Vikings Draft Results from the Live Draft at Mocking The Draft
by MarkSP18 on Feb 19, 2012 11:51 AM CST
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PrintI participated in the Live Draft over at mockingthedraft.com Friday and Saturday. NMVike was going to help with the picks but had a coaching clinic and was unavailable. He did have some input prior though.
Here is the link to the draft tracker ...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au_NykMAUAyWdFJfV0VDUG8xQ2trSXRBcWVhRXcwSHc&pli=1#gid=0
Here are the Vikings picks ...
3rd pick – Matt Kalil OT – The Real USC
35th pick – Stephon Gilmore CB – Wannabe USC
67th pick – Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State
The Vikings make a trade with the Chiefs. The Vikings give pick #99 in exchange for picks #108 & #139.
108th pick – Joe Adams WR Arkansas
131st pick – Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
139th pick – Emmanuel Acho LB Texas
163rd pick – Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
195th pick – Chigbo Anunoby DT Morehouse
208th pick – Joe Long OT/OG Wayne State
Prior to the draft the Bengals GM was trying to get me to select Morris Claiborne and then trade him to them later. The last deal we had in place was ...
The Bengals give their #17, #53, #85, & #158 (from the Patriots for Ocho Stinko) picks plus their 2013 1st & 2nd round picks for the Vikings #3 & #131 picks plus the Vikings 2013 3rd round pick.
... I did not get approval from the dude running the draft in time but probably could have went through with the trade anyway and had the board approve. I wish that I had done it just for the fun of having all the picks. But I waited too long and the Rams took RG3 leaving Kalil for the Vikings. Plus the Cincy GM changed his mind. I probably could have done the deal.
I also had an offer from the Redskins of trading RG3 to them for their pick #6 if we took him. I wanted their 1st & 2nd in this draft plus their 1st next year. The Rams traded RG3 for the Redskins 1st, 2nd and 2013 conditional 2nd or 3rd.
That seems like it is too little when you consider that the Giants gave up their 1st & 3rd in 2004 plus their 1st and 5th in 2005 to trade for Eli Manning in that 2004 draft. But the Rams GM wanted to get the picks and could not get a better offer. I have a feeling that I would have had to take a similar deal as well.
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Anyway, I stayed put and took Kalil which was one of our objectives anyway. To get the Rams so worried about not being able to trade and then passing on Kalil.
In the second round I lost my connection and represented in true Vikings form. They had to use my BPA list that was required before the draft to make my pick. If I had not lost my connection for that brief period I was leaning towards Ta’amu, Osemele, or Poe. I probably would have had to decide between the first two and most likely would have went with Ta’amu at #35. But shiite happens.
In the third round I was hoping for Jerel Worthy to fall in our laps but the Saints traded up. Perhaps I should have traded up two spots to get him myself?
In the 4th round the Chiefs wanted Jared Crick and made the trade with me. Maybe I should have taken Crick myself. He could be a base DE in a 4-3 defense.
The last two picks I just grabbed a couple of developmental guys because I believe the Vikings will have at least a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick for Rice.
If you check the draft tracker you can see the picks and let me know what you would have done differently if you'd like.
Did I take too many defensive backs? I think that Gilmore and Judie could conceivably transition to safety.
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Love the first 3 picks...
Any mock draft that has us getting Matt Kalil is a good mock draft, IMO.
I do like addressing the DB’s early and often, and Gilmore and Martin could both start day 1.
Joe Adams is an interesting prospect. I like him, but I think I like Jeff Fuller more. The fact that you got both of them so late is really good. I hope it plays out like this.
I’m not too high on Judie and Acho, but where you selected them they were worth a shot.
You seemed to address positions of need, while also going BPA. I hope it turns out like this next year. I honestly think these additions would bump us up to around 7-9, and that’s before free agency. (I think Matt Kalil alone will give us at least 2 more wins, and possibly 3+)
Agreed. Love the first 3 picks as well.
Really hoping we get Markelle Martin in the 3rd as I think Safety is probably our biggest need after LT.
by CanadianViking on Feb 19, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I like it!
If Martin was there at 67, that value is too good to pass up. If we get a guy like Landry in free agency I think you can go BPA with that third round pick and take a linebacker/interior offensive or defensive lineman. But all in all, way to represent!
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
I was going to take Jerel Worthy if he was still there though
I then would have taken Janzen Jackson or Brandon Taylor it the fourth
This is all silly
When all is said and done the vikings need to just Draft BPA for OL and CB for all 10 picks, pick up 1 or 2 WR in FA and be done with it. hell pick up Wayne and Manning and left Ponder learn from the best for a season. I don’t care. For god’s sake though, BPA O-line and CB for all tens picks. Sort out the trash in Training camp and we could just have 2 really good O-linemen and 2 Really good CB’s
the more you draft in a position the higher possibility that you will actually not get total crap.
Skol Vikings! I Fight for my country and the Vikings fight for my soul
That would work
if all we needed were linemen and CBs. Unfortunately, that is most definitely not the case.
Ew, no.
There’s no way you would find 10 O-line/CB picks in your draft. Maybe if nobody else selected a CB or O-lineman, that plan would work out.
But there’s more wrong with the team than simply the O-line and CB situation. And there’s only so many quality WRs who will hit FA.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 19, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
When you draft for need
You are more likely to have busts. We need help all over the roster not just OL and CB… if we spent all ten picks on those two areas that could go down as one of the worst drafts of all time. Spielman said he expects all ten draft picks to be able to contribute to the team so getting 4 “really good” players out of 10 picks in just two positions is not really going to gel with that train of thought.
"none of us is a fan of the team" - Judd Zulgad (also fabricated the "schism" reports of 09')
This would work
Scouts really don’t know anything when it comes to researching players. So this means, if we draft Every position based on BPA on the board then we lose and we have a horrible percentage of truly filling any need. what we need is as many rolls of the dice as we can get for the Top 2 Needs (CB and OL) Follow this link and you will be made aware. ( http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d826f73ca/Football-Freakonomics-Draft-Luck ) I have been saying this for years. so I differ to my previous post
Skol Vikings! I Fight for my country and the Vikings fight for my soul
I liked how they didn't show the data
that they used to come up with their 50% rate between ranked players.
I didn’t find the video to be too convincing.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not gonna lie, when I saw your first 3 picks
my first reaction was: Mark participated in a mock draft and didn’t make a ton of trades!?!?!
Looks good. Too bad your internet crapped out, but I’d be pretty damn happy with this haul. If there’s one position of major need we could address in free agency, it’s WR, so I think going OL/DBs is a pretty good choice.
lol Same on the first thought.
I’m sort of glad the trade with the Bengals fell through. I mean, unless you participate with the same people next year, and they actually take away the Bengal’s selections they’d have given you.. it seems pointless to even talk about trading ’13 picks.
Anyway, I like the focus on DBs as well. We sorely need both quality and depth in the secondary.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 19, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I wish I would have taken that trade just for the fun of it
I would have taken Cordy Glenn with the first pick and Kelechi Osemele with the second pick. Then I would have probably added Andrew Datko in the fourth round. I could have lived with that draft too. Both those guys are beasts and would have fit in nicely next to Sullivan. Also, since both have experience at left tackle they may have been able to hold down the fort until Datko was ready.
Are the Bengals really that desperate for some CB help?
Seems like an awful lot to trade for a CB, obviously the light must have gone off in the Cincy GM’s head since he decided against the trade in the end.
"none of us is a fan of the team" - Judd Zulgad (also fabricated the "schism" reports of 09')
Love these picks
Especially top 3. I know your feelings on taamu, but i still like gilmore pick more. I think Joe Adams is a good prospect, but does anyone think his style is too similair to percy that we wouldnt get great benefit?
by IL PurpleRain on Feb 19, 2012 3:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Percy could have migraines again or just get banged up
Having a super fast guy that can fill in for him or even be on the field at the same time is just another weapon. Plus Adams can return punts very well.
Later Picks are a Bit Questionable...
I wouldn’t have waited so long to get a DT or LB. We were hurting last year because we didn’t have a good replacement for Pat. If Poe was available in the 2nd, I would have put some serious consideration into grabbing him there, but Gilmore looks like he’d be a great 2nd-round option too, and your internet went out on you, so no fault there. Right now, it looks like Ta’amu should fall into the 3rd round, so he would be a good selection there.
I don’t think WR is as big of a need as most people do. Jenkins and Harvin are both capable of producing a lot. I’d hope that we can work with some of the guys we already have, including Joe Webb, to take care of the majority of our needs there. An improved offensive line will make the entire WR group look much improved from a year ago. And with the depth at the position this year, I would have waited longer to find a speedster who needs a bit of grooming. Then we could cover LB and G, maybe another corner (compensatory) picks with 4th-5th round selections.
Rams strategy
Interesting scenario for the Rams to draft RG3. That’s more of an NBA style move I think because the problem with having 2 young QB’s on your roster is that every team knows you have to trade 1 so I think it could backfire – which it looks like it did when you see the low value they got. I think I like where the Vikes are at #3 better than the Rams slot for that reason. If Blackmon has a big day at the Combine I wonder if they would grab him. Tory Holt was gushing about him recently. This is going to be really fun to see how it plays out.
by Torstein on Feb 19, 2012 8:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I doubt the trade in the real draft will be for so little
It just is not going to happen. A 1st & 2nd plus a conditional 2nd or 3rd the next year for a potential franchise QB? I would not bet money on that deal because other teams can beat it easily.
In these live mock drafts all the dudes picking for other teams want to do is pick players. It is like a game for some of them and they are not interested in future picks. They want to make a pick in these drafts.
But that is understandable and the reason why it went down like that. The trade I did in the fourth was more realistic since it matched up well with the points.
Just to clarify - I wonder if the Rams would grab Blackmon.
I still want Kalil.
by Torstein on Feb 19, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Joe Adams sighting!!
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 19, 2012 9:26 PM CST reply actions
It would be interesting to know
What some of the trades that were made looked like. For instance what did the Giants give up to get the top pick in round 2?
Overall good job Mark.
by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM CST reply actions
Here is the trade that the Rams and Giants made …
Giants trade their second, third, seventh and next years 4th for the 33rd pick.
… I think that this trade was too low but the Rams GM did it anyway.
This was the main problem with these live mock drafts. The dudes playing GM really did not care about what they gave up the following year for the most part. They only wanted to make picks in this draft.
Like I said in my previous post, unless you guys are going to all get together again next year
and, for some reason, penalize those teams the ‘13 picks they traded away, you could just sell the ’13 draft ’farm.’ You guys probably should’ve set some kind of guidelines that only picks from that season could be utilized in trades to prevent that sort of stuff.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Agree and didn't
The Giants already trade away their 7th rounder? I thought we have the Giants and Patriots 7th rounders this year.
by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 20, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
It was just for fun for the cats that did it
The organizer did have the no trading of future picks in at the beginning but was talked into allowing it. He has already said if they do another one they will not allow future picks to be included in trades.
I disagree about the future picks. If the Vikings could have gotten a haul like the one the Bengals were giving up then I would say go for it. They would have had the #17 pick plus two seconds and two thirds this year plus two firsts and two seconds next year.
On paper that sounds pretty good to me.
But I was doing this with NMVike and when he had other commitments I could not do the trade without his approval.
You guys are right in that what good does it do unless you take away the picks in next year’s mock. But these guys are not always the same ones from the year before and the actual picks by the team are different and they could not have the picks the next year.
And yes the Giants should be giving a pick to us but I am not sure if the trade was conditional or not. Reynauld did so little that the Vikings may not get more than what they already have received.
Originally the dudes were only going to go for 5 rounds and then decided to push through 7 rounds.
I think the organizer did a pretty good job myself.
In the end, it is just for fun for some. Maybe some do not appreciate it.
Naw, its fine.
I just find it silly people would even accept picks from ‘next year.’ Its supposed to be a draft for this year. In a sense, you give away something for nothing. To me, it takes away something from the mock to get these ‘future’ picks you’re never going to be using.
But as long as fun was had, that’s all that matters.
And I agree in the sense that if the Bengals really did make that offer in reality, I’d hope the Vikes would jump on it. That was quite the bounty of picks, especially early ones. Could have been just what we needed to grab some extra CB/S depth and quality WRs.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 20, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Loved the picks Mark. Got a lot of talented people and would be happy if this is how it goes down.
I’ve stopped worrying about what the Vikings are going to do in the first because they really are in a great situation. One of three things will happen and I’d be please with all of them. If the Rams trade out, the Vikings get the best OLT prospect in the draft. If Rams take Kalil, they have a great opportunity to grab more picks in a trade down or if the Rams draft Kalil and the Vikings can’t trade out, grab the best CB prospect and focus on OL through rest of draft. All three are great options and for the most part, it’s out of the Vikings hands til draft day.
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by Josh_D on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah. I think the best approach would be to make it appear as if the Vikings really are interested in RG3. That would force teams to trade up with the Rams. Then the Vikings can get Kalil.
If the Rams take Kalil and decide not to trade down, then they would be wise to take Kalil themselves. Very wise as Bradford was getting pummeled last year.
It is very possible that both the Browns and the Buccaneers go with offensive tackles in the first round.
Suppose the Rams trade down with Washington. The Vikings get Kalil. The Browns could take Reiff and the Bucs could take Martin.
Then in the second round both teams can pick a CB or WR if they wanted as those two positions are deep in this draft while the tackle position is not too deep.
Why would the Browns and Bucs take tackles that high when they have Joe Thomas and Donald Penn respectively?
I’m not saying they wouldn’t want Reiff or Martin to play RT for them but with franchise LTs already in place I’d think they’d look to address other needs first.
by CanadianViking on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
A classic comment...
In the second round I lost my connection and represented in true Vikings form.
That is both very funny and very painful. Oh the memories.
"Men are creatures with two legs and eight hands. - Jayne Mansfield
Actually that worked out very well for the Vikings
Baltimore tried to pull a fast one and did not call the deal in to the league. Meanwhile Jacksonville grabbed Leftwich and Baltimore got Boller. The Vikings ended up with who they wanted all along and KWill has proven to be the better player.
Mike Tice got back at Baltimore in this past draft when the Bears made them miss their pick.
Payback is a beeyatch!
Yes, it did work out well.
…but it was painful to watch. Glad we can all laugh about it now.
"Men are creatures with two legs and eight hands. - Jayne Mansfield
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