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What's A 'Futures Contract' And What's The Trade Value For A Number Three Pick? Your Vikings Sunday Brunch And Wildcard Open Thread

Justin Blackmon could be a key player in a Vikings revival, just not in the way you probably think.

Hi gang, how has your weekend been? Here in the Gateway of the West, daughter the eldest is getting ready to move overseas, but her and her mom are out right now doing mom and daughter stuff, so I have a little down time. There's a lot of stuff going on with our Vikes, so we'll use this as kind of a Sunday Brunch roundup, and we'll keep it as our open thread for the two playoff games today. Let's get the real live football stuff out of the way: At noon CST, Atlanta heads to the Meadowlands to play the Giants, and the afternoon game has Pittsburgh going to Denver to play the Broncos. Give me the Falcons and Steelers. What say you, commentariat?

Now, on to the Vikes stuff:

Yesterday Chris told us about the Hall of Fame finalists, two of which are Vikings, Chris Doleman and Cris Carter. I doubt both of them will get in, but the fact that Cris Carter isn't in already is criminal. When you look at the list of finalists, you have to like CC's chances, as well as Doleman's. That said, I'll be pleasantly stunned if they both get in. I'll be doubly stunned if nether of them make it.

Fearless Leader also had a little ditty about the Colts taking Andrew Luck with the first overall pick, turning up the value of the second and third pick even more in supposed trade jockeying for Robert Griffin III. And while I agree with that, I want you to keep an eye on Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon and how much his stock will rise as draft day approaches. Blackmon is a junior who has declared for the draft, and has been described by Hall of Fame and former Viking QB Warren Moon as 'Dez Bryant with all his brain cells'. He had a great Fiesta Bowl, and people are already talking him up big. As an idea what a guy like Blackmon could draw in a trade, let's look at last year's draft. Julio Jones was the most sought after WR, and in exchange for moving up to the number four spot, Atlanta gave the Cleveland Browns five draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012. So add a year and move up a spot, you would think that's the floor for what the Vikings could command at #3.

Should the Vikings draft Blackmon? I know a lot of people will advocate that, and normally, I think you could talk me into it. This year, though, I think the Vikings can find a good, proven WR in free agency, and they need to focus on the offensive and defensive lines in the draft, at least early on. The chances of finding a great tackle in free agency are almost nil, as teams lock those guys up early and often.

Folks, the Vikings have a golden opportunity here. Assuming Luck goes 1, two of the following three will be on the board when the Vikes are on the clock: Matt Kalil, Robert Griffin III, and Justin Blackmon. With the new rookie wage scale, teams are no longer reluctant to trade into the top 5 to get a guy they think they need. If the Rams pass on Kalil, I think the Vikes need to grab him and not look back. If the Rams take him, I say trade down to the highest bidder for a longboatload of picks, take a guy like OSU's OT Mike Adams later in the first round, and reap the bounty that somebody like Atlanta will give us.

After the jump, we'll talk stadium, Pat Reusse, and what exactly a futures contract is.

Star-divide

The Strib is reporting that the Arden Hills site isn't going to work, and that the Vikes need to focus on Minneapolis. Personally, I think the Minneapolis Mafia will win this. And by 'mafia', I mean 'various political figures who probably didn't kill 5 hookers at SMU like Craig James might have done'. They have too much political clout to not get their way, truth be told. When Wilf announced the Arden Hills plan, the St. Paul mayor didn't get on board and they threw their collective hissy fit, I figured one of two things would happen: Either the Vikes would move, or would end up in Minneapolis. I still think Arden Hills is better, but if a Minneapolis deal is the only thing that keeps them in Minnesota, I'll take it.

Is Rick Spielman trying to justify his promotion to GM after 9 wins in two seasons as the defacto personnel roster guy? The cynic would say yes. The optimist would say that we have a good one in Christian Ponder. According to The Godfather, Spielman told him Ponder was the 'best QB in the NFL' in red zone efficiency. I like Ponder and think he'll be the long term answer. Hey, I like Joe Webb, too. But the fact of the matter is stats don't mean beans for either of these guys unless they get some weapons and protection.

Hey, it's the least the NFL could do, right? The Vikings will be one of two coaching staffs that will coach the Senior Bowl, a game where college seniors are invited to play in what amounts to an All Star game and showcase their wares for NFL teams. Mike Shanahan and the Redskins staff will be the opposing coaches. The Vikes really got hurt last year with no off season program, so this will give them a little bit of an advanced scouting advantage. Let's hope they can make the most of this opportunity and find some gems in the draft.

The Old Curmudgeon, Patrick Reusse, thinks the Vikes (and Twins) are delusional. Reusse is right to an extent, at least in the Vikings case. I get that the Wilfs are being purposely optimistic--to promote season ticket sales, get the stadium across the finish line and so forth; they have to publicly be upbeat. But when he also reports that GM Rick Spielman feels the need to overhaul the roster to the tune of 30-35 new players next year (which I agree with, by the way) maybe the Wilfs need to temper the unabashed enthusiasm.

Apparently, there's a thing called a 'Futures Contract'. Apparently, the Vikings signed FB Matt Asiata to one. I had never heard of this 'futures contract', so I found this on Sports Agent Blog:

A lot of agents have been busy Tweeting about their clients signing “futures contracts.” They are called futures contracts because they technically are premised on future performance, as the NFL season does not officially begin until March. The only players who are eligible to sign this type of contract are those who were not on their teams’ active rosters at the conclusion of this past season.

Asiata, if you'll recall, was signed by the Vikes as an undrafted free agent and made it until the final cutdown. He spent a week or two on the practice squad before he was released.

That's all for now. Feel free to comment on any of these stories, the playoff games, or anything else.

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Shocking to think that..

Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU.

"I wanted to do it because it's fun, it's fun to do bad things and drive into a car."

by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

THERE'S NO PROOF HE DID!

But then again, there’s no proof he didn’t, is there?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 12:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Such a beautiful thing. His campaign had to release a statement denying that Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair question. Could go either way, really.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't familiar with a "Google Bomb"

until this incident.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree w/ trading back if Kalil is there.

I love RG3, but I don’t think we should talk him. I’m tempted by Blackmon, because whatever you want to say about the FA class, young receivers with elite talent are rare, and WR is a position a rookie can make instant impact. And having a reliable target a defense has to double makes blitzing dangerous in a way it simply isn’t for defenses now. So I think having real targets makes the line better by default. And our WR corps isn’t just bad, it’s abysmal. We don’t need just 1 FA Wideout. Other than Percy, who ideally is a slot #2 (who can do lots of other things well, to be fair) we don’t have a WR that belongs on an NFL roster, IMHO.

That said, WR isn’t the only place with glaring holes, and we do need a LT more than a wideout. So if we can trade back for that boatload, than I’m all for it. But anything less, and I’d say we’re better off taking BPA.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

we don't have a wr that belongs on an NFL roster

Hopefully Michael Jenkins will be back, he’s better than people give him credit for. A-do seemed to step it up towards the end of the season. Let’s not forget our second round draft pick, Rudolph. The Vikings receivers will look better if they improve the offensive line, and give our QB’s time to throw. Personally I’ll be very disappointed if the Vikings don’t come away from the draft with the rights to Kahlil. Left tackle has been such a big need for quite some time and Kahlil is rated number two overall in the draft.

by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rudolph isn't a wide out.

I like him. But he’s not a vertical threat. And Jenkins is serviceable at best. I can endure him as a #3, preferably #4. Not our functioning #1. And no, our receivers won’t look better if the o-line is better, because if you don’t have speed to separate, you’re not going to separate. Conversely, receivers who can get open quickly do make the line look better. Or at least keep the QB upright.

That said, I still agree we need a LT over a WR. I’m just not willing to drop back for guards or ‘depth’ positions, unless we’re picking up a boatload.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm almost positive

that the Vikings will go after a big name WR in free agency since there should be quite a few of them. If they don’t, Spielman doesn’t deserve to be GM. For the record, I think he does. Therefore I could see him going after a WR in FA

by SirGrizzly on Jan 8, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Except that given the number of holes we have, we should make sure the trade back should be worthwhile. Otherwise just take bpa.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

As long as that BPA isn’t a QB, DE, or RB. Anything else can be picked.

by SirGrizzly on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

depends...

if we can still get kalil or martin, i’m fine with it

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

Atlanta offered the same package for Cincy’s #4 pick to take AJ Green, but they opted to take him. I don’t know how you can turn down 2 1st rounders, a 2, and two 4th rounders.

I think trading out of #3 pick is what Vikes are hoping to do

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by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Jan 8, 2012 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

To get that much, I think it would need to be a much lower team trying to trade up

The order looks something like this (* = depends on playoff results)

1. IND
2. STL
3. MIN
4. CLE
5. TB
6. WAS
7. JAC
8. CAR
9. MIA
10. BUF
11. KC
12. SEA
13. ARI
14. DAL
15. PHI
16. NYJ
17. CIN
18. SD
19. CHI
20. TEN
*21. CIN
*22. DET
*23. CLE
*24. PIT
*25. DEN
*26. NYG
*27. HOU
*28. NE
*29. BAL
*30. SF
*31. GB
*32. NE

Now look at the bottom and see who would be willing to trade up for RG3 (only real target… maybe Blackmon, but it’s a deep WR draft). First one I see is maybe Arizona at 13 (although they gave up a boatload for Kolb). Tennessee at 20 has a 1st round QB they aren’t gonna give up on yet. Cleveland won’t trade up as they know neither the Rams or us are going to take RG3.

After that, we have Seattle (12), Miami (9), and Washington (6). I could see those guys trying to trade up for sure, but I don’t think they’d be willing to give up as much as Atlanta did to do so.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I think there's a possibility

that Miami is going to shell out big bucks for Fischer – and if he were to say “I want RG3”, it’s possible they might go big.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Word here in St. Louis

is that Fisher is going to the Rams. Wishful thinking? Quite possibly, but if I’m Fisher, I’d rather go to a place that has Sam Bradford as opposed to a dumpster fire at QB.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

which begs the question...

does Fisher try to trade back, take Kalil, or get the offensive weapon in Blackmon??

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by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Fisher is a "lines" guy...

so I think he’d take Kalil as well.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought they already had two recent high draft picks invested in tackles?

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

they do...

but both have been busts so far.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Just looked up their depth chart on ESPN. Neither are listed. There goes my optimism for the Rams passing on Kalil.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

interesting scenario, Ted

all the talk has us trading back for a team who wants RG3. never thought of a team wanting Blackmon.

either way, i think we need to trade back; even if Kalil is still there (but i like Reiff and i think he will close the gap…)

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by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

...and for some reason mobile put that response up here and not down there...

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by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 12:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I really don't see anyone trading up for Blackmon...

at least not far. He’s not the talent that AJ Green and Julio Jones were, IMO. And it’s a FAR better FA WR class this year too.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

disagree...

I think Jones is a hell of a WR (very similar to White). I think Blackmon will not be all that good; think Mike Williams.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones is a MUCH faster than Blackmon...

and he’s slightly bigger than Blackmon too.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, in fairness

The more I think about it, they probably wouldn’t. The Falcons were drafting late in the first round, so they really needed to overpay, if that’s the right word, to get Jones and make it worth Cleveland’s while.

A trade back to 6, 9, or 12 wouldn’t need as much to get done, but it would still be a good deal for the Vikings. Also, let’s not forget Denver. Yes, they said they aren’t looking for a QB, but they’re not going to come right out and say they are right before their first playoff game in a few years.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they target a QB. That gets us back in the range of an Atlanta-Cleveland deal.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that we would trade down if given the chance.

We have so many holes to fill. I’m just thinking it’ll be more likely that we’ll get a 1 + 2ish from Washington or Miami. Although, I don’t have that pick value chart so I may be shorting us.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i wouldnt be surprised if Wash goes after Flynn

leaving Miami as the obvious trade partner. a 1st, 2nd and 5th + a 2013 2nd is a realistic offer; anything more than that might be wishful thinking.

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by rj-b on Jan 8, 2012 5:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

yes you are,

we should get wash’s(600pt differential) 1st, 2nd, and 4th and we give them back our 2nd 7th, is very close. Miami is 800 point differential. they give us their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, we give them back our 2nd 7th. it would be very unlikely for a team to trade all its’f 1st through 4th picks in one draft, so you could probably work something like wash’s 1st and 3rd this year and their 1st and 3rd next year. I am not sure how future picks are evaluated using points since draft order is not known in future years.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

well...

traditionally a 1st rd pick next year is worth a 2nd rder this year, 2nd next year worth a 3rd rder this year, etc.

also, the trade value chart is kind of thrown out the window now a bit with the new rookie salary cap. we have no idea how that alters the values.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see Cleveland trading up to 3rd to avoid us trading to someone else who would take RGIII.

It might be that we could trade for their 2 1st rounders, take Blackmon using the #4 and get an OT with #23.

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by berserkerND on Jan 8, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

If that happens, I'd poo myself in glee.

I think that would be a really bad move on Cleveland’s part, but they may covet RG3 enough to do it. Seems like something Holmgren would avoid.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I see the logic in that

I just think that if the Vikes could do that (and I’d be on board with that trade) use the #4 pick on Claiborne, the LSU CB, and the other one on a T like Adams.

I know we need WR’s, but I think they can get serviceable to good guys in FA and get that unit back to respectable pretty quickly. Assume Jenkins comes back healthy, you’ve got a good start with him, Percy, and Rudolph. One or two guys in FA, and we’re in business there.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

What if we picked RG3

For the sole purpose of screwing Cleveland and forcing them to trade their 2 first rounders for the QB they covet?

by IL PurpleRain on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Never pick a guy you think someone else wants

Always pick a guy you want/need. Worry about yourself first and always when it comes to the draft.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly.

There’s absolutely no logical reason to do that. We leave our own positions unaided, and then we have a player on the roster we don’t intend to use. Waste of money, waste of roster space. The only reason to draft RG3 is if you think he’s so much better than what we have that you simply can’t let him go by.

While I think he’s potentially a very good NFL QB, I also think Ponder can be one. So I don’t know how we are supposed to draft him just to make an incremental upgrade when we have many positions that need a massive one.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

it depends i think...

on what you could get for ponder. i think you could get a 1st for ponder from some team, so it’s not like you lose the value of that 1st rder completely.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

which teams?

Would give us a 1st round. Seriously.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And if a team would give us a first for Ponder

Why the hell would we trade him?

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

If a team did that, sure I'd take RG3

But I don’t see anyone trading for him and giving us draft picks when they can get what they want themselves.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

at least 1 team (probably more like 3)...

are going to be left without a good QB; ie left without Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn, or RGIII.

I think whoever’s left (Miami/Redskins/Browns/Seattle/Chiefs/possibly even Jaguars) might give up a 1st for Ponder.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

no we're not..

we’re left with RGIII was my whole point.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

alrighty, your last post made it sound different is all.

I just don’t see anyone making that trade and leaving RG3 on the board for us.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

well, it's about value...

to get rgIII the redskins/chiefs/dolphins have to give up something like 2 1sts, or a 1st and 2 other picks. to get ponder they have to give up one pick. big difference in value.

my point is that teams are going to be left scrambling for an answer at qb after they’re gone. this is one reason it really might make sense for us to trade joe webb this season if there’s a team out there that really believes in him. i like the kid too. but if we could get a 2nd rd pick or something similar for him? i’d do that.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I'd trade Webb for another pick

And that’s value. We picked him up in the 4th round, and get a 2nd for him? Whatever else someone says, that’s a value trade in the end.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

again, i like webb...

and he’s a nice insurance policy. you can even make a good argument he’s outplayed ponder so far, but if the value’s there, it’s awfully tempting…

trade rgIII for 2 1st rd picks
trade webb for 2nd rd pick

#4, #26(ish), #35, 2nd for Webb, #67, #99, #102, #133, #141

and 6 more picks in the 6th/7th rds to find sleepers.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

then you're back at square 1

Having to teach a new kid a new book.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

sure...

it all depends on how you feel about rgIII. i like ponder, but i think rgIII can be a game-changer.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

they felt the same about ponder

Every single drafted qb is a gamble flat out. We have already thrown our gamble in. They need to let it play out now.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i'm sure they will...

no doubt we’ll stick with him. i’m just saying what i’d do.

but i have no doubt in the world that we’ll stick with ponder (spielman’s guy) and either trade rg3 and trade down or take kalil. no doubt.

and that’s fine.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

for some reason

They actually have faith in Rex lol

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

semantics...

i don’t actually buy that they believe that.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i doubt rex does either lol

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know...

but seeing what the Cards gave up for Kevin Kolb, I think someone would give up a first rounder for a guy who showed flashes as a rookie despite playing behind a pitiful offensive line and with no offseason to begin the learning curve.

If you think RG3 will be better than Ponder, it’s tough to justify passing on him (not saying I do). The one position you can’t afford to screw up is the QB position.

by Are we cursed? on Jan 8, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

Denver made the playoffs while trotting out a RB for half the season at QB. they did it by having stellar Line play and good running game with an elite Defense. there are lots of ways to be successful, but the key is not to have one elite player at just one position but to be solid to better than solid at many positions. While Carolina which has a stud QB is only mildly better then last year.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but we could trade Ponder for a first round pick...

and shore up two positions in the first round. In theory, we could get RG3 at pick #3, an LT later in the first round with the Ponder trade pick, a WR in free agency, and a defensive back in round 2.

I’m not saying that I’m sold on RG3, but if Spielman does his job and determines he is the real deal, we can make this work. RG3 on his own does not solve our problems. It will take other moves to right this ship.

by Are we cursed? on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly...

also, i could care less about the tebow situation. he wins a superbowl and i’ll listen; until then, it proves nothing. it’s all about a superbowl. anything less is meaningless. imo.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

So the developement of a good QB

in an effort and hope of winning a future Super Bowl is meaningless for all but one of these teams?

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by abba7 on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't get it

developing a good QB is essential to any organization. But it has to be the right guy. I’m not saying Ponder isn’t that guy and RG3 is that guy. I’m just saying that you must consider the possibility that RG3 is a franchise QB and Ponder isn’t. That’s tough to do with both guys being so young, but that’s what being a football GM is all about. Getting young guys who can play. Ponder could very well end up the man in this organization, but you can’t just assume that based on what we’ve seen. The draft is about exploring all options.

by Are we cursed? on Jan 9, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

We could debate this all day, but my thinking is that things start up front, and we have issues there. But RG3 is going to be a good QB in this league wherever he goes.

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by abba7 on Jan 9, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we'll get a 1st rounder for Ponder

We won’t trade him until we grab RG3 and teams will know we don’t need Ponder after that. I don’t think he had the sort of season that can command a 1st round pick or generate a lot of heated competition among teams that are interested in a QB.

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by kcskol on Jan 10, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The issue is, as illustrated above,

who do we have for trade partners? If all you can go back is 1 spot, why would you assume there would be another trade after, and why not bargain between the two for just the 1 trade?

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

well, ya, you don't know...

i guess we’d have to hope someone falls in love with claiborne or blackmon at that point (#4).

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Todays final scores -

Pittsburgh 31 – Denver 17

N.Y. Giants 34 – Atlanta 24

It would be nice to pick up Marques Colston in free agency but he would likely be pricey.
And is this Kenny Chesney yacking it up with Favre at yesterdays NFC Wildcard Game? (on the right?) Apparently it is.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Chesney's actually a really cool, good dude...

see him around Nashville often.

It saddens me that he’s with that dickface Favre.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It saddens me that he’s with that dickface Favre.

Don’t you mean dickphone?

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by NorthernStar on Jan 8, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Chesney: Could you text me like that sometime Brett?

Favre: I don’t know Kenny. I got into a lot of trouble last time.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Most people are willing for forget the '09 season

save for that last Int, and focus on ’10 for some reason.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Favre did exactly what we all knew he would do...

play well in the regular season with ridiculous offensive pieces around him (Rice made him that year more than the other way around) and choke in the playoffs. In fact, I bet a friend BEFORE THE YEAR that he’d throw a pick to end the NFC title game.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Favre made Rice

look at his production before and after Favre. You can deny it all you want but Favre made the team better in 09.

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by TroyW18 on Jan 10, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Favre had an awesome '09

And then age, lack of preparation and a sense of entitlement caught up with him in 2010. Oh well.

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by kcskol on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Falcons want that one back.

Where’s our three points?

They’re gone forever Mr. Smith.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Oh well, two is better than nothing.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That might be a safety!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

Nice run by Jacobs

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Two things:

1. Hate the stupid robot.

2. The animated Napoleon Dynamite show looks stupid.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

I gotta say

that new one is pretty funny. I hate to admit it, but it is.

Also, the new Alcatraz show? either gonna be great or stupid—don’t think there’s any gray area for that one.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not holding out much hope.

It seems like it’ll just be another crime procedural. Just with a little bit of time travel. Even with awesome actors (Dr. Grant! Hurley!), there are too many of those on TV.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It's JJ Abrams

It’s not just a procedural. And I like the cast a lot.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe Lost & Alias mashed up

in which case it will be better than good. ;)

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm actually finally in the middle of watching alias right now...

i’m only a few episodes away from being all done.

been fairly disappointed actually.

lost i liked a lot better. neither touches homeland/the wire/breaking bad though.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Taking bets on how many times Napoleon dances per episode...

It was funny once, it won’t be again.

Btw, anyone see Gentleman Broncos? It was terribly funny. By that I mean funny, but terrible.

by Bjorno on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the Falcons secondary

just had more passes defended in that series than the Vikes secondary had all year.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of our secondary...

We ended up as the 2nd worst pass defense in the history of the NFL. Anyone know who the worst was?

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll bite

An early 2000’s Vikes team?

//hopes I’m not right

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

1981 Baltimore Colts

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Scratch that

2010 Texans

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell yeah to Grimes. I’d love to have a PA boy on board.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

dude's a stud...

doesn’t get the hype of Asomugha or Revis (who are both awesome of course) but he’s a stud in his own right. wanted him for a couple of years now. no way atl lets him go though.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, that Falcons 2 minute drive

was very Chilly-like. All three timeouts, good opportunity to at least get in FG range, and you don’t use two of your TO’s.

And Matt Ryan looks scared. Just putting that out there.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

"Touch"

Because if they had called it “Kiefer Sutherland runs around screaming for an hour every week,” people would have just asked why they canceled 24.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

the announcer crews are right...

2 HORRIBLE spots in the 1st half. though the atlanta one was worse; that probably cost them a TD the way they were driving.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

True but they exaggerated w/ the Giants one

Aikmann made it sound like they’d have a sure FG attempt. That wasn’t true at all.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, I thought it was a good no-call.

Defender is entitled to the turf he’s standing on. Nicks ran right into him to try to force him back. If anything, I’d call that offensive, but given the hand-jousting that followed, no call was right.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I guess if you are a defensive back in the NFL

and wear #21, pass interference doesn’t apply coughcharleswoodsoncough

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

I was surprised

The Giants are supposed to get all those calls, being a major market team and all.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

That call was REALLY bad!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly

A play like that reminds of the credo that the tie goes to the runner. But tough call after seeing it again.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is it I always hear how good Matt Ryan is.

Yet ‘every’ game I see him, he’s inaccurate and mediocre at best.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

He's riding a lot of goodwill from his rookie year.

Which was really all on Turner, anyway.

He has not struck me as an elite QB, either.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

i like Ryan...

I think overall his OL is not all that great. he does have weapons though.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I really have started to hate the stiff-arm in recent years...

it’s total BS to me that any touch of a helmet by a defensive player gets a penalty, but an offensive player can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to a helmet of a pursuing defensive player.

nfl’s concerned about safety my ass.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

crap!

There was a vid I have of AP stiff arming three dudes on one play on YouTube – and now says dropped because of copy write infringement.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You remember this I realize.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCx3wyi_8_A

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

sure...

but just because it’s my guy doing it doesn’t make it any more “right”. stiff-arming should be illegal IMO. you can do just as much damage to a guy on a stiff-arm as a facemask play by the defense.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

My point. Have to protect a mans neck and spine no matter who.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

right...

to the head in general.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Big play here!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

When will Mike Smith realize

He doesn’t have a good enough offensive line to run these plays everyone knows is coming?

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

The Falcons on 4th and 1

Have a success rate only slightly better than Ric Flair when he goes to the top rope.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

Insert obligatory WOO here

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

From the Vikings cheerleading squad -

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If they try 3rd and inches again, they'll get it.

Third time’s the charm. Ha.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

Nicks is the man today

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

hahaha

you gotta love the giants

also, glad this matty ice talk is going to be dying down

by Murgo on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

eh...

I don’t even really hate the Falcons for that anymore. totally different players, and really we cost ourselves that game, not the falcons.

i much prefer the falcons to eli and the ny media.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

except for the 'rooting' part, that is.

I can’t root for anyone, except whomever plays the Packers.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We all agree on that.

JethroBo gets a slide cause of his wife!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey thanks.

She has shown signs of rooting for the Vikings too. There’s still hope.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

haha..

right. my bad. i knew that.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

true...

i just mean in a general “2nd team” sense.

i like the pats/falcons/49ers, and respect all 3. don’t really have that with anyone else:

Packers; obvious hate
Saints; hate; still a bitter taste
Giants; Eli, hate
Ravens; dirty as hell
Steelers; hate about as much as the Packers; if you know Steelers fans, you know what I mean
Broncos; uggh

oops; I left out the Texans; I can easily root for them also.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

meh

different team. our fault

i just dont like the crowning of matty ice

by Murgo on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't see crowning...

he’s a good QB that has gotten a ton of flack (rightfully so) for no playoff wins.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

He is right there!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This game just may be over!

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

This is getting ugly.

I’m hoping there will be at least ONE good game this weekend…

Wait, does that mean Tebow needs to have a good game? I’m screwed…

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

this is quickly heading towards...

me not watching the superbowl for the 3rd straight year.

and if i do that, i may as well just turn it into an official boycott of the game until the vikes get into one again.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

But... but...

Madonna is going to play the halftime show!

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever year I die

The Vikings and Cubs will win it all the next year!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Good thing I'm a Twins fan

I’ve celebrated 2 WS wins in my life. ;)

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

i’m also a huge lakers fan (mn didn’t have a team when i started watching, and i’m fiercely loyal). i can’t even imagine being a cubs and vikings fan both.

it’s a wonder you’re still alive.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The T-wolves didn't exist when I left Minnesota.

I’m still not an NBA fan. The No-stars left, and I spit on the NHL ever since.

Oh, and I still celebrated UMD’s national championship in college hockey. :P

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I just gravitated to the Lakers when I was a kid...

from MN (so most of family loves them too) and in the 80’s it was Lakers or Celtics. I was a huge Magic Johnson guy; still the best basketball player ever IMO, Michael Jordan-lovers be damned.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

On the NBA Classics Channel

or whatever (as a Celtic Fan) those classic battles are freakin awesome!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They need to update the Minneapolis drought of 20 years

WNBA, bitches!!

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

MLS?

that’s not even a sport

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

More than the NBA and NHL are.

Not that I don’t love hockey. But Bettman has ruined the league.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Rome's an idiot

I love the commercial where they slam his words up his butt with all the US players. ;)

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

haha...

just not a soccer fan. i just can’t get into it, and likely never will.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know why people hate soccer so much.

It’s probably the biggest sport in the world. The world cups are a blast to watch.

The only reason (I think) that it hasn’t caught on in America is that there’s no way TV stations would want to broadcast games when they don’t get any commercial breaks.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

it's the biggest sport in the world...

because it’s so cheap and easy to play for poor countries.

that’s the only reason.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not true at all. That's cheap sportswriter boilerplate

US fans don’t like it because they assume ’there’s no action.’ Because we equate action with scoring plays.

World fans don’t like OUR version of football, because they look at the 40 minutes of non-activity in a 60 minute game and wonder how people really care about players standing in a huddle.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

now i agree with that about football...

i never like the argument that it’s not boring. i prefer basketball and baseball both to football, by a lot.

But…

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I find both interesting

I always laugh when I hear BASEBALL fans complain that soccer is boring because ‘its low scoring.’

“Do you like a 0-0 pitcher’s duel? Or a no-hitter?”

“Well, yeah…”

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

right on

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:21 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

it's about scoring...

we like offense in america.

if it had a smaller field and more scoring (or some sort of shot clock) it’d be popular. until then, it will never be in the US.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You could say the same about Hockey

Yet you don’t hear anyone saying “Hockey’s not a sport!”

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hockey live is incredible...

i can’t get into it on tv, but i go to 15-20 preds games a year just because live it’s incredible.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd guess the exact same is true for soccer.

I actually enjoy watching Soccer more on TV than Hockey. I’ve never been to a soccer game live, but the few hockey games I’ve been to live have been an absolute blast.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

^^This

Hockey live is phenomenal, best spectator sport there is.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

no argument

Hockey live and soccer in Europe are the two best, for pure atmosphere and continual action.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

soccer in argentina is best by a mile

more passion than even european soccer

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

would love to go to argentina sometime...

what’s the name of that famous tiered waterfall there?

the one used in “The Mission”?

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

cataratas de Iguazu

beautiful place, if you go let me know and I’ll get you tickets to a Boca Jrs match, so youll see what I mean!!

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Been to plenty live games. Have never seen

a puck go in the net, unless it was an empty goal score.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

you're going to some crappy hockey then...

there’s generally 6-7 goals/game every time i go.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't been to one since the North

Stars left. I don’t even watch it anymore.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I went to some Avalanche games

when I lived in Denver. Back when the Colorado-Detroit rivalry was going. That was fun.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

the "not a sport" is obviously a joke...

it clearly is. so is women’s basketball…. i guess.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Bocce Ball

is better to watch than soccer! (Ping-Pong, nose-picking, etc)

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

hey, don't diss table tennis...

that’s actually an incredible sport. at least when you’re playing it professionally.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a great sport!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

So in a best of 7...you or Forrest Gump?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

My last opponent was a bad ass Ping Ponger!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm game, abba...

my game’s built on my serve.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

underhand doesn't cut it!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Name another blog where

we get ping pong SMACK TALK!

Nowhere!

I love DN.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

PingBongSmack.com

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

wait not bong pong

either would work.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, wrong.

Man, you say a LOT of wrong stuff. Where DID you come from, anyway?

by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Here is a soccer game, any soccer game:

Kick the ball, run up the field. Kick the ball, run down the field.

Rinse. Repeat.

Soccer sucks.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not even close

Nothing as beautiful to watch as a 20 pass sequence ending in a goal.

Except perhaps a 50yard run that ends in rounding the keeper for one.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We'll agree to disagree

I’ve watched soccer, tried to get into it, and I find it insufferably boring. I understand it, I understand the strategy, but I’m sorry, I think it sucks.

I’m glad that you and the rest of the world find it enjoyable.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

and I should add...

i can watch/support the US in big moments and get into it. But then again, I can watch rowing and be riveted in the Olympics. That’s more about nationalism than the sport itself.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I find myself watching US. Sports a lot and getting into it. That’s the only time I watch soccer though.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, even the vaunted writers of the site are shooting blanks today

What’s gotten into DN tonight? I’m gone from heavy posting for a few weeks and people are spouting off this kind of stupidity? Yikes!

Here’s our beloved football.

Guys line up, run for 20 seconds, maybe less. Commercial. Standing around. Line up, run for 10 seconds. Standing around. Commercial.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

See? Isn’t that easy to do?

by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

totally right

soccer is most passionate sport in world, and not because the rest of the world “doesnt know better”,
incredibel sport simply hasnt caught on in the us

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

Thank goodness!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

see?

“reason to riot”

it’s not like us who don’t like it in the US “don’t understand it”. We do; we just don’t like it. Get over it.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I seem to remember riots in LA, Miami,

and Montreal when their teams win too. Has nothing to do with sports. That’s stupid humans being stupid.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

These things happen at US sports, too.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not like it happens in Soccer.

Just Google it.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, Google

the impartial arbiter of all things. As reliable as Wikipedia

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

For instance, Google tells me Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU. Though that one might actually be true.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i know, just kidding...

but seriously, soccer’s just not going to catch on here. it hasn’t yet, and likely never will.

and it’s not because we don’t “get it” or some such thing. we just don’t like it. different mentality. if anything i see football/basketball/baseball getting more popular in so many of these other countries before soccer gets popular here.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It already has 'caught on.'

The question is moot. MLS’ Sounders get better attendance than most MLB teams. Portland does almost as well. The league as a whole rivals the NBA for gate week in, week out.

Youth sports it’s bigger than anything. “Caught on” is a pointless statement with ever-shifting goalposts.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

better than MLB?

the Sounders are averaging 2M plus fans per year?

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I said 'most' MLB teams.

Not the top teams, and I meant per-game average, of course.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well, per game average doesn't really mean anything though...

NFL has a higher per game average than baseball, but we’re talking 1/10th the games.

if baseball only had 16 games a season you better believe the stadiums would be much larger and those games would be PACKED.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Could we?

Not sure fans would pack Miami, for instance. I think they’d be some higher, not much. And MLS has more than 16 games too.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i know...

but we’re talking 162! that’s a whole different thing. of course attendance is less when you have a game every other day of the calendar year!

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Please, seriously.

Just. Stop. Posting.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 2:02 AM CST up reply actions  

its all good i really dont care that you dont like it

just dont be a typical xenophobe along the lines of your average unitedstatian sports talking heads, and insult the intelligence if those that do enjoy it (the rest of the world)!!!

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I wasn't trying to insult you.

It’s a great sport, and I actually coached a YMCA team for one year, and was worse than Chilly. I have friend who lives in Rio who adores it. What the hell is a xenophone? Someone who likes Xanax? Are you a cop?

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

OK - Thanks

Understanding others cultures is one of the most interesting things there is!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

no worries...

just realize that it works both ways. that’s the thing that gets me.

i don’t like soccer, but it’s fine that others around the world do, and that’s cool. it works the other way too; those that do like it should understand those of us who don’t, not just chalking it up to "you just don’t “get it”" or something similar. that’s all.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't care that you don't like it

I just don’t like when people say it’s not a sport. I know you said you were saying it tongue in cheek, but a lot of people don’t.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't believe that anyone ACTUALLY believes...

it’s not a sport.

it’s more of a joke to get under the skin. that’s all.

it’s like the WNBA; obviously it IS a sport, but most of us say it isn’t for the comedy factor.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Golf is freakin awesome.

But one of my beer drinking fat friends can golf in respectable fashion, but if you try to throw the football around with him he simply lets the ball bounce of his torso for fear of spilling his beer. Golf = non sport imo.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on the beer he's drinking.

I wouldn’t waste a good beer on a catch either. ;)

Now if it’s mass-produced St. Louis or Milwaukee swill, then he’s nuts.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed...

golf and bowling are both not sports. they’re games. like darts.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course!

We all have different opinions on things and you seem like a good guy- glad you’re here participating!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm confused

are you and Los Vikinos the same person? It’s no big deal.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Citing Jim Rome basically debases your entire point…

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true.

You think they’ll start calling it the big 5?

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

if anything i think they'll go the other way...

because the NHL is kind of a quasi part of the big 4

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

haha...

as bad a they are, no. a wnba team can’t beat the best HS guys team in the country.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

it's just about physicality...

hell, my jr. high team had 3 guys that could dunk IN GAMES. there’s not a wnba team in the league that can do that. and i was from a small town in alaska.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you die soon.

That was a joke. I think you’re great!

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Broncos just aim for Big Ben's hurt ankle..

like the Saints did with Favre, Tebow might just win this one.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that the game that broke Carson Palmer?

I remember there was one where afterwards he just lost all ability to play like he had.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, that was the cheap shot.

And I don’t care what anyone says, I’ve 0 respect for Mr Hair afterward

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

it wasn't polamalu...

it was their DE. polamalu and carson are actually extremely close friends and even roomed together for part of college at USC i believe.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Kimo von Oelhoffen

was the name I was looking for. He provided the hit.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

my bad

I have seen him go at people’s knees in a similar way though…

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

i hear ya...

but everyone does that. our own antoine winfield, for example.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Winfield doesn't go for knees

He’s actually one of the few guys in the NFL that is a perfect form tackler. Head up, shoulder at the waist, wrap the arms around the legs and drive through the guy.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Might be Brady Quinn

if they getting too far behind too early.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

should be red hot by now.

the falcons are loaded talent-wise.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

So do you pull the trigger and fire him?

Atlanta was a dumpster fire before Smith got there, on the heels of Vick’s dogfighting and Petrino leaving before the end of the season. I think he gets one more chance.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

he will...

but i’m not sure he should. he’s gotten absolutely embarrassed (with IMO superior talent) in two straight playoffs now.

and has made some maddening decisions in-game.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

He had the better team both years. He ought to have won his division this season, but blew it with the idiotic 4th down.

But I think they give him another year.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Some coaches are great at building a franchise

but not taking the team over the top. I think Smith might be one of them…

But if I were going to do it, then I’d do it in next 48hrs.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

So if they can him, who replaces him?

Fisher is either coming to St. Louis or Miami, and he seems to be the best guy on the market. I don’t see Gruden or Cowher coming out of the TV booth, and they would be the next best available.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they could lure Cowher to Atlanta.

Close to his home. Established team that likes to run. Not 3-4, but can’t have everything :P

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

for the record...

i think fisher is highly, highly overrated. he lost his team multiple times in tennessee, as someone that was close to it.

he’s barely won any playoff games. the one year he did anything (their SB run) he shouldn’t have even made it out of the first round (bad call on the Music City Miracle).

and he’s basically .500 as a coach over his career. people can blame his ownership, and that’s somewhat merited, but i just don’t think he’s all that good.

he’s also a real dickhead behind the scenes.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

and to your smith point...

i guess i think fisher is similar; he’s a guy that can get you to 8-8 or 9-7, but nothing beyond that longterm.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Pack are gonna throttle the Giants in Lambeau.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

yep...

the fact that “good giants” showed up this week means that “bad giants” will show up next.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

could go either way...

that’s the giants. incredibly inconsistent.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Where as

Ryan is overrated, I think Eli is underrated.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, we can agree on that :)

If he was more consistent, I think he’d be considered one of the best QB’s in the game. But he can just as easily throw 4 picks as 4 TD’s.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i think he's rated about right now...

he’s got incredible weapons himself right now. his wr group is about as good as the packers/saints IMO.

before eli kind of sucked and was way overrated, but now i think he’s rated about right. he’s turned into a solid qb that has a TON of weapons.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith really should be fired after today...

or at least his OC.

There is no way that offense should score ZERO points against the Giants in the playoffs. ZERO.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, that's too bad.

I can’t think of a better receiving TE.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Kyle Rudolph

has an opportunity to become an elite TE. I really, really like that kid.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, he was fun to watch even then

The Terry LeCount game was the greatest football game I ever saw.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

'81 season

Rick Danmeier kicked a FG to win it as time expired out in SD? That game?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was one of the best games in Vikes regular season history

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No, that was the game

LeCount caught a TD, then recovered an onside kick.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I'm thinking of a SD/Miami game that was just back and

forth and I think SD ended up winning on the legs and hands of Winslow.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

hope the giants destroy gb

just came back from the wizards twolves game.
ricky rubio is just sick. so quick. absolute stud

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

The good Giants D needs to show up next week for them to have a shot.

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-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No, the really good Giants offense

needs to show up and try to outscore the Packers. I don’t know that anyone can stop the Packers.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

KC did. Somehow. With defense. Mostly because of Tamba Hali…remember him Ted? ;-)

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

ya, it's just too bad that they still won't win anything likely...

there are better young cores than them and with the new rules they’re basically locked in to Love and Rubio as their best 2 players. and those 2 will never win a title.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Have to disagree

I could see them winning a title in 2 or 3 years. Besides rubio(who is amazing for a first year player) and love, people forget about williams whos showed flashes of brilliance in his first year too They need to change up some of the other personel and get a couple vets for depth as the oldest guy is 30 and almost everyone else is under 25. And they need a wing and maybe an upgrade at post. But they are really close to being one of the better teams in the league. I think with the coaching they have this year we’ll see improvement throughout this season as well.

I find nba salaries strange brad miller is making about as much as love but I didnt even realize he was on the team. According to Espn he is. Weird that Beasley makes a lot more than anyone on the team as well.

by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

in 2-3 years?

no way. the team still doesn’t have a go-to scorer (a must for a title team), and williams and love are both PF’s naturally. they need a LOT of help still, don’t have many assets left (Wes sucks, Beasley sucks) and Love isn’t a #1 on a title team.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

besides....

competition. both Chicago and OKC, for instance, have far brighter futures. not to mention more “veteran” teams like the lakers/heat/mavs.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, and Memphis...

The Wolves still need MAJOR upgrades at C, 2g, and SF.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't think they can address the things they need in the next couple years in free agency?

Mn has has a problem with ANY even semi decent player coming here because of how screwed up everything has been. Now there seems to be order and an excellent core of young players. So they will have a much easier time bringing in help including a go to scorer. That and Williams may turn out to be that go to guy down the road.

So yes in a couple years I definitely see them the nucleus to be in serious contention.

by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Also Williams can play either forward position

And the way the nba seems to move players around them other teams can lose talent to other teams including the wolves.

If they can go from being thee worst franchise for so many years to possibly finishing around 500 in one year there is no reason not to think with some experience and a couple free agent pickups/trades they can be really good.

by reebs on Jan 8, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

nope...

1) they won’t have any cap room to sign anyone impactful; such is the new CBA structure. especially after Love’s max contract goes in.

2) MN is one of the least desirable NBA locations for players to play.

3) Williams is NOT a SF. He’s a 4; that’s his natural position. Ideally he’s traded for a real wing. But this team just isn’t going anywhere. Maybe a team at its ceiling that wins 1 round in the playoffs, but that’s about it.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

agree to disagree i guess

1. never said this is immediate. If the FO has the brains, which as of recently i think they do, they will be able to shuffle around players in the next couple of YEARS, and become legit threats. Trade williams for a pure wing…that could happen. trade/release beasley lord knows he’s not worth the 6+mil hes getting this year. other people can be moved as well. The new CBA will affect every team/player just like it does the T-wolves. It doesnt mean they have to sit on their hands while other teams get better.

2. Why dont NBA players like to be here? Garnett loved it here minus the crappy FO and franchise not going anywhere. Besides the team being so bad for so long I dont see a legit reason.

3.he’s listed as someone that plays both and I dont think he has the size to be an effective 4 IMO.

I guess I dont like negative attitudes and that what I see from everything you write. I dont understand how someone can just write them off… I’m just trying to stay positive in hopes that these young studs will bring this franchise from the dumps…at the same time my thinking is NOT unrealistic.

by reebs on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

don't mean to be negative...

i just see that as realistic re: the wolves; i just don’t see them ever winning anything as constructed, even though i like love and rubio.

i’m actually super optimistic in general. oh well.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

where did you watch the game

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

at verizon center in DC

rubio had 14 dishes, could have had 20….

by los vikingos on Jan 8, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Tampa Bay is interviewing Brad Childress for a HC position!!!!

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Hahahahahahahahahaha

/wipes tear from eye

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Hah

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I was really beginning to like Josh Freeman too….

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

poor guy

He’ll be jump-passing 8 games into next season.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

poor josh johnson too...

who i also REALLY like. i think he’d start for most teams in the league.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you serious???

Name 5!

Hey Green Bay, where's your WNBA title???

by SDVike on Jan 8, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Miami,

Seattle, Browns, Miami, Seattle!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yup, and a few others...

he’s better than sanchez, IMO, for instance.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Matt Moore looked serviceable down the stretch and Colt McCoy would be better if he had anything around him. I’ll give you Seattle

Hey Green Bay, where's your WNBA title???

by SDVike on Jan 8, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, it was time for Chilly to go

But the guy did some good things while he was here.

//ducksforcover

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't argue.

But everything on-field, someone else could have done just as good.

Rebuilding the culture following the scandals, sure.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for them. Childress was heavily under-rated by clueless feebs around these parts

We’ll be missing him for the next few years while our coaching staff continues to suck like they did this year.

Just my opinion but wow was Frazier & crew underwhelming this year. :(

by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Childress is a good coach. No doubt.

But he is horrible at evaluating talent. Whoever hires him better not let him have final say over the 53 man roster or else they will be in the same position we are when they let him go.

I suppose I need to revisit his draft day decisions to remind everyone how awesome he was at building a roster while trying to win the big one. He sold his sole to the devil trying to win one Super Bowl without caring about the back end of the roster or the age of some of the veterans.

If you believe he did not have final say during the drafts then it is useless to debate. I could be wrong but I cannot see how one person can have final say over the 53 man roster and NOT have final say in the drafts.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 9, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Childress struggled his first season too

We were only 6-10 that year. After starting 4-2. With Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie.

And then the next season, when we got a game-breaking RB in Peterson, Childress played it cute the first several games of the season and had him backing up Taylor when it was quite clear Peterson was the better back. I recall a close game against GB where Peterson had about 80 yards on 12 carries in the first half.. and you barely saw him in the 2nd. Let’s not forget that teams managed to just completely shut us down that year too. The 49’ers game, where Peterson got all of 14 yards? Thankfully our defense was getting ints, or that would’ve been ugly.

I think time is making your memories of Childress a little more bright. He was stubborn, stubborn, stubborn, when it came to calling plays. Aside from ’09 Favre-magic, his teams really underwhelmed.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

NOOOOO! Aaron Rodgers State Farm commercial!!!!

If it wasn’t for Jordy Nelson, he would be my least favorite Packer.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 8, 2012 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

They brought Raji in now.

It ruined it completely. The original was humorous. Now its just.. too much. MOVE ON STATEFARM.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Alright... Game on

Denver vs Steelers

Odds are favoring Steelers to win but Ben is not 100%
This levels the playing field some what.

I’ll take a Denver upset. Injuries affect Denver in a big way.
Quinn is on stand by just in case the ‘emergency glass’ needs to be broken for 2nd half.

Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
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under current elevation and weather conditions. Stop guessing & score low!

by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Darn it... it should say Injuries affect PITTSBURGH in a

big way…

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

ok. we're on the same page. Let's see how things rumble!

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I had to DVR back to it... Wow!

A most unusual start. Never seen anything like that. Could that be a sign of a larger presence at work? Perfect bounce, perfect landing on the 20. Untouched. Only time will tell if this omen benefits Denver or Steelers.

Just remember… one play put Favre out of commission. I wouldnt wish it upon any QB. The playing time of Big Ben is precious in these opening series.

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Tim 3 and out bow

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

Atlanta shows what a team can do with two really good WRs, a good RB, and no line

I know there are some fans who want the Vikings to go with Blackmon at #3 but without a line then the Vikings will do the same as Atlanta.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 8, 2012 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

You mean finish 10-6 and win a division?

I don’t think it proves your point as well as you think, since no one is saying don’t improve the line. We’re just saying don’t dump bpa for some perceived need in 1 area when we have several of equal need.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

After watching Lions/Saints

It’s painfully obvious we need an offensive line. I don’t think anyone could effectively argue going WR before OLine.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We also need a secondary

Probably more than we need line help. The point is, when you have this many needs, you don’t focus on one. You draft bpa. If that’s line, great. If it’s not, so be it. If someone wants to unload a truck to let us trade back and pick up more, that’s great too. But if Kalil is not available @ #3, you don’t force a draft pick for an o-lineman.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow

the bomb master!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

And he threw it before the break

which I saw Merill Hoge saying on Twitter the other day Tebow wouldn’t do. hehe

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

I thought they already said he's out.

Which makes it really scary, when they announce it that fast.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, that sucks...

decker’s a stud and will have a very long and successful nfl career; have always thought that.

ironically i think he’s most similar to ed mccaffery.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Altitude affecting the Steeler's WRs.

I’m sure. That’s why their hands are like butter.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

they showed the backside only.

When I saw it live, it looked like he let it slip to the turf. But they didn’t show the front side before the break.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He does what's expected of him.

The problems come if he falls behind and has to throw when the other team wants. But that’s true with ‘any’ conservative, run-first offense.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell of a run!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

Heck!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit it...

I had the Broncos pegged for scoring less than 7.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

CRUSH!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Big

Ben Oger is sucking it up

by dsludo on Jan 8, 2012 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

WOW!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

RTP!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

Alright.. the higher powers are definitely

favoring Denver now. Good omen.

Denver is playing different. Focused. Determined.
Full of character + talent. You need both.

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

agreed

Whether Roth(etc) can make it through the injury might dictate this one!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

yep...

he shouldn’t be in at this point he’s so bad.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Maintain your composure Broncs!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

A good O-Line

can make this happen!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

That's why I cannot favor

drafting RGIII or a WR for first round.
The Vikings need the OLine re-established for the next 5-10 years around Ponder & Webb.

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Good linemen come in other rounds too.

The Vikings have more needs than just O-line. But I agree, there’s no reason to draft RG3 unless someone offers to give us draft picks for Ponder. That ain’t gonna happen.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

And I'm not saying we shouldn't take Kalil

if he’s @ #3. But we shouldn’t force-feed an o-lineman if he’s gone.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

agree...

but in that case, trade down and get martin.

by DJSkillz on Jan 8, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If we can then yes.

But you have to have a partner to trade down.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Poor Steelers. Killing themselves.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

I would normally be rooting for Denver, but I got so sick of Tebow everything.

I hope that doesn’t start again. I mean, it didn’t totally go away, but it had really died down after the 3 losses in a row.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

No, but you have to admit, it was a little bit of overkill.

Especially when his defense was probably more responsible for some of those victories, and Tebow was getting all the credit.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the press's fault

more than it is Tebow’s though.

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

So?

I can’t without hearing Big Ben, Rodgers, or any other QB as well. Goes with the position.

And it IS a legitimate story, because Denver rewrote their whole offense to play him.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not on every TV show. Even the ones that don't normally cover

sports. You had to be living in a cave or under a rock or something not to know that it was overkill, completely.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

He wasn't getting all the credit.

In fact, most of the ESPNers were trying to CYA from their previous ‘consensus’ he could never PLAY in the NFL. And the defense wasn’t ‘more’ responsible. The offense scored the points they needed, and kept the defense off the field to play aggressively.

It’s a conservative offense. But it’s not the defense scoring points.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The defense had to keep the oppositions scoring way down. And Tebow really

didn’t have to carry the team. But you wouldn’t know that from the reports.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure you would

Every report I read mentioned how they were behind in the 4th quarter. Every one mentioned the low score in the headline as well.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

nope

I just find the hatred for him amusing. It’s ok to be a rapist and over-publicized. But don’t let the Christian be in the news.

And don’t even suggest that has nothing to do with the Tebow-hate.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Come take the blinders off. You know that the word Tebow was

everywhere for about 2 months. When they lost it totally went away from the non-sports entities. You don’t see that much hype for every QB. Hell, even the best ones you don’t hear about unless they get into trouble, then it usually fades within a news cycle.

Tebow was on everything. I don’t hate the guy, I just don’t want to see him on every channel I turn to every day at any time of the day.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre wasn't on every media outlet?

Oh my…come on. Double standard much?

I’ve never seen a player over-exposed like Brett was.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he was. And notice I said "unless they get into trouble"

and I was sick of hearing about that too. But there was a reason for him being on other venues besides just the sports news.

Tebow is so overblown, and you know why, because he is controversial and it’s because of his views, not so much for his play. But that is what they all made it out to be.

So, no, not a double standard. But keep it coming.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

not true

that offense did the D no favors. they avg’d more 3 and outs with Tebow at the helm then we did for our 1st 6 games. that D played a lot of min. allowing a very bad Offense to scrape get away with scoring very few points.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

That might be Denver's ball!

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by abba7 on Jan 8, 2012 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

Gutless refs.

They should have the continuous action rule.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

How do refs standing on the goal line

miss where the ball crosses the line when there’s no one between him and the ball?

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

Pathetic.

So…not only did they blow the lateral pass.

They blew this spot. They wouldn’t be wanting Pitt to win or anything, would they?

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

Still a lot of time left.

Denver needs to keep the pressure up.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 6:01 PM CST reply actions  

im just so glad to have a game worth watching...

The other 3 were done in the 3rd….
I expected this to be a roll over by Pitt…im surprised.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not surprised this is close.

Pitt hasn’t been scoring points, Ben was hurting, and Denver doesn’t put up big scores.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That's TWO times

he’s been facemasked this game.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

i guess they just stopped calling them

Cause ive seen atleast a dozen since our Lions game NOT be called.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Back from being out

Shame that it appears I’ve mostly missed a hell of a game.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

And hey, it's time for the new overtime rules!

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

Don't remind me

Goddamn Saints game and the bullshit pass intereference call on Leber that wasn’t.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright some GOOD overtime rules now.

C’mon Steelers! send that Tebow home crying!

by Crosseyes on Jan 8, 2012 7:02 PM CST reply actions  

Elway looked like Lindsey Lowhan....

Someone keep him away from the spray tan booth!

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

Tim Tebow just became

my favorite non-Viking player in the NFL.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Hell yes!

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

You know all those rules we just explained?

Yeah, never mind, you’re not going to need those.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

Wait, color me confused

Why doesn’t Pittsburgh get the ball? I thought they got an opportunity.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:09 PM CST reply actions  

If the team that gets the ball first scores a TD

The game is over.

If they settle for a FG, then the other team gets a shot with the ball.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 8, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, FG gets a change of possession

HERPDERPDERPHERP on me.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

bet

That the rule gets another look in the off season

by Lunchpail on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

It did exactly what it was supposed to.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Because the league approved team did not win

that’s why

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You're going to look me in the eye and tell me

The league didn’t want Tebow to win that? The guy’s more marketable than Peyton Manning.

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Over the Steelers?

I will look you in the eye and tell you that.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

REally?

They wanted Tebow to win? That’s why the refs totally blew that fumble call when it was 20-6, right? Or missed a blatant facemask on their last drive.

Come off it, man.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's because they scored more than 3 points.

Seems stupid to me. Should be guaranteed possession for both teams, imo.

by Purpledork on Jan 8, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Much easier to get a field goal

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Winning games on FGs to end a season sucks.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you watch the game lol?

He throws fine lol. He threw all over those CBs lol.

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I did

I also watched him whiff a large number of throws. He looked about as good as Big Ben did and he didn’t look impressive at all.

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

He looked good in HD

Maybe you should watch the game in HD lol.
I wish we had his horrible talent then :P

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Haters gonna hate

I’m sick of Tebow-time, but you’ve got to give credit where its due. Tebow did pretty good this game, against the #1 pass defense. Just knocked them in the jaw.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what you expect from the QB position then, man.

Tebow did damn good in this game. He had that shakey first quarter, but after that he was in it to win it. I didn’t see him “whiff” on a large number of passes at all. There was a big underthrow, but other than that the ball was in position for a WR to catch it and make some moves after.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow was 10/21 in the game

If Ponder or Webb had completion % like that, people would be calling for their heads.

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

... And he threw for over 300 yards

on 10 completions. If Webb or Ponder threw for 316 yards against the STeelers, people would be saying they’re a QBOTF.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides that

Did you actually see some of the balls he threw? I swear some of them tumbled vertically in the air

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I did watch the balls he threw..

He drove it in there tight most of the time. He had some misfires, but, it happens to everyone.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Argh. I know right?

That defense is good but playoff win alone good? Why do teams ALWAYS underperform against them. WHY?!

by Crosseyes on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

This

More than anything else. Their D kept a hobbled Big Ben running around.

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

He actually played a solid game of football this time. I mean, I hate all the Tebow-talk too, but.. you have to give the guy credit.

He made a handful of huge throws.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

his hair

weighs him down….

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

he sold out to the run.

And they made plays that took advantage of his tendencies.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 8, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If Randy Moss sandbagged like Polamolu just did

The hate would be flowing.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

But he'll get praised for going all out

I can already see Trent Dilfer…"This is who Polumalu is…blah blah….christian ponder’s terrible….Polamalu’s still the best safety in the league…

by 7Twins7 on Jan 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he's usually pretty good.

John Fox just got into his head. Or whoever was calling plays. They worked him over psychologically, so he started playing more hesitant.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He sells out to the run constantly though.

And this is why he makes plays. Unfortunately for the Steelers, it also gives up big plays. I’ve noticed it more than once today.

by 7Twins7 on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST reply actions  

I may not be able to watch ESPN for the next week

Oh Shit,The National Championship is on ESPN tomorrow

by Curtis2012 on Jan 8, 2012 7:15 PM CST reply actions  

thats what they said this week....

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

As beat up as the Steelers were. Anyways. the NE offense will be able to put up

numbers at home against the Denver D. Can Tebow keep up. He will have to pass.

by bf4mvp on Jan 8, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Um, like the 300+ yards he did today?

Or something else?
Why does everyone hate him so much lol

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by LeeleeX on Jan 8, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebowmania.

I was sick of hearing about how good he was too, when he was having shitty games save for the 4th quarter. Now that he did actually have a solid game all around, though, I’m willing to ease off for a week to let him get some deserved credit.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Well..

I think he showed he can pass. I mean, let’s get real here.. The Patriots are a terrible pass-defense team. They struggle to create pressure. The Steelers didn’t even get a QB knock-down or hit on Tebow. If Tim plays like he did today, he’s going to carve up New England.

Who’s lost, at home, twice in a row.. against lesser competition.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I heard on NPR that the odds in Vegas were 120 to 1 against Denver

I bet there’s some happy Bronco betters tonight!

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 8, 2012 7:16 PM CST reply actions  

I bet Jesus put a Franklin

on Denver. I kid, I kid.

//looksupforlightningbolt

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

This has been the worst football season ever in my lifetime for me.

The only bright spot were my ISU Cyclones beating the odds and making a bowl with the massive upset of OSU. Then prompty sucking in that bowl. Then that one upset caused another SEC wank-fest in the NCG. Vikes sucked, Pack are the Super Bowl favorite and Tebow continues to have success.

HATE football this year.

by Crosseyes on Jan 8, 2012 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

No-- the only bright spot was...

The Kansas City Chiefs defeated the Green Bay Packers.

by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, this football season can die in a fire

for all I care. I’m with you, man.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 8, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

well said ted

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I picked Denver to win this...

Of course I also picked Atlanta— stupid Atlanta, for 3 of 4.

by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Haha yeah..

That Julio Jones thing blew up in their face in epic fashion. Didn’t even get points for themselves on the board.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Re: Tebow

He’s such an awful passer that he had over 300 yards today. This is the first time I didn’t see the QB that threw the game-winning TD get interviewed after the game. I suppose they were terrified that he might thank God for his success. Perish the thought in P.C. Amerika (Yes, I purposely spelled it that way. This country is trying to put in the same kind of government that they sent me to fight against in Vietnam.) Also – Pittsburgh didn’t deserve to win. The only reason they were in the game at the end was THREE blown (?) calls by the zebras.

by kagey on Jan 8, 2012 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

If they did, there's a large double standard with Tebow

Jared Allen couldn’t go more than 4 words when he was being interviewed about breaking the franchise sack record without mentioning God or Jesus. Really, I think there’s quite a few players who would mention God in interviews. Tebow may catch flack for how devout he is, but realistically, he’s a part of the majority, or at least a very large minority.

by Amrius on Jan 8, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow not being interviewed after the game...

Don’t worry. Skip Bayless will talk it to death on Monday.

by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

you know him picked them to lose

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Who didn't?

Only the most die-hard of Tebow fanatics or people just trying to play devil’s advocate picked the Broncos to win against Pittsburgh.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Good upset

Pitt’s center Pouncey was out, R- burger was hobbled, and Denver has a good defense. That with Denver’s mile high altitude made it a good upset.

by vking1 on Jan 8, 2012 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It certainly was

I was afraid that blown fumble-call was going to decide the winner, but the team that played better actually won today. So.. good job, Denver.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. That's incredibly embarrassing for you.

I could never, ever, in good conscience root for the asstacular Patriots. Nope. No way.

This was a GREAT win and I’m happy for Tebow and the Broncos. Awesome sauce!

by Wytefang on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgive me

For not liking a guy because he’s marketable despite being terrible at the position he plays.

by Amrius on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 AM CST up reply actions  

What's wrong with the Patriots?

They haven’t won the trophy since… ’04? Its been a while. Plus their exciting to watch with that offense. And now McDaniels is back. Ohhh boy.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

ha tebow wins again

haters can suck it

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Jan 8, 2012 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Good game for him

I’m just glad the Broncos came out on top. I would’ve hated for the Steelers to win another playoff game because of questionable refereeing.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 8, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I hope the Giants put Rodger’s squarely on his ass 5 or 6 times.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting begining and end...

Opening kickoff rests exactly on the 20 yard line, after bouncing off the goal post.
Final play lasts only 11 seconds with Tebow completing exactly 316 yards passing as a testament to John 3:16

The higher powers were definitely involved in this game.. There is no explaining it. It even disrupted Pittsburgh’s final drive to be out of field goal range.

Go figure.

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Jan 8, 2012 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

if

if you are Pitt, dont you at least try a 67 yard fg…in that thin air maybe he squeeks one through. if not OT…maybe Den special teams are strong..I dont know.

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jan 8, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

anyway

anyway, I not a fan of either team, but it was a good, dramatic football game.

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Jan 8, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a looong way to kick

Even Janikowski, who has perhaps the strongest leg in the league, has made a 63 (Raiders may argue 64) yarder at the most.

Plus, there’s always the possibility that it gets returned for a TD and the game is over. It was safer just to punt. Right call, there.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

That missed FG gets returned, you know.

And Suisam doesn’t have a 60 yard leg on the moon. Altitude doesn’t put 15yards on a guy’s leg.

No way I kick a FG there.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

you know

the last time the Giants went to the Spooge field to play the circle jerk team, they won the Superbowl. I’m not sayin’ … I’m just sayin’.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 PM CST reply actions  

Their D-line is certainly as impressive now

as it was then. If not more-so. And Manning has better weapons in the passing game. They probably are the best team to slow down the Packers in the post-season though. Nobody else can get to Rodgers as well as they could.

Although, I suppose somebody could argue the Saints might be good enough too, with their well-documented questionable hits.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

dunno....

the ‘aints almost won opening day, and their offense wasn’t clicking like it is now…..

I think the niners might give the pack fits, too…

by michiganpat on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Tebow is doing very well

I wanted the Vikings to move up and get him too. I had it in one of my mocks.

His first year they had Kyle Orton taking the first team snaps whilst Tebow was learning the offense. They finally had enough of Orton and put in Tebow.

Then this year they get a whole new staff and offense and he did not have OTA and mini camps, etc. He is a winner. He may never be a great passer. He manages to play well when it counts though.

I think they get worked next week because their defense cannot stop New England. Tebow will not look very good. But he will have had a decent second year (more like his first since he did not start last year). He is on his way.

It would be hard to be Elway. You got Tebow who somehow manages to win and his teammates love him. He inspires his teammates. Not because of his religious beliefs although I am sure there are other players on Denver who are just as devout as Tebow. I think it is his toughness that inspires them.

It is too early to give up on him if you are Denver. So far he is 8-4 this year. Not bad. He had some nice throws yesterday. Very nice. Some awful ones too. Very awful.

He will probably never be a top rated passer in the league. Just as long as the team gets the win. That is all that matters.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 9, 2012 8:23 AM CST reply actions  

They won’t try to keep up with the Patriots. They’ll keep them off the field as best they can. I’m expecting a bunch of run-run-pass sequences. Its not like the secondary is incredibly stout against the pass, Tebow should be able to consistently convert on 3rd and longs if he throws like he did this last game.

Although, if I’m Denver, I’m looking at that Pats vs Jets game last year to see how they befuddled Brady for so long.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Jan 9, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Dawkins is supposedly...

one of the most devout guys in the league.

by DJSkillz on Jan 9, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Only posting this to make this thread 667 comments. Why tempt fate?

Somebody’s perceived geological representation of all NFL teams.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

geographical - derp

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Jan 9, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

more seahawks, vikings, and packers fans in MT then broncos fans. at least that i’ve seen.

by RedHat16 on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 AM CST up reply actions  

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