The One That Strengthens Our Resolve
by Christopher Gates on Feb 2, 2012 3:40 AM CST
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PrintSo, yesterday I mentioned that I would get into a bit more detail about what happened for our Super Bowl Squares pool to get canned at precisely the moment that everything got filled up and it looked like we were going to meet our goal of contributing $1,000 to Jared Allen's Homes for Wounded Warriors.
While, as I stated yesterday, the fault is primarily mine when it comes to this entire situation, I did get an interesting little bit of information about what happened with this whole thing. Apparently the genesis of the entire thing was that "someone involved with lobbying" in the state of Minnesota spotted our pool, and the issue somehow made it all the way to the Governor's office. The Governor's office then asked the Department of Public Safety's Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division to get involved, and that's why we are where we are right now.
Now, I don't particularly give a damn who this particular person is or where they're from or anything of that nature. Heck, it's their right to point this sort of thing out and, by the letter of the law, they did the right thing. However, I don't believe that their motives in getting our endeavor shut down were entirely altruistic. And, since it appears as though we have fans. . .or enemies. . .wandering around the State Capitol, it would be foolish of me not to speak to them now that I, apparently, have their attention.
(Oh, and this is fairly long. Just warning you ahead of time.)
We here at The Daily Norseman have made it no secret that we are firmly on the side of a stadium for the Minnesota Vikings getting built in the greater Twin Cities area. We haven't really endorsed a specific site, although we have gone over some of the pros and cons of the different venues that have been brought out to this point. For pretty much all of us, our favored site for a new Minnesota Vikings' stadium is, and continues to be, "wherever the damn thing gets built so that the Vikings stay in Minnesota."
With that in mind, if "someone involved with lobbying" is responsible for putting a relatively benign endeavor like our Super Bowl Squares pool in front of the Governor's office, there's only one real "lobby" that would like to see such endeavors fail. That would be the anti-stadium lobby, who now appear to not only be anti-stadium, but anti-fan as well.
At the risk of sounding as though we're entering full-blown "tin foil hat" territory, when I do the math here, I can't shake the feeling that this was done in an effort to sort of fire a shot across the proverbial bow of our good ship here. I don't know how taking money out of the pockets of wounded veterans serves to do anybody any good. . .then again, I've never been a lobbyist of any sort, so I don't know how their mindset works. Maybe they think we're a little too pro-stadium and need to be put in our collective place or something, I don't know.
If that's the case, then a specific quote comes to mind. . .it comes from the television show The Wire, and it's spoken by Omar Little. It's a very simple quote.
"When you come at the king, you best not miss."
Whoever you are, and wherever you are? You've missed. Badly.
If you thought we were brazenly pro-stadium before, I do believe that we're going to become even more so from this point forward. Why? Because that's our right, that's why. We have a bunch of folks here that have done a ton of research on the subject of a new Minnesota Vikings stadium, what they mean to the state of Minnesota, and the consequences if they were to leave. The Minnesota Vikings have been pushed to the back burner by the state of Minnesota for over a decade now. . .told to wait their turn. Told that the Twins needed to get taken care of first. Told that the Golden Gophers needed to get taken care of first. Told that they needed to find a local partner. Told that they needed to formulate a plan. All things that they've done. . .and all things that you've ignored.
You knew that this day was coming. . .and, for over a decade, you have made the conscious decision to do nothing. Three different governors, two different ownership groups, a laundry list of demands that the Vikings have continued to meet. . .and you have chosen to sit on your hands. Now everybody involved in this is, potentially, in a bad situation, and you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
Let me crib another movie quote here, just because I'm on a roll here. It's one we all know, one we all know the source of and the story behind, so I won't cite it. . .but here it is.
"If you strike us down. . .we shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
If nothing happens with the Vikings' stadium in the near future and Zygi Wilf even drops the slightest of hints that he's thinking of moving our football team elsewhere, we will know the people that are responsible for making that happen. There's an election coming up this November, and everyone in the Minnesota Senate and the Minnesota House of Representatives is up for re-election this year. With that being the case, let me make something perfectly clear.
If you are responsible for pushing the Minnesota Vikings out of the state of Minnesota due to your inaction and your unwillingness to do the right thing, we will throw everything we have behind whoever is running against you. It doesn't matter if you're a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or whatever. If you play a part in helping to push the Vikings out of the state of Minnesota, we will do everything we can to see to it that you are defeated at the polls this November.
Think that's not a big deal? Au contraire. Over the last two months, this site has averaged about 10,000 visits a day. A whole lot of those hits come from right inside the state of Minnesota, and quite a few from the states that are right next door, too. If that pace were to keep up until election time, it would equate to more than 2.5 million visits between now and Election Day, many of them coming from the most die-hard fans of Minnesota Vikings football anywhere.
That's a whole lot of potential donations that could be made.
That's a whole lot of potential phones that could get dialed.
That's a whole lot of potential doors that could get knocked on.
That's a whole lot of potential angry constituents that could exercise their inalienable right to put you out of a job.
At the risk of sounding a bit arrogant. . .and if I may go back to the movie well one last time here. . .yeah, we're kind of a big deal.
We want a new Minnesota Vikings' stadium in Minnesota. We think you've jerked this franchise around long enough. We will continue expressing that every single step of the way until something happens. That will not change.
And that's all I've got to say about that.
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And this goes for most all of us from other states around the union
who cherish this team and recognize the great state of Minnesota as sort of our home ground, if you will, for certainly football and for other things like fishing, great winter sports, and friendly people (and mosquitoes the size of Volvos). 75% of my wardrobe consists of shirts and sweatshirts and hats the proclaim “Minnesota” and I have several friends in just this one Iowan town who do the same thing, and to a person, if the Minnesota State Legislature cannot figure out a way to bring some type of positive resolution (and I understand that you want to come to an agreement that is fair for everyone in the state), but if you can’t figure it out, and you lose this team, you will lose certainly my tourism dollars not just during your short tenures, but permanently and not out of revenge but out of disgust.
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
Korean War, Battle of Chosin Reservoir, U.S. commander Chesty Puller:
“We’ve been looking for the enemy for some time now. We’ve finally found him. We’re surrounded. That simplifies things…they can’t get away this time and now we can shoot at those bastards from every direction.”
by izziefans on Feb 2, 2012 4:42 AM CST reply actions 10 recs
There is no call...
…. for ratting out a small fundraiser/gambling game to the Powers-That-Be. Perhaps The Rat was told by someone who heard from someone, etc, etc. That said, SBNation keeps getting bigger and bigger, it’s pretty hard to fly under the radar here. Pro-stadium is the general stance here (not surprisingly), but there are many posters who are over-the-top in their venom against the guv, legislative figures, and city politicians. They may be silent and lurking, but enemies have definitely been made.
This should already be happening if you are a MN resident who wants a stadium.
That’s a whole lot of potential donations that could be made.
That’s a whole lot of potential phones that could get dialed.
That’s a whole lot of potential doors that could get knocked on.
That’s a whole lot of potential angry constituents that could exercise their inalienable right to put you out of a job.
At the risk of sounding a bit arrogant. . .and if I may go back to the movie well one last time here. . .yeah, we’re kind of a big deal.
People in MN who want this done need to start making their voices heard. Phone calls work best.
One thing is that even those out side the state
Can have an impact on the election, as much as i hate it the laws do not prohibate one from making a financial contribution to candadates one can’t vote for do to geography. It might not be a bad idea for this site to keep track of legislators who have been working to get something done, who has been working to scuttle stadium efforts. And when the time comes who is running against them so we know who to donate to and who to vote against.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Feb 2, 2012 7:32 AM CST via Android app reply actions
hear, hear
It might not be a bad idea for this site to keep track of legislators who have been working to get something done, who has been working to scuttle stadium efforts. And when the time comes who is running against them so we know who to donate to and who to vote against.
and living in Iowa, i’d gladly contribute to anyone running against whoever The Rat is.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
i wonder what would happen
If we told a local news station? Would they be sympathetic bc of the donation part or not?
by Lunchpail on Feb 2, 2012 8:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions
it might not be a bad idea for Chris and Co. to consider it
or maybe bring it to KFAN’s attention. or something. i’d forward it on, but i don’t think it’s my place to create more work for everyone at the DN if they want to put this to rest.
but if they feel inclined to get the message out there, i’m sure there would be a lot of Vikes fans who would want answers as to why the Governor got in the way of a charitable contribution to be made to veterans…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Wouldn't it be cool
to get Jared Allen himself on KFAN to express his displeasure over what happened? That would be CLASSIC!
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
that would
Pretty much make my day
by Lunchpail on Feb 2, 2012 9:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
While what just happened pales in comparison
This just keeps popping into my head right now….
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 2, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've gone back and forth on this exact statement proposed.
I would assume that Chris is most annoyed/upset/whatever about how FAR this topic had to travel to get derailed. It was like prioritized like the DN was giving away a free car or something. It wasn’t any chump change, but the idea of $1K getting addressed like this almost seems like a misappropriation of tax-payer dollars(see the irony?) I still, can’t help but view this as it is. The law sucks, but if its illegal its illegal(letter of the law), but I would venture to say that the people of wrote the law would probably allow this to happen had they known the cause behind it. There’s probably even some legal maneuvering that the DN/SBN could do to make it work, but its simply not worth it on this side.
White Horn Gold Pants
Someone complained
Hows that on the governor?
Wow
So, the Gov. office was more concerned about a friendly wager plus a cause for charity then finding a solution to the stadium? Correct me if Im wrong, but this has been ongoing now, the stadium, for what, 10 years? And time after time, it get’s passed off, but off or down right turned off?
But as a few said recently, why should the Vikings care at all? Why care one bit that the stadium issue keeps getting fudged around? Obviously, what goes on in the Daily Norseman is sooooo much more important then getting a stadium done in Arden Hills, Downtown, Bloomington, Shakopee or at the Metrodome site. Yes, what happens here will have much more dire consequence to the tax dollars generated for the state then the lowely Vikings could ever hope to produce. Please, tell me that?
To the ones in the Gov. office and others who think it’s more important to be concerned on what is going on in here then getting the stadium done, I say this:
But again, why should the VIkings or their fans care, right?
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
Well said, Sir.
I’m from Michigan, and if the Vikings moved, you have my support for the amount that I would annually spend on a trip to Minnesota for a game. This is roughly $2,000 on hotels, food, etc. In other words, I got your back, and I believe others would too.
Nice post, love the arrogance because it can be backed up, and great to see its not only my emotions starting to flare. I swear, the next Packer fan that makes a joke to me about the “Viqueens” (Dumbest joke ive ever heard, especially when your named a packer) moving to LA is going to recieve a throat punch…issued via me.
Go with the backhand to the nut-sack. Much more effective and hard to see coming.
White Horn Gold Pants
what's next, lobbyists hunting down your weekly poker game??
i hope you’re not faulting yourself too much on this, Chris — it’s just the way the chips fell, unfortunately.
it makes me wonder how many people in the Gov’s office have a square pool on the side, or a bet riding on Sunday’s game; or how many have ever filled out a March Madness bracket for money (with a portion of the proceeds likely not going to charity)…
good grief.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
nah not poker games
Next they’ll go bar to bar and nix their pools
by Lunchpail on Feb 2, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The problem in this situation
is the lobbyist. I think to assume that the lobbyist in question is anti-stadium is a bit off the mark. Not completely insane, but doesn’t exactly reach logical status. The “problem” as the author pointed out was the idea of gambling. I doubt it’s a secret that most Vikings fans want the public to pay for a stadium that helps an out of state investor can bolster his bottom line. (obviously, while I am against that measure, I am certainly not against a squares game for charity). I think it would be obvious (now confirmed) that lobbyists, legislatures, etc. comb through various threads about the issues of the day, be it the St. Paul Press, the Strib, or even the DN.
It seems that people here live in a bubble, exclusive of reality, to some degree. While everyone seems to be against the Gov for not passing through legislation for a stadium, they seem to forget that it is not a Gov’s job to write and pass bills for the legislature. They also seem to forget that a DFL Gov has very little influence over a Republican controlled House and Senate. With that in mind, I wouldn’t think that this rat is worried at all about the stadium, but instead about the gambling. There are tribal interests at stake, and the relations between tribes and state government are continuously tense. Considering one of the more acceptable solutions to funding a stadium is to open up gambling, I would think that it would be a little more logical that would ruffle feathers.
Also, I don’t think (again, with politics outside of just the Vikings Stadium Issue) that Dayton could ill afford to ignore the laws.
I also don’t understand how we can sit here and suggest the lobbyist did what he should have done, and then complain about the gov not looking the other way, when the gov has the duty to uphold and enforce the law.
The rhetoric in the letter does sound like the GOP after the 2008 election….they stated that McCain lost because he wasn’t conservative enough….the rational being that people voted for the candidate to the left of the conservative choice because the conservative choice wasn’t far enough to the right. Logic circuits exploded on that one.
Again, a friendly pool, which happens across the state in work places, with friends, online (I don’t see the state taking issue with “fantasy football” and that is gambling as well), shouldn’t be a problem….but I would expect that it ruffles the feathers of some tribesmen that want all the gambling revenue to benefit them….because it certainly doesn’t benefit their entire tribe.
no.. this was clearly a shot.
We are talking a few hundred bucks here. That’s like a snitch shutting down your poker game with friends because he told the governor you were saying bad things about them.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When did Dayton put police officer or judge on his job description?
Maybe he should focus on the “governor” part of it.
White Horn Gold Pants
Well
He is the chief executive of the state, meaning he’s responsible for the enforcement of the law.
I get that, but its kind of a waste of taxpayer's money if he's sitting around waiting for the next Veteran benefit to put the kibosh on
I think the point is that there’s people in place to handle this. I don’t think the freaking Governor should be concerning himself with this. Shouldn’t he have more pressing/important tasks?
White Horn Gold Pants
That doesn't seem to be what Chris said happened
Someone complained. They had a point about the legality of the enterprise (even if the law is silly). What should he do? Wait for the politically motivated snitch to tell the paper how the governor refused to enforce the law?
You mentioned this elsewhere...
Why the governor’s office if not for purely political positioning? It seems to me that the governor or any other political figures are monitoring Vikings websites to see what is being discussed and they sort of fell onto this. Its quite a weird situation, to say the least.
White Horn Gold Pants
I think it's possible
that the anti-stadium guy with his website he was advertising that was being a dweeb the other night and got himself banned squealed on us. I forgot his name already. Just speculation (and not that important anyway – just sayin’).
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
W hy should the lobbyist have reported anything?
Is he/she a cop? And if, as Chris’s reporting suggests, it was reported to the governor’s first, why? Because the governor is the fist line of enforcement of gaming laws?
Chris tale suggests political motivations.
^^^THIS
Was exactly my thought as well. While we can draw the consipracy theory conclusion that the whistle-blower lobbyist was an anti-stadium person, I think it’s more likely that they had ties to gambling in the state of MN.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
Really, I have no idea
But I don’t see a whole lot of reason for the gaming lobby to care. It’s not like they have a sports book.
Thanks...
we’ve been discussing electronic pull tabs, the White Earth proposals and various other gambling schemes that would take money and power away from the tribes, get gambling off of the reservations and into the metropolitan area. All to fund a football stadium. Then we visibly suggest we gamble. I can see where someone feels threatened.
Meanwhile, I think Dayton is more worried about other things than if a group of stadium supporters (by and large) call him a derping derpity derp. He’s heard worse from the legislatures and their supporters. Think about it, the DN, as a community, while for the Arden Hills site specifically, has been supportive of ANY stadium deal, so long as the Vikings stay in Minnesota. So why would we think that Dayton’s office is trying to slap the DN on the wrist? I think Dayton was put in a position where his office had to do something and to appease that lobbyist or risk allowing illegal gambling and having that become a big issue…as in “the governor who ignores law breakers” re-election type issues. The big question is the political motivations behind that lobbyist. Why would the lobbyist go to Dayton if the lobbyist were anti-stadium? Dayton is pro-stadium (or at least not opposed to one). If this was “a shot across the bow”, to back down from the AH site, then there would have to be a direct message for anyone to get the threat. The direct message was “quit illegal gambling”….the logical motive for that message has nothing to do with the stadium.
To put it another way, if I’m worried about you not removing the snow in front of your house, why would I call the cops on your Christmas lights being up?
i cant freaking believe it
Some sniveling little troglodyte cried all the way to the top because we are trying to do benevolent things in the name of Viking fans. Seriously if that person is reading these I hope you get super cancer on the ass and genitals. I hope you are happy taking money away from Americas finest.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 9:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Oh don't patronize me
As if no one has ever used hyperbole to get their point across on the internet. Honestly the peon who reported this is about the douche bag level equivalent of the guy in high school who drove around looking for parties to call them in or the neighbor who calls in the poker game next door because a few hundred bucks is exchanging hands between friends. I have no sympathy or well wishes for those folk whatsoever.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
example:
“Hey, (expletive)wit. Let’s not forget you haven’t done a single athletic thing in your life. Go french kiss a flamethrower.”
“I hope you fall down an elevator shaft onto a burning pile of rusted AIDS needles.”
"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
― Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon
chris
Honestly if you have the proof id take it to the Vikings…jared Allen…and any media that will listen. Could you imagine the egg on the face after being exposed for shutting down a charitable effort from a group of every day well meaning average fans?
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 9:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The proof of what?
That even though it was a small operation, the DN was still attempting to do something illegal, but had the intentions to raise $$ for wounded vets, but were shut down by Governor Dayton.
I got back and forth on this, but at the end of the day(no matter how overreacting the governor’s office is on this or how stupid the law is), its still illegal. It’s drinking at 20 1/2 years old or even going 56 mph in a 55 zone. It’s ridiculous, but there’s hard lines in the law and this one apparently falls on the other side.
White Horn Gold Pants
yea but have you ever been pulled over for doing 56?
by Lunchpail on Feb 2, 2012 9:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let's remember the carrot too
There should be just as much resolve to support those who have supported stadium efforts too. Words, dollars, and votes of support for them are perhaps even more valuable. Rep Lanning and Sen Rosen. Commissioners Bennett and Ortega. The governor. Mayor Rybak and Council President Johnson.
Some or all of them have probably caused you some frustration, but they’ve all (along with others) been working to get something done and deserve thanks.
by amiller92 on Feb 2, 2012 9:15 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
True
More movement than last year. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. (is that 10 yet? now I’m done.)
White Horn Gold Pants
Fantastic post
Hat’s off to you for getting your feelings off your chest. The squares game is common in many office pools. A game of chance with a great cause. How it ran afoul of the laws has to be frustrating to undo the great idea. On one hand you think you live in the most ‘free’ country in the world, and crap like this happens to realize you’re only ‘free’ as long as you’re a good citizen ‘within the laws of our country’.
Turning it into a positive note can be a great mobilizing factor by identifying EVERYONE up for political re-election, and forming a check sheet on who’s doing what on this issue (pro or anti stadium). A .pdf file can be updated regularly and possibly redistributed via facebook until November 2012, and via email so voters have a clear conscience of who and what they’re voting for (eg. instead of walking into the polls and feeling like you’re randomly guessing at names you dont know, the voters are more informed who they want in the office on a central topic that’s important to them – the Vikings being in Minnesota).
This document can also clearly identify the players who have an anti-tax stance or Tea Party role because there could be a common pattern with enough people ‘tied to an ideology’ that it prevents any real solution or progress on getting things done. The end result is we VOTE in people who can break the LOGJAM and GET things done.
There’s too many politicians who care more about their re-electability than serving the people that voted them in. There’s also too many who have signed over their voting conscience to a tea party pledge to favor the power of a large voting block (controlled by someone who is not an elected official in the name of Grover Norquist) It cripples government and ability to compromise.
It’s time to send a REAL message to keep the Vikings here in Minnesota for the next 30-50 years. Yes, it may be an entertainment issue but it adds to the bottom line in countless ways – jobs, tax revenues, infrastructure, tourism, and good ol’ Minnesota pride. The stadium issue needs to stand alone, with no piggy backing of Target Center upgrades. Both Lucas Oil (upcoming SuperBowl site) and Cowboy Stadium have become a destination spot. We can take a page out of their book to create a destination worthy of the Vikings. An indecisive stadium effort ‘only’ in Minneapolis won’t cut it anymore – which is why the Arden Hills vision is so powerful and captures the attention of the fans, attention of the NFL, and solves Metrodome problem issues.
Resolve is strengthened. Let’s get moving and show them the real power of the internet, social media, and how more informed voters can have an impact on the ELECTABILITY of all politicians associated with the stadium and the Vikings. We want solutions. We want the Vikings to have a home in Minnesota.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
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by VikesFanSince1967 on Feb 2, 2012 10:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
And...
I refuse to come back to the site until that ‘Delocated’ advertisement is down.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
It is scary
Isnt it?
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Right now I see 3 guys in their underwear with black masks on my screen...
One is too many.
But I’m sure he’s either a politician, since he has no clothes and he’s hiding behind something, or he’s the tattletale.
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
it does make it a bit rough to bring the site up at work.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
this might be a stupid question, but...
…where are the SBNation servers located??
if DN.com is ‘technically’ operated outside MN state lines, does MN law still apply…??
i’m a little foggy on this jurisdiction stuff…
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
My guess is that personal risk to Chris
and the lawyers for SBN decided it wasn’t worth it. Can’t blame them. Try to do a good thing and getting spit back in your face doesn’t feel great. Usually just want to move on.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 2, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
It was deemed illegal
because Minnesota residents were participating in it. But yeah, the WOunded Warrior Project HQ is in Arizona, SB Nation HQ is in DC, where I assume the servers are, and Gonzo lives in California.
Sure am glad the governor’s office has plenty of time to shut that down. We wouldn’t want them to get distracted and have to end up in a government shutd—oh, wait. Never mind.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Nor
Distract anyone in the Capitol, Gov to the Legislature, from getting the stadium taken care of……oh wait, nevermind that as well for the last 10 years.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Feb 2, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
but if it's hosted in another state...
…and it’s legal in said state (or district), does it really matter where the participants are located?? are MN residents only allowed to gamble in-state??
maybe i’m over-thinking it.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Would you like to litigate the question?
It does not surprise me that Chris and SB Nation do not.
i was a Music major
what does that tell you…??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
That tells me that you would be all over those legislators
if they were illegally sharing your music. On other issues, it means you could provide a great soundtrack.
probably not...
i freelance w/ local businesses. people tend not to pirate 30sec commercial spots. =)
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Like^
Music professor right here. And by “was” does that mean you changed your major or graduated? :P
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
right on
‘was’ = graduated. twice. what do you teach??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
music tech director for my alma mater
coordinate recruitment and teach a computer music class, as well. do some freelance and even host karaoke Friday nights at the bar across the street. i’m lucky in that i get to do what i love in a variety of ways…!!
it’s awesome to see other music people on the board, i had no idea. weren’t you an Iowa guy, too??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Being able
to air drum Rush’s YYZ flawlessly Neil Peart style is really the highest level a musician can attain. :p
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
best is the fact that they could only put a four page offer to the Vikes for their stadium idea
obviously they were to busy doing other more important things…
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
by Grime on Feb 2, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So... we going with the, "I hope you realize, this means war." approach?
Because I’d be all for that. Yeah we’re technically in the wrong. But it’s a dick move by a dickish crowd. Public opinion against them is just what we need. Go to everyone who will listen about it.
by Crosseyes on Feb 2, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Better be careful though.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
the question is, who looks more like this:
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Very well done....
As a die hard Vikings fan living in Pennsylvania, this really makes me wish I lived in Minnesota just so I could vote against everyone that is running for re-election this year!
chin up good people of dn
it could be worse.. we could be packer fans….
and as something to help lighten the mood a bit how bout we do some “Remembering”
It's certainly not as bad
as Chris Carter trying to live this down – http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d2i8KUURMpI
Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne
For a guy who was scared to death...
…he was pretty funny about it. If I’d been as scared as he was, I probably wouldn’t have managed to keep smiling.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I kind of assume that the Superbowl squares for charity thing would run afoul of the law.
It’s Internet gambling after all. If the law is a bad law, it should be changed. However, once it is brought to the attention of law enforcement that a law is being broken, they are pretty much obligated to set things right. I think being told to simply end the gambling is a reasonable, soft and gentle approach to a situation that was well meaning.
Regarding the lobbyist, I can’t quite connect the dots to the conclusion that they are anti-stadium. It could be they are a lobbyist for an Indian casino (pro-stadium). It could be they are a lobbyist for Minnesota [insert whatever] industry, happen to be a fan of the Vikings or a fan of another football team (e.g. Green Bay), happen to be anti-online gambling and took the issue to someone they knew as a result of their lobbying. Who knows?
It’s a sad thing that this charity fundraising isn’t going to happen, but it’s understandable to me why it was stopped. The “under the radar” stuff gets by because it’s too plentiful to enforce (e.g. office pools). A site with 10K hits per day is a different thing altogether.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Too plentiful
And too hard to detect.
In other respects, it’s a good thing Daily Norseman is quite prominent.
take your tales of reason
and sell them to someone else! this here is a pitchfork wielding rabble rousing mob! Where’s the torches!
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Yeah!
Yeah yeah! (loud indistinct grumbling punctuated by occasional shouts)
by liveforadrenaline on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Play Another Squares Game!!!
Maybe we should play another super bowl squares game for 20 bucks a square. Big difference tho… for a $20 donation you receive one square, there is no payout or prize. All proceeds go to Arden Hills Site fund or (“insert your political persons funds here”). We get to donate towards the benefit of Vikings one way or another and have our initial game played! That might irk someone lol
"Suggested donation" is the way I've always heard it done.
Seems to be the way people operate that sort of work around. Only challenge is that if you get a stick in the mud, they ask for the square and offer nothing. Most people are gamers though and contribute at the suggested rate or just move on.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Can you just name them?
If you know who it is, put their name up. I say if you’re going to do things within the government it should all be public. We have a right to know who put the taibosh on this charity.
vikes should
wait out this session of the legislation . and since corps can donate to election funds back candidates that will get them the votes . vote out the no and put the yes into the spots. im sure less than 50 mill would put the necessary votes in office .
it looked like we were going to meet our goal of contributing $1,000 to Jared Allen's Homes for Wounded Warriors.
Ok all of you back me up. Give me an address to donate money to this cause and I will give some of my LEGAL gambling winnings. (of course I’ve never won much because so much of what I spend on LEGAL gambling goes to help things I don’t even care about or use or had any say in where I want it to go). Its a good cause so its a win win. Let me see here, 10,000 hits on this site, I’m sure half of you have won a dollar LEGALLY, that would be $5,000.00, 5 times this goal. Hey if you’ve won big LEAGALLY and you owe TAXES on that winning you could donate alot more, reduce the Taxes you have to pay the State of Minnesota using those RICH peoples tax breaks. That way YOU have a choice as to where some of your money goes.
I ran into this same issue
when I checked out setting up an online account for wagering on horse racing. Was the bet being placed in Minnesota at my keyboard or somewheres else where their servers were located? The only thing that all sites agreed upon was that I would not be allowed to place bets at Canterbury. There was a reason for that (I don’t remember it) but it was a warning sign to me.
I finally decided it was not worth it because the legality of the act was a very gray area. I decided I would continue to go to Canterbury and later to Running Aces. That was many years ago (2004?) and it sounds like it is still a gray area.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
can we call it a Super VIKE
i just really have a problem with that name ;-)
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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was waiting for this story.
Dear Rat,
Since I know you’re reading- thanks. Thanks for standing up and doing the right thing. It was great that you waited until the squares pool was filled before seeing to this illegal matter. Furthermore, thank you for being sure to do so without notifying Chris yourself that this was an issue, at least as a ‘heads-up’. Way to be stand-up and forward about this, again- we all sincerely appreciate it. But even more importantly, as an American, thank you for boning over the veterans. And not just ‘any’ vets (said of course with all due respect to the men and women who have shown more bravery and self-sacrifice than I ever have in my entire life), but those vets who sacrificed limbs and therefore their own personal freedome for yours, mine, and all Americans’ ensured continuing freedome. After all, what- do they REALLY need accessible homes? I mean, c’mon, screw those guys. It’s not like a whole one thousand dollars would have ever hoped some hero enter his/her own home with the pride of knowing he/she did so under their own power. I mean, what do these people need- some sort of ‘appreciation’ from us? So again, thanks. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing this in the most appropriate way by waiting until the squares pool was filled, and with absolutely no warning or advance information on it’s illegality to Chris, but more importantly, for ensuring we show veterans who have lost limbs- and often, more- for us all the proper respect that they deserve.
Signed- Kyle Fucking James Segall.
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by KJSegall on Feb 3, 2012 12:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't think that the Rat is anti-stadium is a safe assumption
There are just too many other possibilities. The gambling interests is just one. They might have been a goody-two-shoes, they might have thought that ratting was kissing up, they might have been the fan of another team, they might have been ticked at something personal from one of the people running DN, they might have done it inadvertantly, they might have hated JA, they might have had a problem with the military, they might be one of the people that just likes to stir up drama, they might have had a bad day and needed someone to kick, or so many other possibilities.
That said, it was a jerk move. Noone was profiting, except the winners and charity. Still, not surprising that a squares game so public was shut down.
And, no reason not to let it fire people up to act on the stadium lobbying…
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