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Your Minnesota Vikings All Time Draft, Round 1

So with the combine winding down and two weeks until free agency, I thought it might be kind of fun to do an all time Vikings draft. So over the next week or so, what we're going to do is look at some of the more notable players that the Vikings have ever drafted in each round, give you a little bit of info about them, and then we'll decide as a community what our all time Vikings draft class will be.

I started looking at this a little bit last night, and the first round is going to be a bear. A grizzly bear. A grizzly bear with teeth and claws. And it's not going to get much easier after that. So get your GM caps on and look over the scouting reports, because Daily Norseman...YOU'RE ON THE CLOCK! Each former pick will be listed, followed by the year in which the Vikings drafted them in chronological order.

WIth the the first pick in the Minnesota Vikings All Time Draft, your list of candidates are:

Carl Eller, 1964: Carl Eller was an All American out of the University of Minnesota, and was a first round draft pick by not only the Vikings, but also by the Buffalo Bills of the AFL. He went on to anchor the Purple People Eaters until 1978, played in four Super Bowls, was a first or second team All Pro from 1967-1973, and at the end of his career, from 1975-77, he recorded 44 sacks. Eller was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2004.

Alan Page, 1967: The Vikings had three first round picks in 1967, and they used the last of those to draft Page, a fierce defensive tackle that was one of the most disruptive interior linemen in NFL history. His playing weight was a ridiculous 225-235 pounds...as a defensive tackle, but he was lightning quick, and you'll see many an old highlight reel where Page is in the backfield almost as fast as the center can snap the ball back to the quarterback. He was the first defensive player to win the NFL MVP award, and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1988.

Ron Yary, 1968: If there was a key to the success of the Vikings in the late 1960's and '70's, it's because of the remarkable players they had on both the offensive and defensive lines. The Purple People Eaters get most of the press between the two units, but Ron Yary was just as good a tackle that has ever played. He won the starting RT job in his second year and stayed there until 1981. He was an All-Pro from 1970-1977, played in four Super Bowls, and only missed two games in his entire career. Yary was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2001.

Star-divide

Chuck Foreman, 1973: Foreman was one of the most electric players to ever play for the Vikings, but he was also a bulldog that was able to run between the tackles for tough yards. He was the NFL rookie of the year in 1973, and became a key component in the early version of the West Coast offense that Jerry Burns introduced into the NFL. Foreman set NFL records for receptions by a running back in 1975 with 73, ran for 13 TD's, and caught another 9 more. He ran for over 1,000 yards from 1975-1977 during the 14 game era when 1,000 yards really meant something. Had knee injuries not cut his career short, his career path could have very well landed him in Canton.

'Two Minute' Tommy Kramer, 1977: Why did I love Tommy Kramer? Because in every post game interview he ever did he had the biggest dip a man could get in his lower lip, spit into a cup, and tell everyone that he 'just took wut the defense gave us'. He was maddeningly inconsistent and streaky, but when he was on, oh...my...Lord. He had a knack for driving the field to win in the last two minutes of the game, but the reason he had to do that is because he threw three picks in the first 58 minutes that caused the Vikes to be down by 6 in the first place. Still love the guy, though.

Joey Browner, 1983: Remember when the Vikings had a secondary that was feared and respected? You don't? That's too bad, because Joey Browner was one of the main reasons. From 1987 until about 1990, Browner was considered in the same breath as Ronnie Lott as among the best safeties in the league. Browner hit like a truck, could intercept a pass, finishing with 37 career picks, and had the coolest facemask ever. I tried to get that facemask when I played in high school, but we didn't have it. I was going to put the year he was inducted into the Vikings Ring of Honor here, but stunningly, he hasn't been. That needs to change.

Chris Doleman, 1985: If ever the word 'beast' fit a guy, it's Doleman. He was strong, fast off the edge, the complete package for a defensive end. Until late last year he held the Vikings single season sack record, and was the rush end tandem with Keith Millard, probably the best tackle-end combo in team history, at least for a two or three year period in the late 1980's. In 1989, the year Dleman had his 21 sacks, Millard had 18. Holy and crap. But even after Millard got hurt, Doleman was still a force, ending up with 150.5 sacks, fourth all time. He was elected to the Hall of Fame just a few weeks ago.

Randall McDaniel, 1988: McDaniel was a flat out stud from the moment he came into the league, setting an NFL record by going to 12 straight Pro Bowls. He started 202 consecutive games, and was an instrumental part in Robert Smith becoming the all time Vikings rusher. He was never a 'look at me' guy, and I was lucky enough to interview him in 2010--very personable, good guy. But on the field, he'd kick your ass for 60 minutes. McDaniel was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2009.

Randy Moss, 1998: For some of you younger fans, Moss is probably your initial choice, and I although the 'get off my lawn' old guy in me usually shakes his head at the impudence of youth, I would have a hard time faulting you for picking him over Hall of Famers Eller, Yary, McDaniel, and Doleman. Moss was a pain in the ass off the field, but was something close to poetry on it. His athleticism, speed, hands, and ability to stay in bounds would be hard to believe if I didn't witness what he did with my own eyes. If ever the total athletic package played wide receiver, it was in the form of Randy Moss, and you have to think that he will end up in Canton one day.

Daunte Culpepper, 1999: Daunte Culpepper lead the Vikings to the NFC Championship game in his first year as a starter in 2000, had an MVP caliber season in 2004 while leading the Vikings to an upset victory over Green Bay in Lambeau during the playoffs, and is probably considered one of the top two or three quarterbacks in team history. But Culpepper had a fair amount of critics while in Minnesota--he fumbled too much, he threw too many picks, whatever. I thought DC was a good quarterback while he was here, and had that ghastly knee injury in Carolina not happened, he might have set every team passing record there is.

Kevin Williams, 2003: Williams has been a force on the Vikings interior line for a decade, and formed one half of the Williams Wall, along with DT Pat Williams. That wall was almost impossible to run against for about four years, and Williams has been one of the best interior pass rushers in the league from almost the moment he was drafted. He is still going strong in 2012, and will receive strong consideration from the folks at Canton when his playing days are done.

Adrian Peterson, 2007: If Randy Moss was a receiving poet, Peterson is speed metal rock. He reminds me in so many ways of Walter Payton--violent at the point of attack, but fast enough to slip outside and outrun everyone. He has a second gear (and hopefully will again) that makes him difficult to catch from behind, and had it not been for his late season knee injury, would have had well over 1,000 yards in his first five seasons. He's just a handful of yards behind Robert Smith as the team's all time rushing leader, and has 64 rushing TD's in his career.

So, there you have it. Who are you going to pick? You have multiple Hall of Famers, stalwarts on both lines, good quarterbacks, a receiver, and a running back you could all build your team around.

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WIth the first pick in the All Time Minnesota Vikings NFL Draft, The First Round Pick is:
Carl Eller, DE
105 votes
Ron Yary, OT
70 votes
Chuck Foreman, RB
39 votes
Tommy Kramer, QB
13 votes
Joey Browner, S
26 votes
Randy Moss, WR
306 votes
Chris Doleman, DE
63 votes
Randall McDaniel, OG
91 votes
Kevin Williams, DT
9 votes
Daunte Culpepper, QB
8 votes
Adrian Peterson, RB
532 votes
Alan Page, DT
332 votes

1594 votes | Poll has closed

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Question:

If someone on this list isn’t drafted in the 1st round, are they eligible to be drafted in later rounds, or do we assume that “other teams” in this draft snatched them up?

In the 2nd round, are we only going to consider those players that were actually drafted in the 2nd round?

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

No, not eligible to be drafted in later rounds

And yes, we’re just going to consider players that were actually drafted in that particular round

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

One more

I also assume we’re drafting for the NFL as it is today? Rather than, “who is best during his era” kind of thing?

I’d probably go with Ron Yary based on era, but if it’s today’s NFL, then I gotta go Culpepper, because it’s a QB-driven league now.

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take RIce over Culpepper

I’m under the impression that most of Culpeppers success was more about the surrounding players than it was his ability.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 28, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Kramer graduated out of Rice, if memory serves

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by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct and thats where I screwed up

Met Tommy out at Gramma Bs during a lunch and lingerie show back in 79. What a blast.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 29, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

You'd pick Tommy 'pass me another' Kramer?

I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he’s worse than Culpepper, but even though I was a kid at the time that guy used to make me want to yank my hair out with the way he played.

Man it’s been to long since we had a great QB playing for this team.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 29, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Tark is going to be available in the third round. Wouldn’t you wait for him?

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

But if we can assume that (in our fantasy draft land) that Culpepper doesn’t have a knee injury and is able to play a full and complete 10-15 year career as a Viking…he might have surpassed Tarkenton as the #1 QB in team history. If we assume that we get the Culpepper with a knee injury, then yeah, we should wait for Tarkenton.

But, I think it’s worth it to take the upside of Culpepper without a knee injury, because he showed enough in 5-6 years as a Viking that he would have easily out-played Tarkenton.

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

No, never

Culpepper started his declined before his knee got shredded. It was becoming painfull obvious that he wasn’t that great of a QB, but more that Moss made him look really good and Culpepper had a really strong arm. He didn’t have the anticipation to play the position. A person would have to be open for him to throw to them allowing the defense time to react and make a play on the ball. Plus, he fumbled all the time. Culpepper over the person who made him: moss? Nah, Culpepper, IMO, is dead last on that list. Culpepper as a QB is about the equivalent of Bobby Wade as a WR, not relevent.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I gotta agree

Culpepper is the last guy out of that group I would pick.

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

What?!

We can debate what Culpepper would’ve become, and how good he was or wasn’t, but to say that he started his decline before he hurt his knee is just incorrect, DM. Pep shredded his knee in 2005, in week 4 or 5 agains t Carolina.

He had his best year ever in 2004. The talk in the NFL was that had Peyton Manning not been Peyton Manning, DC would’ve won the MVP in ’04.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

and yes Ted, DC would have been MVP(w/out Manning's great season)

but he wasn’t even the most valuable on our team. Moss was.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Lazy...but not film room junkie

If these are true…then probably not Pep

by Mike S on Feb 28, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch your feet! Droppin' some knowledge here!

completions 139
attempts 216
completion 64.4% (I admit that’s solid)
yards 1564
TD 6
INT 12!!!!!!!!!
QB Rating 72.0

These are Culpepper’s stats without Randy Moss. He is a below average QB who had arguably the greatest WR of all time to throw to making him look good.
I’ll put it this way. If we are playing football in the backyard, I would pick Culpepper first because he has a strong arm and for all the dislike I have in him, he was accurate. The problem I have with DC is that he was not a PROFESSIONAL football player in the NFL where the big boys play. You can’t just have a strong, accurate arm. My next argument goes something like blah blah Jamarcus blah blah Russell. If we’ve learned anything over the years its that you can’t just physically be a QB, you have to mentally as well. Even in his best year, Culpepper never was that, IMO. Bad example, but Brady came back from a knee injury and has had success. Where is Daunte? Why no success? Was he that reliable on his legs? No, he just wasn’t a very good QB with an outstanding cast around him to help him out.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember that

Once Randy was gone, C-Pep was uncovered as being an erratic QB. They were a helluva combo together, but there’s no question that the Freak covered C-Pep’s tail.

I was as sad as anyone when he got injured, but I don’t think he was ever HoF quality, and he never did anything that redefined the QB position. He was never at Tarkenton’s level.

Ah, ah,
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From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
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by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I certainly wasn't sad or anything when he got injured

I felt for the guy because he seriously got his knee shredded and no one should have to go through that, but even though we have been a wreck at QB since then(sans Favre), I knew he wasn’t going to contribute to a winning team without some serious weapons around him. Its simple to me: Moss is IMO the greatest deep threat to step in the NFL. Culpepper had a very strong arm. Put those together = Match made in heaven.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Those stats above are from the first 7 games of that season

DC only had a few attempts in week 7 so its mostly weeks 1-6 that season.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess I don't see the knee as the real limit on Dante's career

It didn’t help, but I think his ultimate problem was decision making, which he didn’t have to do much of when he could just chuck it to Randy.

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You've persuaded me

As I said below, if we’re drafting like Madden or something, you want to do one of two things: fill out your interior lines, or grab your franchise QB. Based on the list, it’s kind of weak in both of those areas. So, the other strategy is just simple BPA. In that case, for me, it’s between Moss and AP. I’ll take AP because he doesn’t have any quit in him, and he has no off-the-field issues. Both are elite guys at their position, and while you can maybe make a case that RBs are a dime-a-dozen, AP has the talent and pure athleticism to make that argument void.

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The big question remains between AP and Moss: Which helps the offense score more points?

I love AP(AD) and I love Moss, but I’ll go with Moss. Let’s break down some of what they both bring to the table.

Moss: Let’s face it. Chicks dig the long ball so chicks dig Moss. He was a threat to score EVERY play no matter if it was 1, 2, or 3 defenders assigned to him. He was bigger, faster, outleaper, and unstoppabler. Defenses couldn’t figure him out and when they did slow him down it was few and far between.

AP: Stud, workhorse, 150000% effort every day ALLday, but I have to be honest. AP can be slowed and in some cases even completely stopped. Sure, defense have to put 7 or 8 in the box ALLday to avoid having AD blow up on them, but that can stop him and as we’ve seen the past few years, doesn’t always equate to scoring points. Hell, even if AP is running well, doesn’t mean we’ll score. I’ve seen too many times on the last few years that AP has 100+ rushing games and we don’t win the game because its runs of: 1, 4, -2, -1, 0, 5, 7, 1, -3, -1, 18, 3, 2, 5, -2, 0, 0, 35…..ETC….Even if he’s breaking for 35 yds on a play, doesn’t mean its equating to points. The reason the running game is great to have especially in the playoffs because its about keeping possession of the football and keeping your offense in 3rd and short, but that doesn’t work if you’re getting 0 or less on over 50% of your carries. It doesn’t help you move the chains. That’s why homerun hitters at RB can be overrated. Chris Johnson ran for over 2000yards in a season!!!!!!! Didn’t they only win like 6 games? What’s wrong with that picture? The point is that having a RB that falls forward and picks up positive yardage on EVERY play makes the team better and allows you to score more POINTS because you’ll maintain drives.
If we’re getting these players in their prime, I go with Moss

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

7 in the box is base defense

AP sees a ton of 8 guys in the box, which is one extra defender, and at times more than that (yes, I counted 9 in the box against us at times this year).

But on the team that has Tark (coming up in the third round), the defense is going to have to open up a lot.

No receiver has the same kind of effect on how the other team plays defense.

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Moss had an effect

On how the defense would play. The safety never got near the box when Moss was in his prime. If a defense put 8 or 9 in the box it would be an easy TD to Moss.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 28, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't do that though.

The reason I go with Moss is because you can’t consistently put 3 guys on him or else you’re going to consistently leave a WR/TE/RB completely uncovered. You can put 2, but he’ll beat them or he’ll blow the top off the defense and allow whatever RB we have to have success.

With AP, you can start anywhere from 7-9 in the box, but its always a “team defense” that attacks a RB. Its not a 1on1 or 2on1 defense against the player. Moss is better against double teams than AP is against 8 in the box, IMO so I take him.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you

But I’d rather have 11 guys worried about the RB than 2-3 worried about a WR.

by amiller92 on Feb 29, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

That sounds like a big benefit but its not

We’ve already seen plenty of times that teams can gameplan around AP and stop him if they commit to it(and assuming they had adequate personnel too) Does that open up the field for a QB to have open targets downfield, you would think, but why hasn’t our offense been lighting up the scoreboard since drafting AP. Sure he’s awesome, but compared to the Freak? I can’t rationalize it. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree or disagree or whatever that saying.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 29, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure why it's weak

On the interior lines. McDaniel was an absolutely beast (and a HOF of course) and Williams is no slouch either.

But I came out with AP too.

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It was awesome watching the "highlights" of McDaniel

He would just stand there and pass block, not even moving his feet. Dude was a freak!

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell yes.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 29, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Got to be Moss

It sucks he wasn’t with Minnesota his entire career, but if you’re looking for BPA in the first round of this draft, its got to be Moss. Best recieving talent of all-time.

Just a shame he never fully used it.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 28, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

+1

Just like fantasy football. You have to find your value. Those other guys are all studs, but we can find a RB elsewhere that can get the job done. We can fine linemen/QB/whoever later in the draft. It’s not going to get any better than Moss. He’s a part of the #1 and #2 greatest offensive team seasons of all time. There’s a reason for that: Moss.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

But for me, BPA is Adrian Peterson.

If it’s like Madden franchise mode draft, then you’ve got to draft your stud interior guys first (OL and DL), but outside of Ron Yary and maybe Kevin Williams, we don’t really have a lot of guys like that. We could grab our franchise QB in the 1st too, but if we assume that we get the Culpepper with a knee injury, then we can wait for Tarkenton. If we get the Culpepper without a knee injury, then I’d be inclined to go with DC as our franchise QB, because we won’t get another one outside of Tarkenton in any other round.

But, if we go with pure BPA (which I think we sort of have to), it comes down to Moss or AP. It’s a tough choice. I think I’d have to go with AP, just so we don’t have deal with the off-field stuff, and the occasional quitting. All Day baby.

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Really tough decision here.

But I went with Joey Browner because he was one of my all time favorites. On the rare occasion he didn’t pop the opponent right out of his shoes, he was always at the foot of the play as if to say “you are NOT going to get by me chump.” Awful hard not to go with Moss or McDaniel though. Man we’ve had some awful good players.

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by abba7 on Feb 28, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I select

Fran Tarkenton! Where in the hell is he?!

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by Landonio on Feb 28, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Ohhh I see now.

Just first round picks. Noooow I understand. In that case, you are mine AP!

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by Landonio on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Took me a minute to get that as well Landonio.

But cool Tarkington fact –

Tarkenton, 21, played his first National Football League game (and the Vikings’ first game) against the Chicago Bears and led the Vikings to a victory by passing for 250 yards and four touchdown passes as the upstarts stunned the Bears 37–13.

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by abba7 on Feb 28, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Find me a grizzly bear with no teeth or claws

And I’m willing to wrestle it.

Okay. Not really.

by amiller92 on Feb 28, 2012 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

What about Walk-ons???

We need to be able to Sign John Randle after the draft is over !!!!

(Awesome idea by the way… all time Viking draft. Thumbs up!)

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by Admiral BigGun on Feb 28, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

AD

this is tough….since we are are doing an ‘all time’ draft, im going 2 assume we aren’t playing in the current era, where the passing game rules.

that said, I take AD because it wasn’t all that long ago when a running game won u games…the dudes a flat out monster/cyborg (or maybe a monster-cyborg hybrid?) and on my mind has the ability to be the best back the nfl has ever seen. biased? ya I am but regardless the man is talented

by RedHat16 on Feb 28, 2012 12:05 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

No Robert Smith, Alan Page?

Are we looking to fill a roster? If so there could be some stagy involved. BTW I went with Eller. Old school I guess. That line was the best.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 28, 2012 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

How the hell did I miss Alan Page??

I don’t know, but I’ll fix. As to Robert Smith, well, I figured he would be the third option between Foreman, AP, and him.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

My bad on that

I was just scanning down the list, and I didn’t even notice that the Vikes had three first rounders in ’67.

Apologies all around.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, no kidding.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just about to remind you. My vote’s for Page.

by Birdman84 on Feb 28, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I went Moss

Easily the best WR of all time talent wise.


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by y2jayjk on Feb 28, 2012 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

Hey Ted

I’ve been working on an “All Vikings Era” fanpost, but work is getting in the way and I’ve had to delay finishing it. It is a very similar project to this one, but it is where I fill out an entire roster with the Viking’s best players history. There is sure to be some controversy as it’s not as cut and dry as it might seem. I’m finished with the offensive side of the ball, but have yet to start on the defense.

But, I’m watching these posts with interest!

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Oh yeah

It would be cool to note all of the Vikings first round draft picks. Maybe list of the lesser name players at the bottom for the Troy Williams’ of the world? You know, just so we can point and laugh.

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 28, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Good idea

When I do the recap, I don’t know that I’ll list all of the picks, but I’ll list some notable ’didn’t make it’ guys, and some notable ‘Demetrious Underwood’ type guys as well.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings First round picks

YEAR SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2011 12 Christian Ponder QB Florida State
2010 No Pick —
2009 22 Percy Harvin WR Florida
2008 No Pick —
2007 7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
2006 17 Chad Greenway LB Iowa
2005 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
2005 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2004 20 Kenechi Udeze DE USC
2003 9 Kevin Williams DE Oklahoma State
2002 7 Bryant McKinnie T Miami (Fla.)
2001 27 Michael Bennett RB Wisconsin
2000 25 Chris Hovan DT Boston College
1999 11 Daunte Culpepper QB Central Florida
1999 29 Dimitrius Underwood DE Michigan State
1998 21 Randy Moss WR Marshall
1997 20 Dwayne Rudd LB Alabama
1996 16 Duane Clemons LB California
1995 11 Derrick L. Alexander DE Florida State
1995 24 Korey Stringer T Ohio State
1994 18 Dewayne Washington CB North Carolina State
1994 19 Todd Steussie T California
1993 21 Robert Smith RB Ohio State
1992 No Pick —
1991 No Pick —
1990 No Pick —
1989 No Pick —
1988 19 Randall McDaniel G Arizona State
1987 14 D.J. Dozier RB Penn State
1986 14 Gerald Robinson DE Auburn
1985 4 Chris Doleman DE Pittsburgh
1984 13 Keith Millard DT Washington State
1983 19 Joey Browner DB USC
1982 7 Darrin Nelson RB Stanford
1981 No Pick —
1980 9 Doug Martin DE Washington
1979 16 Ted Brown RB North Carolina State
1978 21 Randy Holloway DE Pittsburgh
1977 27 Tommy Kramer QB Rice
1976 25 James White DT Oklahoma State
1975 25 Mark Mullaney DE Colorado State
1974 17 Fred McNeill LB UCLA
1974 25 Steve Riley T USC
1973 12 Chuck Foreman RB Miami (Fla.)
1972 10 Jeff Siemon LB Stanford
1971 24 Leo Hayden RB Ohio State
1970 25 John Ward G Oklahoma State
1969 No Pick —
1968 1 Ron Yary T USC
1967 2 Clint Jones RB Michigan State
1967 8 Gene Washington WR Michigan State
1967 15 Alan Page DT Notre Dame
1966 Jerry Shay DT Purdue
1965 Jack Snow WR Notre Dame
1964 Carl Eller DE Minnesota
1963 No Pick —
1962 No Pick —
1961 1 Tommy Mason RB Tulane

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 28, 2012 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, we've actually had some pretty good success in the 1st round

I would say easily about 75% of those were very solid. Close to 20% could/should be HOFers. (no, i didn’t actually do the math, don’t feel like it, just took a glance)

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah we'd have a real good start

To filling out a roster with just the first round picks.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 28, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Has to be AP

Eller, Moss and Williams were close but AP may be the most talented ever at his position, ditto to Moss. But AP has that whole “I try hard” thing going for him.

by A'sIN on Feb 28, 2012 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

I understand your point

But the point for Moss (for me anyways) is that he’s been on the #1 and #2 offenses in the history of the NFL. How many people can say that? ZERO. He doesn’t just change how you defend the offense, he changes the damn scoreboard. He directly influences massive amounts of points on offense. He would make Leroy Hoard look like AP. AP is a stud, believe me, but if I’m starting a team, I’ll go with Moss, that is if I want to win and score tons of points and cause defensive coordinator heart attacks.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Persuasive argument

Seriously, I forgot he was on the TWO most prolific offenses in history. I remember ’98, but I keep forgetting how unstoppable he made the Pats look a few years later.

Damn.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to point this out

But how many championships did Moss help either team win? None of the players on the list have, unfortunately, but Peterson still has time to accomplish that.

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by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Trying to measure Vikings players by championships won is only going to end in heartbreak. You can be a great player without winning a Super Bowl.

by Birdman84 on Feb 28, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I never said Moss isn't a great player

I’m just saying that for all the points he helped score, he never won the big one. So I would not use the points scored angle as the basis of an arguement to pick Moss above the others on this list.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Which achievements should or should not be dismissed when they didn’t end in a Super Bowl win? Should Page’s MVP not count? What about Tarkenton’s records?

It becomes silly pretty quickly. By being a significant contributor to two historically great offenses, Moss accomplished something the others did not. That counts. Other players have accomplished things Moss has not. Those count too. If we limit greatness to “that which was achieved in a Super Bowl winning season”, this entire discussion will be pointless.

by Birdman84 on Feb 28, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Youre looking at my comment wrong

I stated that none of the players won a ring while in Minnesota. I was simply trying to offer a an alternative point of view about the criteria used to determine who to vote for. Moss was great. But a lot of people are still enamored with his rookie season in 1998. They forget all the other headaches that he cause while he was in Minnesota. Ultimately he was traded away because he became a headcase. If we were judging on talent alone, or points scored alone, then yes Moss is a no brainer. I was simply trying to be more objective than that.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

What could be more objective than points scored?

What’s the job of the offense? Score points? YUP. Not saying AP doesn’t help the offense score points, but when compared to Moss? Not even close.

Seasons with AP(Team points NFL rank)
2007 (15)
2008 (12)
2009 (2)
2010 (29)
2011 (19)

Moss(its astonishing really):
98 (1)
99 (5)
00 (5)
01 (24)
02 (8)
03 (6)
04 (6)

This doesn’t take into account wins, defense, playoffs, or anything else. Sure, it doesn’t look at the rest of the offense either. Obviously we were very good in ’09 with Favre at QB and a legit WR in Rice that season, but overall, the moral of the story is that if you want your offense to score(do their job) then its better to have Randy Moss on your team. Besides, if I took into account team wins/success, I think Moss would still be winning(despite not having much of a defense those seasons he was here and AP having arguably one of the best defenses for a few seasons)

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

We disagree, no problem

If I was building a team I would take AP, you would take Moss. I had a Moss jersey back in the day, but at the end of the day I am building my team around a player that I can count on, not one who plays when he wants to.

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--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If character/effort is your criteria then that's fine. Can't argue with that.

AP has been a stand up dude since he walked through the door. Moss has been a headache for every team he’s ever been on except for maybe the Titans because he wasn’t there long enough.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 29, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Not my only criteria

But it does count for me.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen

by NMVike on Feb 29, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Keith Millard should be on the list

But I’d still vote for AP.

"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
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by NMVike on Feb 28, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

I went with my heart

My head said Eller, Page, Yary, Doleman, McDaniel, or Peterson, in no particular order. But I couldn’t make up my mind, so I went with my heart. Joey Browner has a special place in my Vikings heart. So I voted for him.

by dumdristig on Feb 28, 2012 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

Page should win.

But he won’t, because defensive tackle isn’t a “sexy” position and he isn’t a recent player.

by Birdman84 on Feb 28, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

And he was added way late

Page would be in second and might be giving AP a run in this. Very good considering most the voters probably weren’t even around when he was playing.

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 29, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Joey Browner is not on the ring of fame???

Man, that’s gotta be fixed – and soon! But I voted for Carl Eller. He was a serious bad mother – before Shaft and he played every down and every game. He was an unstoppable force and I’ve read that if they kept the Sack stat back when he played he would have been right at the top.

Hard to go wrong with any of these guys though.

by Torstein on Feb 28, 2012 2:34 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Alan Page

Alan Page because he worked hard every play…I know that him and Bud had a fall out but with just 1 Super Bowl ring he may be considered the best DL of all time. Personally, and I’m sure the rest of you do, he probably is the best of all time. However, with the pass happy league…I’m gonna have to go with Joey Browner….unless…UNLESS…Alan Page is able to slip through the o-line like he did in the past. Then again our division opponents have no impressive offensive line and have no beast for running backs that Alan would need to be the difference. Joey Browner could cover Megatron by himself and fly at Matt Forte and probably powerbomb the guy on a screen or even blitz from the outside to throw Rodgers of his rhythm. Joey Browner needs to be in the Ring of Honor and the Hall of Fame.

Chuck Foreman was used TOO much. I love the guy but I don’t believe the guy should’ve been on the field when the team was ahead by 14. Just my opinion. Looking at the past is always 20/20.

Looking back on the most important #1 pick in Vikings history … probably Alan Page…who would I pick for 2012 season? Joey Browner due to the fact he could lay out any back and cover any receiver. As Steve Jordan put it, “Joey Browner was all-world.”

by Mike S on Feb 28, 2012 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

I agree - its gotta be Alan Page

Page could take over a game from the DT position. He was often unblockable. Eller and Marshall were already there with the Vikes but they did not become the Purple People Eaters until Page arrived. For oldtimers, the identity of the Minnesota Vikings has always been the defensive line and our franchise has a great lineage of Defensive talent. The ’69 defense gave up only 133 points, less than 10 points a game. We had winning seasons with a craptastic offense led by the likes of QB Gary Quozzo.

My favorite player was Tommy Kramer – loved the swagger as he walked up to center. But I’ve never seen anyone like Alan Page.

by Caretaker QB on Feb 28, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Page on defense. Moss on Offense

Page was 1st defensive player to win league MVP. He was the one player on that defense the other teams specifically game planned for and feared. The same situation for Moss on offense. Defenses feared him. Both were physical freaks at their positions.

by JM67 on Feb 28, 2012 3:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Ron Yary or Alan Page and it is not even close

AP and Moss? Please.

They have not done diddly compared to Page or Yary.

AP could be done as far as making the Pro Bowl. Moss did some here and more elsewhere.

While I love both players there is now way in hell that they are/or were better for the Vikings than Alan Page or Ron Yary.

I am leaning towards Yary because of the importance the tackle position.

There is a reason why the Vikings were dominating in the 70’s.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 28, 2012 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

I dunno..

Moss pretty much blew apart all the rookie-records for a reciever when he bust into the NFL.

Then you add in he is the single-season recieving TD holder (while being in his 30s).

And finally, was a large part of the NFLs two most proliffic offenses.

That’s hard to top. If he’d given full effort his entire career.. He’d be an undeniable legend across all sports. We’re talking Jordan-esque.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 28, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think their 70s dominance was the Purple People People Eaters and Met homefield advantage.

There were some lean years on offense and still we made the play-offs. One game we beat Green Bay 3-0 and our own offense barely mustered 100 yards.

by Caretaker QB on Feb 28, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

But that was the exception, not the rule

And remember, the rules were set up for a defense to have success more so than the offense. When Tarkenton came back in ’72, the Vikings had a very good offense, especially after they drafted Chuck Foreman.

And although the Purple People Eaters get a lionshare of the press, the Vikings have just as many Hall of Famers or should be Hall of Famers on the offensive line (Yary, Ed White, and Mick Tingelhoff should) as the defensive line does (Page, Eller, Jim Marshall should).

They were really good units on both sides of the ball.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Gary Zimmerman

was a tackle in the 80’s. Do you mean Gary Larsen, the defensive tackle from the Purple People Eaters?

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

wrong decade

Sorry – I was just referring to another all time great OL but I see you were only talking about the 70’s. I completely agree with you that through the years the Vikes have had as many great OL as DL – but they get over shadowed by how flashy the DL has been.

by Torstein on Feb 29, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we put Jared Allen on this list?

The Vikings gave up a first round pick (and then some) for him.

by vking1 on Feb 28, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Alan Page

The greatest defensive tackle to ever play for the Vikings. He beat out Roger Staubach for the league MVP in 1971 and that was in Roger’s first Championship season. All of you youngsters out there missed a real treat seeing this man redefine the defensive tackle position and wreak havoc on opposing quaterbacks in the league in the late 60’s well into the 70’s. I still remember as a kid seeing the Vikes on TV at the old Met and Alan snorting like a raging bull in sub-freezing temps. The guy was a true beast and showed up to play every game. The team needs more of his type today.

by purplegrey on Feb 28, 2012 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I remember him getting called for a personal foul against the Lions that put Detroit inside the Viking 10 then having 3 successive tackles for loss that pushed them out of FG range. He could just take over a game.

by Caretaker QB on Feb 28, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No one, and I mean no one.....

was as fast off the snap of the ball as Page. On numerous occasions, he was tackling the RB just as he was handed the ball in the backfield. Page was the key for that defense. There was no need for blitzing by the back seven. They were quick to the ball, the QB was pressured often, the LBs were disciplined, and the secondary focused on their assignments. Page’s play translated into Krause’s many picks.

by Mel Allen on Feb 28, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I was around to see those guys play and get a look at where the franchise that I love was truly born at.

Can’t say I haven’t been blessed with JA, Doleman, Randle, KWill, and other disruptive forces that I would assumed did the elder Norsemen proud.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Put it this way......

when it was third and long for the opposing team, the punter was warming up.

by Mel Allen on Feb 28, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather put it this way...

When Moss was on the field, the opposing team’s kick returner started warming up.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 29, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I was drawing a contrast...

between that D and the more recent versions.

by Mel Allen on Feb 29, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

What about picking an all time all NFL team?

Page is probably the only Viking with a chance to make it.

by JM67 on Feb 28, 2012 6:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I dunno

Yary has a shot.

Jerry Rice lined up for the WCO while Moss goes deep. No one could beat Moss deep. No one.

Watching Paul Krauss, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone play better and pick off more passes.

And Fred Cox, just because he invented the nerf football when playing for the Vikings ;)

by liveforadrenaline on Feb 28, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough choices

Really tough.

I went with a very non-sexy choice; Randall McDaniel. I was really tempted to go with Page, but I guess my mind is on the O-line these days. If it were Fantasy Football, Moss would have to be the pick.

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by DCPurple on Feb 28, 2012 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

Having seen all of them play.....

it is too difficult to make a clear choice. The problem lies in the fact that there is not one that was instrumental in leading his team to the championship. To me, that would be what would set him apart.
If there was a loaded pistol to my head, I would have to go with Page, who was the heart and soul of the PPE defense.

by Mel Allen on Feb 28, 2012 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

Doleman was better than Page

Alan Page ran himself out of alot of plays.

by BFforever on Feb 28, 2012 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

I would call this........

a less than FULL description of Alan Page. In fact, I don’t know what the he++ you are talking about.

by Mel Allen on Feb 28, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm,

It’s like saying that Moss ran too far for the throw. Which he did on a lot of plays.

by liveforadrenaline on Feb 28, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the correct analogy would be AP ran backwards or Moss ran away from the throw football?

Either way, it doesn’t make sense to me either. I think he’s trying to say that Page ran upfield too much and allowed a lot of runs or other plays to run underneath. But if his job is to get after the QB, then so be it. We’ve seen JA run up field and allow runs to go right past his voided spot for big gains. It comes with the DE territory. Can’t please everyone I guess.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 28, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

IF, and I mean IF......

this was so, It did not translate into the Vikings D being chewed up. It makes no sense. Page was not fooled often. If anything, he was only controlled, especially in the Super Bowl losses.

by Mel Allen on Feb 28, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I...I have no words

Look, I love Doleman, but when you’re talking defensive linemen, there was Alan Page and then there was everybody else.

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by Ted Glover on Feb 28, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet you forgot him

LOL Just busting your chops.
Have you decided what you’re going to do with the list? A suggestion or two.
1. Take the top 7 from each round and try and make a complete roster.
2. Take the top 5 and have the top Vikings from the draft. (could get tricky if you use the draft when it was 20 rounds in the early 60s)

by VikesFanInTulsa on Feb 29, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I went with AP

Everything he brings to the table:
Power
Speed
Elusiveness
Vision
Work ethic

He could end up being among the all-time greats and that is really fun to think about.

Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every day, like those of a baseball player.

by SooFoo Fan on Feb 28, 2012 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

No, it doesn't

Key word is “could.”

I’m optimistic about him being able to come back from it, though.

Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every day, like those of a baseball player.

by SooFoo Fan on Feb 29, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Too early for AP, I voted Page hands down

He dominated the game like no other DT has yet to do.

by nmvikesfan on Feb 28, 2012 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

HOF drafted by the Vikings in the 1st round

Carl Eller, Alan Page, Ron Yary, Chris Doleman, Randall McDaniel. Choosing from this list it is Alan Page hands down.

by JM67 on Feb 28, 2012 11:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

my argument against moss (and i like him)

Is that he had all the natural ability in the world but put very little effort to it, so would I rather have a guy that pisses off teammates and pissed away his gifts eventually, or a guy that’s an actual leader and runs about as hard as an old school Buick (before the plastic fender crap)… I mean the man’s (moss’) attitude was absolute CRAP

by Lunchpail on Feb 29, 2012 2:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I mean think about it

Moss’ ability with Jerry Rice’s motivation/determination

by Lunchpail on Feb 29, 2012 2:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Moss is probably the most emotional players we've ever seen in purple.

Problem is he was up or down. What made Moss great was playing with the fire he had from falling so far in the draft. He had a list of Heads he wanted to gather and you could tell he meant it. I don’t question moss’s work ethic to become better. I don’t think anyone has. I’ve never seen an article stating Moss was lazy and didn’t practice or try to get better or anything. If the team’s losing though? That’s when he shuts down and as CC would say “he quits”. Say what you want, the guy’s always been about winning.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 29, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess i worded it wrong

Quits is a better way to put it

by Lunchpail on Feb 29, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

All the teams should do this

Then we should port it into Madden and see which team has the best team of all time :D

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 29, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

Oh how are you going to handle free agents?

Hutch, CCarter, Allen all came to us from another house, but I see them all as Vikes.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 29, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you'd have to do it by position

rather than draft.

Unless the drafted players replace the current starters on the respective teams. At which point.. Imma load up on voting O-line and D-backs. Krause, where u at??

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Mar 1, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Booyah!

I wonder what Madden would make of that guy?

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Mar 1, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

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