So, What Happened To The Squares Game?
By now, many of you have probably heard that the kibosh was put on our Super Bowl Squares pool to benefit Jared Allen's Homes 4 Wounded Warriors. I spent part of my evening yesterday going through my PayPal and hitting the "refund" button for every transaction that had come in regarding the pool, and by now the refunds should, at the very least, be getting processed by the PayPal folks. I'm not sure what the time frame on that sort of thing is, but hopefully everyone will have their money back sooner rather than later.
As far as what happened, I'll divulge more of that at a later time. I'll give you a heads-up. . .that post likely won't be anywhere near as subdued as this one is.
Take the Leap of Faith (™ Kyle) with me, and I will explain what happened.
I was inspired to do this by the folks over at Mile High Report, SB Nation's Denver Broncos site. I thought it would be a way to get people excited about the Super Bowl after a particularly crappy football season for all of us die-hards. I ran the idea past the folks in the SB Nation legal department, and while they told me that there would be some risk involved, they said that they believed everything with the pool was above board. So, with that in mind, I went ahead and put the idea onto the pages of The Daily Norseman here, and you folks came through with flying colors, ultimately filling all 100 squares on the board.
And then came the e-mail that, basically, said that the pool appeared to be illegal and that corrective action needed to be taken. Now, since the Super Bowl has not actually happened yet, no laws have been broken at this point. However, my options were limited. Basically, I could do one of two things. . .
a) Tell everyone that, now, 100% of the money was now going to charity and we were basically just playing for bragging rights, or
b) Kick all the folks with Minnesota residency out of the pool and open up their squares.
I didn't think "a" would be a terribly popular choice, because while the money from this was going to charity, I'm sure that the potential to win money on top of it was a fairly attractive thing for a good number of the folks that put their money into the pool. I mean, if I wanted to just do a straight-up, "PBS-style" fundraiser for Homes 4 Wounded Warriors. . .and that's a possibility for the future, hopefully. . .then that's what I'd do, and that's what it would be promoted as. To do otherwise would make me feel as though I was pulling the ol' bait-and-switch on you folks, and that's not the sort of thing we do here.
As far as "b". . .well, I didn't much care for that idea, either. At last check, this was a Minnesota Vikings website and, by nature, the overwhelming majority of our readers and fans are going to be located. . .get this. . .in Minnesota. (I know, right?) As far as I'm concerned, either everybody's eligible to win, or we don't do it at all. On top of that, had I kicked all the Minnesota residents out of the pool, I would have basically been stuck crossing my fingers and hoping that the pool would fill up again. If it hadn't, then I would have ended up refunding money to a lot of people anyway.
Hence, I decided to go with option "c". . .that being "give everybody their money back and, basically, pretend that this never happened." When it comes down to it, the fault lies with me. . .my level of disappointment that things wound up going this way is substantial, but ultimately there aren't a lot of other ways to put it.
I know that some of you have expressed your desire to have me simply give the money to Homes 4 Wounded Warriors anyway. While I appreciate the sentiment, unfortunately most of it came after I had already gone through and issued all of the refunds. However, you can certainly feel free to donate the money to Homes 4 Wounded Warriors, and if you want to leave a note that says you were directed there by DN or something similar, then have at it. As I mentioned earlier, there might be something that we can do in conjunction with H4WW in the future as more of a straight-up fundraiser, and I'm going to effort to reach out to the charity to see if we can make that happen.
Aside from that, ladies and gentlemen, about the best I can do is to say, "Hey, we tried." After all, we're Vikings fans. . .we get excited about stuff only to get our hearts ripped out on a fairly regular basis. Hell, it's pretty much what this site and this community are built around, isn't it?
Once again, my sincerest apologies go out to everyone that sent in money for this endeavor. You should have your refunds in the very near future. Thank you for efforting to support a great cause.
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You apparently missed the part
Where I said I put it to SB Nation’s legal people first.
Or you’re really just trying to piss me off further on this particular subject. This is not an advisable course of action.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
I think R4K is just trying to say
that whatever law/rule that doesn’t allow this to happen is a stupid law/rule because this was meant to be #1: For a great cause; #2: FUn and #3: For a great cause. It was a good try on your part and I think I speak for many here that appreciate you trying to get things like this setup.
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Then I apologize
Been up since about 3 AM local time. . .sarcasm meter must not have been properly calibrated.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
understandable
All that work towards a great cause down the tubes…
Just one more way this great state effs over something vikings or semi vikings
by Lunchpail on Feb 1, 2012 9:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wondered about that
But not for very long, nor nearly long enough to say anything.
While this is tragic,
it just shows how great and passionate this community is. If you don’t mind me asking Chris, why was this considered illegal?
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 1, 2012 8:18 AM CST reply actions
I'd guess
It could be considered a form of lottery, which only the state can do.
I wonder
If we gave away a prize instead if it would then be considered a raffle. The state doesn’t need to be involved with those. At my college they had a raffle for JA’s charity and they were giving a signed JA jersey as a prize, maybe if we contacted him he might donate a signed jersey to the cause. Just trying to be creative, maybe there is another way around this problem for a future event.
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and/or
Just start the game again.. at say $5 or $10 with 100% going to JA’s charity. And if JA or someone else wanted to donate something to the winner after the SuperBowl big game* that would be an option (But not a guarantee) Hopefully that would satisfy the leagle requirements.
I would kick in $10 with no expectation of a prize… but i like bragging rights ;-)
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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
*
Note: I don’t want to violate copy-write laws ;-)
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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
That could be one way around it
I would venture to guess that Chris might be a little “over” trying to work around this. He’s already been told once that this is ok and had that answered change. I doubt he wants to try it another way only to have it potentially get taken away again. Also, it’s getting a little close on time.
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One issue with that idea would be
the timing. I don’t think, with less than a week away, we could wrangle up prizes from Jared Allen just like that >snaps fingers<. And yes, it ran afoul of Minnesota online gambling laws. No way around it. Gaming mafia got to us. Chris struggled to the end, but sometimes, you just run into a wall.
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yeah... it was just a thought
but I agree… prob. too late at this point.
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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 1, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I agree it's too late
“maybe there is another way around this problem for a future event”
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We should talk to Citrus about a jersey.
A Ponder or a classic Alan Page or something. All donations go to charity and winner gets the “donated” jersey.
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Wow
Sorry to hear that. Did they do the same to the Mile High folks? Sadly, sounds like some lawyer type got all worried about it. Wished it was like the good ole days where no one really worried about things like this as long as you werent trying to rob people, ya know? Maybe plan on something on the side to where you had no dealings directly with SB Nation? Though that could be a logistical nightmare worse then figuring out what is all needed to get TCF ready to appease the NFL.
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It's not an SBNation thing
it’s a Minnesota thing. So to do it on the side would be to run afoul of exactly the same laws, except without the safety net of SBNation’s legal branch. No go.
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At least it was a good try for a good cause.
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Rec'd.
Good try- good cause. Indeed. No shame in trying to do something good and being denied.
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Bummer.
I’ll be waiting for the next great charity idea for H4WW. I’m sure the next idea will be even better! :)
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Yep.
No way Chris could have really seen this coming- online gambling laws, by state, are pretty tricky, and to read the actual legislation at times is an effort in the futile, unless you’re a lawyer. Frankly, seeing that the prize money was pretty darn low, and half was in fact going to a charity for a great cause, you’d think we’d get a waiver. But such is not life, sadly.
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why do people always have to be dill-holes
I bet it was that anti stadium jerk that got banned last week.
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i was thinking
Zellers strikes back over the occupy his phone movement a few months back
by Lunchpail on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know
I know it’s not exactly consolation, and I’m sure you’re probably just going to roll your eyes at this (I would), but in all honesty, it’s better to have tried to do a noble thing and failed than never have tried at all. Heart was in the right place, insert cliche #2 here, insert cliche #3 here, and all that… but yeah, I mean, you put considerable effort into raising money for guys who have sacrificed limbs- and therefore too, an extent of their own personal freedom- to guarantee the rest of our freedom. I know the metaphorical ‘pat on the back, good luck next time’ isn’t much, but succesful or not, I think every DN reader/ poster/ contributor here should be very proud in you for at least having the thought, putting in the effort. I know I am. We’ll get er done next time, sir.
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by KJSegall on Feb 1, 2012 12:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
well said sir...
…well said
didn’t sound canned at all. ;)
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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 1, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Remember the little discussion about soccer
we had a couple of open threads ago? – Right now from CNN
At least 68 people were killed when riots broke out at a soccer game in Egypt, the country’s deputy health minister said.
Hundreds were injured in the riots, the deputy minister said.
The fighting occurred in a stadium in the northeastern city of Port Said at a match between Al-Ahly and the home team, Al-Masry.
That’s just CRAZY!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Watch out for paypal
Your probably lucky to catch this before the game. Paypal does a lot of shady things and locks accounts for little to no reason. I’m sure using it to transfer illegal gambling funds is grounds for locking an account. I
FYI – If they lock your account, they can hold your money for 6 months. I had $5,000 locked up for 6 months about 2 years ago for a 100% legit business. Haven’t used them since.
Check out paypalsucks.org
Id think twice about using them for ANY internet transaction.
well, whenever the PayPal refund comes through...
…all of it is going straight to H4WW. thanks for posting the donation link, Chris, and your hard work setting all this up is greatly appreciated — i hope we can collectively donate at least the $1,000 the charity was originally going to receive from this.
(i’ll be keeping an eye out for that “non-subdued” post, btw…)
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