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My Take On Cris Carter Being Passed Over For Canton Again

There are many excuses for this man not being in the Hall of Fame. . .and they're all really, really dumb.

I know I'm a bit late to the party on this, and I know that Kyle already covered it, but I wanted to throw out my own take on the running gag that is Cris Carter's continued exclusion from the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

As I sat in my recliner on Saturday afternoon, watching the announcement of the Hall of Fame Class of 2012 on the NFL Network, I really, truly thought that this was the year that Carter was going to make it in. Yes, he had the same fairly stiff competition at wide receiver that he's had the past couple of years in Tim Brown and Andre Reed, but when it was announced that Brown hadn't even made it past the first cut, I thought that Carter was a cinch. Chris Doleman had made the cut as well, so I thought that there was a great chance that the Minnesota Vikings would pull off the relatively rare feat of getting two Hall of Famers in one class.

However, it was not to be, as Carter was eliminated in the second cut, and wound up getting passed over for his rightful place in Canton for the fifth time. I couldn't believe it. . .the guy that the NFL Network said had the best hands in the history of the National Football League and a guy that should have gotten in as a first-ballot Hall of Famer had been jobbed one more time.

Over the days since the Class of 2012 has been announced, I've looked at various online sources and attempted to determine why it is, exactly, that Cris Carter keeps getting snubbed. A couple of themes kept repeating themselves, and so I'd like to take a minute to thoroughly debunk them.

Star-divide

Before we start off, I need to point out something that some of the Carter haters out there can't seem to get a handle on. Chris Carter is the guy responsible for creating The X-Files in the late 80s/early 90s. Cris Carter is the guy that played wide receiver for the Vikings and the guy we're talking about here. If you can't figure out the difference, you pretty much forfeit your expectation of being taken seriously while discussing the credentials of either guy.

Okay, now that that's out of the way. . .

One of the big ones that seems to keep coming up is Cris Carter's lack of a Super Bowl ring. If this is really, truly one of the things that's holding Carter back, then the voting process and the people that are a part of that process are a bigger joke than I can even begin to express. Seriously, here are the career numbers for two guys that played in the same era. . .one of them is in the Hall of Fame, and the other one is still waiting for his call.

Games

Receptions

Yards

Touchdowns

Michael Irvin

159

750

11,904

65

Cris Carter

234

1,101

13,899

130


For his career, Irvin is currently 20th all-time in receiving yardage, 29th all-time in receptions, and 45th all-time in receiving touchdowns. Carter is 8th, 4th, and 4th in those three categories, respectively. For crying out loud, he has twice as many touchdowns as Michael Irvin. . .and keep in mind, Irvin spent pretty much his entire career catching passes from a future Hall of Famer at quarterback, while Cris Carter largely had the Bum of the Month Club rolling through Minnesota every season.

But because Irvin managed to get himself three Super Bowl rings, people want to tell you with a straight face that he's a better receiver in the annals of NFL history than Cris Carter. To which I say, "the hell he is." I just don't understand the logic behind attempting to use a team achievement to prevent players from an individual honor like the Hall of Fame.

Oh, and incidentally. . .the modern era members of this year's Hall of Fame class (Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, and Willie Roaf)? A combined zero Super Bowl rings. Their lack of team accomplishments didn't prevent them from getting enshrined, and that leads me into the next argument that I keep seeing about Cris Carter not getting into the Hall of Fame. . .the argument about Cris Carter's "character."

That line of reasoning may be an even bigger load of garbage than the one I just went over.

Yes, when he played in the NFL, Cris Carter had a cocaine habit early in his career. You know who else had a cocaine habit? Michael Irvin. It sure as heck didn't keep him from getting into the Hall of Fame. There's one guy in the Hall of Fame by the name of Paul Hornung that was suspended for an entire season (and the suspension was originally "indefinite") for gambling on his own team. That guy's in the Hall of Fame, too. The people that are so quick to point that out aren't nearly as quick to point out that, after the Philadelphia Eagles released him because of his drug habits, that he totally turned his life around. The guy was even named the NFL's Man of the Year in 1999.

Was Cris Carter a model citizen? Not for his entire NFL career, no. But if you only want people in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that were good people off the field as well as on it, then that big building in Canton, Ohio is going to be a pretty empty place. There are plenty of guys already in there that weren't angels off the field, but it seems that Carter is getting held to a different standard.

This leads me to the third. . .and, quite possibly. . .the dumbest reason of them all that I've seen for Carter not getting into the Hall of Fame. It has to do with the fact that he was, allegedly, not terribly nice to the media during his time in Minnesota. Unfortunately, it's the media (largely) that has the keys to the Hall, and the speculation is that there are people that Carter might have blown off during his career that don't want to see him get in.

What a joke.

So Cris Carter might have been a jerk off the field. Heck, I've never met the guy or spoken to him, so I can't personally verify that one way or another. But, apparently, there are a few people that have that impression of him, and the best response I can muster is "so freaking what?" Again, there are plenty of people that are currently in Canton that were jerks away from the football field. They managed to make their way into the Hall of Fame, but Cris Carter has not, even though his numbers and his accomplishments have shown him to be more than deserving.

Look, if the media folks that cover professional football want to construct a Pro Football Hall of Congeniality and keep Cris Carter out of it because they think he was a big stupid meaniehead poopyface, then that's fine. But that shouldn't be what the Pro Football Hall of Fame is all about.

As it stands right now, there are 21 modern-era wide receivers that have gotten into Canton. There are not 21 modern-era wide receivers that were or are better than Cris Carter. There just aren't.

Pro Football Talk has suggested that the way the Hall of Fame goes about things needs to be changed, starting with an overhaul of the Hall's Board of Trustees, which "sports a hybrid of football people and Canton-area businesspeople that are likely more concerned about networking than ensuring the best possible filter for determining who gets inducted into the Hall of Fame." Again, I'm not a Hall of Fame voter, and I don't know what goes on during these meetings for sure. . .but maybe something does have to change.

We'll have to see going forward. Cris Carter is going to (likely) be a finalist again in 2013. . .and if he doesn't make it next year, the next few years are going to see the addition of players like Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Terrell Owens, and Randy Moss (and if you think the debate surrounding Carter is ridiculous, wait until Moss' name comes up). If Carter doesn't get in next year, the question of his Hall of Fame induction shifts from what should be a question of "when" to a question of "if," which is ludicrous to say the least.

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I don't even have words.

Just blatant…utter…stupidity from the people responsible.

I mean…Cortez freaking Kennedy? 8 pro bowls, which is amazing considering his largely pedestrian numbers. Double digit sacks once, and only 58 in his career…which is good for 101st all time. And I know a defensive player’s value isn’t enitrely tied up in sacks, but I just don’t understand how Kennedy is more deserving than Carter in any way that matters.

by Jesse on Feb 9, 2012 7:21 AM CST reply actions  

Hall of What?

How about the Hall of Modest Accomplishment? That would be a better name. If CC still can’t make it and Mick Tinglehoff has been waiting more than three decades, it’s tough to take the whole thing seriously. It used to be a dream of mine to make it to Canton. But it’s now on my back burner.

by VanVike on Feb 9, 2012 8:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

in a seriousness

there is a “hall of modest acomplishments”. i dont think its called that but there is a whole of fame for people that werent if the charts. i believe carl eller was in it before he got into the HOF

by statue_left on Feb 9, 2012 1:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Model citizen

Chris Carter had his problems early in his career, he righted himself and dedicated himself to his team. I have nothing but admiration for the man. He belongs in the HOF.

by favregasms on Feb 9, 2012 9:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I would even disagree with Chris on this one

if there was an NFL Hall of Congeniality, then, based off his after NFL life, Cris Carter actually should deserve to get into it. Unless said Hall was based entirely on the first 2-3 years of your NFL career, in which case, then yeah, he shouldn’t.

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by KJSegall on Feb 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Over?

Nothing is over until we decide it is!

Time to Death Mobile these folks….

But one does have to wonder. Do the same idiots who vote for the NFL Hall of Fame, also the same idiots who vote in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

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by VikesFaninNM on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

The hall of fame is not complete until

Chris Carter is inducted in the Football HOF and Jethro Tull is in the Rock & Roll HOF
Those are two things I can not understand

by MexiVike on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Too uppity?

Assertive, determined, outspoken, opinionated, self-assured. These are characteristics of a dominating personality, a take-charge kind of person, a leader. Think Fran Tarkenton and Chris Carter.

Unfortunately, where most people admire these qualities in a white guy like Tarkenton, it makes them a little uncomfortable coming from a black guy, like Chris Carter. Or Barack Obama. Yup, they’re still out there, the old racial stereotypes. In 2012 some White people still feel a little scared of black people in positions of leadership, especially if they act like a leader.

Imagine what they’d say about a red, fuzzy Muppet running for president.

Muppity.

by jimbo55403 on Feb 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

I have a feeling

that they might actually elect Elmo for President.

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by Td1984 on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

z

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

So that's the reason the majority of America voted for Obama?

Let’s try not to make this a race issue. It’s such a waste of time to even bring this up. It’s so far from that.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 9, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, let's nip this one in the bud.

I’m going to take a wild stab here that race has absolutely nothing to do with who does/ does not get into the NFL HoF. There are a million stupid and moronic reasons for why Cris Carter isn’t there… this would not be one of them.

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by KJSegall on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Clearly the committee doesn’t appreciate the value of WR’s from this era. I wonder if future prospects at WR will have such a hard time being recognized for their achievements considering the impact passing games have on the league.

If Cris Carter isn’t HOF worthy, you have to re-evaluate what exactly that body signifies.

by LoveHate on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

I think the media needs to be fully removed from the process.

Idk how they would do it but the media needs to be removed from the process and it needs to go to the players and employees of the NFL to decide who gets in. As I said I have no clue how it would work.

by Dodger48 on Feb 9, 2012 10:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Well in theory

the media is the one group of people that can maintain objectivity. In reality, they appear to be a group of petty individuals who latch on to their own pet projects for Hall of Fame induction, for whom they lobby their peers relentlessly. That is the dynamic that keeps a player of Cris Carter’s caliber waiting in the wings. I don’t know that it can be fixed.

by Ben T on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, I have no problem with having Roger Goodell make a final decision.

I’d rather have one person than a bunch of people anyday. I like the one-man decision crew. I also think he’s been fair when it comes to other things around the league too and don’t see why this would be any different. Or maybe just have all 32 owners vote? Just because you’re an owner doesn’t mean you know anything about football. Maybe the future HOF players vote? I don’t like that either because if you’ve got a large portion of say, Steelers in the HOF then do they favor Steeler players? Do they maybe hold them to a higher standard? There’s never a perfect system, but I say put someone in charge that is already supposed to be impartial to all 32 teams and all the players making up those teams, the Commish.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

If Moss gets in before CC?

And believe me, I’m a huge Moss supporter. I don’t think Moss is a HOF player without CC tellin’ him what’s what early in his career. I think CC/Moss and I’ll even throw in TO are all 1st ballot HOFers(or should be anyways), IMO. This is getting to the “tragedy” stages. I would take my yellow jacket and wipe my ass with it at the podium and tell all the people that voted for me to suck it. Tell them what I truly felt about the HOF and being snubbed. People bitch all day long about it(fans, players, professionals, even media) so why not have someone take a stand and bring it up and call them out. Just talk about how embarassed the NFL and the current HOF players should be to be considered a part of that group that’s judged by people who don’t even give a shit about being good at what they do.

Speaking of Mike Florio, he was on a local radio show in Des Moines yesterday and he said flat out that CC was a jerk, ass, whatever you want to call him. I believe Florio started his career up in the Cities if I’m not mistaken. But then he said who gives a rip about that. I mean really, you’d think the 5-year waiting period before a retired player is HOF eligible would be enough time for any reporter who’s been “wronged” or snubbed by a player to get over it.

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by DM_Purp on Feb 9, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

Can a player rescind his elligability?

That might be quite the statement to an organization so dysfunctional.

by Soybomb on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

Or better yet...

If he ever were to get selected, request to be removed from the HOF!

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

This sucks

It’s just another item on the giant checklist of letdowns that we endure as Vikings fans. We’ll just have to continue to hold out hope that CC gets his due eventually, just like we all hold out hope we’ll win the super bowl one day…

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by CCNorsemen on Feb 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

I have met Cris Carter

It was an awesome opportunity, really a stand up guy. I have nothing but nice words to say about him. The media are like vultures they will pick at anything they can get, if I was a player I probably wouldn’t be too nice to them either. So he wasn’t in the running for the Korey Stringer media award, who cares? That has no affect on the field.

Carter was number one on the top ten greatest hands countdown by the NFL, well guess what he was also number three on the top ten not in the hall of fame. That was aired several years ago too… And to steal a quote from this segment:

“Was there a point in your career where people thought you were the best at your position in the game? If you were that dominant you deserve to be a hall of famer”

- Dan Dierdorf Hall of Fame offensive lineman (he was talking specifically about Carter)

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by Grape Drank on Feb 9, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

I live in Columbus

And the local radio guys called it “Karma”, saying he treated media poorly. Just another reason to not let them(media) vote for the HOF.

I love CC, feel its ridiculous he hasn’t made it. He didn’t have Montana and Young throwing to him for his entire career like Rice did. I believe his numbers are skewed because of it.

Not saying Jerry Rice wasn’t a great receiver deserving of his honor, but how is any WR a 1st ballot HOFer if CC isn’t? Already been 5 yrs, that’s madness.

Now they’re talking about how it took Swann and Stallworth 20 yrs.; cmon!

by scottfromcmh on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

There is no excuse for Cris Carter not being in the HOF

“X-Files” theme song playing, and slowly fading away.

by vking1 on Feb 9, 2012 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

Let's bring up the morality argument again here for just a second.

Lawrence Taylor was a jerk off the field during his NFL career, and afterwards was then charged convicted of sleeping with an underage prostitute.

Lawrence Taylor is a Hall of Famer.

Cris Carter was a jerk in the beginning of his NFL career off the field, and perhaps remained some to the media during the rest of it. Afterwards, he became an absolute model citizen, even running a seminar for NFL rookies to teach them the dangers of his own earlier habits and ways in hopes of helping them prevent making the same mistakes.

Cris Carter is not a Hall of Famer.

So, uh, maybe I’m dumb/ missing something here. Can someone explain, por favor?

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by KJSegall on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Gates forgot most important Stats

I believe the most important stats for players is: Where were they ranked in stats the DAY they retired?

CC was ranked #2 all-time WHEN he retired in most of the categories Gates lists. For sure I remember in catches and I think TD’s but Im not sure of the rest, but definitely better than what he is currently listed at this many years after he retired.

Where he is ranked now is immaterial, even tho it is still spectacular.

CC is an example of the typical screw-job when non-objective personnel are allowed to vote – this is a travesty and so is the process of selection.

by Day1VikesFan on Feb 9, 2012 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

Stupid idea but could failure to Zip Line be a cause ?

Carter chickening out on the zip line was a hot social media buzz event prior to the HOF vote. Even John Clayton did something Carter could not.

We may never know the real truth of why he wasn’t elected but if the votes are not there, it doesn’t happen.

A recent memory causing them to chuckle and laugh could be enough to forget what he did in the NFL. Anyone who makes the HOF is a real man not a chicken could be a ‘stretch’ of a conspiracy theory.

All Chris can do is continue to stay in the public eye in a professional way, not in a childish way. Perhaps next time with a zip-line opportunity, DO THE 20 SECOND RIDE and PLEASE the FANS by DOING SOMETHING STUPID. The media can then continue to enhance your on-air ‘professionalism’ in the right way via less coverage, un-eventful manner. Not doing the zip line could have been a HOF risk move ( i know, it sounds really stupid for it to remotely possibly be a cause ).

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by VikesFanSince1967 on Feb 9, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Best hands in the NFL

And all he did was catch touchdowns. A buddy of mine and I almost got into a fight about the Irvin/Carter HOF deal. With him ending it with a well Mikes in the Hall and Carter’s not so I guess someone knows who’s better… This is where it almost devolved to some fisticuffs… Stupid Cowboys fans. Honestly of the three on the list the other two don’t even compare with Carters ability.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 9, 2012 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

1) You look at these highlights...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T61vJ9-5tI0

…and you can definitely see how players like Larry Fitz learned how to play the game.

2) It was the 80’s. Who didn’t have a coke habit?

by Soybomb on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

He has more highlights on this 5 min YouTube clip

than most WRs have in a career. Real travesty and a true stand-up guy once he matured a little. Without CC mentoring him early in his career, Moss could have gone the way of many talented, but misguided, players.

by newps on Feb 9, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What it boils down to

The Hall of Fame is for recogninzing personal accomplishment in the sport. The whole Super Bowl thing is a sham….winning a SB is a team accomplishment, they don’t put teams in the Hall they put players in. There are players every year who get SB rings who do very little or even play at all and still get them. Anyone who wants to hold his early drug habit against him apparently doesn’t know the NFL’s creed of taking responsibility, becoming a man and striving to be better……….Carter exhibited all of those things, he’s a perfect model for troubled young players. Irvin more worthy than Cris Carter……..not even close.

by jay574 on Feb 9, 2012 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

OMG- How is Trent Dilfer not in the HOF???

I mean Trent played quarterback, AND won a Superbowl!!

by vking1 on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

He isn't?

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 9, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

all i know is ...

i watched almost every game carter played in …. rice was all about timing …. carter was more improv and more spectacular…. rice stable qb situation . carter has more 1000 yard seasons from different qbs than prob any other wr .and then was mentor to the super freak . media is a necessary evil , for pro sports but shouldnt hold the final keys to glory and achievement on the field.for a great player who doesnt have a ring to be honored has more value and makes a better story which has commercials money ……..

by skol viking on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

I think I got it

CC didn’t have very many yards after the catch. Nevermind that no one else laid out as often as he did, kept both feet in bounds to catch a pass that was thrown 5 yards out of bounds.

by Chris3 on Feb 9, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

rediculous

CC revolutionize the WR position with his tip toe sideline catches (a lot of the for TD’s). You are not an elite receiver these days unless you can make those tough catches.

Carter had a pretty long stretch where he was dominant (1993-2000). Back to back years of 122 catches, and 5 years totaling 65 tds. His 1995 season was pretty damned good too

Also, I dont remember Cortez Kennedy being a dominant player. I remember his 92 season when he blew up with 14 sacks as a DT, but other than that…. must be because he played in Seattle and they were rarely on TV here

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Feb 9, 2012 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

I think they were just feeling bad because Seattle only had one guy in the Hall so far while the Vikes have like 20.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Feb 10, 2012 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Time for Cris to pass!

… on Canton if he should ever get voted in. I would have even more respect for him if he should ever find himself with the opportunity to say no thanks to what is becoming a more laughable club to become a part of with each passing year.

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