Siefert's All NFC North Team
by CCNorsemen on Feb 8, 2012 5:03 PM CST
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PrintMany of you may remember the post awhile back about Pro-Football Focus' All-NFC North Team. I commented that somebody really should do another version, because they royally messed up the defense and TE selections. Well, I was working on my own evaluation using football outsiders and the stats at nfl.com, but then Kevin Seifert, ESPN's blogger that covers the NFC North, went and posted his version late last night. I have to say, it's a much more realistic look at who the best players from 2011 were. I only have a few disagreements, and you can read about them after the jump.
So, my biggest gripe about the Pro-Football Focus' lineup was that they went with a 3-4 defensive scheme, when 3 out of the 4 teams in the North utilize a 4-3. I also thought that choosing Kleinsasser was dumb. Sure, he's The People's Champion and all and it's great to honor him now that he's retired (*tear), and I mean no disrespect, but when you're choosing the best all-around TE in the North, Kleinsasser isn't it. In Siefert's list, only 3 Vikings make the squad: Jared Allen, Kevin Williams and Percy Harvin (as a returner).
| WR | Calvin Johnson (DET) |
| WR | Greg Jennings (GB) |
| WR | Jordy Nelson (GB) |
| LT | Jeff Backus (DET) |
| LG | Rob Sims (DET) |
| C | Scott Wells (GB) |
| RG | Josh Sitton (GB) |
| RT | Bryan Bulaga (GB) |
| TE | Jermichael Finley (GB) |
| QB | Aaron Rodgers (GB) |
| RB | Matt Forte (CHI) |
| DEFENSE | |
| DE | Jared Allen (MIN) |
| DT | Kevin Williams (MIN) |
| DT | Ndamukong Suh (DET) |
| DE | Julius Peppers (CHI) |
| OLB | Clay Matthews (GB) |
| MLB | Brian Urlacher (CHI) |
| OLB | Lance Briggs (CHI) |
| CB | Charles Tillman (CHI) |
| CB | Charles Woodson (GB) |
| S-NB | Tramon Williams (GB) |
| S | Louis Delmas (DET) |
| SPECIAL TEAMS | |
| PK | Mason Crosby (GB) |
| P | Tim Mastay (GB) |
| PR | Devin Hester (CHI) |
| KR | Percy Harvin (MIN) |
| ST | Corey Graham (CHI) |
I agree with the defensive selections 100%. I question choosing Matt Forte over Adrian Peterson, and not just because I'm a Viking homer. Neither one of them played the full 16-game season this year, and sure, Forte put up 27 more yards on the ground, and 300+ more yards through the air. But, Forte only scored 4 TDs all year. Four! Peterson scored 13 on the year, more than 3 times as many. So, I value that production more over the extra receiving yards from dump-off passes. I also question Jermichael Finley at TE, although I certainly think it's close. Brandon Pettigrew had a great year and had more catches than any TE not named Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham. He also put up 11 more receiving yards, and grades out as a bigger and better run blocker. Finley is one of the worst run-blocking TEs in the NFL, and had a league-high 12 drops. I'd go with Pettigrew. They also should have selected Chicago Punter Adam Podlesh, who had the best Net average of any punter in the North. What say you?
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Jordy Nelson was a tough one.
I agreed with Seifert and it was hard to do so but Percy was a great receiver this year but nowhere close to the touchdowns Nelson had…but then I began to think if Percy had decent quarterback play and if he had played more during the year and then I think it wouldn’t have even been close. Nelson benefits a lot by being a number 2 talented receiver locked up on the other teams number 3 corner.
I'm fine with Jordy Nelson
Jordy had a phenomenal year and deserves to be on the list. He outperformed all other WR in the North not named Calvin Johnson. If anything, it’s Greg Jennings who doesn’t deserve to be on the list. Sure, he missed the final 3 games of the year, but he put up similar numbers to Percy, and it’s arguable that the versatility that Percy brings to the table in rushing (300+ yards) and returning (33 yard average), makes him more valuable as the #3 WR in the All-NFC North team. At the end of the day I’m fine with both Nelson and Jennings on the list, but I think a case can be made to include Harvin and remove Jennings.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
stats alone should not be the deciding factor
Jordy had Aaron Rodgers throwing lasers at his number hitting him in stride. Percy had McNabb, Ponder, and Webb attempting to throw him passes and Percy still gets it done. He has equal hands and catching ability as does Jordy, but Percy is faster, stronger, and more versatile. If I am picking teams and you take Jordy over Percy I am thrilled and laughing. Percy is pound for pound the better football players. It would be down right scary to have Rodgers throwing passes to Percy.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 13, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
outrageous
forget the stats. stats are meaningless because of the quality of QB differential. Percy is pound for pound a better foot player in almost every way. Strength, speed, versatility…hands and heart are probably equal. There is a lot of homerism on all these boards, but in this one…I don’t even think it’s close and I say so objectively. Percy hands down is the better football player.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 13, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Seifert was ranking best players
Harvin would be on the team over Nelson and Jennings. Unfortunately, he’s picking best wide receivers. He states in the article that he didn’t take into consideration Harvin’s rushing totals. He also didn’t factor in his return ability into the wide receiver category. Seeing these criteria, I agree with Seiferts choices but I would take Harvin over Nelson or Jennings any day.
by Coolio12 on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
percy
I agree with jordy at wide reciever also, but as an all around player harvin is the man.Hopefully we can get a secondary to slow some recievers in the division down and make their stats more indicitive of their play.HELL I COULD LOOK GOOD AGAINST OUR SECONDARY.
Percy > Jordy
I don’t care about the stats. If Percy had a QB throwing lasers at this numbers while he was in stride Percy would be unstoppable and have much better numbers. Percy as as good of hands as Nelson. Percy runs guys over and delivers hits that Jordy is incapable of. Percy is faster and stronger than Nelson and far more versatile (kick returns and RB). Siefert says he gives the nod to Nelson because of the TDs, but again that is a reflection of the QB. Normally such a rant can be dismissed as typical homer syndrome but not this time. Both Jordy and Percy play with heart but Pound for pound Percy is the better football player in every category.
by aceinthecorner on Feb 13, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
First I'd like to say that grading football players shouldn't be done just based off of stats
Does the receiver block? Does the lineman work his way to the second level? There are a lot of things a good football player does that doesn’t involve the ball even touching his hands. Which is why I think people like K-Sauce should make these lists. Do you really think the Vikes would be a better team if they had no blocking TE’s?
Sorry mini rant there.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Seifert got it right I think...
…whereas I picture Pro Football Focus bringing on a bunch of college interns to drink beer, sit in bean bag chairs and watch games until they fall asleep. I can’t explain PFF “findings” any other way.
Forte had a better year than Peterson in large part because he’s a more complete back than Peterson. He had a better per carry rushing average than Peterson. He also was much better receiving average and much, much better overall receiving production than Peterson. I understand him getting the nod over Peterson.
"Men are creatures with two legs and eight hands. - Jayne Mansfield
agreed on forte.
forte is a much more complete back, he is a 3 down back as opposed to the 2 down back that is adrian peterson. he can run, block and catch passes. he was probably the most valuable offensive player for the bears until he got hurt last year. he was the epitome of a complete back. sorry adrain, you need to develop more facets to your game, especially now that you shredded the knee and all.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Couldn't disagree with you guys more
Apparently touchdowns don’t matter to either of you. That stat speaks for itself: 13 touchdowns to 4. Peterson’s receiving total was down this year compared to years past, but I don’t think that speaks to his lack of skills as much as it speaks to our poor QB play, and a different offensive scheme.
I don’t know what universe accepts Adrian Peterson as anything less than the best running back in the NFL, and he should have made the All-North team as the RB. I’m not discounting the fact that Forte had a great year, but there’s just no comparison. If you remove all those desperation dump-off passes to Forte in Chicago, then it’s an easy decision to make. Based on pure talent, Peterson should have been picked. Based on pure stats, it’s a mixed bag, and it depends on which stats you want to weigh more heavily than others. They are basically tied in rushing yards, and while Forte wins in receiving yards, Peterson wins in TDs. At best, it’s a tie. And in that case, I’ll take Peterson on talent every time.
Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.
i understand why that is your view, but i think that forte is the complete package.
chicago had marion barber too as a goal line specialist. but the truth is that adrian can’t block for beans, and he is not much of a reciever, so he has to get pulled on third downs. if he is such a great back, he should be out their more often. i think adrian had the most raw running talent/power/speed/quickness of any back in the league, but he wasn’t the most accomplished “runner” or “running back”, i think he got by on his talent, but his skill set needs some work. remember too, forte was playing behind an o-line that was worse than the vikings, and they didn’t really have any recievers either.
i think that is why forte got the nod over adrian.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
"Apparently touchdowns don’t matter to either of you."
They matter to me when it comes to winning a game. They don’t much matter to me as a means to comparing stats between running backs, or even QBs. The other stats matter more. And there’s the other stuff that doesn’t end up in the stats like Peterson’s struggles with blocking for his QB on passing downs and missing his running assignment three times over the course of three straight games. This year even the Vikings back up running back had better per carry stats than Peterson this season.
Lastly, who was the better running back for the Vikings in 1998 and 1999? Leroy Hoard or Robert Smith. Leroy Hoard had 9 TDs and 10 TDs in ’98 and ’99 respectively. Robert Smith had 6 TDs and 2 TDs in those same seasons.
"Men are creatures with two legs and eight hands. - Jayne Mansfield
another way to look at it is.....wins.
the bears were 7-5 in the 12 games matt forte played last year.
the vikes were 2-10 in the 12 games peterson played last year.
all of adrian peterson’s tds didn’t matter, we were 2-10 while the
bears had a winning record and were in position for the playoffs
til matt forte got injured.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
... Why would you look at wins?
That’s more of a team stat, not an individual stat. So if Peterson scores 3TDs in a game, but the defense collapses down the stretch and the Vikes lose, while Forte gets a single TD but the Bears win.. it makes Forte better?
Both RBs are the focal point of their team. Both teams feed their RB the ball. Peterson manages to score more with it, wins or not. You can’t justify Forte’s lack of scoring. He’s the more complete back, no question, but if I want somebody to run the ball (which is what the running back position is for).. I’d much rather give the rock to Peterson. Or at least I would have, we’ll have to see if he’ll be even close to what he was.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 12, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
… Why would you look at wins?
It was in response to cc’s comment about “…apparently touchdowns don’t matter…”. The fact is that Forte is a more complete back who was more valuable to his team.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
But Peterson is better than Forte.
You must remember Forte was doing this to get a contract. Peterson has been doing this.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think Forte is a better running back.
and I doubt that he only displayed his awesome talent only to get a contract.
He is good enough at all 3 main facets of position to actually be a 3 down back, and he does a better job of picking his holes. I think Adrian has raw athletic ability that is better than just about any other running back, but he is not a complete package.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
If the game was on the line
and you where 4th and short at the goal line or anywhere on the field for that matter, who would you rather have in your backfield? You can easily play action with Peterson, or hand it off to him, or pass it to him and let him do someone like he did against the Steelers.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
then why does ourr coaching staff put in toby in those situations?
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Be honest
our staff has done plenty of questionable things so far have they?
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
indeed they have. i have a bald spot now from scratching my head.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Like the way they call the Webb Cat
when we finally get a good drive going.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
did you say webbcat? ouch, now i have a headache.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
And oh yea
not considering the O-Line, just the running back. And I honestly think our O-Line was the worst in the league. They did afterall get Brett’s career ended.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
ya know, it might be hard to believe this, but chicago's line ranked worse.
the vikings did a little better run blocking, and both teams bottomed out the league in pass blocking, according to the metrics of this site.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
I like Forte
and he reminds me of Brian Westbrook, but Peterson is a very rare talent. I think Forte is more effective because they have a more effective QB who threatens them with the deep ball.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
i'm only commenting on the selection to this year's all-nfcn team.
it’s a close call, but i can see the reasoning behind it is all. here’s to hoping that adrian can bounce back and maybe learn to do the little things that mere mortal running backs have to do to make it in the nfl. we need him.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
He thrived with Favre
Can only hope out QBs can give the passing game more of a threat. When he’s the focus and the short passing game is the only threat, of course his effectiveness can be controlled somewhat.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Kleinsasser made it as a FB, not TE.
6' 3", 209 lbs, long blond hair, moustache and beard.
As a Viking ought to be ;-)
I will pick on two selections from the Packers
Are the defensive backs in the NFC North so bad that Tramon Williams gets chosen for S-NB? I mean, he had an outstanding year in 2010, but this year he had a nagging injury and he damn well looked like it. I’m not sure who should get picked ahead of him, but surely somebody played better this year. I’m also down on Finley after this year. If he played up to his potential, he’d be the pick in a landslide. But, that didn’t happen. As punishment, I am siding with Pettigrew.
No. Nobody did better.
The entire NFC North was absolutely pathetic at pass defense this last year. It’s why I subtract about 20 from Rodgers’ passer rating total when I’m comparing it to other QBs. He got 6 games against some of the worst pass defense there is.
And we all know what happened when he went against a real pass defense in the playoffs.
As to Finley, he doesn’t deserve to be on the list. Pettigrew had a better year than him, and Finley can’t run block.
Another thing I took from last year: If I’m building a franchise, I’d take the 2011 Cutler over Rodgers any day of the week. He had no weapons but Forte and no OL and took his team to the verge of the playoffs, seemingly through sheer determination sometimes.
I guess I left myself open to that "analysis"
But just because I invited it doesn’t make it accurate. At least you ended with a good joke in wanting Cutler over Rodgers. I think it’s safe to say that no NFL front office would agree with you, least of all the Bears FO. It’s okay to admit that the Packers have the best QB in the NFL right now. And btw, Rodgers was one of the only guys that came to play against the Giants.
Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning. Those are my top 5, not necessarily in that order.
No, the Packers do not have the best QB in the NFL right now.
I mean, for crying out loud, Eli Manning has more SB rings than any Packers Quarterback since Bart Starr. As do both Brady and Roethlisberger.
Brady holds the passing TD single season record, Brees holds the passing yardage single season record, and Peyton Manning is ridiculously good as a QB.
P.S. Yes, Rodgers is #6 on my list. Has a chance of displacing Peyton Manning. Long way to go before he catches the rest of them.
Eli and Big Ben don’t deserve to be in the top 5, imo. How much do you figure them both have great-very good defenses factors into them winning SB’s? I’d say it’s been the main factor.
Brady holds the passing TD single season record, Brees holds the passing yardage single season record, and Peyton Manning is ridiculously good as a QB.
Rodgers holds the single season passer rating record..How efficient he was in 2011 was borderline ridiculous. And for the record, if he didn’t get pulled after the 3rd quarter in 2-3 games, and miss the week 17 game, there’s probably no way he doesn’t break Brady’s single season TD record. Of course, it would have helped to have the best wide receiver in the history of the sport too.
You obviously hate the Packers, and that’s fine, but at least try and be a little bit realistic.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 12, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Rodgers is definitely top 5.
If anyone on that list doesn’t belong, its Eli. He’s a great QB, no question.. but not top 5. If he hadn’t won a 2nd SB, I don’t think he’d be in anyone’s top-5 list.
Big Ben is arguable, I think, but he’s definitely at #5 if you include him. Doesn’t come close to Rodgers/Brady/Brees.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 12, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Rodgers has 0 SB wins unless his DEFENSE scores in every postseason game one year.
And you hold Eli’s having a good defense against him?
The entire NFC North was absolutely pathetic at pass defense this last year. It’s why I subtract about 20 from Rodgers’ passer rating total when I’m comparing it to other QBs. He got 6 games against some of the worst pass defense there is.
Pretty much the entire NFL was pathetic at pass defense. Hence, all the ridiculous QB numbers. Brees got to play the Bucs, Panthers, and Falcons. They were near equally as dismal as the Vikings, Bears, and Lions on pass defense. Do you subtract 20 from his rating?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 11, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
i guess that's why cutler was named league mvp last year too, huh?
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Seifert is pretty solid,
I like reading his stuff. I think he was pretty on with the picks.
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wow the olines in our division suck
by statue_left on Feb 10, 2012 8:08 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Packers wasn't that bad, until they got hit with injuries
That’s their biggest problem, staying healthy. Otherwise its a pretty good group.
Everyone else’s is pretty much a rag-tag group. Sometimes they work out in games, sometimes they don’t. (Especially the Bear’s O-line.)
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Thank God we can look down on someone
But losing Carimi was a blow to them for sure.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
how can tice drive that group to the bottom unit in the league, and then get a promotion?
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
they were the bottom unit in the league
He just drove them in circles.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
more like a spiral, screwing them into the ground deeper and deeper.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
Stopped reading when I saw the D-Line
Of Allen-Williams-Suh-Peppers.
Sorry for profanity, but holy shit.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM CST reply actions
Yeah I would like to see that line in action
By the way anyone else see what Seifert put up on ESPN about making the pro bowl into a college vs NFL all star match? How cool would that be? College players smoking lazy NFL players! Luck gunslinging to Blackmon, Kalil trying to stop Allen… Fun!
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
That would be a massacre
I think it would be more interesting to have the best college team take on the worst NFL team.
Oregon vs St. Louis
That’d be my pick for a game.
…I still don’t think the SEC is all it’s cracked up to be. I mean, Auburn was almost an identical in both offense and defense ranks to the Gophers, and they finished 7-5, were ranked, and went to a bowl game. I’d love to see an SEC ‘powerhouse’ try to last through the monster schedules everyone in the Big Ten goes through every year.
You mean it wasn’t enough for you to see South Carolina smoke Nebraska, Florida beat Ohio St., and Georgia (the SEC’s 4th or 5th best team) take Michigan St. (arguably the Big Ten’s best team) to triple OT?
Even though I despise Ohio St., I can’t wait to see what they do in the Big Ten after a few of Meyer’s SEC style recruiting classes. I think all the rest of the teams are going to be in for a rude awakening.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 11, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
By this logic
Boise State is the best team in college football.
I mean, they can beat one or two really good teams in a year, why haven’t they been to a title game?
I’m on the side that says more interconference play is needed, because teams like hiding and playing conference games against pathetic teams to boost their records. That’s why the Big 10 all had multiple losses, there were enough good conference teams.
I stand by my statement. Let LSU or Alabama play one season in the Big 10, and see if they can handle it.
You implied that the Big Ten is better than the SEC (which is ridiculous), so I pointed out how well the Big Ten teams did against the SEC this past bowl season.
South Carolina and Nebraska both finished towards the top in their conferences and SC killed them. The same applies to Michigan St. and Georgia, only Michigan St. was arguably the Big Ten’s best team and Georgia was arguably the SEC’s fourth or fifth best team. Michigan St. won but it was about a close a game as it can get. And then Florida, arguably the SEC’s fifth or sixth best team, beat Ohio St., who was probably the Big Ten’s third or fourth best team.
If the Big Ten’s best team is even with SEC’s fourth or fifth best team, what makes you think LSU or Bama’ would struggle with anybody in the Big Ten? The Big Ten wasn’t even the second best conference last season.
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by packallday555 on Feb 12, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah the SEC
isn’t better than the Big Ten but the SEC has, what the last 5 or 6 Championship teams come out the conference? That makes perfect sense to me.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Itz obviously only because the media loves the SEC!
sarcasm/
by packallday555 on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
The BCS is a sham.
The champion this last year, if you’ll remember, not only didn’t win their conference, but didn’t even win their division in the conference.
That part of it is BS.
But that doesn't mean
the Big Ten is better. No one in the Big Ten could beat Arkansas, the 3rd best team in the Conference, let alone the 4th team in the SEC.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I think the college kids would crush the NFL
Those kids will be out there show casing in front of the world while the NFL players will be trying not to get injured. Watching them lose would be worth the four hours.
Plus I don’t want to see the Vikes play that badly.. :p
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
No way.
I’d take the NFL team over a college all-star team anyday.
Although it would help out with scouting for the draft, I’m sure. Seeing college talent go up against what it’ll be facing in the pros.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 12, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I just think the NFL guys wouldn't take it seriously
And play a bit on the light side as they are already making their money. Now I could be wrong and the NFL could go all ‘Dream Team’ on them… God I hate Christian Laetner..
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
I made this idea up a LONG time ago and NO one
thought it was a good idea. Sucks.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
You needed better PR.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Percy > Jordy
I don’t care about the stats. If Percy had a QB throwing lasers at this numbers while he was in stride Percy would unstoppable. Percy as as good of hands as Nelson. Percy has the heart of a lion. Percy is faster and stronger than Nelson and far more versatile (kick returns and RB). Siefert says he gives the nod to Nelson because of the TDs, but again that is a reflection of the QB. Normally such a rant can be dismissed as typical homer syndrome but not this time. Pound for pound Percy is the better football player in every category.
We talking as a wide receiver, or just as a weapon? Because Seifert was talking about wide receiver, and as a wide receiver, I’ll take Jordy over Percy 10 times out of 10. He runs better routes and has the ability to go up and make a catch over a defener. You make it sound like all his success was due to Rodgers. Some of it was, but he made quite a few spectacular TD plays. You should actually go and look at his highlights from this season. He had some great YAC plays and made some big time catches in jump ball situations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vJet88LNo
For what Harvin does, he doesn’t need a great QB. He needs someone who can throw it to him on a crossing route or even just a quick pass out to the flats. He’s not a guy that’s going to beat a CB after running a crisp route. He’s a guy who gets the ball with minimal space, and somehow makes a 15+ yard play out of it.
I could buy that he’s a better overall player because of everything he’s able to do but as a receiver, I think Jordy is better.
by packallday555 on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even know what category to put Percy in lol
He does so many different things. The NFL needs a new position.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 13, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I think Percy is the ideal prototypical "slot back".
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him
by REVENGE4WEBB on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
yes and if you broke the reciever positions into their real team aspects
Percy would be there instead of Nelson.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
looks like they just picked the three top recievers and listed them alphabetical.
it’s hard to argue with the numbers that nelson put up. and they didn’t list “slot receiver” as a catagory.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
I don't know if it would be such a clear choice.
10/10 times for Nelson seems iffy to me. Granted, Jordy had a good season, but it isn’t like he’s a clear cut #1 target. Let’s be real here, he’s benefitting from the other weapons on GBs offense. Harvin, meanwhile, is practically the only reciever teams need to worry about when he’s on the field. And he still managed to produce fairly well.
Neither one is a go-to-guy, but if I need somebody to make a play for me, short dump off or no, I’d definitely take Harvin over Nelson. Nelson’s crisper and his technique is more sound, yes, but there’s more to being a WR than just that. Harvin’s a threat to take it the distance any time he gets his hands on the ball. Absolute beastly playmaker.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
How many times was nelson the defensive secondaries primary target to defend?
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Well, he probably was the last three weeks when Jennings was out, and in that time period he did have 17 catches for 303 yards and 5 TD’s.
I know he’s only done it for a year, and there’s no doubt Jennings and Finley helped him out, along with Rodgers, but I still think he showed that he’s a top 15, maybe top 20 receiver.
I won’t agrue that Harvin’s better overall but as a receiver, I think Jordy’s better.
by packallday555 on Feb 14, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hate to say it but I can't make a judgement until I see Harvin playing with Rogders..
Ponder ain’t no Rodgers. Ok I have a different question, would you rather have Harvin or Nelson on your team? If the rest of your team was healthy et al.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
Yeah, that’s probably true. Right now, Percy. But if Jordy plays like he did this season next season, it might be him. He’s a pretty darn good deep threat.
by packallday555 on Feb 15, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
harvin was out of position a lot, imo. he is a slot guy, not a wide out.
he filled in admirably, but his true calling is not lining up outside. how can they not give nelson the nod, he has crazy numbers. maybe when the vikings get better receivers and get the qb position in order, then percy can go back to his natural spot.
well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?
I dunno, I think he showed he could be a viable #2 reciever.
He’s got some pretty sure hands, and he knows how to get open in a defense. Obviously he thrives in the slot, but if we ‘simply’ got a #1 WR, I think Harvin would still be just fine as our second option. We wouldn’t necessarily have to shove him back to being a slot reciever.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Feb 14, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with being a true slot receiver
depending on your game plan they can pick up a crap load of yards for you. Personally I would like to see Harvin get more playing time.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
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