and move up a spot, you would think that's the floor for what the Vikings could command at #3.
Should the Vikings draft Blackmon? I know a lot of people will advocate that, and normally, I think you could talk me into it. This year, though, I think the Vikings can find a good, proven WR in free agency, and they need to focus on the offensive and defensive lines in the draft, at least early on. The chances of finding a great tackle in free agency are almost nil, as teams lock those guys up early and often.
Folks, the Vikings have a golden opportunity here. Assuming Luck goes 1, two of the following three will be on the board when the Vikes are on the clock: Matt Kalil, Robert Griffin III, and Justin Blackmon. With the new rookie wage scale, teams are no longer reluctant to trade into the top 5 to get a guy they think they need. If the Rams pass on Kalil, I think the Vikes need to grab him and not look back. If the Rams take him, I say trade down to the highest bidder for a longboatload of picks, take a guy like OSU's OT Mike Adams later in the first round, and reap the bounty that somebody like Atlanta will give us.
After the jump, we'll talk stadium, Pat Reusse, and what exactly a futures contract is.
The Strib is reporting that the Arden Hills site isn't going to work, and that the Vikes need to focus on Minneapolis. Personally, I think the Minneapolis Mafia will win this. And by 'mafia', I mean 'various political figures who probably didn't kill 5 hookers at SMU like Craig James might have done'. They have too much political clout to not get their way, truth be told. When Wilf announced the Arden Hills plan, the St. Paul mayor didn't get on board and they threw their collective hissy fit, I figured one of two things would happen: Either the Vikes would move, or would end up in Minneapolis. I still think Arden Hills is better, but if a Minneapolis deal is the only thing that keeps them in Minnesota, I'll take it.
Is Rick Spielman trying to justify his promotion to GM after 9 wins in two seasons as the defacto personnel roster guy? The cynic would say yes. The optimist would say that we have a good one in Christian Ponder. According to The Godfather, Spielman told him Ponder was the 'best QB in the NFL' in red zone efficiency. I like Ponder and think he'll be the long term answer. Hey, I like Joe Webb, too. But the fact of the matter is stats don't mean beans for either of these guys unless they get some weapons and protection.
Hey, it's the least the NFL could do, right? The Vikings will be one of two coaching staffs that will coach the Senior Bowl, a game where college seniors are invited to play in what amounts to an All Star game and showcase their wares for NFL teams. Mike Shanahan and the Redskins staff will be the opposing coaches. The Vikes really got hurt last year with no off season program, so this will give them a little bit of an advanced scouting advantage. Let's hope they can make the most of this opportunity and find some gems in the draft.
The Old Curmudgeon, Patrick Reusse, thinks the Vikes (and Twins) are delusional. Reusse is right to an extent, at least in the Vikings case. I get that the Wilfs are being purposely optimistic--to promote season ticket sales, get the stadium across the finish line and so forth; they have to publicly be upbeat. But when he also reports that GM Rick Spielman feels the need to overhaul the roster to the tune of 30-35 new players next year (which I agree with, by the way) maybe the Wilfs need to temper the unabashed enthusiasm.
Apparently, there's a thing called a 'Futures Contract'. Apparently, the Vikings signed FB Matt Asiata to one. I had never heard of this 'futures contract', so I found this on Sports Agent Blog:
A lot of agents have been busy Tweeting about their clients signing “futures contracts.” They are called futures contracts because they technically are premised on future performance, as the NFL season does not officially begin until March. The only players who are eligible to sign this type of contract are those who were not on their teams’ active rosters at the conclusion of this past season.
Asiata, if you'll recall, was signed by the Vikes as an undrafted free agent and made it until the final cutdown. He spent a week or two on the practice squad before he was released.
That's all for now. Feel free to comment on any of these stories, the playoff games, or anything else.
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Shocking to think that..
Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
"I wanted to do it because it's fun, it's fun to do bad things and drive into a car."
by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions
THERE'S NO PROOF HE DID!
But then again, there’s no proof he didn’t, is there?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Such a beautiful thing. His campaign had to release a statement denying that Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it's a Texas campaign
Do you think that helps or hurts him?
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Fair question. Could go either way, really.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't familiar with a "Google Bomb"
until this incident.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
I agree w/ trading back if Kalil is there.
I love RG3, but I don’t think we should talk him. I’m tempted by Blackmon, because whatever you want to say about the FA class, young receivers with elite talent are rare, and WR is a position a rookie can make instant impact. And having a reliable target a defense has to double makes blitzing dangerous in a way it simply isn’t for defenses now. So I think having real targets makes the line better by default. And our WR corps isn’t just bad, it’s abysmal. We don’t need just 1 FA Wideout. Other than Percy, who ideally is a slot #2 (who can do lots of other things well, to be fair) we don’t have a WR that belongs on an NFL roster, IMHO.
That said, WR isn’t the only place with glaring holes, and we do need a LT more than a wideout. So if we can trade back for that boatload, than I’m all for it. But anything less, and I’d say we’re better off taking BPA.
we don't have a wr that belongs on an NFL roster
Hopefully Michael Jenkins will be back, he’s better than people give him credit for. A-do seemed to step it up towards the end of the season. Let’s not forget our second round draft pick, Rudolph. The Vikings receivers will look better if they improve the offensive line, and give our QB’s time to throw. Personally I’ll be very disappointed if the Vikings don’t come away from the draft with the rights to Kahlil. Left tackle has been such a big need for quite some time and Kahlil is rated number two overall in the draft.
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rudolph isn't a wide out.
I like him. But he’s not a vertical threat. And Jenkins is serviceable at best. I can endure him as a #3, preferably #4. Not our functioning #1. And no, our receivers won’t look better if the o-line is better, because if you don’t have speed to separate, you’re not going to separate. Conversely, receivers who can get open quickly do make the line look better. Or at least keep the QB upright.
That said, I still agree we need a LT over a WR. I’m just not willing to drop back for guards or ‘depth’ positions, unless we’re picking up a boatload.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm almost positive
that the Vikings will go after a big name WR in free agency since there should be quite a few of them. If they don’t, Spielman doesn’t deserve to be GM. For the record, I think he does. Therefore I could see him going after a WR in FA
I don't disagree.
Except that given the number of holes we have, we should make sure the trade back should be worthwhile. Otherwise just take bpa.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
depends...
if we can still get kalil or martin, i’m fine with it
If I remember correctly
Atlanta offered the same package for Cincy’s #4 pick to take AJ Green, but they opted to take him. I don’t know how you can turn down 2 1st rounders, a 2, and two 4th rounders.
I think trading out of #3 pick is what Vikes are hoping to do
Straight Cash Homey
by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Jan 8, 2012 11:14 AM CST reply actions
To get that much, I think it would need to be a much lower team trying to trade up
The order looks something like this (* = depends on playoff results)
1. IND
2. STL
3. MIN
4. CLE
5. TB
6. WAS
7. JAC
8. CAR
9. MIA
10. BUF
11. KC
12. SEA
13. ARI
14. DAL
15. PHI
16. NYJ
17. CIN
18. SD
19. CHI
20. TEN
*21. CIN
*22. DET
*23. CLE
*24. PIT
*25. DEN
*26. NYG
*27. HOU
*28. NE
*29. BAL
*30. SF
*31. GB
*32. NE
Now look at the bottom and see who would be willing to trade up for RG3 (only real target… maybe Blackmon, but it’s a deep WR draft). First one I see is maybe Arizona at 13 (although they gave up a boatload for Kolb). Tennessee at 20 has a 1st round QB they aren’t gonna give up on yet. Cleveland won’t trade up as they know neither the Rams or us are going to take RG3.
After that, we have Seattle (12), Miami (9), and Washington (6). I could see those guys trying to trade up for sure, but I don’t think they’d be willing to give up as much as Atlanta did to do so.
I think there's a possibility
that Miami is going to shell out big bucks for Fischer – and if he were to say “I want RG3”, it’s possible they might go big.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Word here in St. Louis
is that Fisher is going to the Rams. Wishful thinking? Quite possibly, but if I’m Fisher, I’d rather go to a place that has Sam Bradford as opposed to a dumpster fire at QB.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
which begs the question...
does Fisher try to trade back, take Kalil, or get the offensive weapon in Blackmon??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think he takes Kalil.
LT is a disaster for them as well.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Fisher is a "lines" guy...
so I think he’d take Kalil as well.
I thought they already had two recent high draft picks invested in tackles?
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Their LT this season
was a two-time castoff.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Just looked up their depth chart on ESPN. Neither are listed. There goes my optimism for the Rams passing on Kalil.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
interesting scenario, Ted
all the talk has us trading back for a team who wants RG3. never thought of a team wanting Blackmon.
either way, i think we need to trade back; even if Kalil is still there (but i like Reiff and i think he will close the gap…)
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
...and for some reason mobile put that response up here and not down there...
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I really don't see anyone trading up for Blackmon...
at least not far. He’s not the talent that AJ Green and Julio Jones were, IMO. And it’s a FAR better FA WR class this year too.
disagree...
I think Jones is a hell of a WR (very similar to White). I think Blackmon will not be all that good; think Mike Williams.
Jones is a MUCH faster than Blackmon...
and he’s slightly bigger than Blackmon too.
Well, in fairness
The more I think about it, they probably wouldn’t. The Falcons were drafting late in the first round, so they really needed to overpay, if that’s the right word, to get Jones and make it worth Cleveland’s while.
A trade back to 6, 9, or 12 wouldn’t need as much to get done, but it would still be a good deal for the Vikings. Also, let’s not forget Denver. Yes, they said they aren’t looking for a QB, but they’re not going to come right out and say they are right before their first playoff game in a few years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they target a QB. That gets us back in the range of an Atlanta-Cleveland deal.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that we would trade down if given the chance.
We have so many holes to fill. I’m just thinking it’ll be more likely that we’ll get a 1 + 2ish from Washington or Miami. Although, I don’t have that pick value chart so I may be shorting us.
i wouldnt be surprised if Wash goes after Flynn
leaving Miami as the obvious trade partner. a 1st, 2nd and 5th + a 2013 2nd is a realistic offer; anything more than that might be wishful thinking.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 5:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
yes you are,
we should get wash’s(600pt differential) 1st, 2nd, and 4th and we give them back our 2nd 7th, is very close. Miami is 800 point differential. they give us their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, we give them back our 2nd 7th. it would be very unlikely for a team to trade all its’f 1st through 4th picks in one draft, so you could probably work something like wash’s 1st and 3rd this year and their 1st and 3rd next year. I am not sure how future picks are evaluated using points since draft order is not known in future years.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
well...
traditionally a 1st rd pick next year is worth a 2nd rder this year, 2nd next year worth a 3rd rder this year, etc.
also, the trade value chart is kind of thrown out the window now a bit with the new rookie salary cap. we have no idea how that alters the values.
I could see Cleveland trading up to 3rd to avoid us trading to someone else who would take RGIII.
It might be that we could trade for their 2 1st rounders, take Blackmon using the #4 and get an OT with #23.
The NDSU Bison rock.
If that happens, I'd poo myself in glee.
I think that would be a really bad move on Cleveland’s part, but they may covet RG3 enough to do it. Seems like something Holmgren would avoid.
I see the logic in that
I just think that if the Vikes could do that (and I’d be on board with that trade) use the #4 pick on Claiborne, the LSU CB, and the other one on a T like Adams.
I know we need WR’s, but I think they can get serviceable to good guys in FA and get that unit back to respectable pretty quickly. Assume Jenkins comes back healthy, you’ve got a good start with him, Percy, and Rudolph. One or two guys in FA, and we’re in business there.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What if we picked RG3
For the sole purpose of screwing Cleveland and forcing them to trade their 2 first rounders for the QB they covet?
by IL PurpleRain on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Never pick a guy you think someone else wants
Always pick a guy you want/need. Worry about yourself first and always when it comes to the draft.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
exactly.
There’s absolutely no logical reason to do that. We leave our own positions unaided, and then we have a player on the roster we don’t intend to use. Waste of money, waste of roster space. The only reason to draft RG3 is if you think he’s so much better than what we have that you simply can’t let him go by.
While I think he’s potentially a very good NFL QB, I also think Ponder can be one. So I don’t know how we are supposed to draft him just to make an incremental upgrade when we have many positions that need a massive one.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
it depends i think...
on what you could get for ponder. i think you could get a 1st for ponder from some team, so it’s not like you lose the value of that 1st rder completely.
which teams?
Would give us a 1st round. Seriously.
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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And if a team would give us a first for Ponder
Why the hell would we trade him?
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
If a team did that, sure I'd take RG3
But I don’t see anyone trading for him and giving us draft picks when they can get what they want themselves.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
at least 1 team (probably more like 3)...
are going to be left without a good QB; ie left without Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn, or RGIII.
I think whoever’s left (Miami/Redskins/Browns/Seattle/Chiefs/possibly even Jaguars) might give up a 1st for Ponder.
But then we're left w/o a good QB.
How does that help anything?
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
no we're not..
we’re left with RGIII was my whole point.
alrighty, your last post made it sound different is all.
I just don’t see anyone making that trade and leaving RG3 on the board for us.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
well, it's about value...
to get rgIII the redskins/chiefs/dolphins have to give up something like 2 1sts, or a 1st and 2 other picks. to get ponder they have to give up one pick. big difference in value.
my point is that teams are going to be left scrambling for an answer at qb after they’re gone. this is one reason it really might make sense for us to trade joe webb this season if there’s a team out there that really believes in him. i like the kid too. but if we could get a 2nd rd pick or something similar for him? i’d do that.
Oh, I'd trade Webb for another pick
And that’s value. We picked him up in the 4th round, and get a 2nd for him? Whatever else someone says, that’s a value trade in the end.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
again, i like webb...
and he’s a nice insurance policy. you can even make a good argument he’s outplayed ponder so far, but if the value’s there, it’s awfully tempting…
trade rgIII for 2 1st rd picks
trade webb for 2nd rd pick
#4, #26(ish), #35, 2nd for Webb, #67, #99, #102, #133, #141
and 6 more picks in the 6th/7th rds to find sleepers.
you'd trade him if you think RGIII is that much better...
that’s kind of the point.
then you're back at square 1
Having to teach a new kid a new book.
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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sure...
it all depends on how you feel about rgIII. i like ponder, but i think rgIII can be a game-changer.
they felt the same about ponder
Every single drafted qb is a gamble flat out. We have already thrown our gamble in. They need to let it play out now.
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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'm sure they will...
no doubt we’ll stick with him. i’m just saying what i’d do.
but i have no doubt in the world that we’ll stick with ponder (spielman’s guy) and either trade rg3 and trade down or take kalil. no doubt.
and that’s fine.
for some reason
They actually have faith in Rex lol
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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
semantics...
i don’t actually buy that they believe that.
i doubt rex does either lol
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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know...
but seeing what the Cards gave up for Kevin Kolb, I think someone would give up a first rounder for a guy who showed flashes as a rookie despite playing behind a pitiful offensive line and with no offseason to begin the learning curve.
If you think RG3 will be better than Ponder, it’s tough to justify passing on him (not saying I do). The one position you can’t afford to screw up is the QB position.
by Are we cursed? on Jan 8, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
Denver made the playoffs while trotting out a RB for half the season at QB. they did it by having stellar Line play and good running game with an elite Defense. there are lots of ways to be successful, but the key is not to have one elite player at just one position but to be solid to better than solid at many positions. While Carolina which has a stud QB is only mildly better then last year.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
True, but we could trade Ponder for a first round pick...
and shore up two positions in the first round. In theory, we could get RG3 at pick #3, an LT later in the first round with the Ponder trade pick, a WR in free agency, and a defensive back in round 2.
I’m not saying that I’m sold on RG3, but if Spielman does his job and determines he is the real deal, we can make this work. RG3 on his own does not solve our problems. It will take other moves to right this ship.
by Are we cursed? on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
exactly...
also, i could care less about the tebow situation. he wins a superbowl and i’ll listen; until then, it proves nothing. it’s all about a superbowl. anything less is meaningless. imo.
So the developement of a good QB
in an effort and hope of winning a future Super Bowl is meaningless for all but one of these teams?
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
I don't get it
developing a good QB is essential to any organization. But it has to be the right guy. I’m not saying Ponder isn’t that guy and RG3 is that guy. I’m just saying that you must consider the possibility that RG3 is a franchise QB and Ponder isn’t. That’s tough to do with both guys being so young, but that’s what being a football GM is all about. Getting young guys who can play. Ponder could very well end up the man in this organization, but you can’t just assume that based on what we’ve seen. The draft is about exploring all options.
by Are we cursed? on Jan 9, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
Agree 100%
We could debate this all day, but my thinking is that things start up front, and we have issues there. But RG3 is going to be a good QB in this league wherever he goes.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
I don't think we'll get a 1st rounder for Ponder
We won’t trade him until we grab RG3 and teams will know we don’t need Ponder after that. I don’t think he had the sort of season that can command a 1st round pick or generate a lot of heated competition among teams that are interested in a QB.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I think if we trade back to #4 and Kalil is already gone at 2...
I’d trade back again a few spots and take Martin.
The issue is, as illustrated above,
who do we have for trade partners? If all you can go back is 1 spot, why would you assume there would be another trade after, and why not bargain between the two for just the 1 trade?
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
well, ya, you don't know...
i guess we’d have to hope someone falls in love with claiborne or blackmon at that point (#4).
Todays final scores -
Pittsburgh 31 – Denver 17
N.Y. Giants 34 – Atlanta 24
It would be nice to pick up Marques Colston in free agency but he would likely be pricey.
And is this Kenny Chesney yacking it up with Favre at yesterdays NFC Wildcard Game? (on the right?) Apparently it is.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Chesney's actually a really cool, good dude...
see him around Nashville often.
It saddens me that he’s with that dickface Favre.
It saddens me that he’s with that dickface Favre.
Don’t you mean dickphone?
"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
Worst post of the this thread.
Favre was the mothereffing MAN for us. Don’t you forget it.
What are you, some bitter Packer fan? Lame.
by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 1:54 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Most people are willing for forget the '09 season
save for that last Int, and focus on ’10 for some reason.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Favre did exactly what we all knew he would do...
play well in the regular season with ridiculous offensive pieces around him (Rice made him that year more than the other way around) and choke in the playoffs. In fact, I bet a friend BEFORE THE YEAR that he’d throw a pick to end the NFC title game.
I think Favre made Rice
look at his production before and after Favre. You can deny it all you want but Favre made the team better in 09.
Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.
Favre had an awesome '09
And then age, lack of preparation and a sense of entitlement caught up with him in 2010. Oh well.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I'm not gonna lie, I'm really looking forward to Steelers-Broncos
That game is gonna be soooooooooooo bad.
Can't wait to see what God's gonna do to football's former alleged rapist.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Falcons want that one back.
Where’s our three points?
They’re gone forever Mr. Smith.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
Oh well, two is better than nothing.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
That might be a safety!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Two things:
1. Hate the stupid robot.
2. The animated Napoleon Dynamite show looks stupid.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I gotta say
that new one is pretty funny. I hate to admit it, but it is.
Also, the new Alcatraz show? either gonna be great or stupid—don’t think there’s any gray area for that one.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I'm not holding out much hope.
It seems like it’ll just be another crime procedural. Just with a little bit of time travel. Even with awesome actors (Dr. Grant! Hurley!), there are too many of those on TV.
It's JJ Abrams
It’s not just a procedural. And I like the cast a lot.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
it's essentially Lost II...
and should be good.
Or maybe Lost & Alias mashed up
in which case it will be better than good. ;)
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
i'm actually finally in the middle of watching alias right now...
i’m only a few episodes away from being all done.
been fairly disappointed actually.
lost i liked a lot better. neither touches homeland/the wire/breaking bad though.
Taking bets on how many times Napoleon dances per episode...
It was funny once, it won’t be again.
Btw, anyone see Gentleman Broncos? It was terribly funny. By that I mean funny, but terrible.
I think the Falcons secondary
just had more passes defended in that series than the Vikes secondary had all year.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Speaking of our secondary...
We ended up as the 2nd worst pass defense in the history of the NFL. Anyone know who the worst was?
I'll bite
An early 2000’s Vikes team?
//hopes I’m not right
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Scratch that
2010 Texans
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
and that's without one of the top corners in the game...
(who we should target in FA)
Brent Grimes.
Hell yeah to Grimes. I’d love to have a PA boy on board.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
dude's a stud...
doesn’t get the hype of Asomugha or Revis (who are both awesome of course) but he’s a stud in his own right. wanted him for a couple of years now. no way atl lets him go though.
Man, that Falcons 2 minute drive
was very Chilly-like. All three timeouts, good opportunity to at least get in FG range, and you don’t use two of your TO’s.
And Matt Ryan looks scared. Just putting that out there.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
"Touch"
Because if they had called it “Kiefer Sutherland runs around screaming for an hour every week,” people would have just asked why they canceled 24.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST reply actions
the announcer crews are right...
2 HORRIBLE spots in the 1st half. though the atlanta one was worse; that probably cost them a TD the way they were driving.
True but they exaggerated w/ the Giants one
Aikmann made it sound like they’d have a sure FG attempt. That wasn’t true at all.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, I thought it was a good no-call.
Defender is entitled to the turf he’s standing on. Nicks ran right into him to try to force him back. If anything, I’d call that offensive, but given the hand-jousting that followed, no call was right.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
What I didn't like from that play was the right hand hugging around the back.
That was what struck me as illegal.
Yes, but that's subsequent to the initial contact.
If they called it one way, they had to call it both ways.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I guess if you are a defensive back in the NFL
and wear #21, pass interference doesn’t apply coughcharleswoodsoncough
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I was surprised
The Giants are supposed to get all those calls, being a major market team and all.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
That call was REALLY bad!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Why is it I always hear how good Matt Ryan is.
Yet ‘every’ game I see him, he’s inaccurate and mediocre at best.
He's riding a lot of goodwill from his rookie year.
Which was really all on Turner, anyway.
He has not struck me as an elite QB, either.
i like Ryan...
I think overall his OL is not all that great. he does have weapons though.
I really have started to hate the stiff-arm in recent years...
it’s total BS to me that any touch of a helmet by a defensive player gets a penalty, but an offensive player can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to a helmet of a pursuing defensive player.
nfl’s concerned about safety my ass.
You remember this I realize.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCx3wyi_8_A
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
sure...
but just because it’s my guy doing it doesn’t make it any more “right”. stiff-arming should be illegal IMO. you can do just as much damage to a guy on a stiff-arm as a facemask play by the defense.
stiff-arm to the facemask should be illegal.
Not ‘stiff-arm’ in general.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Feel kind of bad for Atlanta.
They mortgaged their future for Jones in the hopes of a Super Bowl this year. They still need help in the draft.
When will Mike Smith realize
He doesn’t have a good enough offensive line to run these plays everyone knows is coming?
The Falcons on 4th and 1
Have a success rate only slightly better than Ric Flair when he goes to the top rope.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions
Insert obligatory WOO here

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
From the Vikings cheerleading squad -
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
That call is up there with the Gerhard over Ap call for us
It was obvious with a empty backfield
If they try 3rd and inches again, they'll get it.
Third time’s the charm. Ha.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
eh...
I don’t even really hate the Falcons for that anymore. totally different players, and really we cost ourselves that game, not the falcons.
i much prefer the falcons to eli and the ny media.
41-0 was the giants
I agree about the flacons game.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
except for the 'rooting' part, that is.
I can’t root for anyone, except whomever plays the Packers.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
We all agree on that.
JethroBo gets a slide cause of his wife!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Hey thanks.
She has shown signs of rooting for the Vikings too. There’s still hope.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
And I can't 'root' for anyone in the playoffs
except whomever is playing the (redacted)
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
true...
i just mean in a general “2nd team” sense.
i like the pats/falcons/49ers, and respect all 3. don’t really have that with anyone else:
Packers; obvious hate
Saints; hate; still a bitter taste
Giants; Eli, hate
Ravens; dirty as hell
Steelers; hate about as much as the Packers; if you know Steelers fans, you know what I mean
Broncos; uggh
oops; I left out the Texans; I can easily root for them also.
ack, sorry for the double post.
The first time it didn’t go through.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
i don't see crowning...
he’s a good QB that has gotten a ton of flack (rightfully so) for no playoff wins.
This is getting ugly.
I’m hoping there will be at least ONE good game this weekend…
Wait, does that mean Tebow needs to have a good game? I’m screwed…
this is quickly heading towards...
me not watching the superbowl for the 3rd straight year.
and if i do that, i may as well just turn it into an official boycott of the game until the vikes get into one again.
Whatever year I die
The Vikings and Cubs will win it all the next year!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Good thing I'm a Twins fan
I’ve celebrated 2 WS wins in my life. ;)
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
+1
i’m also a huge lakers fan (mn didn’t have a team when i started watching, and i’m fiercely loyal). i can’t even imagine being a cubs and vikings fan both.
it’s a wonder you’re still alive.
The T-wolves didn't exist when I left Minnesota.
I’m still not an NBA fan. The No-stars left, and I spit on the NHL ever since.
Oh, and I still celebrated UMD’s national championship in college hockey. :P
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I just gravitated to the Lakers when I was a kid...
from MN (so most of family loves them too) and in the 80’s it was Lakers or Celtics. I was a huge Magic Johnson guy; still the best basketball player ever IMO, Michael Jordan-lovers be damned.
On the NBA Classics Channel
or whatever (as a Celtic Fan) those classic battles are freakin awesome!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
They need to update the Minneapolis drought of 20 years
WNBA, bitches!!
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
They have a little blur in there about that, but they don't count it
I think they’re only doing big 4 + MLS
More than the NBA and NHL are.
Not that I don’t love hockey. But Bettman has ruined the league.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
in the immortal words of jim rome (and i'm not even a rome fan)..
“soccer is not a sport; it’s a reason to riot.”
Rome's an idiot
I love the commercial where they slam his words up his butt with all the US players. ;)
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know why people hate soccer so much.
It’s probably the biggest sport in the world. The world cups are a blast to watch.
The only reason (I think) that it hasn’t caught on in America is that there’s no way TV stations would want to broadcast games when they don’t get any commercial breaks.
it's the biggest sport in the world...
because it’s so cheap and easy to play for poor countries.
that’s the only reason.
That's not true at all. That's cheap sportswriter boilerplate
US fans don’t like it because they assume ’there’s no action.’ Because we equate action with scoring plays.
World fans don’t like OUR version of football, because they look at the 40 minutes of non-activity in a 60 minute game and wonder how people really care about players standing in a huddle.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
now i agree with that about football...
i never like the argument that it’s not boring. i prefer basketball and baseball both to football, by a lot.
But…
I find both interesting
I always laugh when I hear BASEBALL fans complain that soccer is boring because ‘its low scoring.’
“Do you like a 0-0 pitcher’s duel? Or a no-hitter?”
“Well, yeah…”
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
it's about scoring...
we like offense in america.
if it had a smaller field and more scoring (or some sort of shot clock) it’d be popular. until then, it will never be in the US.
hockey live is incredible...
i can’t get into it on tv, but i go to 15-20 preds games a year just because live it’s incredible.
I'd guess the exact same is true for soccer.
I actually enjoy watching Soccer more on TV than Hockey. I’ve never been to a soccer game live, but the few hockey games I’ve been to live have been an absolute blast.
^^This
Hockey live is phenomenal, best spectator sport there is.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
no argument
Hockey live and soccer in Europe are the two best, for pure atmosphere and continual action.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
soccer in argentina is best by a mile
more passion than even european soccer
by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
would love to go to argentina sometime...
what’s the name of that famous tiered waterfall there?
the one used in “The Mission”?
cataratas de Iguazu
beautiful place, if you go let me know and I’ll get you tickets to a Boca Jrs match, so youll see what I mean!!
you're going to some crappy hockey then...
there’s generally 6-7 goals/game every time i go.
I went to some Avalanche games
when I lived in Denver. Back when the Colorado-Detroit rivalry was going. That was fun.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
the "not a sport" is obviously a joke...
it clearly is. so is women’s basketball…. i guess.
Bocce Ball
is better to watch than soccer! (Ping-Pong, nose-picking, etc)
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
hey, don't diss table tennis...
that’s actually an incredible sport. at least when you’re playing it professionally.
It's a great sport!
My nickname is quick-hands Andy if you ever want to go! (not kidding)
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
So in a best of 7...you or Forrest Gump?

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
My last opponent was a bad ass Ping Ponger!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
i'm game, abba...
my game’s built on my serve.
underhand doesn't cut it!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Name another blog where
we get ping pong SMACK TALK!
Nowhere!
I love DN.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
wait not bong pong
either would work.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Here is a soccer game, any soccer game:
Kick the ball, run up the field. Kick the ball, run down the field.
Rinse. Repeat.
Soccer sucks.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Not even close
Nothing as beautiful to watch as a 20 pass sequence ending in a goal.
Except perhaps a 50yard run that ends in rounding the keeper for one.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We'll agree to disagree
I’ve watched soccer, tried to get into it, and I find it insufferably boring. I understand it, I understand the strategy, but I’m sorry, I think it sucks.
I’m glad that you and the rest of the world find it enjoyable.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
and I should add...
i can watch/support the US in big moments and get into it. But then again, I can watch rowing and be riveted in the Olympics. That’s more about nationalism than the sport itself.
Agreed
I find myself watching US. Sports a lot and getting into it. That’s the only time I watch soccer though.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, even the vaunted writers of the site are shooting blanks today
What’s gotten into DN tonight? I’m gone from heavy posting for a few weeks and people are spouting off this kind of stupidity? Yikes!
Here’s our beloved football.
Guys line up, run for 20 seconds, maybe less. Commercial. Standing around. Line up, run for 10 seconds. Standing around. Commercial.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
See? Isn’t that easy to do?
totally right
soccer is most passionate sport in world, and not because the rest of the world “doesnt know better”,
incredibel sport simply hasnt caught on in the us
by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
see?
“reason to riot”
it’s not like us who don’t like it in the US “don’t understand it”. We do; we just don’t like it. Get over it.
I seem to remember riots in LA, Miami,
and Montreal when their teams win too. Has nothing to do with sports. That’s stupid humans being stupid.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
These things happen at US sports, too.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Not like it happens in Soccer.
Just Google it.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Ah, Google
the impartial arbiter of all things. As reliable as Wikipedia
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
For instance, Google tells me Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU. Though that one might actually be true.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
i know, just kidding...
but seriously, soccer’s just not going to catch on here. it hasn’t yet, and likely never will.
and it’s not because we don’t “get it” or some such thing. we just don’t like it. different mentality. if anything i see football/basketball/baseball getting more popular in so many of these other countries before soccer gets popular here.
It already has 'caught on.'
The question is moot. MLS’ Sounders get better attendance than most MLB teams. Portland does almost as well. The league as a whole rivals the NBA for gate week in, week out.
Youth sports it’s bigger than anything. “Caught on” is a pointless statement with ever-shifting goalposts.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
better than MLB?
the Sounders are averaging 2M plus fans per year?
I said 'most' MLB teams.
Not the top teams, and I meant per-game average, of course.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
well, per game average doesn't really mean anything though...
NFL has a higher per game average than baseball, but we’re talking 1/10th the games.
if baseball only had 16 games a season you better believe the stadiums would be much larger and those games would be PACKED.
Could we?
Not sure fans would pack Miami, for instance. I think they’d be some higher, not much. And MLS has more than 16 games too.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
its all good i really dont care that you dont like it
just dont be a typical xenophobe along the lines of your average unitedstatian sports talking heads, and insult the intelligence if those that do enjoy it (the rest of the world)!!!
by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wasn't trying to insult you.
It’s a great sport, and I actually coached a YMCA team for one year, and was worse than Chilly. I have friend who lives in Rio who adores it. What the hell is a xenophone? Someone who likes Xanax? Are you a cop?
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
A xenophobe is a person
who hates all things foreign.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
OK - Thanks
Understanding others cultures is one of the most interesting things there is!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
wasnt directed at you abba sorry
its all good
by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
no worries...
just realize that it works both ways. that’s the thing that gets me.
i don’t like soccer, but it’s fine that others around the world do, and that’s cool. it works the other way too; those that do like it should understand those of us who don’t, not just chalking it up to "you just don’t “get it”" or something similar. that’s all.
I don't care that you don't like it
I just don’t like when people say it’s not a sport. I know you said you were saying it tongue in cheek, but a lot of people don’t.
i don't believe that anyone ACTUALLY believes...
it’s not a sport.
it’s more of a joke to get under the skin. that’s all.
it’s like the WNBA; obviously it IS a sport, but most of us say it isn’t for the comedy factor.
Golf is freakin awesome.
But one of my beer drinking fat friends can golf in respectable fashion, but if you try to throw the football around with him he simply lets the ball bounce of his torso for fear of spilling his beer. Golf = non sport imo.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Depends on the beer he's drinking.
I wouldn’t waste a good beer on a catch either. ;)
Now if it’s mass-produced St. Louis or Milwaukee swill, then he’s nuts.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Of course!
We all have different opinions on things and you seem like a good guy- glad you’re here participating!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
I'm confused
are you and Los Vikinos the same person? It’s no big deal.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Citing Jim Rome basically debases your entire point…
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
if anything i think they'll go the other way...
because the NHL is kind of a quasi part of the big 4
haha...
as bad a they are, no. a wnba team can’t beat the best HS guys team in the country.
it's just about physicality...
hell, my jr. high team had 3 guys that could dunk IN GAMES. there’s not a wnba team in the league that can do that. and i was from a small town in alaska.
I hope you die soon.
That was a joke. I think you’re great!
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
If the Broncos just aim for Big Ben's hurt ankle..
like the Saints did with Favre, Tebow might just win this one.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Was that the game that broke Carson Palmer?
I remember there was one where afterwards he just lost all ability to play like he had.
Yep, that was the cheap shot.
And I don’t care what anyone says, I’ve 0 respect for Mr Hair afterward
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
it wasn't polamalu...
it was their DE. polamalu and carson are actually extremely close friends and even roomed together for part of college at USC i believe.
Kimo von Oelhoffen
was the name I was looking for. He provided the hit.
my bad
I have seen him go at people’s knees in a similar way though…
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
i hear ya...
but everyone does that. our own antoine winfield, for example.
Winfield doesn't go for knees
He’s actually one of the few guys in the NFL that is a perfect form tackler. Head up, shoulder at the waist, wrap the arms around the legs and drive through the guy.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Might be Brady Quinn
if they getting too far behind too early.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
should be red hot by now.
the falcons are loaded talent-wise.
So do you pull the trigger and fire him?
Atlanta was a dumpster fire before Smith got there, on the heels of Vick’s dogfighting and Petrino leaving before the end of the season. I think he gets one more chance.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
he will...
but i’m not sure he should. he’s gotten absolutely embarrassed (with IMO superior talent) in two straight playoffs now.
and has made some maddening decisions in-game.
Agreed.
He had the better team both years. He ought to have won his division this season, but blew it with the idiotic 4th down.
But I think they give him another year.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Some coaches are great at building a franchise
but not taking the team over the top. I think Smith might be one of them…
But if I were going to do it, then I’d do it in next 48hrs.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
So if they can him, who replaces him?
Fisher is either coming to St. Louis or Miami, and he seems to be the best guy on the market. I don’t see Gruden or Cowher coming out of the TV booth, and they would be the next best available.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I think they could lure Cowher to Atlanta.
Close to his home. Established team that likes to run. Not 3-4, but can’t have everything :P
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
for the record...
i think fisher is highly, highly overrated. he lost his team multiple times in tennessee, as someone that was close to it.
he’s barely won any playoff games. the one year he did anything (their SB run) he shouldn’t have even made it out of the first round (bad call on the Music City Miracle).
and he’s basically .500 as a coach over his career. people can blame his ownership, and that’s somewhat merited, but i just don’t think he’s all that good.
he’s also a real dickhead behind the scenes.
and to your smith point...
i guess i think fisher is similar; he’s a guy that can get you to 8-8 or 9-7, but nothing beyond that longterm.
yep...
the fact that “good giants” showed up this week means that “bad giants” will show up next.
I think they are getting rolling. Nobody thought they would beat the Packers in
Lambeau when they went to the SB and beat the Pats.
could go either way...
that’s the giants. incredibly inconsistent.
Where as
Ryan is overrated, I think Eli is underrated.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Hey, we can agree on that :)
If he was more consistent, I think he’d be considered one of the best QB’s in the game. But he can just as easily throw 4 picks as 4 TD’s.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
yep.
And he can go hot to cold overnight.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
i think he's rated about right now...
he’s got incredible weapons himself right now. his wr group is about as good as the packers/saints IMO.
before eli kind of sucked and was way overrated, but now i think he’s rated about right. he’s turned into a solid qb that has a TON of weapons.
Smith really should be fired after today...
or at least his OC.
There is no way that offense should score ZERO points against the Giants in the playoffs. ZERO.
I think Kyle Rudolph
has an opportunity to become an elite TE. I really, really like that kid.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I don't know that I go that high.
But I do like him a lot.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
i'm just not sure he has the separation skills to be elite...
but his hands are the best already IMO.
Yep
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
oh, he was fun to watch even then
The Terry LeCount game was the greatest football game I ever saw.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
'81 season
Rick Danmeier kicked a FG to win it as time expired out in SD? That game?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Actually it was OT, IIRC
but yeah, that game.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that was one of the best games in Vikes regular season history
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Is that the one where he got helped off the field at least once and
kept coming back in an making plays?
No, that was the game
LeCount caught a TD, then recovered an onside kick.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think I'm thinking of a SD/Miami game that was just back and
forth and I think SD ended up winning on the legs and hands of Winslow.
Which sucks, because there are a lot of Steelers I like.
Yet my rooting interests for them are trumped by some rapist p.o.s.
I love how they competely ignore that
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
I used to like the Steelers.
Now they’re a collection of thugs and pigs.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
i actually root against the steelers because of their fans...
even worse than packers fans in my experience.
but roethlisberger raping 2-3 women just made it even worse.
Nah, no fans are worse than the Packers...
except the Cowgirls.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
hope the giants destroy gb
just came back from the wizards twolves game.
ricky rubio is just sick. so quick. absolute stud
by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
The good Giants D needs to show up next week for them to have a shot.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
No, the really good Giants offense
needs to show up and try to outscore the Packers. I don’t know that anyone can stop the Packers.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
KC did. Somehow. With defense. Mostly because of Tamba Hali…remember him Ted? ;-)
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
ya, it's just too bad that they still won't win anything likely...
there are better young cores than them and with the new rules they’re basically locked in to Love and Rubio as their best 2 players. and those 2 will never win a title.
Have to disagree
I could see them winning a title in 2 or 3 years. Besides rubio(who is amazing for a first year player) and love, people forget about williams whos showed flashes of brilliance in his first year too They need to change up some of the other personel and get a couple vets for depth as the oldest guy is 30 and almost everyone else is under 25. And they need a wing and maybe an upgrade at post. But they are really close to being one of the better teams in the league. I think with the coaching they have this year we’ll see improvement throughout this season as well.
I find nba salaries strange brad miller is making about as much as love but I didnt even realize he was on the team. According to Espn he is. Weird that Beasley makes a lot more than anyone on the team as well.
by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
in 2-3 years?
no way. the team still doesn’t have a go-to scorer (a must for a title team), and williams and love are both PF’s naturally. they need a LOT of help still, don’t have many assets left (Wes sucks, Beasley sucks) and Love isn’t a #1 on a title team.
besides....
competition. both Chicago and OKC, for instance, have far brighter futures. not to mention more “veteran” teams like the lakers/heat/mavs.
oh, and Memphis...
The Wolves still need MAJOR upgrades at C, 2g, and SF.
You don't think they can address the things they need in the next couple years in free agency?
Mn has has a problem with ANY even semi decent player coming here because of how screwed up everything has been. Now there seems to be order and an excellent core of young players. So they will have a much easier time bringing in help including a go to scorer. That and Williams may turn out to be that go to guy down the road.
So yes in a couple years I definitely see them the nucleus to be in serious contention.
by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also Williams can play either forward position
And the way the nba seems to move players around them other teams can lose talent to other teams including the wolves.
If they can go from being thee worst franchise for so many years to possibly finishing around 500 in one year there is no reason not to think with some experience and a couple free agent pickups/trades they can be really good.
by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nope...
1) they won’t have any cap room to sign anyone impactful; such is the new CBA structure. especially after Love’s max contract goes in.
2) MN is one of the least desirable NBA locations for players to play.
3) Williams is NOT a SF. He’s a 4; that’s his natural position. Ideally he’s traded for a real wing. But this team just isn’t going anywhere. Maybe a team at its ceiling that wins 1 round in the playoffs, but that’s about it.
agree to disagree i guess
1. never said this is immediate. If the FO has the brains, which as of recently i think they do, they will be able to shuffle around players in the next couple of YEARS, and become legit threats. Trade williams for a pure wing…that could happen. trade/release beasley lord knows he’s not worth the 6+mil hes getting this year. other people can be moved as well. The new CBA will affect every team/player just like it does the T-wolves. It doesnt mean they have to sit on their hands while other teams get better.
2. Why dont NBA players like to be here? Garnett loved it here minus the crappy FO and franchise not going anywhere. Besides the team being so bad for so long I dont see a legit reason.
3.he’s listed as someone that plays both and I dont think he has the size to be an effective 4 IMO.
I guess I dont like negative attitudes and that what I see from everything you write. I dont understand how someone can just write them off… I’m just trying to stay positive in hopes that these young studs will bring this franchise from the dumps…at the same time my thinking is NOT unrealistic.
don't mean to be negative...
i just see that as realistic re: the wolves; i just don’t see them ever winning anything as constructed, even though i like love and rubio.
i’m actually super optimistic in general. oh well.
Tampa Bay is interviewing Brad Childress for a HC position!!!!
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
I was really beginning to like Josh Freeman too….
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
poor guy
He’ll be jump-passing 8 games into next season.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
poor josh johnson too...
who i also REALLY like. i think he’d start for most teams in the league.
Miami,
Seattle, Browns, Miami, Seattle!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
yup, and a few others...
he’s better than sanchez, IMO, for instance.
You know, it was time for Chilly to go
But the guy did some good things while he was here.
//ducksforcover
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I won't argue.
But everything on-field, someone else could have done just as good.
Rebuilding the culture following the scandals, sure.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Good for them. Childress was heavily under-rated by clueless feebs around these parts
We’ll be missing him for the next few years while our coaching staff continues to suck like they did this year.
Just my opinion but wow was Frazier & crew underwhelming this year. :(
Childress is a good coach. No doubt.
But he is horrible at evaluating talent. Whoever hires him better not let him have final say over the 53 man roster or else they will be in the same position we are when they let him go.
I suppose I need to revisit his draft day decisions to remind everyone how awesome he was at building a roster while trying to win the big one. He sold his sole to the devil trying to win one Super Bowl without caring about the back end of the roster or the age of some of the veterans.
If you believe he did not have final say during the drafts then it is useless to debate. I could be wrong but I cannot see how one person can have final say over the 53 man roster and NOT have final say in the drafts.
Pretty sure Childress struggled his first season too
We were only 6-10 that year. After starting 4-2. With Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie.
And then the next season, when we got a game-breaking RB in Peterson, Childress played it cute the first several games of the season and had him backing up Taylor when it was quite clear Peterson was the better back. I recall a close game against GB where Peterson had about 80 yards on 12 carries in the first half.. and you barely saw him in the 2nd. Let’s not forget that teams managed to just completely shut us down that year too. The 49’ers game, where Peterson got all of 14 yards? Thankfully our defense was getting ints, or that would’ve been ugly.
I think time is making your memories of Childress a little more bright. He was stubborn, stubborn, stubborn, when it came to calling plays. Aside from ’09 Favre-magic, his teams really underwhelmed.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
NOOOOO! Aaron Rodgers State Farm commercial!!!!
If it wasn’t for Jordy Nelson, he would be my least favorite Packer.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:19 PM CST reply actions
They brought Raji in now.
It ruined it completely. The original was humorous. Now its just.. too much. MOVE ON STATEFARM.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
it makes me sick on several levels.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
it is fitting...
that the first thing that springs to mind after watching a packers video is….
nausea.
Alright... Game on
Denver vs Steelers
Odds are favoring Steelers to win but Ben is not 100%
This levels the playing field some what.
I’ll take a Denver upset. Injuries affect Denver in a big way.
Quinn is on stand by just in case the ‘emergency glass’ needs to be broken for 2nd half.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions
Darn it... it should say Injuries affect PITTSBURGH in a
big way…
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
ok. we're on the same page. Let's see how things rumble!
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I had to DVR back to it... Wow!
A most unusual start. Never seen anything like that. Could that be a sign of a larger presence at work? Perfect bounce, perfect landing on the 20. Untouched. Only time will tell if this omen benefits Denver or Steelers.
Just remember… one play put Favre out of commission. I wouldnt wish it upon any QB. The playing time of Big Ben is precious in these opening series.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
At least that time the route partially explained it.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
crotchery sure blew that one
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Atlanta shows what a team can do with two really good WRs, a good RB, and no line
I know there are some fans who want the Vikings to go with Blackmon at #3 but without a line then the Vikings will do the same as Atlanta.
You mean finish 10-6 and win a division?
I don’t think it proves your point as well as you think, since no one is saying don’t improve the line. We’re just saying don’t dump bpa for some perceived need in 1 area when we have several of equal need.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
After watching Lions/Saints
It’s painfully obvious we need an offensive line. I don’t think anyone could effectively argue going WR before OLine.
We also need a secondary
Probably more than we need line help. The point is, when you have this many needs, you don’t focus on one. You draft bpa. If that’s line, great. If it’s not, so be it. If someone wants to unload a truck to let us trade back and pick up more, that’s great too. But if Kalil is not available @ #3, you don’t force a draft pick for an o-lineman.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I agree on not forcing OLine if Kalil is unavailable at 3
But it’s an area we need to address somewhere in the draft.
Oh, Harrison too.
Even more surprising
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think he throws a good deep ball, tbh.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Make them respect the deep ball
Opens up the run. I think a lot of the over-conservatism is Fox’s preference.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow
the bomb master!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
The lord works in strange ways
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
And he threw it before the break
which I saw Merill Hoge saying on Twitter the other day Tebow wouldn’t do. hehe
I thought they already said he's out.
Which makes it really scary, when they announce it that fast.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
yep, that sucks...
decker’s a stud and will have a very long and successful nfl career; have always thought that.
ironically i think he’s most similar to ed mccaffery.
they showed the backside only.
When I saw it live, it looked like he let it slip to the turf. But they didn’t show the front side before the break.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
fooled me
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
He does what's expected of him.
The problems come if he falls behind and has to throw when the other team wants. But that’s true with ‘any’ conservative, run-first offense.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Broncos don't have to take Big Ben out to win this one.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
he was really really dumb...
to play recently. should have sat and got healthy for the playoffs.
Alright.. the higher powers are definitely
favoring Denver now. Good omen.
Denver is playing different. Focused. Determined.
Full of character + talent. You need both.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions
Maintain your composure Broncs!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Rob! may take Napoleon Dynamite's thunder as the worst TV show of the year.
Definitely looks the most racist…
Not gonna be a blowout.
Denver doesn’t know blowouts.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
A good O-Line
can make this happen!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
That's why I cannot favor
drafting RGIII or a WR for first round.
The Vikings need the OLine re-established for the next 5-10 years around Ponder & Webb.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
I also love the game of golf. My favorite golf GPS app is OptimalClub.
It is hands down the BEST golf aid you'll ever have for club distances
under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!
by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Good linemen come in other rounds too.
The Vikings have more needs than just O-line. But I agree, there’s no reason to draft RG3 unless someone offers to give us draft picks for Ponder. That ain’t gonna happen.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm not saying we shouldn't take Kalil
if he’s @ #3. But we shouldn’t force-feed an o-lineman if he’s gone.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
agree...
but in that case, trade down and get martin.
If we can then yes.
But you have to have a partner to trade down.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I would normally be rooting for Denver, but I got so sick of Tebow everything.
I hope that doesn’t start again. I mean, it didn’t totally go away, but it had really died down after the 3 losses in a row.
Because it's so bad to have a quarterback whose a decent human being.
As opposed to rooting for punks and rapists, for example.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
No, but you have to admit, it was a little bit of overkill.
Especially when his defense was probably more responsible for some of those victories, and Tebow was getting all the credit.
That's the press's fault
more than it is Tebow’s though.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
I didn't say it was his fault. I am saying I just don't want to hear it again. And yes,
that would be the press and the people that parrot the press.
Sorry, but that doesn't cut it to me.
All QBs are over-publicized.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we will have to just disagree on this. But you could not turn on any
TV show without hearing the name Tebow.
So?
I can’t without hearing Big Ben, Rodgers, or any other QB as well. Goes with the position.
And it IS a legitimate story, because Denver rewrote their whole offense to play him.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Not on every TV show. Even the ones that don't normally cover
sports. You had to be living in a cave or under a rock or something not to know that it was overkill, completely.
He wasn't getting all the credit.
In fact, most of the ESPNers were trying to CYA from their previous ‘consensus’ he could never PLAY in the NFL. And the defense wasn’t ‘more’ responsible. The offense scored the points they needed, and kept the defense off the field to play aggressively.
It’s a conservative offense. But it’s not the defense scoring points.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
The defense had to keep the oppositions scoring way down. And Tebow really
didn’t have to carry the team. But you wouldn’t know that from the reports.
Sure you would
Every report I read mentioned how they were behind in the 4th quarter. Every one mentioned the low score in the headline as well.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
nope
I just find the hatred for him amusing. It’s ok to be a rapist and over-publicized. But don’t let the Christian be in the news.
And don’t even suggest that has nothing to do with the Tebow-hate.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Then you should be mad at every QB
Especially the one in your handle.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Come take the blinders off. You know that the word Tebow was
everywhere for about 2 months. When they lost it totally went away from the non-sports entities. You don’t see that much hype for every QB. Hell, even the best ones you don’t hear about unless they get into trouble, then it usually fades within a news cycle.
Tebow was on everything. I don’t hate the guy, I just don’t want to see him on every channel I turn to every day at any time of the day.
Favre wasn't on every media outlet?
Oh my…come on. Double standard much?
I’ve never seen a player over-exposed like Brett was.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, he was. And notice I said "unless they get into trouble"
and I was sick of hearing about that too. But there was a reason for him being on other venues besides just the sports news.
Tebow is so overblown, and you know why, because he is controversial and it’s because of his views, not so much for his play. But that is what they all made it out to be.
So, no, not a double standard. But keep it coming.
not true
that offense did the D no favors. they avg’d more 3 and outs with Tebow at the helm then we did for our 1st 6 games. that D played a lot of min. allowing a very bad Offense to scrape get away with scoring very few points.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
That might be Denver's ball!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
You'll have to remind me what the college rule is
I don’t follow college football as closely as I do NFL.
Continuous action
means that the play on any possible fumble goes on, regardless of whistle, until the ball is picked up.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
How do refs standing on the goal line
miss where the ball crosses the line when there’s no one between him and the ball?
Pathetic.
So…not only did they blow the lateral pass.
They blew this spot. They wouldn’t be wanting Pitt to win or anything, would they?
It passed right behind his head
and he was held down from jumping.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
im just so glad to have a game worth watching...
The other 3 were done in the 3rd….
I expected this to be a roll over by Pitt…im surprised.
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
I'm not surprised this is close.
Pitt hasn’t been scoring points, Ben was hurting, and Denver doesn’t put up big scores.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
i guess they just stopped calling them
Cause ive seen atleast a dozen since our Lions game NOT be called.
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
no timeouts
can’t stop the clock to bring in the FG team
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
it's Suisham
52 yard max, even in Denver, 66 is a dream
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Prater made it through the uprights from the 35
on one of those kickoffs :x
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
getting Ben killed again
was funny too. :P
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Back from being out
Shame that it appears I’ve mostly missed a hell of a game.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM CST reply actions
And hey, it's time for the new overtime rules!
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM CST reply actions
Don't remind me
Goddamn Saints game and the bullshit pass intereference call on Leber that wasn’t.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Alright some GOOD overtime rules now.
C’mon Steelers! send that Tebow home crying!
Watching them explain these rules to these guys is great...
They were like um..ok can we flip the coin now?
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depends, if there was a blizzard
I might like Denver’s chances…
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow brings god with him...
Thats like a 2nd team right?
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Elway looked like Lindsey Lowhan....
Someone keep him away from the spray tan booth!
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Tim Tebow just became
my favorite non-Viking player in the NFL.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You know all those rules we just explained?
Yeah, never mind, you’re not going to need those.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions
Oh come on Steelers!!
How could you let freaking TEBOW beat you!?! DAMN IT.
Wait, color me confused
Why doesn’t Pittsburgh get the ball? I thought they got an opportunity.
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If the team that gets the ball first scores a TD
The game is over.
If they settle for a FG, then the other team gets a shot with the ball.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, FG gets a change of possession
HERPDERPDERPHERP on me.
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bet
That the rule gets another look in the off season
by Lunchpail on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
It did exactly what it was supposed to.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Because the league approved team did not win
that’s why
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
You're going to look me in the eye and tell me
The league didn’t want Tebow to win that? The guy’s more marketable than Peyton Manning.
Over the Steelers?
I will look you in the eye and tell you that.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
REally?
They wanted Tebow to win? That’s why the refs totally blew that fumble call when it was 20-6, right? Or missed a blatant facemask on their last drive.
Come off it, man.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
If the team receiving the kickoff scores a TD, it's over
They only took away the quick field goal wins.
I think it's because they scored more than 3 points.
Seems stupid to me. Should be guaranteed possession for both teams, imo.
Much easier to get a field goal
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Winning games on FGs to end a season sucks.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch the game lol?
He throws fine lol. He threw all over those CBs lol.
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I did
I also watched him whiff a large number of throws. He looked about as good as Big Ben did and he didn’t look impressive at all.
He looked good in HD
Maybe you should watch the game in HD lol.
I wish we had his horrible talent then :P
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Haters gonna hate
I’m sick of Tebow-time, but you’ve got to give credit where its due. Tebow did pretty good this game, against the #1 pass defense. Just knocked them in the jaw.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know what you expect from the QB position then, man.
Tebow did damn good in this game. He had that shakey first quarter, but after that he was in it to win it. I didn’t see him “whiff” on a large number of passes at all. There was a big underthrow, but other than that the ball was in position for a WR to catch it and make some moves after.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow was 10/21 in the game
If Ponder or Webb had completion % like that, people would be calling for their heads.
... And he threw for over 300 yards
on 10 completions. If Webb or Ponder threw for 316 yards against the STeelers, people would be saying they’re a QBOTF.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Besides that
Did you actually see some of the balls he threw? I swear some of them tumbled vertically in the air
I did watch the balls he threw..
He drove it in there tight most of the time. He had some misfires, but, it happens to everyone.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Argh. I know right?
That defense is good but playoff win alone good? Why do teams ALWAYS underperform against them. WHY?!
Why?
He actually played a solid game of football this time. I mean, I hate all the Tebow-talk too, but.. you have to give the guy credit.
He made a handful of huge throws.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
If I would have said Ef Roethlisberger would you have made that comment?
Had nothing to do with his play, which I fully give him credit for.
Interestingly enough: all the 5 & 6 seeds lost this weekend.
All the remaining teams are division winners.
he sold out to the run.
And they made plays that took advantage of his tendencies.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
If Randy Moss sandbagged like Polamolu just did
The hate would be flowing.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
But he'll get praised for going all out
I can already see Trent Dilfer…"This is who Polumalu is…blah blah….christian ponder’s terrible….Polamalu’s still the best safety in the league…
No, he's usually pretty good.
John Fox just got into his head. Or whoever was calling plays. They worked him over psychologically, so he started playing more hesitant.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
He sells out to the run constantly though.
And this is why he makes plays. Unfortunately for the Steelers, it also gives up big plays. I’ve noticed it more than once today.
I may not be able to watch ESPN for the next week
Oh Shit,The National Championship is on ESPN tomorrow
You might have to go live in a cave to escape it entirely for the next week. Don't worry though,
he’ll get beat next weekend and then we can come out from hiding.
thats what they said this week....
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As beat up as the Steelers were. Anyways. the NE offense will be able to put up
numbers at home against the Denver D. Can Tebow keep up. He will have to pass.
Um, like the 300+ yards he did today?
Or something else?
Why does everyone hate him so much lol
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Tebowmania.
I was sick of hearing about how good he was too, when he was having shitty games save for the 4th quarter. Now that he did actually have a solid game all around, though, I’m willing to ease off for a week to let him get some deserved credit.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Well..
I think he showed he can pass. I mean, let’s get real here.. The Patriots are a terrible pass-defense team. They struggle to create pressure. The Steelers didn’t even get a QB knock-down or hit on Tebow. If Tim plays like he did today, he’s going to carve up New England.
Who’s lost, at home, twice in a row.. against lesser competition.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I heard on NPR that the odds in Vegas were 120 to 1 against Denver
I bet there’s some happy Bronco betters tonight!
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
I bet Jesus put a Franklin
on Denver. I kid, I kid.
//looksupforlightningbolt
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This has been the worst football season ever in my lifetime for me.
The only bright spot were my ISU Cyclones beating the odds and making a bowl with the massive upset of OSU. Then prompty sucking in that bowl. Then that one upset caused another SEC wank-fest in the NCG. Vikes sucked, Pack are the Super Bowl favorite and Tebow continues to have success.
HATE football this year.
No-- the only bright spot was...
The Kansas City Chiefs defeated the Green Bay Packers.
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, this football season can die in a fire
for all I care. I’m with you, man.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I picked Denver to win this...
Of course I also picked Atlanta— stupid Atlanta, for 3 of 4.
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Haha yeah..
That Julio Jones thing blew up in their face in epic fashion. Didn’t even get points for themselves on the board.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Tebow
He’s such an awful passer that he had over 300 yards today. This is the first time I didn’t see the QB that threw the game-winning TD get interviewed after the game. I suppose they were terrified that he might thank God for his success. Perish the thought in P.C. Amerika (Yes, I purposely spelled it that way. This country is trying to put in the same kind of government that they sent me to fight against in Vietnam.) Also – Pittsburgh didn’t deserve to win. The only reason they were in the game at the end was THREE blown (?) calls by the zebras.
If they did, there's a large double standard with Tebow
Jared Allen couldn’t go more than 4 words when he was being interviewed about breaking the franchise sack record without mentioning God or Jesus. Really, I think there’s quite a few players who would mention God in interviews. Tebow may catch flack for how devout he is, but realistically, he’s a part of the majority, or at least a very large minority.
Tebow not being interviewed after the game...
Don’t worry. Skip Bayless will talk it to death on Monday.
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who didn't?
Only the most die-hard of Tebow fanatics or people just trying to play devil’s advocate picked the Broncos to win against Pittsburgh.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Good upset
Pitt’s center Pouncey was out, R- burger was hobbled, and Denver has a good defense. That with Denver’s mile high altitude made it a good upset.
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It certainly was
I was afraid that blown fumble-call was going to decide the winner, but the team that played better actually won today. So.. good job, Denver.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Patriots are now my favorite team for a week
Go Pats!
by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow. That's incredibly embarrassing for you.
I could never, ever, in good conscience root for the asstacular Patriots. Nope. No way.
This was a GREAT win and I’m happy for Tebow and the Broncos. Awesome sauce!
Forgive me
For not liking a guy because he’s marketable despite being terrible at the position he plays.
What's wrong with the Patriots?
They haven’t won the trophy since… ’04? Its been a while. Plus their exciting to watch with that offense. And now McDaniels is back. Ohhh boy.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
ha tebow wins again
haters can suck it
"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."
Good game for him
I’m just glad the Broncos came out on top. I would’ve hated for the Steelers to win another playoff game because of questionable refereeing.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
The refs are saving that for Green Bay!!
by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh.
I hope the Giants put Rodger’s squarely on his ass 5 or 6 times.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting begining and end...
Opening kickoff rests exactly on the 20 yard line, after bouncing off the goal post.
Final play lasts only 11 seconds with Tebow completing exactly 316 yards passing as a testament to John 3:16
The higher powers were definitely involved in this game.. There is no explaining it. It even disrupted Pittsburgh’s final drive to be out of field goal range.
Go figure.
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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 8:26 PM CST reply actions
if
if you are Pitt, dont you at least try a 67 yard fg…in that thin air maybe he squeeks one through. if not OT…maybe Den special teams are strong..I dont know.
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jan 8, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions
anyway
anyway, I not a fan of either team, but it was a good, dramatic football game.
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jan 8, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's a looong way to kick
Even Janikowski, who has perhaps the strongest leg in the league, has made a 63 (Raiders may argue 64) yarder at the most.
Plus, there’s always the possibility that it gets returned for a TD and the game is over. It was safer just to punt. Right call, there.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
That missed FG gets returned, you know.
And Suisam doesn’t have a 60 yard leg on the moon. Altitude doesn’t put 15yards on a guy’s leg.
No way I kick a FG there.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
you know
the last time the Giants went to the Spooge field to play the circle jerk team, they won the Superbowl. I’m not sayin’ … I’m just sayin’.
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Their D-line is certainly as impressive now
as it was then. If not more-so. And Manning has better weapons in the passing game. They probably are the best team to slow down the Packers in the post-season though. Nobody else can get to Rodgers as well as they could.
Although, I suppose somebody could argue the Saints might be good enough too, with their well-documented questionable hits.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
dunno....
the ‘aints almost won opening day, and their offense wasn’t clicking like it is now…..
I think the niners might give the pack fits, too…
Tebow is doing very well
I wanted the Vikings to move up and get him too. I had it in one of my mocks.
His first year they had Kyle Orton taking the first team snaps whilst Tebow was learning the offense. They finally had enough of Orton and put in Tebow.
Then this year they get a whole new staff and offense and he did not have OTA and mini camps, etc. He is a winner. He may never be a great passer. He manages to play well when it counts though.
I think they get worked next week because their defense cannot stop New England. Tebow will not look very good. But he will have had a decent second year (more like his first since he did not start last year). He is on his way.
It would be hard to be Elway. You got Tebow who somehow manages to win and his teammates love him. He inspires his teammates. Not because of his religious beliefs although I am sure there are other players on Denver who are just as devout as Tebow. I think it is his toughness that inspires them.
It is too early to give up on him if you are Denver. So far he is 8-4 this year. Not bad. He had some nice throws yesterday. Very nice. Some awful ones too. Very awful.
He will probably never be a top rated passer in the league. Just as long as the team gets the win. That is all that matters.
They won’t try to keep up with the Patriots. They’ll keep them off the field as best they can. I’m expecting a bunch of run-run-pass sequences. Its not like the secondary is incredibly stout against the pass, Tebow should be able to consistently convert on 3rd and longs if he throws like he did this last game.
Although, if I’m Denver, I’m looking at that Pats vs Jets game last year to see how they befuddled Brady for so long.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Dawkins is supposedly...
one of the most devout guys in the league.
Only posting this to make this thread 667 comments. Why tempt fate?
Somebody’s perceived geological representation of all NFL teams.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
That guy must have been a Vikings fan.
Minnesota should be like 1/2 Packers.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

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