Good News? Bad News? I'm Not Sure, You Tell Me
Hi gang, sorry I've been incognito over the last week or so--just having a heckuva time trying to find some stuff to write about.
And the saga that is the Vikings quest for a new stadium seems to be just the slump buster I need to get out of this funk. So I go back to you, stadium saga, like a fat chick at last call. I'm desperate to write, you're desperate to have your story told, let's get out of here.
So, where do we stand today, with the Legislature in session and time running out?
Well, if we are to believe The Godfather, the only site that is now under serious consideration is the site adjacent to the Metrodome. Not the Metrodome site, not the Basilica, not Arden Hills, but the site adjacent to the Metrodome.
The advantage to that is that most, or at least a good part of, the new stadium could be built around the Metrodome, and it would only require the VIkings to play one season, 2015, at TCF Bank Stadium. It's also good that they are focusing solely on one site, because really, it's long past time to settle on a site and get to the brass tacks and get something done.
And if you want an idea of how they would build a stadium adjacent to an existing one, click on this link here. It's a pretty cool time-lapse of Busch stadium in St. Louis being built adjacent to the old one, and how they partially built the new one to a point, and then demolished the old one while finishing the new stadium.
But wait, THERE'S MORE!! After the jump.
That's the good news. And because we're dealing with the Vikings trying to get a new stadium, we can't have good news without bad news.
The bad news is that the new location currently houses what's called the 511 building. And what does the 511 building do, exactly? Well, if you live in Minnesota, or probably the upper Midwest, you're not reading this without the 511 building. Here, let me let Curtis Gilbert of Minnesota Public Radio explain, from this column:
The 511 building is what's called a "carrier hotel." It's a nexus where telephone and Internet networks intersect — both with each other and with the rest of the world.
Without a carrier hotel people on one phone or data network couldn't communicate with people on another one, said Eric Lampland, a member of a small group of technology gurus who helped build the Internet in Minnesota in the early 1990s.
And, according to the article, that's the only 'carrier hotel' in Minnesota. Now, could another carrier hotel be built in time to handle the load of all the Internet traffic in the Upper Midwest by 2015? Yeah, I suppose, but I am by no means an expert on that. But you would think before they bulldoze the 511 building for the stadium, they'd have that figured out.
Arden Hills isn't giving up on their plan. They're still working on a way to come up with their part of the money, since anything that includes a tax increase is a non-starter in the legislature. And while they're still trying to figure that out, they have awarded a $20.6 million clean up contract for the TCAAP site, a first step in getting the land prepared to build a stadium on. Arden Hills seems to be positioning themselves as a 'last case' option, as in nobody will be able to agree on a spot in Minneapolis, and then they can jump in and go 'we're ready to go'.
All they need is a financing plan that has no tax increases and federal funding for the clean up.
And finally, in a "we're only kidding but you know, we might be on to something here if it wasn't totally ludicrous" kind of way, state senator Sen Roger Reinert, DFL-Duluth, is suggesting that the Vikings build there stadium in...wait for it...WAIT FOR IT...Duluth.
Now Reinert realizes this has about a 0.000000000000001% chance of becoming reality, but at least there's somebody doing something to try and get a stadium built somewhere.
There's still no done deal, and I don't think there's any assurances at all that this will be done anytime soon, but that's where we sit right now.
Put on your seat belt, because it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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Duluth, build it on an elevator to let ships thru, it could be tourisms greatest idea
by Lunchpail on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yikes... the only carrier hotel in the state of MN
It would be wise for them to have 2 of them for redundancy in case it goes down. Sounds like a complicated can of worms than a real clean up of the TCAAP site.
Vikings in 2012 will be a Wonder-ful year. Seriously!!
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by VikesFanSince1967 on Feb 9, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions
The internet itself is all about redundancy.
Was made for Nuclear war that way if large sections got taken out you could still route through alternate locations. Now I don’t know if they’ve modified the back bone since I was looking around but that was the basis for the design.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
I thought the latest
Was adjacent but not including 511? Not sure where I got that though.
I could be wrong
but I thought the only parcel of land that was large enough and usable was the one that had the 511 building on it.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
so only one season @ TCF in 2015...
…but the $11mil in renovations would still have to be applied, yes??
(enter circus music)
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Feb 9, 2012 10:35 PM CST via Android app reply actions
February 15th is fast approaching
Wilf needs to decide where the team will be playing by then per league rules. He will keep playing in the dome if a deal is imminent. There is hope, a group of business and labor leaders got behind the stadium push. This is the same group that helped the dome and target field bills pass.
"none of us is a fan of the team" - Judd Zulgad (also fabricated the "schism" reports of 09')
They will sign a one-year deal to play in the dome.
Which could actually encourage some legislators that would love to put this off until after the November elections.
Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow.
by Lars in SLP on Feb 10, 2012 6:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Give the commissioner's comments
I don’t think there is any chance of a move before next season.
I agree
Minnesota plays 2012 in the Metrodome, but if something isn’t done this year, I bet Wilf sells the franchise to somebody who won’t think twice about moving the franchise.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." Ohio State Coach Urban Meyer.
It sure doesn't sound like the league has any interest in the Vikes moving
But yeah, that’s the question for Zygi. Is he going to get a stadium next year, and if so, is that worth sticking around another year?
I kind of think if he thinks a stadium is coming, it is worth it to stick around. Don’t you? I mean, the team gets instantly more valuable once there is a stadium deal, and it’s not like he’s losing money on them.
Yippee
I just want it to be over….
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear." -Mark Twain
by Landonio on Feb 10, 2012 12:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Fat girl at last call.
You could not have chosen a metaphor more apt, Ted. I don’t care who the hell it is anymore—let’s just got home with someone.
Sometimes it's better to just go home and play some XBox...
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
But MPLS plan needs new taxes & fees; still $25mil short.
A $25 per gameday parking fee; new restaurant & booze tax to be implemented when the current ones sunset; and they are STILL $55 million short. According to this story in the Pioneer Press:
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_19933229
One way or another, whether in Arden Hills or Minneapolis or Duluth, if the legislature wants a “local partner” to contribute financially — they will have to allow said local partner to obtain the cash flow to do so.
DUH!
by Lars in SLP on Feb 10, 2012 6:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Oh by the way, they will add a new tax on... Football Tickets!
Genius, isn’t it? Tell the team they have to pay more toward a Mpls stadium than AH, then add a tax to one of the team’s main revenue streams — essentially increasing the team’s contribution even further.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghh……..
by Lars in SLP on Feb 10, 2012 6:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hrm I'm doubting with TV tickets are still the main revenue stream
I mean the sure might be, but those TV contracts seem pretty crazy to me.
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
So I have a question
If they do this and then tear down the old dome does that mean they can put some parking out there for tailgating?
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
DULUTH! YES!!!!
how ’bout on top of the hill at the old central school site?
that’s only 25 minutes from my parents. or how ’bout partnering with the Fon-Du-Lac tribe and put it out by the Black Bear Casino?
I applaud your excitement
But you know there is zero chance of a move to Duluth, right?
Bring back the Duluth Eskimos!
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The city did just restructure their school districts to make that land available...
I can only dream.
"If the scheme doesn’t fit your players, change your damn scheme."
by Vikingsfan17 on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions

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