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NFL Combine Winners And Losers

Happy Monday, fellow followers of The Greatest Team In The History Of The World Ever!! So as many of you know, this past weekend the NFL Combine took place, and several storylines developed in relation to your Minnesota Vikings.

There are some things that stood out to me, and how they might or might not affect the Vikings and how the draft will eventually unfold. Winners and losers, if you will.

But please, take the label 'winner' and 'loser' with a grain of salt. I really think the Vikings are in a great position regardless of what trades might or might not take place at #2, and who will or won't be available when the Vikes select at #3.

So with that in mind, let's take a look at who might have made themselves some money, and who might have hurt themselves. And when I say 'hurt', I mean 'go from multi-millionaire to...multi...millionaire'. So yeah.

Ready ready JUMP!

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Winners:

Robert Griffin III: One of the weird things, at least to me, is that the NFL Combine is nothing more than making a good impression, for the most part. And RGIII did that. He ran the fastest 40 yard dash for a QB since Michael Vick, and largely confirmed that he will be worth the risk of trading up to get. So that means that the...

St Louis Rams: ...will probably be the benefactors of that sentiment. As Chris posted here on DN over the weekend, the Redskinsare ready to trade their first three picks in the 2012 draft, and their first round pick in 2013 to move up to the Rams spot at #2 to draft RGIII. And that's the opening offer. I mean, if that's the floor of the deal, the ceiling could be ridiculous if another team gets involved. So if the Rams trade out of #2, that means...

Matt Kalil:...a guy that just about everybody is projecting to be an All Pro LT, will be available when the Vikes are on the clock at #3. Kalil had probably the best overall combine when you combine drills, interview, and impression made, and for those of you that think building a team from the lines out is the way to go, you've got to be excited at the possibility of him wearing purple and gold. Speaking of purple and gold, the...

Minnesota Vikings:...might not be quite in the Catbird seat that the Rams seem to be, but they're still in a 'win-win' situation, at least as far as the draft goes. The Rams have Sam Bradfordand aren't going to be drafting RGIII, so if they don't make a trade at #2 and select a guy like Kalil, Griffin III will be on the board at 3, and the Vikes can auction that pick to the Redskins or to whoever wants him. If the Rams do trade, the team moving ahead of the Vikes will be doing it to grab RG III, meaning Kalil will be there for the taking. Either scenario is a good one for Minnesota. Now, if the Vikes want to address a WR in the second round...

Stephen Hill:...might be one of the biggest climbers coming out of the combine. He's big, he's fast, and although I don't think he did enough to put himself ahead of Justin Blackmon, he might have done enough to see that he gets drafted in the late first round or early second. As it stands right now, I can't say that I'd be disappointed if the Vikings went Kalil-Hill 1 and 2. But I think young Mr. Hill might have worked himself into the back end of round one.

Static:

Andrew Luck and the Indianapolis Colts: Luck didn't really stand out, but he really didn't need to either. Is there anyone that thinks the Colts aren't taking Luck? Anyone? Bueller?

Losers:

Whoever trades with the Rams: One of the great things about the new CBA is the rookie wage scale, which makes trades for the top picks in the draft appealing for teams. Which makes guys like Dan Snyder do a 'Mike Ditka for Ricky Williams' kind of draft day trade. And while I call that a 'winner' for 31 other teams and their fans, it's going to be a steep price to pay, and a huge gamble. Atlanta gambled with a big draft day trade to get Julio Joneslast year, and it blew up in their face. Oh, how I wish that the team sitting at #2 was the...

Minnesota Vikings: Look, this is a bit of a stretch, because Matt Kalil will be a much needed addition to the offensive line should the Vikes draft him, and to say the Vikes are losers in all of this is a bit asinine. But I can't help imagining what the Vikings could do with all the picks they could amass if they were sitting at #2. They already have 10 picks come draft day, and a trade outlined above would give them a total of 12, to include to each in the first, second, and third round. And that means...

MarkSP18:...would have the craziest, most insane, off the wall draft and trade scenarios imaginable. With those 12 or 13 picks, Mark would be able to parlay that into 22 of the 32 first round picks with a 125% roster turnover. But because the Vikings probably won't be the beneficiaries of a draft day trade, he can't do that now. And we're all poorer for it. And even if Mark's crazy draft stuff did come true, one of the guys I hope he wouldn't have the Vikings take is...

Janoris Jenkins:...Yikes. This guy has more problemsthan a college math book, and will probably be the biggest risk on draft day. I hope the young man gets on the straight and narrow and can someday be a good example for people. I also hope that the Vikes avoid him on draft day.

So, the next big event on the NFL calendar is free agency, which is a little over two weeks away. But between now and then, we'll have franchise tenders, guys re-signing, and the list of guys available will clear up noticeably between now and then.

And we'll be here, every step of the way.

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Re: Luck

Did you not see how he tested? His 40 time, broad jump and vertical jump were all as good or better than the numbers that Cam Newton put up last year. So while everyone under the sun knew that Luck was the most “pro ready” QB available since John Elway, now we know that he’s a great athlete too.

Losers:
Justin Blackmon, Mohammad Sanu and Mike Adams. While Stephen Hill blew people away with his 40 time, Blackmon choose not to run and then followed that up by dropping everything thrown his way during the drills. Then Sanu (who has been mocked to the Vikes in the 2nd) went out and ran his forty while being timed with a sun dial. He ran a 4.65!

Meanwhile, Mike Adams put up bench numbers that were great, if he was a kicker or punter. Seriously, 19 reps? And I don’t want to hear the excuse that ‘he has long arms’ because Cordy Glenn and Matt Kalil both have longer arms and they both put up way more reps.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

On Luck

I can only speculate, but I think when he put Andrew Luck at “static” he didn’t necessarily mean that Luck had a poor combine or didn’t impress. He was very impressive. However, the only did things that he was expected to do. He should put up better numbers than Cam because he would’ve been drafted ahead of Cam if he’d come out last year. Also, Luck could be considered Static because he’s the 1st overall pick. He can’t go any farther up, only down and he certainly did nothing to move down. There for, he isn’t moving (i.e. static)

by SkolNick on Feb 27, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Completely disagree

First of all, we’re talking about athletic measurements. Raise your hand if you expected Andrew Luck to run as fast as, or jump as far and high as Cam Newton…Not too many hands are up. Second of all, some people out there, e.g., Tony Dungy, have said that RG3 should be drafted #1. I think Andrew Luck has silenced any of that talk because people now know that he is not just a drop back/pocket passer; he’s also a great athlete.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

and the other thing is that the Colts stated a long time ago that they will take him

Since they have the #1 pick, and everyone is available at #1, that means that the Colts will take Andrew Luck. He couldn’t solidify that any more than what was already done…ergo, his chances of being picked higher than #1 is impossible. Regarding Dungy’s opinion, it means the same as ours….absolutely nothing. The opinions that means something belong to the people who will be deciding who to take. Jim Irsay, owner of the Colts is one of those people, ergo, his opinion means a lot more than those of Dungy.

by Chris3 on Feb 27, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay

So we should take everything that GM’s and coaches are saying 3 months before the draft as gospel.

All I am saying is that Andrew Luck was a winner at the Combine. Yes he was already in great position going in, but I vividly remember the chatter during the season that Luck might not be a lock to be the #1 player drafted anymore, yadda yadda yadda. He went out and impressed everyone at the Combine with his athleticism. Period.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

well....when that owner/coach/gm

has a stud qb coming off of 3 neck surgeries, yes.

by Chris3 on Feb 27, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

No, never. No reason to trust any NFL GM until they make their selection

or if they sign(which teams often do with the #1 pick) Luck before the actual draft then that’s fine too. GMs release the information they want released. The Vikings seem to draft someone that we’ve never heard them associate with and often don’t even have them workout for the team. Its all head games leading up to draft day. Just because the Colts have the #1 pick doesn’t mean they’re going to tell the truth about everything. Completely agree with NMVike about his take on Luck. It’s pretty simple, we know he’s a polished passer, but the fact that he run and jumped and looked like NEWTON of all people kept him locked in at that #1 spot.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

well, then I guess we all must be dead wrong about the Colts

because after all we have heard quite a bit of chatter of teams wanting to move up to #2 in order to draft RG3, but no one talking about wanting to move up to the #1 spot to draft either Luck or RG3. I suppose if other (important) people were not taking what Irsay said at face value, then we would probably see a few offers being floated for that first pick. As it is, we only see offers floated for second pick. You would think that it would set the stage for the first pick…I mean if the Colts wanted to trade down, the offers floated for the second pick would be the absolute floor of the compensation the Colts would look to get in order to trade the first pick.

But, since everyone, not including pundits, aren’t even trying to move up to get Luck, I would suggest there is some truth to Irsay’s comments.

by Chris3 on Feb 27, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

my point: remember when Reggie Bush was supposedly going to be the #1 pick?

That’s my only point. Maybe the Colts are taking a closer look at RGIII? You just can’t trust what an NFL GM/owner is saying publicly. Besides, I don’t remember seeing a quote from Irsay stating he’s going to draft Andrew Luck. Link?

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by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

and technically his post was about "winners" and "losers"

Not risers and fallers. Similar, but not techincally the same.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Luck was bad

it’s that he went into Indianapolis as the presumed #1 pick, and left that way. No change to his status.

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I know youre not saying that he did bad.

All I’m saying is that he was one of the Winner’s at the Combine. And everyone on the NFL Network crew who covered the event agrees with that sentiment.

If you had called this post Risers and Fallers at the Combine, then I wouldn’t have added Luck into the conversation. But you called it Winners and Losers of the Combine and Luck was clearly a Winner.

RG3 would be a good counter arguement as well. He went into Indy as the presumed #2 QB and in many eyes the presumed #2 pick. So unless he supplants Luck come April, then his status is unchanged as well. They both were winners this weekend.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Kendall Wright was another Loser IMO

He ran much slower than I think most people expected.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 27, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

19 reps?

geez, I’m 37, 5’11" and 235 lbs (need to lose about 15-20), and I can put up 16 reps at 225….

by michiganpat on Feb 28, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya it has a lot of scouts questioning his work ethic

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

The smart move

The Rams will trade their pick and the Vikes will end up drafting Kalil, thank goodness, this will only help Ponder/Webb for years to come. I hope Kalil is another Ron Yary who also came from USC.

by favregasms on Feb 27, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

What about the defensive players?

Aren’t they all participating today and tomorrow? I think we’ll see the DB and DT rankings shift around a LOT, after guys put their 40 times and bench press scores on paper today. That will have major implications for us in the later rounds of the draft.

I agree with your winners list. I would add Justin Blackmon and Alshon Jeffrey to the list of losers for not even participating. I understand that Blackmon is dealing with a hamstring injury, but why wouldn’t you put your 40-time down if you could? Why wouldn’t you compete like everybody else if you could? Sure, it’s more comfortable to do that at a more familiar Pro Day, but that screams to me a distinct lack of competitive spirit. If you can’t muster up the courage and compete with everyone else, and put up your best times at the combine, what does that say about your abilities to compete when the pressure is on in hostile, unfamiliar environments every other Sunday? So, Alshon Jeffrey (who cracked several website rankings Top 20) should be in the loser camp IMO because he didn’t participate in anything.

I lose a lot of respect for guys who choose to opt out of the combine and showcase their talents at their “Pro Day”. At least do something at the combine. I mean, sure I understand if a QB wants to show off his throwing skills with players he’s comfortable with (ie, throwing at your Pro Day), but at least show up and run the 40-yard dash if you can. If not, you get an asterisk next to your name in my book that says *lacks courage.

Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.

by CCNorsemen on Feb 27, 2012 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

All I gotta say,

Is the Vikings better NOT draft A. Jeffrey…
I think we can all agree that we’ve had too many SC WR’s recently…
Troy Williamson
Sidney Rice

by Jester01 on Feb 27, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

have to agree

i too get frustrated with players not wanting to participate in certain drills during the combine. wanting to showcase their talents at home is all well and good, but they won’t be playing their pro-games at home will they? they really need to suck it up and participate in all drills. even if you don’t do well, you still have the chance to show what you have when you do have your pro-day at your school. hopefully we’ll draft kalil, and not someone that as you put it so well, “lacks courage”.
GO VIKES!!!

by indianavikesfan on Feb 28, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

agree on Hill

Kalil-Hill would be sweet — granted Hill has a little bit of risk involved in that he didn’t have many opportunities in college, but a 6’4" WR running sub-4.4 is a rarity.

what sucks is the Pats have two late 1st rdrs, and i wouldn’t be surprised if they nabbed him considering they are in need of a young, fast, RZ target. suck.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Feb 27, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Most important part

He caught every ball thrown at him. God knows we don’t need another Troy Williamson.

by Jepp The Viking on Feb 27, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

really?? nice.

sure hands — did you see that diving grab he made yesterday at the combine??

i wouldn’t mind taking a stab at Reggie Wayne in FA to go along with Percy and Jenkins, then drafting a couple young guys (Hill, plus Marvin Jones somewhere in the mid-rds) to learn the ropes behind that veteran presence.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Feb 27, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

damn

yeah, we should really consider taking him at #35 if he’s available. that playmaking ability and stretching the field will open things up for Percy (and Rudolph) across the middle.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Feb 28, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe...

I mean, we should be wary of him being a workout wonder. But if we have done our homework, and possibly grab a veteran receiver who can fill in @#1 for a year while Hill learns the ropes, I think it could work.

by Bjorno on Feb 28, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Frazier?

No. Its Spielman’s show now. Took all of one season with Frazier for Wilf to understand his ‘triangle of authority’ wasn’t going to work with Leslie as a corner.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 27, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

K. So that's fixed.

Does a coach that lost 4 SBs still have an office at Winter Park?

by fanslaststand on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

You mean Bud Grant,

living legend, winningest coach in team history, and NFL Hall of Famer? That guy?

Yeah, he does. And for my money, he can hang out at Winter Park any damn time he wants to.

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 27, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It's going to be your money soon.

But Y, whatever Bud’s been doing has been working out great. Ha!

Nah, he’s a legend. I’m just trollin around, sorry, BUT, I do think MN sports fans should be more demanding. An 0-4 SB coach is untouchable up there.

by fanslaststand on Feb 27, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Be more demanding?

Sure, we’re seeking our first SB and that is our ultimate goal, but you have to consistently have success in order to achieve that. It’s not baseball where you can just go out and buy a championship calliber team. You have to develop the team. Just because we haven’t won a SB doesn’t mean we haven’t been successful. We’ve been one of the overall winningest programs of all time(i think top-5) so its not like we’re a dumpster. We just haven’t won a SB yet. I would rather have many shots at a SB and come away empty handed then our team to win it one year and suck the rest. That’s just my opinion. Besides, a lot has to go right for a team to win the SB. Ask Aaron Rodgers about that(barely made playoffs last year; 1 and done this year after heavy favorites). Ask Tom Brady how easy it is(probably thought he’d have 5 or 6 by now)

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by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

"Sure, we’re seeking our first SB"

50 years, man. FIFF-DEE. That’s not seeking, that’s a shipwreck.
Yes, be more demanding. Vikes fans do not get out of it what they put into it. You die-hards need to be committed.
(btw, I’m just playing around. Long-time Vikes fan here. I can’t follow them year round anymore tho. Wolves are enough for me. I’d take RG3 if he’s there. Otherwise Kalil.)

by fanslaststand on Feb 27, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think you have to win the big one to be successful

I just understand as do a lot of other Vikings fan that a LOT goes into being a SB winning team. Some win with defense, others with offense, but you have to catch some breaks and you have to play your best football in the playoffs. Hell, we’re only 2 years removed from an NFCCG run. Look at all the crazy shit that happened in that game. If any one of those things(fumbles; INT; favre injured ankle; refs; etc) then we could have easily beaten Indy and won our first SB(same could be said for 98). Ifs Buts Coulda Shoulda Wouldas. I don’t care for much of that because I realize that other teams catch breaks, someday we’ll catch ours and win it all. The best teams are good year in and year out and do “little things” to get over the top and win the SB, but a team has to have the right pieces fall in place to win it.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

4 Words - Hot Air Balloon Curse

It’s not that during the 1969 season they launched an 11 year old in a hot air balloon accident to his near death….it’s that months later in the SB they tried to launch our mascot in a hot air balloon too (another crash).

That kind of thinking is something we should run away from. We’d be way better off.

by fanslaststand on Feb 27, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and I understand you're joking around

but I AM a diehard and I get a lot of value out of being a Vikings fan. You can’t have a 3-13 season and all of a sudden be standing on the edge waiting to jump off into the abyss. Like I said, only a couple seasons ago we were at the top and now towards the bottom. We still have a lot of the same players and I think it will only take a couple pieces here and there to get this team back to where it was. It’s just going to be even tougher with the rest of the division we play it. No easy Ws anymore(I’m looking at you Lions)

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Wolves???

So you’re the fan?

by Torstein on Feb 27, 2012 8:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Plenty of room for you at Target Center

After football has been banned due to head injuries.

by fanslaststand on Feb 28, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

well, the other way to look at it

is that he made it to the SB 4 more times than any other Viking Head Coach (with the Vikings, that is)

by Chris3 on Feb 27, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

What do Marv Levy and Bud Grant have in common?

They both coached their teams to multiple Grey Cups.

by fanslaststand on Feb 27, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that is true

but they were both more consistent than Ditka….and much better coaches, too.

by Chris3 on Feb 27, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

but could your toaster have built them?

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 28, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought Janoris Jenkins actually helped himself at the Combine

His problems were well documented long before he showed up to Indy, and thats pretty much all anyone wanted to talk to him about. To his credit, he did not dodge the questions and took responsibility for his actions and his situation. I thought he came across as having matured a lot since his time at Florida.

by UGAVike on Feb 27, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

If Jenkins is there with our 2nd, TAKE HIM

If he didnt have the problems off the field, he would probably be top 10. He held AJ Green in check when at Florida.

Straight Cash Homey

by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Feb 27, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Just what we need..

Another off-field troubled CB with talent..

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 27, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Janoris Jenkins wouldnt be the first player with baggage we drafted early

Percy Harvin and some guy named Moss. They were both mid to late 1st rd guys and slid more than most had them pegged to go. Im not saying we take him with #3, but if someone unexpected wants to trade up and we get a 12-24 overall pick, I’d say he’s worth it. Cleveland at #20 maybe?

Straight Cash Homey

by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Feb 27, 2012 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think Spielman will be trading back into the 1st

That’s not his style. He only trades up in a round, usually the 2nd.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Not what Im trying to say

Cleveland has #4 and #20 (or right around there). If St. Louis can’t find a trading partner and takes Kalil or Blackmon, Cleveland may trade up 1 spot so they can get RGIII. Therefore, their 20 pick may be compensation. Im not saying we will or should trade back into the 1st

Straight Cash Homey

by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Feb 27, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

If Cleveland did that...

We would probably have to give Cleveland our 3rd round pick in exchange.

by Bjorno on Feb 27, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

Maybe it’s because they’re offensive players, but Harvin and Moss seemed to have more of a reward side in the ‘risk/reward’ equation. Harvin’s stuff was overblown to begin with, and Moss had a soild mentor in CC.

With all the other help the Vikings need, I would think that if they managed to get a mid to late first rounder they could get players with just as much reward potential with 1/50th of the risk that Jenkins brings.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 27, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Donatari Poe blows up.

He ran a 5.87 in the 40, and 44 reps in the BP.

by emeyenburg on Feb 27, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

5.87 Lol

Gilbert Brown could probably do that

Straight Cash Homey

by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Feb 27, 2012 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

LOL...backwards

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by Ted Glover on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the shout out Ted!

Now I have to come up with something.

I am not convinced the Skins will make that “reported” deal (by a ex-sports talk host from Philly no less). The media is blowing this way out of proportion IMO. They are claiming that you should throw out the trade chart because it is RG3 and Atlanta did it last year.

Well no Atlanta did not do it last year. They gave up #26 (700 points), #59 (310 points), #124 (49 points), and their 2012 1st #22 (780 points) and 2012 4th #118 (58 points) for the #6 pick (1600 points). Even if you counted the points for this year as is it is only a difference of 197 points.

It does not matter though. I think that it is in the best interests of the Vikings for Spielman to make a statement i n the media that other teams can get a better deal from the Vikings if they want RG3. That is what I would do. He should try and undercut the Rams.

But let’s just say that a team will move up to #2 to remove all doubt. The Vikings could still trade out of the #3 spot. There could be a team that really wants Kalil and maybe Spielman was not kidding when he said that having a top tackle is not essential. Just an OK tackle will be fine if you have enough weapons.

I have some things I can come up with that is for sure. But they may not be popular.

I do believe a 40 to 45 percent turnover is in order though.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 27, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I caught that "playmaker" part of Spielman's narrative

Do we need any more playmakers?

Harvin, Allen, AP, Williams, and Greenway are proven playmakers, with Gerhardt and Rudolph possibles.

Playmakers sell tickets, but guys like Kalil get wins.

by liveforadrenaline on Feb 27, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say we need some more playmakers, yeah.

Considering that AP is not going to be up to full speed to start the year, Harvin is our only threat in the passing game, and Greenway didn’t look as proven last year.

But Kalil would help out the O-line so much. We’d practically get two picks for the price of one.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 28, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

We need playmakers

I just think you all are looking at the wrong side of the ball. Pick up Kalil, then find play makers on defense other than our defensive ends we have absolutely no one that makes big plays on defense, hell half of our defense don’t even make average plays. So second round look for a CB or a MLB I think that would be a much better use of our pick.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 28, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I would die happy

If I heard over and over for the next couple of decades the word “interception” as it relates to the Vikings defense.

It’s been a while…

by liveforadrenaline on Feb 28, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I have some things I can come up with that is for sure. But they may not be popular.
I do believe a 40 to 45 percent turnover is in order though.

like trading jared allen, adrian peterson and christian ponder to indy for andrew luck?
that sounds like an interesting fanpost ;).

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on the Allen trade

He is the only chip the team has to use to get really good extra picks

by MarkSP18 on Feb 27, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

REALLY?!?!?

“Do we need any more playmakers?”

The vikings finished 3-13. Do we need more playmakers?!?! Thats like asking if pinocchio has a wooden third leg………..OF COURSE HE DOES!!! Do we need any more playermakers!! OF COURSE WE DO!

Dont take that the wrong way but….3-13 record speaks for itself.

However without a O-Line that includes Kalil those playmakers wont have time to develop with Ponder on his back 90% of the time

by B Animal on Feb 27, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Fair enough

Everyone wants to boil it down to OL or Skill Player. It’s simple. We need both.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Not saying we don't

But I think we can get a playmaker WR in free agency and still get Kalil in the draft.

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.

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Off Tackle Empire

by Ted Glover on Feb 27, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

The WR class of FA is stacked. Lots of #2 types along with the studs (VJax, Colston, DeSean Jax, maybe Bowe)

Straight Cash Homey

by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Feb 27, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they're all a waste of $$$

How about we find our own Colston in the draft? (draft McNutt!)

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Feb 27, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Jenkins

If he was there in the 2nd round, even with his baggage, he is worth the risk. He’s a top 15 talent.

As for Andrew Luck being “static” I think that downplays how well he did at the combine. His numbers were very similar to Cam Newton’s last year and those got everyone in a tizzy. For a guy that’s not really considered an “athletic QB”, he represented himself extremely well.

by Cobra312004 on Feb 27, 2012 10:49 PM CST reply actions  

This is a win-win for Vikings

Either Rams trade out of #2 pick and we get our Left Tackle of the future and beyond or the Rams stay in the #2 spot, pick up the LT and then we can draft RG3 :-)

by TC Mooch on Feb 28, 2012 7:24 AM CST reply actions  

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