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Combine 101

Combine time, so I saw this post on another site regarding the different tests and how it effects players. The poster did a very good job!

The post with comments I added:

While some criticize it as a mere platform for "workout wonders," the Scouting Combine will have a significant impact on the draft status of many prospects. Some will rise from obscurity, while others will develop significant "red flags."

Here is my list of the players who stand the most to gain and lose from the Combine drills and tests:

40 Yard Dash: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Evans is the concensus No. 2 WR at this stage, behind Sammy Watkins. He is viewed as a receivers with excellent size and college production, and a potential mismatch against smaller DBs. The big question is whether he has "separation speed." I'd say that he needs to run under a 4.60 to maintain his draft spot. If he breaks 4.50, he might become a Top 10 pick. (Others: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska; Tre Mason, RB, Auburn; Kelvin Benjamin, WR, FSU)

Added: Is it a football skill test or a money making test lol. That being said, a good 40 time is more essential for example for short WRs compared to big WRs. 40 time is a gauge. WR/Return Specialist - Odell Beckham 5'11" 198lbs LSU - is estimated to have a 4.49/40, and he's very quick, but a good 40 time in the 4.40-4.45 range will solidify his standing as being a first round pick for some (many scouts have him there for sure). He's already a first rounder in my eyes, his mate WR Jarvis Landry has similar size and 40 time, but they are different type receivers; Beckham's game is built on quickness, and improved speed will help elevate his ranking. Regardless I bet his mom could beat any of you reading this. WR - Donte Moncrief 6'2" 226lbs Mississippi - his 40 time is the bigger question as he's not a possession type receiver. A sub 4.45 time could help him sneak into the first round.

Bench Press (225lbs Reps): Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

Donald has everything you'd want in a gap-shooting DT, with the possible exception of weight. He is currently listed at 288, which is low for an NFL DT. While his weigh-in will be important (I think teams would be more comfortable if he were to gain 2 pounds and weigh in at 290), I think that a better way to eliminate doubt would be a good showing on the bench. (Others: Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State; Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M)

Added: It's not reps at 225lbs, but in August of 2012 Donald could bench press 450lbs, while hoping to get to 470 by the end of the year; with a goal of getting to 500. DT Geno Atkins was one of the strongest DTs coming out of college recording 36 reps at 225lbs at the combine I think. Now Atkins can bench anywhere from 500 - 550lbs. I think Donald will do fine. I'm more interested in his 10 yard split, and curious about his 40 time. I'm a big time fan of Donald, he will be a star in the NFL eventually. I would have no problem drafting him, telling DT Floyd to bulk up and gain strength, and getting a backup big run-stuffing NT to rotate as needed.

Three-Cone Test: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

For a LB to be worth an early first round pick, you'd want to see the ability to play all three downs. This means that, even for a pass rushing OLB, coverage ability is important. The same is true for strong safeties. The three cone drill really tests change of direction and lateral movement, which are important for players who line up "in the box," but have to play "uphill" at times in coverage. (Others: Khlil Mack, OLB, Buffalo; Deone Buchannon, S, Washington State)

Added: 3 cone is key indicator for a lot of positions in terms of athletic ability, and is a better indicator of pure football speed than the 40 or the 20yd shuttle. It measures shiftiness and ability to cut on a dime so to speak. It is possibley the biggest test for CBs. I really like this test. CB Robinson (6.55 best of DBs) and DB Blanton (6.71)had good times. One of the best 3cones for a DT was J.J. Watt at 6.88. I'll be interested in DT Hageman's time here, he seems like he will do very well across the board for DTs testing, so I'll keep an eye out for him on this test. I think DL Tuitt will need to show a good time here.

20 Yard Shuttle: Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

This test focuses on the ability to move quickly in short spaces. It is important for many positions, including OT, RB and DT. Robinson is a mauler. Nobody doubts his ability to plow ahead and overwhelm defenders. If he can show that he is nimble as well, that would bode well for him as a pass blocking prospect. (Others: Cyrus Kuoandjio, OT, Alabama; Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame)

Added: One article mentioned this for this skill test - defenders in particular need to have good shuttle times because they are the ones that have to react to the movement of the offensive player. It measures change of direction ability too, and acceleration. QB Ponder had the top time for QB when he tested. I'm curious to see DE Clowney's since he is tall though very athletic and fast. Keep an eye on the top OG's time to compare: OG Sua-Filo, OG Yankey, OG Martin, OG Jackson, OG Richardson, OG Thomas, OG Watt; Vikings may very well draft one of these players.

60 Yard Shuttle: Marquise Lee, WR, USC

This is a real test of "football speed," involving straight line bursts, stopping and starting, and changing direction. A player like Lee, who does not have overwhelming size and, while fast, is not going to set a Combine record in the 40, can gain a lot in this drill, as it involves the same type of skills that make a WR a good route runner. Important for DBs as well. (Others: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt; Hasean Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama; Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigane State)

Added: Which DE will come out on top too? Let's see how DE Sams, DE Gayle, DE Marsh, DE Clarke, DE Mauro, DE InsertYourFaveMidRoundPickHere. The Vikings may take a DE in the 3rd day of the draft. Who are DEs after they sign a UFA? Robison and Griffen/Johnson/Hardy; nobody else of note yet as backup. CB Verner (i'm not gonna try and spell his first name) had the 2nd best time at 11.06 coming out, while AJ Jefferson lead with a 11.04 time.

Vertical Jump: Lamarcus Joyner, DB, FSU

If you are a short WR or DB, you need to have "ups" to compete with the bigger players on the opposing side. Joyner, who is listed at 5'8, has everything you want in a DB except height. He'll need to show he can compete with the big WRs and TEs he'll have to cover. (Others: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU; Odell Beckham, Jr., WR, LSU)

Added: 2 more inches and he would be a hands-down first round pick for me and others; heck 1 more inch would seal the deal for me in the 20s (as long as his 40/20shuttle/3cone check out well as expected). One of my favorite players in the entire draft the past few years. He will still be a good one for sure; i'm hoping the Vikes draft him as a nickel CB and safety (he may start at CB or S down the line, but teams play the nickel a lot, especially in the nfc north). Other guys to watch: well I'm just curious what DE Clowney will jump as well as DT McCullers for that matter, WR Ellington and WR Herron, LS Marcus Heit j/k. Anyways the vertical also measures some explosiveness; and bas been described as one's get-up-and-go or how one uses the horsepower in their own body.

Weight: Tre Mason, RB, Auburn

There is an ideal height range for each position. A player who is too heavy or too light, will be questioned. Mason is listed at 205 lbs. That's borderline for a an "every down" RB in the NFL. If he comes in at 210, the scouts will be encouraged. If he comes in at 200, it could push him down the ranks. (Others: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor; Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh; Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M) Another Poster Added: Telvin Smith OLB FSU - He only weighed in at 218 at the Senior Bowl. He wants to stay at LB but that isn't going to work at that weight. He'll need to put on some weight (and prove he can carry that weight).

Added: Mason measured 207lbs; not high on him anyways. DT Sutton's weight should be interesting since he added weight at over 300 for his sr. year and it seemed to hurt his plays, same with DL Tuitt. If DT Donald can get to 300 and still maintain his quickness, it should help him even more.

Height: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

Despite the success of Drew Brees and Russell Wilson, I still believe that QBs who are 6'0 and under are viewed as question marks. Manziel is listed at 6'0-6'1 (depending on the source). If he comes in at 5'10, I believe that there are teams that will shy away from him. (Others: Marquise Lee, WR, USC; Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State; Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson)

Added: Manziel measured at 5'11 3/4". ILB Borland doesn't want to go below 5'11", he measured at 5'11" at the SR Bowl. For some teams this is a concern.

Interview: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

I have little doubt that Clowney will test well as an athlete. However, there are going to be question marks regarding his drive and commitment after a sub-par Junior campaign. If he is able to convince teams that he loves the game of football and wants to work hard at his craft, he'll be a Top 3 pick. If not, he could tumble a bit. (Others: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M; Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M; Rashede Hagerman, DT, Minnesota). Another Poster Added: Johnny Manziel - There are questions about maturity. There are questions about arrests. There are questions about him taking money. Their are questions about how he'll handle the millions he's about to get.

Added: All the red flag guys, ie. top rated RBs Hyde and Carey. QBs will be very very important for me, as well as during the personal team interviews after the Combine. I think character research, talking to coaches and journalists that covered the college team closely, watching many interviews, reading interviews, watching any video on them (not of playing in a game), in-depth investigation of all the top 150 - 180 players is all essential in my book. I wonder if the cost of hiring people to do this equates to same price as 3rd round pick one year? Anyways, it's an important area that fans take for granted. Some of my favorite interviewees this year and past years are DB Joyner and LB Smith of FSU. Together they are great, I especially like Joyner when he interviews and talks to the media. Watching him on film tells me he's a player in the NFL no doubt, but watching his interviews (several) tells me he's gonna be a very good player in the mold of DBs Winfield, Mathieu, Jim Leonhard, Bob Sanders.


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