Ahhhh, Let The Off-Season Double Talk Begin...Vikes In 'Committed Relationship' With Ponder, But Will 'Look Around'
So, are the Vikings going to Temptation Island? No, but it's been awhile since we've had a Spielman Doublespeak article.
2011 was a big buzzkill, we all know that. But at this time last year, there was a buzzkill going around the entire NFL--the lockout that threatened to spike the 2011 season, and instead of looking at potential free agents and draft picks, we were forced to deal with things like collective bargaining, lawsuits, and Lester Munson all the time.
So it's nice to read an article full of NFL GM Doublespeak. And since it's been almost two years since we've had to deal with an off season Rick Spielman interview, I thought maybe we'd need a refresher course in Spielman 101.
So with that in mind, let's try and parse what Spielman said to Holy Trinity member Mark Craig in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
After the jump.
The first sentence in Craig's story sets up like an opening line to a Penthouse Forum story...uh, so I've been told, Mom:
A committed relationship with Christian Ponder won't keep the Vikings from checking out the top quarterbacks in this year's NFL draft.
Now, we'll look at what Spielman actually said, and then I'll translate what Spielman actually means.**
"I know we're very confident in Christian, but if one of those quarterbacks is too good to pass up, you also have to weight that in, too," Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said. "But we're very, very confident in what Christian Ponder brings. As we go through this process and our coaches come into this process and we put this thing together in April, I don't know where we'll be."
What he actually means** is: "Look, we're hitching our wagon to Ponder, everyone knows that. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB, SILLY SPORTS WRITERS AND BLOGGERS WHO COMMENT ON SPORTS WRITER STORIES. Drafting a QB in the first round two years in a row is the quickest route to the unemployment line for me--you know it, I know it, everyone in the NFL SHOULD know it. But maybe there's an idiot out there, probably in Washington's front office, that DOESN'T know that. They'll read this and think we might draft Robert Griffin III, and they'll need to ridiculously overpay us to make a trade for him. We hold out hope to one day make up for the Herschel Walker trade, and quotes like this might help do that."
We now return you to Penthouse Forum/craiglist/Roger Ebert movie review:
"We'll be doing full monty on [Luck] and RG3," Spielman said. "You never know what happens on draft day, and I would rather be overprepared than underprepared."
"Weird things happen on draft day. Top 5 picks could slip out of the top 10 or top 20. Dan Snyder might actually make a smart pick. Roger Goodell could come on stage and club a baby seal. All of that will happen before we pick Andrew Luck or RG III."
From there, the interview moved to a topic that was made to be double talked, and Spielman hit a Craig softball out of the park. I mean, Harmon Killebrew in his prime couldn't have hit it farther. The player: Chris Cook, erstwhile cornerback and puncher to the face of women (allegedly):
"I just say you can never have enough good corners," Spielman said. "So you're always trying to get good corners regardless, especially in the division we play."
"Put your morals aside and get ready, because we're going to bring him back if he avoids prison. You may not like it, I don't like it, but our secondary blows ass. We need him. He's going to play if he can."
From there, Spielman actually gets fairly candid, but doesn't come clean 100%. On Adrian Peterson's rehab:
"We've been very pleased with how he's been rehabbing," Spielman said. "The way he's been working and where he's at in his rehab, he'll be extremely close to being ready" for the start of the regular season.
"Adrian Peterson is a cyborg, and cyborgs are not human. Cyborgs search, destroy, and kill. And he will do that come week 1. We need more cyborgs."
Next up, on the possibility of re-signing WR Randy Moss, who wants to return to the NFL in 2012:
"We'll be moving on," Spielman said when asked about Moss. "Randy was a great player. But again our focus is more on trying to get a young team."
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nope. next."
So here we conclude with your Spielman 101 Refresher. Remember, it's the NFL 'silly season'. Nobody says what they mean, and nobody means what they say. Except Mike Tice. Dude wore his emotions on a sleeve.
**Not really what Rick Spielman means, probably. Maybe. I mean, if I COULD read his mind, I could read ALL minds, and I'd have all kinds of filthy luchre.
Enjoy your weekend, boys and girls.
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Translation sounds right to me
And given the Washington franchise’s recent history, you can’t rule out the possibility that they will be fooled.
yea
but it is not about us making it look like we will draft RGIII, its about convincing other teams that Cleveland wants him so they need to move ahead of them to do it.
I don't think it would take much convincing to make people think Cleveland would draft him
Rg3 is a rare breed I would think almost every team would like a shot at developing that guy depending on their QB situation of course.
by reebs on Feb 17, 2012 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A rare breed?
There is usually at least one QB in each draft that is similar to RGIII, maybe not with the inflated completion percentage that he has, but he is not rare.
Have you seen anything that resembles a pass defense on teams that Baylor played against? I know I haven’t.
Time to que up the appropriate tunes!

Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 17, 2012 11:53 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Oh my God
Ron Jeremy auto rec engage
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
That actually is a great eight track
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
I'm not sure if I should
believe you, no questions asked…or dismiss your claim as preposterous.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
It's me,
that should tell you something.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
8-track?
last time I saqw one of those was about 198- when the neighbor finally got rid of them. Well, unless you count Beavis & Butthead when they detroy the Hippy Teachers collection.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 17, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
He should just call Mike Holmgren and say "hey whats up"
that way he can casually slip that he has spoken on the phone with Holmgren and let other teams take it form there
As to AP rehab
I just read a story on PFT saying Peterson plans to start running Feb 28th.
by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 AM CST reply actions
I'm pretty sure
The Avengers movie should just star Hulk, Thor, Ironman, and AP.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
too messy,
I mean, AP would have to protect Hulk, Thor and Ironman.
wow
AP and Hulk on the same team? You just blew my mind.
Don't you know who the *^$% I am?
by Jeppernaut on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would suggest Wonder Woman on the team.
But Mel Allen would flag it.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
by abba7 on Feb 17, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
These translations sound about right, especially the AP one
I really hope RG3 is still there at 3. If so the first thing I would tell other teams trying to move up is that they don’t have a lot of desire to move back. Then ask the other team if they are interested in ponder and how much they would give regardless of the fact they have confidence in him. If they can even get a second for him I would seriously consider it then take rg3 ourselves. But if not I could see a team paying much more for that pick due to Cleveland needing a QB. Either way I see this as a win for us.
by reebs on Feb 17, 2012 12:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Would also like to say I like ponder and hope he turns out
But I would not be upset if they did take rg3, as long as they can get decent value for ponder which may be wishful thinking though to me he played decently for a rookie considering his “support” last year.
by reebs on Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hahahahahahahaha!
im still laughing. that made my freakin day.
by Randytheviking17 on Feb 17, 2012 12:51 PM CST via Android app reply actions
The question we should REALLY be asking...
Is what if we look back at this draft and think about the 2005 draft where we seemingly had NO reason to draft a QB and should have? Do we have that kind of foresight?
White Horn Gold Pants
I'm reading some things different
So I don’t wanna rain on the parade too much.
But things like “As we go through this process and our coaches come into this process and we put this thing together in April, I don’t know where we’ll be” is the kind of statement that just drives me batty.
I never like hearing uncertainty from a leader.
Now you can club me like a baby seal ;)
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions
More straight talk from the Vikings brass!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Wait...
So you are saying that you want a definitive answer as to what we are going to do in the draft BEFORE we even get to free agency?
IT is not uncertainty, it is realism. A lot can happen between now and free agency, and a lot WILL happen during free agency. I like the fact that Spielman is focusing on scouting potential picks now, rather than trying to decide who they are going to pick prior to having all the information they need.
Free agency comes in 24 days
He was talking about April.
It simply doesn’t inspire any confidence when he says that he won’t know where he will be.
Doesn’t he have SOME idea?
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 17, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he has an idea...
You are knocking him for doing standard coach-speak. You don’t see coaches discussing specific plans or schemes prior to a game, do you? No… They use over-generalizations and tell you things that are public knowledge as to not give away even and inch of leverage or advantage they may have.
Everything they say is carefully vetted and groomed as to give only the information they want to give.
So do you really want him to just come right out and say that we are drafting Kalil and will entertain no other ideas? No.
He is doing exactly what he should do. Let everyone know that the decision is not made, and if any team wants to approach us with an offer, we are happy to take a look.
This is completely incorrect
“Drafting a QB in the first round two years in a row is the quickest route to the unemployment line for me—you know it, I know it, everyone in the NFL SHOULD know it.”
So what you’re saying is…if you draft a QB one year, and he sucks, but then you draft one the next year and he’s good, that that will cost you your job? I’m pretty sure drafting a good QB is a good thing, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s better to draft a lousy QB and then stick with him through fear of admitting a mistake.
“My God we can’t draft a QB two years in a row.” Why the hell not? If the first one’s not any good, why stick with him? I know, I know, this website is a Christian Ponder love fest, and I’m not saying he’s complete bust. But I severly disagree with the idea that he’s earned the benefit of the doubt simply because he was drafted 12th overall.
I realize Minnesota is not going to draft another QB, because they think just like you do, that you can’t take one two years in a row. But I disagree vehemently with that idea. If you truly believe that Ponder’s the real deal…well, okay. But if you think he was maybe overdrafted a year ago, and you can get a better one this year, then you’re doing your franchise a disservice to not get the better one.
by frank_grimes on Feb 17, 2012 1:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1,000,000
Couldn’t agree more. There are a few of us that think this way. And if the Vikings could get fair market value for Ponder I would think more people would be jumping on the RGIII bandwagon.
by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
RGIII is great. So is Luck. But Ponder could be.
All we need is some great coaching, an awesome playbook with well-designed plays, front line, another receiver or two, and fantastic execution to get them there to get them there…
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 17, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
"But Ponder could be"...Yea, so could Colt McCoy, Jimmy Claussen and Brady Quinn.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 17, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, they could.
But Luck and RGIII could also be the next Ryan Leaf and Alkili Smith.
So what is your point?
by Bjorno on Feb 17, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you should compare Ponder to Ryan Leaf...
Leaf had a strong arm. arr, arr, arr.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hardy-har-har...
The point is, drafting a QB is always hit or miss… There are no guarantees.
You can never tell how money and fame is going to affect a player until they are swimming in a pool of money and women.
I think you have to look at can he be a good QB
But what is his ceiling. Is RGIII’s ceiling higher? Probably, is it high enough over Ponders to go QB two years in a row? I’m not sure I haven’t really seen the kid play.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
It's completely correct
You either screwed up in drafting your first QB…which the Vikings didn’t…or you added a player at a position you don’t need at the very top of the draft.
Either way, you’ve got too much money at one position, ignoring glaring needs at other spots early in the draft like offensive line or secondary, where you could’ve gotten an impact player that could provide immediate help.
It’s an abject failure in personnel management, scouting, and draft strategy.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
actually Ted the money is not an issue at all
Ponder signed a 4 year 10.15 mil deal. Webb signed a 4 year 2,71 mil deal.
The #3 pick last year was Marcel Dareus who signed a 4 year fully guaranteed 20.407 mil deal.
All three of those annual salaries add up to about 1 mil more or less than what McNabb was set to receive last year of he would have reached his benchmarks.
The money is not an issue for the Vikings if they drafted RG3. The Rams are the ones who would be paying a lot since they had to guarantee Bradford 50 mil.
It is a bit of an issue
No doubt Wilf is eyeballing that list that says the Vikings have the highest payroll in the NFL…
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 17, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yay to restructuring the rookie salary
Just when the Vikes were taking a nose dive!
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Frank, I'm certainly glad you brought this up, it hasn't been discussed here all week....yet ;).
But it’s not too late !!! Well, when Christian Flounder starts running away from imaginary pass rushers again, it should make for some interesting conversation….again. But the good news is that we have ME, Superfly Joe Webb to come in and stand in the face of pressure when C’F’7 goes down with another chronic boo-boo on his bum-bum. Too bad the coaches won’t even let me take any snaps at qb in practice, all the more reason we should just bring back SuperFreak84, then I can show you all what a deep pass looks like. “Hey Randy, go deep….no deeper…(que missle launch video)…Touchdown!!!”
As for Spielman, well, I Joe Webb, do solemnly swear, that Rick Spielman is a dumbass who doesn’t have any idea what he is up to. So don’t try too hard to read into his wacky waffling statements.
Hey Spielman, a fifth of all U.S. Americans can’t find the united states on a map, why is that?
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 17, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I know this is an old reference, but I really think she might be Rick Spielman's offspring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdhMSEqhfg
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 17, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Only 7 more months to go until the start of the season ;)
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 17, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
as a Lions fan i PRAY to GOD you don't draft RG3
i mean so… yea pretty much please don’t draft him please.
We're going to now.
just to be difficult! :p
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
"full Monty"???
I’m pretty sure thats British for buck naked. I didn’t think spielman could get much more frightening. I was wrong.
by LetsGoTwoSmokes on Feb 17, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My interpretation of the Ponder Quote
I know we’re very confident in Christian, but if one of those quarterbacks is too good to pass up, you also have to weight that in, too," Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said. "But we’re very, very confident in what Christian Ponder brings. As we go through this process and our coaches come into this process and we put this thing together in April, I don’t know where we’ll be.
Our QB is Christian Ponder. The only way we’re going to draft a QB is if Andrew Luck falls in our lap. But he isn’t going to, so, we’re very happy about Ponder being our QB. I mean, who knows what happens in the draft, maybe the Colts are dumb enough to keep Peyton Manning and trade down to let some other team draft Luck, or maybe they draft Matt Kalil, or maybe they actually decide that RGIII is their guy, and then the Rams actually pass on Luck too, because who the hell knows what is going to happen between now and draft day . I mean, COME ON, the combine hasn’t even happened yet, so stop asking me about our QB position and what we’re going to do on draft day. I’m not going to tell you anyway, because we still have a long, 2-month process ahead of us. Besides, we might have some trade partners, so we don’t want to tip our hand at all…if anything, it makes more sense for me to imply that we want to draft a QB just so other teams might be more willing to trade with us, get it? I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, NOBODY DOES! SO STOP ASKING ME ABOUT THE QB POSITION."
Sorry, that last bit is really how I feel about it.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
This was a great read
Thanks for putting it together, my favorite was the Randy Moss one. I think that is the most accurate out of them all. Although I read in the Pioneer Press a quote from the guy who owns the catering service that Randy knows so well… Anyways he said that Randy never ate any food last time so he would be happy to have him back. I thought about that for a while and decided that adding Randy Moss would be to us what the killing of Franz Ferdinand was to the Balkan Peninsula all of Europe
"none of us is a fan of the team" - Judd Zulgad (also fabricated the "schism" reports of 09')
There is an indy rock joke in there somewhere
But I’m gonna go home from work instead of work it out.
Trade idea
Would you trade the #3 & #130 picks to the Bengals for pick #17, 53, 84, 158 and their 2012 first and third? Is that fair?
As horrid and stingy as Brown Jr.
is as a owner, I don’t think he would be that stupid. Sadly, I think Mike Lynn will forever hold that record of stupidity, may he rot in hell.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 18, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
why?
who or what would drive the bungles to jump all the way to #3?
by michiganpat on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

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