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I have been doing some rummaging through the internet dumpsters and ran across a Viking's related post. The folks over at profootballfocus sure do their homework.(tips cap) and they think Erin Henderson is pretty good. My thoughts after the jump.

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Ok, I'm going to work this from back to front. No, this isn't a stupid rap video. What I mean is that we're going to work with what we know first and clear that up, then we'll get into the gray area. Still don't know what I'm talking about? Positions...needs...Free Agency....and where Erin Henderson fits in.

Ok, so we suck in the secondary. Really....we do...(rim shot). OK, done laughing yet? So we need to draft or acquire secondary free agents. See? I should be a GM. That was easy.

Our Offensive line is, well, offensive and it makes Ponder's butt hurt. That's not a nice way to treat a rookie QB. In fact, it's down right rude. We should be nicer to Christian. New offensive line? Lana: "YUP!" Add them to the list.

I guess you could say the WRs suck too, but that's not fair to Percy. We need offensive speed especially if it takes some time before Peterson is back to his usual, explosive self. Speed has killed defenses since like forever unless your defense has SSSSSEEEECCCC speed, which is the fastest of the fastest. Maybe even faster than Fast5. Scientologists haven't found a way to quantify it yet.

So we've got Secondary, OLine, and WRs as the major concerns. Nothing new there. This is where it gets a little tricky. We won three games last year so collectively we have somes issues with depth being a large concern. The aforementioned positions don't tell the whole story.

The questionable positions would start at the DLine. We know we have some skills there. We have some young talent(Ballard). We have some veteran leadership(KWill). We have a single-season sack record holder(damn you Favre) All-world Mullet(sans mullet). What we don't have is a really big fat guy. We could use a really big fat guy. He doesn't have to come with a sandwich or anything, but he has to be fat, big, and really.

MLB isn't exactly a "set" position. EJ can play, but how long? how effective? It's a legit concern. The rumor is that trying to play middle linebacker in the national football league is difficult with a metal rod in your leg. I don't like to speculate much, but that is the rumor. Some people would put this position as more of a pressing need, but I don't see it that way. I'm not Daniel Tosh, who is not a doctor or anything, but I think we could live with his production for another year. We need to find someone to take over in 2013 though. Maybe a mid-round pick to develope unless we have a top-round talent fall to our laps. We could always look at FA next year too.

We will have to see what happens with Shiancoe. Personally, I think we can do without. It all depends on what his price is. Rudy is our best TE already, IMO and I don't see any reason why someone like Allen Reisner couldn't come in and fill that position. With the People's Champ leaving, it IS a position of need, but not something we need to spend a lot of resources on. It's not that I don't want to see Shiancoe on our team because I think he's got plenty of skill to help this team, but it's the "business" side of things. I don't think he can accept a 2nd year player(Rudy) getting more snaps than him and being more productive. I think he has an ego our Salary Cap can't cash....er...whatever the phrase is.

Kickers....Punters....who gives a shit. I mean, really. Our punter has a potty-mouth and I love it. Our kicker is solid, not great....but solid. Doubt we'd use a draft pick to address either of these positions. Again, if someone falls in our lap or we see something great in a FA or UDFA, then pull the trigger. Its my belief that these two positions should be addressed by the salaries. We can't overpay, even for a kicker. Sure, they decide a lot of games with FGs, but when Hester and Cobb are in our division, kicking the ball past the end zone is very important as well. But again, only make a change if we see something special out there or if we can get similar results while saving some cap space.

Running back....uh...we're good. When we're searching for a 3rd string RB, we're good....unless we're the Saints.

We are set at QB. There, I said it. Keep Sage because I'm sure he'll get his chance some day he's a veteran and is not going anywhere else to start. I don't know if he's the most knowledgable QB, but he's been around a while and can offer some semblance of leadership to our two young QBs. The coaches like Ponder to start going foward. You invest a #12 overall pick on a QB, he damn well better be starting. I love me some Webb too and in the offseason, since they'll have some much needed practice time, they should be able to expand his role in the offense. Time will tell on those two, but I think we can all agree the line must improve first before we can fully critique.

Let's take a look back as the reason I posted this to begin with. I probably didn't need to go through all of those positions, but I kind of wanted to get some of my philosophization(is it a word?) out there about how the Vikings should approach this Free Agency and Draft periods. The position I haven't discussed yet is OLB. Greenway is good and sewn up already. The man I started with is a FA. Erin Henderson should be kept on this team not so much for passing the eye test because I'll be honest, it only seemed like a handful of times where he really stood out. If you already looked at the link above, some people who look much further into individual player success think Erin is a gem. The Vikings are fairly weak up the middle on defense right now so we have more pressing needs. Erin fits the bill at OLB and is young enough so he can stick around for a while. I fully expect him to sign a new contract and get locked in for 4-5 years.

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Erin should certainly get resigned...

There is always the chance he is only a 1-year wonder, but we have seen what his brother can do and I think that is enough for me. He has earned a spot on this team, but I don’t want us to overspend.

I am not really worried about MLB. I think Jasper Brinkley performed pretty darn well in EJ’s absence. He could work on his coverage skills, but I could say the same for EJ.

Though I am not certain we should just let EJ walk either. He is a team leader, and I think the defense has a whole lot of respect for the guy. Even if he is not playing at the high level he usually is, he is valuable to this team.

I love the fact that in the year where our biggest needs are WR, secondary and O-line; the strongest positions in free agency and the draft seem to be WR, secondary and O-line. This bodes well for our future.

I would like to see us spend some cash in free agency on a WR and CB, as I think we are more likely to be shooting for a Tackle in the draft. But that all depends on who ends up being available in FA.

by Bjorno on Feb 18, 2012 2:19 PM CST reply actions  

Erin Henderson was projected to be drafted in the third round.

He was also considered to be the best free agent pick-up that year.

by vking1 on Feb 18, 2012 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

I see.

I checked out Wiki, but that’s as far as I went into researching that.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 20, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He actually had a 2nd rd grade

But had knee surgery and was reportedly still having problems with it at the combine and that was the beginning of his free fall and our gain.

by nmvikesfan on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow..

I knew our secondary blew, but that link kind of actually put it in writing for me.

We gave up the most TDs, nabbed the fewest ints. We’re 2nd to last in Points against, 3rd in average passing yard/attempt, 2nd in completion % against… and only in the middle of the pack for passing attempts against us per game? Seriously? We have to have the worst secondary ever. All this with a guy coming off the edge at passers and getting 22 sacks. I don’t even want to imagine how shitty this defense would be without Jared Allen.

That depressing page makes me want to say we should take Claiborne over Blackmon/Kalil

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 18, 2012 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

There is supposedly a deep CB class this year

If that is true, I say grab Kalil but we definitely need to cash in on one of the other good CBs out there. You are spot on though, defense needs to be the focus. The offense was bad but not nearly as horrific as our defense, we put up enough points to win more than 3 games that’s for damn sure.

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by Grape Drank on Feb 18, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I agree.

I don’t necessarily think it’s great, but its fairly deep(CB class). Defense has to be the focus. We could use a playmaker of some sort, but I’m actually of the minority that thinks we can make due w/out another WR. Sure, we could use a true #1 WR, but i think the OLine will help our offense more than a WR would. You kind of get a bonus when upgrading OLine because its not just the passing that’s helped, but the run-game as well.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 20, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I could argue a good #1 WR who can create seperation

would be just as valuable to the offense, both in giving the QB a bail-out option when the line collapses (which will happen to even the best O-lines) and to help take focus off of the running game.

Not to mention, late in games when you’re down a score, you want to be able to move down the field quickly. An O-lineman will help block defenders gunning for the QB, but its the WR who’s much more important in that situation, both to get open and to make the catch.

They each have their merits.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a good/valid question.

A true #1 WR certainly can keep guys off the line of scrimmage and has its benefits, but we can’t even block 4 linemen. Our OL is so pathetically bad. Sure, not every OL is going to hold up, but we’ve got to give our QB more time. The #1 reason even the best QBs in football struggle at time = pressuring the QB. We saw Stafford struggle when JA was breathing down his neck all game long and he has Megatron to throw to. So while it helps, I don’t think it helps as consistently as a solid OL does. Besides, our QB is simply too damn young to not have protecting him our #1 priority.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

At the same time, though

That Lions O-line isn’t exactly amazing, and with Megatron, Stafford put up 5k passing yards this season. Granted they sort of had to, because they had no running game, but it was enough to get them into the playoffs at the least, with a line that isn’t much better than our’s. I really can’t think of a player on Detroit’s O-line that I’d take over our’s.

Yeah, they got bounced out after one game, but having a #1 target really makes a difference to an offense. O-line play can be masked alot easier, with quicker throws (screens, etc.) that terrible reciever play can.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It can only be masked so much though

At some point, you’ll see plenty of CB/LBs coming up and bumping coverage because they know we CAN’T throw deep. It’s right there on everyone’s scouting report of the Vikings. We can’t throw deep consistently enough to cause any defense to be threatened by it. That’s why it makes our WRs look terrible because they don’t get seperation, but its because CBs/S are anticipating short/intermediate passing game. The DE/DT are anticipating RUN all the time with AP in the game, but they don’t have to recognize its a pass to blow up our Line. That’s bad. In the NFL, its better to be faster/quicker, but the longer you have to allow the WRs to run round(QB protection), the more effective we can be offensively. It’s simple, the WR knows what route they are running as does the QB, but the CB/S don’t. That’s why announcers will say you can’t defend the perfect pass. The “timing” routes that are so effective and damn near impossible to defend never happen without line protection. Calvin Johnson is a rare talent and no one in FA/Draft this year is even close.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 22, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Our quarterbacks don't have time to throw deep.

The Vikings could have an elite QB and elite receivers, and it wouldn’t matter right now. Our offensive line is that bad. When Brett Favre was here, he was either getting hit or throwing up interceptions. He didn’t have time to do anything. The Vikings really should have addressed that last year. A couple of projects in the sixth round just doesn’t cut it.

by vking1 on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

um profootballfocus.

Havn’t we made fun of that site before? Didn’t they say like most of the Vikes made the ALL NFC North team? Not sure if we can hands down trust what they are selling. As for franchising him like Gate’s post talks about, I am positive I don’t think he’s worth 8 million.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

I'll cosign that thought process

But he’s someone that shouldn’t be that hard to re-sign either. If he thinks he can get $8M with another team, then maybe a deal can’t be struck, but just because he’s ranked(regardless of who’s ranking) the top-OLB FA, doesn’t mean we should get hose resigning him. I would label him a high-priority resign though. He certainly needs to show more than one year that he can get the job done consistently before giving him a huge bump in pay, but a raise is in order and a starting position should easily be given.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would never pay Erin H 8 mil

If he can get that elsewhere then so be it.

The funny thing to me is that the team has a hell of a way showing players that they really want them to stay with the team. I mean the clock is about to strike midnight and Erin H is going to turn into a pumpkin. Why wait so long if you really want the guy?

They signed Sullivan earlier to remove all doubt.

I could be wrong and have been many times before but I just find it odd that they would wait until the last minute to offer the dude a new deal. Like Rice said last year, the team was not showing him the “love”. Why not show Erin H some love before now?

Maybe they let him test the market and then make him an offer? Maybe they have someone else in mind? Maybe this LB from Canada is the real deal?

by MarkSP18 on Feb 20, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I would hope they wait to at least get Elimina-whatever

into Camp before they let Erin walk because of the new guys ‘potential.’ I mean, they tried it last year with Arcenaux, and.. I don’t think I remember a single catch he made all season long.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to think they are letting him test the water

I’m sure they don’t want to over pay him, and contracts without outside influence might get signed a bit higher than the Vikings think is reasonable. So Erin goes out finds that he’s worth 2 million a year and the Vikes match it. Erin is happy because he knows he got a competitive price and Minnesota is happy because they know they aren’t over paying.

This makes fundamental sense to me especially with players they don’t see as lynch pins for the team.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 21, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Until he gets some offer from a desperate team

say, 5mil, and the Vikes don’t consider matching.. Or, hey, maybe he decides he’d rather play for a team on the rise than the Vikes, who are currently stuck in neutral, despite the same offer. It wouldn’t be the first time its happened to us with a decent player.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 21, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

that's fine he gets the offer he was worth it to the team that picked him up

People that the Vikes NEED they will make that ridiculous offer to, the ones they don’t NEED they won’t make the offer to it’s pretty simple. So letting them figure out their own worth and not making them feel like we’re low balling them is to me a solid way to do business.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Thing is we don't know if they've approached Erin yet or not.

Maybe they offered him a deal already and he said that he’s interested but would like to see what the market offers him before signing. Just because nothing has been reported yet doesn’t mean no talks have occurred. In Rice’s case they did make an offer to him and continued to negotiate with him until Seattle offered him bank. Yes, this approach may let players like Rice get away but it’s also smart to gauge their value leaguewide before overpaying. In Rice’s case it looks like the front-office made the right decision as I don’t think many of us would be happy with Rice’s contract on the books right now.

by CanadianViking on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This is true to an extent

We do not know if they offered Erin H a deal but I think not. We do know somehow that they offered Abdullah a new deal. These things get leaked by the agent or someone for sure.

With Rice, they messed it up in my mind. Yeah he got banged up again but we do not know if that would have occurred here so we cannot assume it would have. You cannot change one thing in the past and then expect everything to play out like it did in Seattle. I do not subscribe to that theory at all. Having said that he could have gotten banged up here too.

I still would want him on the team for the exact money Seattle gave up especially when you consider how much money they wasted on McNabb. I would have gambled on Rice.

If I was unsure then I would have traded him for something better than a compensatory pick. But that is just me.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

$5 million for Mcnabb was a bargain when they signed him.

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You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

With Rice only having one healthy season in his career with the Vikings and coming off surgery it's not really surprising that he got hurt again in Seattle.

Also, to trade him you would’ve had to make that decision prior to week 6 of 2010 when he was sitting at home recovering from surgery. Perhaps if Rice’s injury was less murky the Vikings could’ve traded him after 2009 but at that point he was a young Pro-Bowler and definitely in their future plans. Quite a bit changed once he had to undergo surgery and the arthritic condition was revealed. All in all I think getting a compensatory 3rd or 4th rounder and having cap-space that can be used on a Stevie Johnson or Pierre Garcon is a better situation than having Rice with a few new injuries and a big deal on the books.

You were right about trading Ray Edwards at the end of 09 but I think the Vikings front office handled the Rice situation as well as they could’ve given how strangely his hip injury played out.

by CanadianViking on Feb 21, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like Erin.

I absolutely think he should be resigned. He impressed me a lot in the pre-season but then when the season hit, I was so focused on the bad stuff that was happening that I wasn’t able to pay as much attention to him as I would have liked. But from what I did see, he was definitely one of the more solid defensive players. He did many things better than Greenway and his brother. I think he’s more athletic, too. This team could use a little more speed. He was very solid against the run and covered better than Greenway and his older brother. Now lets hope the coaching staff is right about Jasper Brinkley and he can step in for E.J. (who I don’t think will be back, sadly) and Solomon Elimimian (had to look up how to spell that) can become a solid contributor. Our linebacking corp would actually be a fairly strong part of our defense.

And while you’re working on the defense, Vikings coaches, please find a way to get Everson Griffen on the field. I think he could be something special if given the right opportunity. I saw an article about putting him at safety and I didn’t even think it was all that ridiculous. It would never happen, but honestly, he couldn’t do any worse than Jamarca Sanford. Needless to say, I’m a big fan of Griffen’s.

by SirGrizzly on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 PM CST reply actions  

i agree on both Erin and Griffen, I think they are solid building blocks

and we are going to have a lot of new faces on the team due to the obvious, and I kind of like that there will be continuity if we re-sign him, and I would like to see both he and Griff get a chance to emerge this year as part of a new identity on offense. Brinkley is a bit of a question mark yet to me, as his injury type has the potential to be of the lingering variety and I haven’t heard anything about his rehab. I would hope that we goe find another stud hitter for the middle to shore up the position.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 21, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm really hoping that

Elimimian is going to a diamond in the rough.

We’ll see how that pans out, I suppose.

by SirGrizzly on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't hold my breath

Last CFL player they got to make an impact didn’t do much of anything.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 21, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

He’s pretty good at fumbling, though.

Everyone’s gotta be good at something.

by SirGrizzly on Feb 21, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The Hendersons combined are not worth 8 million HOWEVER

I did hear EJ on the local sports radio before the Redskin game. I was impressed by his eloquence. I like Erin.. His future is bright .. I hope he stays
I also like the LOW risk and Hi reward effort to improve with our CFL signings.. Anyone remember a Guy named Warren Moon???

by DC Viking on Feb 22, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Warren Moon was a bit different

He went to the CFL because at the time the NFL didn’t want to hire a black QB. He shows how good he really is and Houston picks him up. Now people don’t really care about the color of your skin so much as how you play the position. I guess if you were like a girl playing receiver or something you might have the same thing happpen but really a girl playing football? Well maybe a kicker.. :)

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 23, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Moon was a different issue.

Some better examples would be guys like Jeff Garcia and Doug Flutie who got knocked for their height and scrambling styles. Probably the best example would be Cameron Wake who’s starring for the Dolphins right now. From what I see of the CFL, the guys who usually make it to the NFL these days tend to be tweeners or guys with bad measurables from smaller schools that get overlooked. I’d be pleasantly surprised if Elimimian turns into a starter for us but I kind of expect he’ll be like the majority of CFL imports and find a role as a special teams star.

by CanadianViking on Feb 23, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally I hope he doesn't make it

I can’t bear to think of how many times I will misspell that name…

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 23, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha, I'm usually good with names but his is tough : )

Think I’ll just call him Sol if he makes an impact or go Stephen Colbert on his last name and call him Elimi-insert joke here-ian.

by CanadianViking on Feb 23, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 24, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, I'll withold any high hopes until I can see him play, but

does Emanuel Arceneaux ring a bell? He looked alright as a back up receiver. But didn’t look like he was going to take anyone’s job. But I do like rooting for those CFL guys.

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You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 23, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I always get optimistic about underdog players.

That maybe explained why I thought T-Jack would turn out to be a good QB. Boy was I off.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 23, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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